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     Lesceline de Subligny Dame du Grippon married Fulk I Paynell Hambye and Bréhal, Normandy and Drax, Yorkshire, son of Guillaume Paynel lord de West Rasen et Drax, seigneur des Moûtiers-Hubert et Hambye and NN d'Avranches.¹

Lesceline de Subligny Dame du Grippon died circa 1198; Med Lands says d. 1198 or after.¹
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "FULK [I] Paynell of Hambye and Bréhal, Nor mandy and Drax, Yorkshire, son of WILLIAM Paynell de Moûtiers-Hubert & his wife [--- d’Avranches] (-1182). "Villelmus Paganellus" founded the abbey of Hambie, with the consent of "filiorum meorum Hugonis et Fulconis, et Thomæ et Ioannis", by undated charter, dated to [1145][151]. “Fulco Paganellus” confirmed properties of Drax priory, Yorkshire, with the consent of “Lecellinæ uxoris meæ”, by undated charter[152]. "…Folqueio Painel…" confirmed the charter dated to [1180/82] under which Henry II King of England confirmed a donation to the abbey of Hambie by "Philippus de Columbariis"[153]. The Red Book of the Exchequer, listing scutage payments in [1190/91], records "feoda Fulkonis Paingnel" paying "xx s…ii milites" in Yorkshire[154].
     "m LESCELINE de Subligny Dame du Grippon, daughter of HASCULF de Subligny & his wife Denise d’Avranches (-1198 or after). "Guillelmus…episcopus" confirmed donations to the abbey of Hambie made by "Lescelina de Subligny uxor Fulconis Paganelli", by undated charter, dated to [1145][155]. Her parents are named in the Complete Peerage, but the primary source on which the information is based has not yet been identified[156]."
Med Lands cites:

; Per Wikipédia (Fr.): "Foulques (I) († 1182/83), seigneur de Hambye et lord de Drax, (x1) Lesceline de Subligny, fille d'Harcoul, seigneur d'Avranches”.²

; x.¹

     Guillaume Paynel lord de West Rasen et Drax, seigneur des Moûtiers-Hubert et Hambye married NN d'Avranches, daughter of William Fitz Wimund d'Avranches.^4,3

Guillaume Paynel lord de West Rasen et Drax, seigneur des Moûtiers-Hubert et Hambye died after 1145.^2,3
     GAV-26. Guillaume Paynel lord de West Rasen et Drax, seigneur des Moûtiers-Hubert et Hambye was also known as William Paynell de Moûtiers-Hubert.^4,2

; Per Med Lands:
     "[WILLIAM Paynell of Moûtiers-Hubert (-after [1145]). Ellis names "William Paynel of Moûtiers-Hubert and Fulk Paynel of Dudley" as the sons of William Paynell Seigneur de Moûtiers-Hubert, without citing the primary sources on which he bases his supposition[76]. On the other hand, Domesday Descendants amalgamates this William Paynell of Moûtiers-Hubert with William Paynell of Drax (see below), stating that the daughter of William FitzWimund was his first wife, while Avice de Rumilly was his second wife[77]. More work is needed on the precise pattern of inheritance of the different properties held by the Paynell family before it can be assessed which version may be correct. "Villelmus Paganellus" founded the abbey of Hambie, with the consent of "filiorum meorum Hugonis et Fulconis, et Thomæ et Ioannis", by undated charter, dated to [1145][78].]
     "m [--- d’Avranches, daughter of WILLIAM FitzWimund d’Avranches & his wife ---. Her parentage and marriage are shown in the Complete Peerage, presumably because her supposed brother Robert d’Avranches is described as avunculus of her son Fulk Paynell[79], but the primary source on which this is based has not yet been identified.]"
Med Lands cites:

; Per Med Lands:
     "[daughter . Her parentage and marriage are shown in the Complete Peerage, presumably because her supposed brother Robert d’Avranches is described as avunculus of her son Fulk Paynell[148], but the primary source on which this is based has not yet been identified.
     "m WILLIAM Paynell of Moûtiers-Hubert, son of [WILLIAM Paynell of Moûtiers-Hubert and Hambye & his wife ---] (-after [1145]).]"
Med Lands cites:

     NN d'Avranches married Guillaume Paynel lord de West Rasen et Drax, seigneur des Moûtiers-Hubert et Hambye, son of William Paynell de Moûtiers-Hubert (Normandy), Drax and Hooton (Yorkshire).^1,2

      ; Per Med Lands:
     "[WILLIAM Paynell of Moûtiers-Hubert (-after [1145]). Ellis names "William Paynel of Moûtiers-Hubert and Fulk Paynel of Dudley" as the sons of William Paynell Seigneur de Moûtiers-Hubert, without citing the primary sources on which he bases his supposition[76]. On the other hand, Domesday Descendants amalgamates this William Paynell of Moûtiers-Hubert with William Paynell of Drax (see below), stating that the daughter of William FitzWimund was his first wife, while Avice de Rumilly was his second wife[77]. More work is needed on the precise pattern of inheritance of the different properties held by the Paynell family before it can be assessed which version may be correct. "Villelmus Paganellus" founded the abbey of Hambie, with the consent of "filiorum meorum Hugonis et Fulconis, et Thomæ et Ioannis", by undated charter, dated to [1145][78].]
     "m [--- d’Avranches, daughter of WILLIAM FitzWimund d’Avranches & his wife ---. Her parentage and marriage are shown in the Complete Peerage, presumably because her supposed brother Robert d’Avranches is described as avunculus of her son Fulk Paynell[79], but the primary source on which this is based has not yet been identified.]"
Med Lands cites:

; Per Med Lands:
     "[daughter . Her parentage and marriage are shown in the Complete Peerage, presumably because her supposed brother Robert d’Avranches is described as avunculus of her son Fulk Paynell[148], but the primary source on which this is based has not yet been identified.
     "m WILLIAM Paynell of Moûtiers-Hubert, son of [WILLIAM Paynell of Moûtiers-Hubert and Hambye & his wife ---] (-after [1145]).]"
Med Lands cites:

     Cecile Taisson married Fulk II Paynell, son of Fulk I Paynell Hambye and Bréhal, Normandy and Drax, Yorkshire,
;
His 1st wife.¹
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "FULK [II] Paynell (-after 25 Jun 1215). “Fulcodius Paganellus” donated property to Tykford Priory by undated charter, witnessed by “Gervasius Paganellus et uxor eius comitissa Isabella et Robertus Paganellus eorum filius, et Willielmus Paganellus prædicti Fulcodii frater…”[159]. “Gervasius Paganellus” donated property to Tykford Priory, with the consent of “uxoris meæ Isabellæ comitissæ de Norhamton”, by charter dated 1187 which names “Fulcodius Paganellus avus meus et Radulfus Paganellus pater meus”, witnessed by “Simone comite Northamptoniæ, Isabella comitissa matre eius…Fulcone Paganello, Wilielmo fratre eius…Wilielmo Paganello et Bernardo filio eius…”[160]. King John pardoned "Fulcon Painell" and agreed the marriage between "filium eius Willelmum" and "filia Radi Teysum primogenitam" by charter dated 25 Jun 1215[161].
     "m firstly CECILE Taisson, daughter of JOURDAIN Taisson & his wife Leticie ---. "Letitia de Sancto Salvatore, qui fui uxor Jordani Tesson" donated property to the abbey of Hambie, witnessed by "Jordano Tesson filio meo, Roberto de Monte acuto milite, Letitia filia mea uxore Fulconis Paganelli"[162].
     "m secondly (after Jun 1187) as her second husband, AGATHA du Hommet, widow of GUILLAUME de Fougères, daughter of [RICHARD du Hommet & his wife Agnes de Say]. Her first marriage and parentage are confirmed by the Chronicon Savigniacensis Monasterii which records the death "XVIII Kal Jul" in 1212 of "Gaufridus dominus Filgeriarum, filius Willelmi et Agathæ, filiæ Willelmi de Humeto"[163]. The primary source which confirms that Richard was her father has not yet been identified, but from a chronological point of view this appears likely to be correct. Her second marriage is indicated by the charter dated Mar [1230/31] under which “Fulco Paganelli” gave security to Louis IX King of France on behalf of “Radulpho de Filgeriis nepoti meo” relating to “terram suam in Normannia”[164].
     "Fulk [II] & his second wife had five children:
Med Lands cites:

; Per Med Lands:
     "CECILE Taisson . "Letitia de Sancto Salvatore, qui fui uxor Jordani Tesson" donated property to the abbey of Hambie, witnessed by "Jordano Tesson filio meo, Roberto de Monte acuto milite, Letitia filia mea uxore Fulconis Paganelli"[1086].
     "m as his first wife, FULK [II] Paynell, son of FULK [I] Paynell de Hambye & his wife Lesceline de Subligny (-after 25 Jun 1215)."
Med Lands cites:

     Lucie Paynell married Andre II de Vitre Sire de Vitré, son of Robert III de Vitre Sire de Vitré and Emma de Dinan,
;
His 3rd wife.¹
      ; Per Med Lands:
     " LUCIE Paynell . Le Baud records that André married fourthly “Luce fille de Monseigneur Foulques surnommé Paynel Seigneur de Hambie”[166]. “Dominus Fulco Paaignel, attornatus loco domine Lucie filie sue uxoris Andree de Vitreio” claimed “terciam partem hereditagii viri sui in dotem in Normannia quam in Brittania” from “domino Aelardo de Briton[aria]”, guardian of “filium antenatum eiusdem Andree”, dated to 1211[167]. "Foulques Paynel, frère de Luce Paynel, veuve d´André II de Vitré" demanded the return of the dowry of his sister, by charter dated [29 Sep] 1211[168].
     "m as his [third/fourth] wife, ANDRE [I] Seigneur de Vitré, son of ROBERT Seigneur de Vitré & his wife Emma de Dinan (before 1155-9 Jun 1210)."
Med Lands cites:

     GAV-26.

; Per Med Lands. "[--- du Hommet . His/her parentage is confirmed by the charter dated 1239 cited below. m ---. Name not known.]"¹

     GAV-27.

; Per Med Lands:
     "ROBERT du Hommet . Stapleton records a charter dated 1239 under which “William du Hommet, Constable of Normandy filius Ricardi de Humeto junioris” confirmed privileges of the priory of Saint-Fromond stating that it was founded during the time of Richard II[ Duke of Normandy (so before 1026) by “Robertus de Humeto” who was succeeded by his grandson and heir “William du Hommet”[734].
     "m ---. The name of Robert’s wife is not known.]"
Med Lands cites:

      ; NB: There is a disagreement regarding the lineage of the English side of the Paynel family between the "Paynel family" article in and the lineage as laid out in Med Lands.


     I. ODNB says that a Ralph Paynel (d. bef 1124) was the 1st English representative of the family, and gives no origin for Ralph. It assigns Ralph two possible wives, m1 NN de Lacy and m2 Maud de Surdeval. Ralph's heir was his son William (d. 1145x7). Per ODNB:
I.0. Unnamed ancestor
I.1. Ralph (d. bef 1124), m1 NN de Lacy, m2 Maud de Surdeval; he had a son:
-----> I.1.1 William (d. 1145x7), m1 NN d'Avranches, and had four sons and one dau.:
-----> I.1.2.1 Hugh I (d. c a 1179)
-----> I.1.2.2 Fulk I (d. 1182/3), m. Lesceline de Grippon or de Subligny
-----> I.1.2.3
-----> I.1.2.4 (not named)
-----> I.1.2.5 (not named)
          m2 Avice de Rumillly (d. ca 1176), and had one dau.:
-----> I.1.2.5 Alice


     II. Med Lands says that the early English Ralph was brother of another William (d. 1087), who was the father of the William (the heir, d. aft 1145). Thus, Ralph was the uncle, not father, of the William (the heir, d. aft 1145). Per Med Lands:
II.0. NN Paynel, he had two sons:
-----> II.1. William (d1087), had a son:
----------> II.1.1. William (d aft 1145) m. NN d'Avranches; he had two sons:
---------------> II.1.1.1. Hugh (d 1180 or bef) m. Nicole NN
---------------> II.1.1.2 Fulk I (d 1182), m. Lesceline de Subligny
-----> II.2. Ralph (d. aft 1088), m1 NN, m2 Maud de Surdeval; he had a son
----------> II.2.1 William (d aft 1147), m. Avice de Rumilly
Conclusion: The differences between ODNB and Med Lands are more complicated than this simple presentation (in assignments of children, names of spouses, etc.) It is tempting to read into this that Med Lands has confused two Williams (II.1.1 and II.2.1); but there is no proof of that. Perhaps the common father for William II.1 and Ralph II.2 is mythical or perhaps William II.1 was in fact the of William II.1.1 and Ralph II.2. For the moment this is just speculation on my part, and I have chosen to follow the more complicated Med Lands lineage, though I continue to study the issue. GA Vaut.^2,1,3 GAV-27.

; Per Med Lands: "The early generations of this family have been reconstructed from secondary sources, which appear reliable but do not cite the corresponding primary sources. The individuals are shown below in square brackets. The result appears convincing, but should not be taken as the final answer."
"[Two] brothers:

     William Paynell de Moûtiers-Hubert (Normandy), Drax and Hooton (Yorkshire) died in 1087.¹
     ; Per Med Lands: "The early generations of this family have been reconstructed from secondary sources, which appear reliable but do not cite the corresponding primary sources. The individuals are shown below in square brackets. The result appears convincing, but should not be taken as the final answer."
"[Two] brothers:
; NB: There is a disagreement regarding the lineage of the English side of the Paynel family between the "Paynel family" article in and the lineage as laid out in Med Lands.


     I. ODNB says that a Ralph Paynel (d. bef 1124) was the 1st English representative of the family, and gives no origin for Ralph. It assigns Ralph two possible wives, m1 NN de Lacy and m2 Maud de Surdeval. Ralph's heir was his son William (d. 1145x7). Per ODNB:
I.0. Unnamed ancestor
I.1. Ralph (d. bef 1124), m1 NN de Lacy, m2 Maud de Surdeval; he had a son:
-----> I.1.1 William (d. 1145x7), m1 NN d'Avranches, and had four sons and one dau.:
-----> I.1.2.1 Hugh I (d. c a 1179)
-----> I.1.2.2 Fulk I (d. 1182/3), m. Lesceline de Grippon or de Subligny
-----> I.1.2.3
-----> I.1.2.4 (not named)
-----> I.1.2.5 (not named)
          m2 Avice de Rumillly (d. ca 1176), and had one dau.:
-----> I.1.2.5 Alice


     II. Med Lands says that the early English Ralph was brother of another William (d. 1087), who was the father of the William (the heir, d. aft 1145). Thus, Ralph was the uncle, not father, of the William (the heir, d. aft 1145). Per Med Lands:
II.0. NN Paynel, he had two sons:
-----> II.1. William (d1087), had a son:
----------> II.1.1. William (d aft 1145) m. NN d'Avranches; he had two sons:
---------------> II.1.1.1. Hugh (d 1180 or bef) m. Nicole NN
---------------> II.1.1.2 Fulk I (d 1182), m. Lesceline de Subligny
-----> II.2. Ralph (d. aft 1088), m1 NN, m2 Maud de Surdeval; he had a son
----------> II.2.1 William (d aft 1147), m. Avice de Rumilly
Conclusion: The differences between ODNB and Med Lands are more complicated than this simple presentation (in assignments of children, names of spouses, etc.) It is tempting to read into this that Med Lands has confused two Williams (II.1.1 and II.2.1); but there is no proof of that. Perhaps the common father for William II.1 and Ralph II.2 is mythical or perhaps William II.1 was in fact the of William II.1.1 and Ralph II.2. For the moment this is just speculation on my part, and I have chosen to follow the more complicated Med Lands lineage, though I continue to study the issue. GA Vaut.^2,1,3 GAV-27.

; Per Med Lands:
     "[WILLIAM Paynell (-[1087]). Ellis says that "it is all but certain that [Ralph Paynel] was a younger son of the seigneur of Moûtiers-Hubert near Lisieux, and had been with his elder brother William at the battle of Hastings", adding that "William returned to Normandy"[73]. He appears to base this on the Chronique de Normandie, based on le Roman de Rou, which names "Paomiel [which Ellis transcribes as "Painals"] de Moustier-Hubert" among those who took part in the conquest of England in 1066[74], but he cites no source which names William. Orderic Vitalis records the death of “Guillelmus Paganellus”, dated to 1087 from the context[75].]
     "m ---. The name of William’s wife is not known."
Med Lands cites:

     William Fitz Wimund d'Avranches died in 1087.¹
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "WILLIAM FitzWimund d'Avranches (-[1087]). Orderic Vitalis records the death of “Guillelmus de Abrincis filius Witmundi”, dated to 1087 from the context[133]. m ---"
Med Lands cites:

     William Paynell married Juliana de Bampton, daughter of Robert de Bampton and Emma (?),
;
Her 1st husband.¹
William Paynell died before 1166.¹
      ; Per Med Lands:
     " WILLIAM Paynell (-before 1166).
     "m as her first husband, JULIANA de Bampton, daughter of ROBERT de Bampton & his wife Emma ---. “Fulcodius Paganellus de Bahantune” donated property to Tykford Priory, for the souls of “patris mei Willielmi Paganelli et matris meæ Julianæ de Bahantune…”, by undated charter[176]. Domesday Descendants records that Juliana married secondly (before 1166) Warin de Aula[177]."
Med Lands cites:

     Robert de Bampton married Emma (?)¹

     Emma (?) married Robert de Bampton.¹

     Warin de Aula married Juliana de Bampton, daughter of Robert de Bampton and Emma (?), before 1166
;
Her 2nd husband.¹

     Aude (?) married Fulk Paynel of Bampton, Devonshire, son of William Paynell and Juliana de Bampton.¹

      ; x.¹

     Gosbert II "Rufus" de la Ferté married Lucie de Beaune, daughter of Thibaut de Beaune Vicomte de Dijon and NN de Dijon.³

Gosbert II "Rufus" de la Ferté died between 1118 and 1125.¹
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "[GOSBERT [II] “Rufus” (-[1118/25], bur Clairvaux). "...Raynerii de Castellione...Josberti Rufi..." subscribed the charter dated Spring 1101 under which Eudes I Duke of Burgundy renounced rights in favour of Saint-Bénigne de Dijon[473]. Their names appearing together in this subscription list suggest a close family relationship, especially considering that the son of Renier de Châtillon was also called Gosbert (see above). Maybe Renier and Gosbert [II] were brothers. Sénéchal de Champagne. "Josbertus Rufus" donated property to Clairvaux by undated charter, dated to before 1126, witnessed by "Lucia uxor Josberti…Josbertus filius Josberti…Gertrudis uxor ipsius Josberti junioris"[474].]
     "m LUCIE de Beaune, daughter of THIBAUT de Beaune Vicomte de Dijon & his wife --- de Dijon. A charter dated to [1092/1101] recites the past history of property whose possession was later challenged, naming as previous possessors "Vuido cognomina Dives qui habuit filium Vualterium", the daughter of Gauthier who married "Tetbaldus de Belno vicecomes Divionensis" and the latter couple's daughter who married "Josbertus de Castellione"[475]. "Josbertus Rufus" donated property to Clairvaux by undated charter, dated to before 1126, witnessed by "Lucia uxor Josberti…Josbertus filius Josberti…Gertrudis uxor ipsius Josberti junioris"[476]."
Med Lands cites:

; Per Med Lands:
     "LUCIE de Beaune . A charter dated to [1092/1101] recites the past history of property whose possession was later challenged, naming as previous possessors "Vuido cognomina Dives qui habuit filium Vualterium", the daughter of Gauthier who married "Tetbaldus de Belno vicecomes Divionensis" and the latter couple's daughter who married "Josbertus de Castellione"[31]. "Josbertus Rufus" donated property to Clairvaux by undated charter, dated to before 1126, witnessed by "Lucia uxor Josberti…Josbertus filius Josberti…Gertrudis uxor ipsius Josberti junioris"[32]. "Josbertus Rufus" donated property to Clairvaux by undated charter, dated to before 1126, witnessed by "Lucia uxor Josberti…Josbertus filius Josberti…Gertrudis uxor ipsius Josberti junioris"[33].
     "m GOSBERT [II] “Rufus”, son of --- (-[1118/25], bur Clairvaux)."
Med Lands cites:

     Lucie de Beaune married Gosbert II "Rufus" de la Ferté, son of NN de Châtillon.¹

      ; Per Med Lands:
     "[GOSBERT [II] “Rufus” (-[1118/25], bur Clairvaux). "...Raynerii de Castellione...Josberti Rufi..." subscribed the charter dated Spring 1101 under which Eudes I Duke of Burgundy renounced rights in favour of Saint-Bénigne de Dijon[473]. Their names appearing together in this subscription list suggest a close family relationship, especially considering that the son of Renier de Châtillon was also called Gosbert (see above). Maybe Renier and Gosbert [II] were brothers. Sénéchal de Champagne. "Josbertus Rufus" donated property to Clairvaux by undated charter, dated to before 1126, witnessed by "Lucia uxor Josberti…Josbertus filius Josberti…Gertrudis uxor ipsius Josberti junioris"[474].]
     "m LUCIE de Beaune, daughter of THIBAUT de Beaune Vicomte de Dijon & his wife --- de Dijon. A charter dated to [1092/1101] recites the past history of property whose possession was later challenged, naming as previous possessors "Vuido cognomina Dives qui habuit filium Vualterium", the daughter of Gauthier who married "Tetbaldus de Belno vicecomes Divionensis" and the latter couple's daughter who married "Josbertus de Castellione"[475]. "Josbertus Rufus" donated property to Clairvaux by undated charter, dated to before 1126, witnessed by "Lucia uxor Josberti…Josbertus filius Josberti…Gertrudis uxor ipsius Josberti junioris"[476]."
Med Lands cites:

; Per Med Lands:
     "LUCIE de Beaune . A charter dated to [1092/1101] recites the past history of property whose possession was later challenged, naming as previous possessors "Vuido cognomina Dives qui habuit filium Vualterium", the daughter of Gauthier who married "Tetbaldus de Belno vicecomes Divionensis" and the latter couple's daughter who married "Josbertus de Castellione"[31]. "Josbertus Rufus" donated property to Clairvaux by undated charter, dated to before 1126, witnessed by "Lucia uxor Josberti…Josbertus filius Josberti…Gertrudis uxor ipsius Josberti junioris"[32]. "Josbertus Rufus" donated property to Clairvaux by undated charter, dated to before 1126, witnessed by "Lucia uxor Josberti…Josbertus filius Josberti…Gertrudis uxor ipsius Josberti junioris"[33].
     "m GOSBERT [II] “Rufus”, son of --- (-[1118/25], bur Clairvaux)."
Med Lands cites:

     NN de Dijon married Thibaut de Beaune Vicomte de Dijon.^1,2

      ; Per Med Lands:
     "THIBAUT de Beaune . Vicomte de Dijon. He is named in the charter dated to [1092/1101] quoted below. The chronology of his wife’s family suggests that Thibaut was active in the mid- to late-11th century but no source has been found which provides any precise dates.
     "m --- de Dijon, daughter of GAUTHIER Vicomte de Dijon & his wife ---. A charter dated to [1092/1101] recites the past history of property whose possession was later challenged, naming as previous possessors "Vuido cognomina Dives qui habuit filium Vualterium", the daughter of Gauthier who married "Tetbaldus de Belno vicecomes Divionensis" and the latter couple's daughter who married "Josbertus de Castellione"[30]. "
Med Lands cites:

; Per Med Lands:
     "daughter . A charter dated to [1092/1101] recites the past history of property whose possession was later challenged, naming as previous possessors "Vuido cognomina Dives qui habuit filium Vualterium", the daughter of Gauthier who married "Tetbaldus de Belno vicecomes Divionensis" and the latter couple's daughter who married "Josbertus de Castellione"[80].
     "m THIBAUT de Beaune, son of ---. Vicomte de Dijon."
Med Lands cites:

     Gauthier de Dijon Vicomte de Dijon died after 1 March 1043.¹
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "GAUTHIER (-after 1 Mar 1043). "Robertus…dux et rector inferioris Burgundiæ" donated property to Saint-Bénigne-de-Dijon by charter dated 1 Mar 1043 subscribed by "Vuidonis militis Divionensis, Vualterii vicecomitis filii predicti Vuidonis, Vuilenci fratris Vualterii"[78]. Vicomte de Dijon. A charter dated to [1092/1101] recites the past history of property whose possession was later challenged, naming as previous possessors "Vuido cognomina Dives qui habuit filium Vualterium", the daughter of Gauthier who married "Tetbaldus de Belno vicecomes Divionensis" and the latter couple's daughter who married "Josbertus de Castellione"[79].
     "m ---. The name of Gauthier's wife is not known."
Med Lands cites:

     Guy Dives de Dijon died after 1 March 1043.¹
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "GUY Dives (-after 1 Mar 1043). "Robertus…dux et rector inferioris Burgundiæ" donated property to Saint-Bénigne-de-Dijon by charter dated 1 Mar 1043 subscribed by "Vuidonis militis Divionensis, Vualterii vicecomitis filii predicti Vuidonis, Vuilenci fratris Vualterii"[76]. A charter dated to [1155] records the life of "Garnerio…præposito" of Saint-Etienne de Dijon, and previous donations to the abbey including those by "dominus Humbertus de Malleio et…uxor eius Anna…secum suo consanguineo Guidone agnominato Divite, Divinionensi vicecomite" during the reign of Henri I King of France, by "Guido Dives miles de quo supra diximus", "mater…eius Anna"[77].
     "m ---. The name of Guy's wife is not known."
Med Lands cites:

      ; Per Med Lands:
     "Châtillon, now Châtillon-sur-Seine, is located about 40 kilometres due west of Langres, in the present-day French département of Côte-d’Or, arrondissement Montbard, canton Châtillon-sur-Seine. In early medieval times, the town was located in the pagus Latiscensis, in the area which later developed into the county of Bar-sur-Seine. The nickname “Rufus”, first applied to Gosbert [I] de Châtillon in the mid-11th century presumably because of his red hair or complexion, was also used by some later members of this family. It is unclear whether this was because they shared the same inherited hair or complexion colouring or whether the name had evolved into a family tradition. The bishops of Langres were suzerains of Châtillon in the early 12th century: Pope Pascal II confirmed the possession of numerous castles to the bishop of Langres, including “...castrum Castellionense...”, by bull dated [1105][464].
[Two probable brothers:]
     1. RENIER de Châtillon (-after 1101).
2. [GOSBERT [II] “Rufus” (-[1118/25], bur Clairvaux)."
Med Lands cites:

     Zoe Dukaina married Ioannes Doukas Angelos Sebastocrator, Lord of Epirus, son of Konstantinos/Constantinus Angelos Admiral of Sicily and Theodora Comnena,
;
His 2nd? wife.^1,2
      ; x.¹

     Lubb ibn Musa (?) married Ayab Al-Bilatiyya (?)¹

Lubb ibn Musa (?) died in 875.²
     ; Per Farmerie:
     "The other night I happened to be going over some odds and ends, and came across the subject of much speculation, Auria, queen of Navarre. As a refresher, she appears in one and only one historical record, the Codice de Roda, which states that king Fortun married Oria, daughter of _____ (left blank in the manuscript).
     "Given this paucity of evidence, one might be surprised to find her so widely and unambiguously stated to have been daughter of Lubb ibn Musa ibn Qasi. The reason for this, as has been discussed here before, is two-fold: first, the name Auria has only been found among the Basque ruling classes in the pedigree of the Banu Qasi, where we find Auria bint Muza ibn Qasi, sister of Lubb, marrying an otherwise obscure prince Garcia, who was killed in battle in 859. It would be reasonable to hypothesize a woman named Auria having a niece named Auria. Second. . . well, let's face it. Second is that people really want to trace to anything unusual, such as jew, muslims, pagans, etc. . . . . really _really_, and so given any number of options, guess which they will pick. The second reason need not be addressed (genealogy is a process, not a goal).
     "As to the first, the name Auria is neither an arab nor specifically a muladi name, but is of latin origin, and can be found centuries earlier in at least one convent. While it is accurate that this name is not known elsewhere among the families of the Basque princes, this is drawing conclusions from an extremely small sample. I am only aware of two documents with any reliability that name any Basque women at the time (one beign the Banu Qasi pedigree, which only names Auria, the other the Codice de Roda, which for the same and surrounding generations give us just three additional names, one of which is used twice. The interpretation that the name is unique to the Banu Qasi has been made from this data, but I would suggest that it is just as (in)valid to conclude from the same data set that 20% of all Basque women had the name. Without a larger sample of names, it is hard to support a Banu Qasi-only derivation (Christian Settipani has proposed three alternative origins for her). I would like to propose a fourth, but before I do . . . .
     "Let me amplify this point of Basque naming, since what I feel to be a misapplication of onomastics has led to all kinds of mischief with respect to the genealogical reconstructions. Of the earliest three generations of the major Pamplona principality, we know just four names. Inigo Arista was son of another Inigo, had a brother Fortun, and had sons Garcia and Galindo. Given this pattern, a marriage has been hypothesized between Inigo Arista and one of the two families known to be using the name Galindo, the two fighting over Aragon. I have to ask, with such a small number of known names and only one name in the generation before Arista, how can one possibly conclude that the name Galindo was just introduced into the family through marriage? Could not Arista have had a paternal uncle of that name? (or for that matter could not one of these Galindos have been his paternal uncle?) I know that it is no fun just to say "there is not enough information on which to base speculation", but the approach used seems as likely to result in 'the blind men and the elephant' scenarios as having any chance at authenticity. And all of this is based on the fact that there are just these families to consider. Were there no other families in all of the Basque regions with daughters, that every wife had to come from one of three families? In fact, we know there were others. We know that the Jimenez held sway in "another part of the kingdom" (a relationship perhaps similar to that between Malcolm II and Macbeth at the time of their visit to Canute), but at this time we only know the founder Jimeno had sons Inigo and Garcia, but nothing about siblings or ancestors. There was also that prince Garcia who was killed in 859, about whom we know nothing else except his marriage to Auria. Settipani forces him into one of the other families, making him son of Garcia el Malo, but he may have represented yet another "part" of the Pyrenees. Again, I ask, given that you don't know if the name was already in use by the family, and given that you have an account of the names in use by only a subset of the identified candidate families, and given that there were certainly other canditate families yet to be identified, is it really justified to even speculate that the name was novel and came from a particular other family via marriage. OK, enough of this rant, back to Auria.
     "As I said, I would like to suggest another alternative, not instead of those already proposed, but in addition to (in other words, don't nobody go and put this in y'all's databases). First, chronology. The date of Fortun's birth has not been recorded (obviously). What is known is that he was oldest son of his father, who was acting as regent in 841, and that he himself was old enough to be captured, apparently in battle, in 860. He was returned from Cordoba in 880, and forced into a monastery in 905. His granddaughter, the daughter of a second marriage of his daughter to his younger brother's son, was still having children in the 920s, while a greatgrandson was already reigning in Cordoba in 912. In other words, there is a whole lot of wiggle room. Still, this last date seems to limit the marriage. For a great-grandson to be ruling the largest state in the Mediterranean, one would be hard pressed to place the marriage much later than, say, 870, and I would suggest earlier than that, as the marriage of his daughter to 'Abdullah ibn Muhammad is likely to have taken place prior to his return from Cordoba in 980, placing it closer to 860 or even before. Likewise, I would be hesitant to take it too much earlier, as one gets the impression that Inigo (or at least his brother, "the preeminent warrior in the kingdom" several years later) was not exactly in his dotage when he was paralysed in battle in 841, meaning that his grandson, even as oldest son of oldest son, could not have been very old. This then gives us our chronological framework (as it is).
     "In terms of our genealogical framework, he was oldest son of the oldest son of Inigo, and unfortunately, his known kinsmen make for a very short list. In addition to his father Garcia and grandfather Inigo, he had a great uncle Fortun, an uncle Galindo and brothers Velasco and Sancho. His aunt Ausona married Musa ibn Musa ibn Qasi, who was also his great-uncle, being the half-brother of Fortun and Inigo. He had another aunt who married Garcia el Malo, and had a son Galindo. He had a sister Oneca married to Aznar Galindez of Aragon.
     "I have lost my train of thought here, so let's just cut to the chase. Fortun appears to have been 'of a generation' with Auria bint Musa, wife of Garcia, k. 859. Likewise, an 860 marriage date falls within the chronological framework already worked out. Rather than being her niece, could Fortun's wife have been none other than Auria bint Musa bint Qasi herself. The argument has in it's favor this general chronological and genealogical framework: husband and wife would be first cousins, and avoids the unneccesary multiplication of Aurias. The biggest point against it is whether the Banu Qasi genealogist, who so fastidiously reported the marriage of a member of the family to a prince Garcia who is utterly unknown in the christian sources would then have failed to record her subsequent marriage to King Fortun. (One could ad hoc some scenarios, but why bother.) Of course this last is an argument that bites just as hard into those making her Auria ibn Lubb ibn Qasi.”.³
;      Per Wikipedia (ES): "Contrajo matrimonio con Awriya ibn Lubb, llamada Oria, quien pudo ser hija de Lubb ibn Musa y de Ayab Al-Bilatiyya, y nieta, por parte paterna, de Musa ibn Musa y de Assona Íñiguez. [13]” [Translation from Google: "He married Awriya ibn Lubb, named Oria, who could have been the daughter of Lubb ibn Musa and Ayab Al-Bilatiyya, and granddaughter, on the paternal side, of Musa ibn Musa and Assona Íñiguez."]
Wikipedia (ES) cites:
Per Wikipedia: "Auria – also known as Oria – was an early Queen consort of Pamplona. She is known from a single historical source, the Códice de Roda, which only gives her name and not her parentage. Historian and professor Antonio Rei has put forward the hypothesis that she could have been the granddaughter of Musa ibn Musa ibn Qasi,[1] while genealogist Christian Settipani suggested this and two other alternatives when addressing her possible parentage.[2]
Wikipedia cites:
; See the attached chart of the later generations of the Banu Qasi, before and descending from Musa Ibn Musa (from Wikipedia article). See the article for further details on the Banu Qasi and their Hispano-Roman origins.“.² GAV-34.

     Ayab Al-Bilatiyya (?) married Lubb ibn Musa (?), son of Musa ibn Musa ibn Fortun ibn Quasi (?) and Assona Iniquez (?).¹

     ; Per Farmerie:
     "The other night I happened to be going over some odds and ends, and came across the subject of much speculation, Auria, queen of Navarre. As a refresher, she appears in one and only one historical record, the Codice de Roda, which states that king Fortun married Oria, daughter of _____ (left blank in the manuscript).
     "Given this paucity of evidence, one might be surprised to find her so widely and unambiguously stated to have been daughter of Lubb ibn Musa ibn Qasi. The reason for this, as has been discussed here before, is two-fold: first, the name Auria has only been found among the Basque ruling classes in the pedigree of the Banu Qasi, where we find Auria bint Muza ibn Qasi, sister of Lubb, marrying an otherwise obscure prince Garcia, who was killed in battle in 859. It would be reasonable to hypothesize a woman named Auria having a niece named Auria. Second. . . well, let's face it. Second is that people really want to trace to anything unusual, such as jew, muslims, pagans, etc. . . . . really _really_, and so given any number of options, guess which they will pick. The second reason need not be addressed (genealogy is a process, not a goal).
     "As to the first, the name Auria is neither an arab nor specifically a muladi name, but is of latin origin, and can be found centuries earlier in at least one convent. While it is accurate that this name is not known elsewhere among the families of the Basque princes, this is drawing conclusions from an extremely small sample. I am only aware of two documents with any reliability that name any Basque women at the time (one beign the Banu Qasi pedigree, which only names Auria, the other the Codice de Roda, which for the same and surrounding generations give us just three additional names, one of which is used twice. The interpretation that the name is unique to the Banu Qasi has been made from this data, but I would suggest that it is just as (in)valid to conclude from the same data set that 20% of all Basque women had the name. Without a larger sample of names, it is hard to support a Banu Qasi-only derivation (Christian Settipani has proposed three alternative origins for her). I would like to propose a fourth, but before I do . . . .
     "Let me amplify this point of Basque naming, since what I feel to be a misapplication of onomastics has led to all kinds of mischief with respect to the genealogical reconstructions. Of the earliest three generations of the major Pamplona principality, we know just four names. Inigo Arista was son of another Inigo, had a brother Fortun, and had sons Garcia and Galindo. Given this pattern, a marriage has been hypothesized between Inigo Arista and one of the two families known to be using the name Galindo, the two fighting over Aragon. I have to ask, with such a small number of known names and only one name in the generation before Arista, how can one possibly conclude that the name Galindo was just introduced into the family through marriage? Could not Arista have had a paternal uncle of that name? (or for that matter could not one of these Galindos have been his paternal uncle?) I know that it is no fun just to say "there is not enough information on which to base speculation", but the approach used seems as likely to result in 'the blind men and the elephant' scenarios as having any chance at authenticity. And all of this is based on the fact that there are just these families to consider. Were there no other families in all of the Basque regions with daughters, that every wife had to come from one of three families? In fact, we know there were others. We know that the Jimenez held sway in "another part of the kingdom" (a relationship perhaps similar to that between Malcolm II and Macbeth at the time of their visit to Canute), but at this time we only know the founder Jimeno had sons Inigo and Garcia, but nothing about siblings or ancestors. There was also that prince Garcia who was killed in 859, about whom we know nothing else except his marriage to Auria. Settipani forces him into one of the other families, making him son of Garcia el Malo, but he may have represented yet another "part" of the Pyrenees. Again, I ask, given that you don't know if the name was already in use by the family, and given that you have an account of the names in use by only a subset of the identified candidate families, and given that there were certainly other canditate families yet to be identified, is it really justified to even speculate that the name was novel and came from a particular other family via marriage. OK, enough of this rant, back to Auria.
     "As I said, I would like to suggest another alternative, not instead of those already proposed, but in addition to (in other words, don't nobody go and put this in y'all's databases). First, chronology. The date of Fortun's birth has not been recorded (obviously). What is known is that he was oldest son of his father, who was acting as regent in 841, and that he himself was old enough to be captured, apparently in battle, in 860. He was returned from Cordoba in 880, and forced into a monastery in 905. His granddaughter, the daughter of a second marriage of his daughter to his younger brother's son, was still having children in the 920s, while a greatgrandson was already reigning in Cordoba in 912. In other words, there is a whole lot of wiggle room. Still, this last date seems to limit the marriage. For a great-grandson to be ruling the largest state in the Mediterranean, one would be hard pressed to place the marriage much later than, say, 870, and I would suggest earlier than that, as the marriage of his daughter to 'Abdullah ibn Muhammad is likely to have taken place prior to his return from Cordoba in 980, placing it closer to 860 or even before. Likewise, I would be hesitant to take it too much earlier, as one gets the impression that Inigo (or at least his brother, "the preeminent warrior in the kingdom" several years later) was not exactly in his dotage when he was paralysed in battle in 841, meaning that his grandson, even as oldest son of oldest son, could not have been very old. This then gives us our chronological framework (as it is).
     "In terms of our genealogical framework, he was oldest son of the oldest son of Inigo, and unfortunately, his known kinsmen make for a very short list. In addition to his father Garcia and grandfather Inigo, he had a great uncle Fortun, an uncle Galindo and brothers Velasco and Sancho. His aunt Ausona married Musa ibn Musa ibn Qasi, who was also his great-uncle, being the half-brother of Fortun and Inigo. He had another aunt who married Garcia el Malo, and had a son Galindo. He had a sister Oneca married to Aznar Galindez of Aragon.
     "I have lost my train of thought here, so let's just cut to the chase. Fortun appears to have been 'of a generation' with Auria bint Musa, wife of Garcia, k. 859. Likewise, an 860 marriage date falls within the chronological framework already worked out. Rather than being her niece, could Fortun's wife have been none other than Auria bint Musa bint Qasi herself. The argument has in it's favor this general chronological and genealogical framework: husband and wife would be first cousins, and avoids the unneccesary multiplication of Aurias. The biggest point against it is whether the Banu Qasi genealogist, who so fastidiously reported the marriage of a member of the family to a prince Garcia who is utterly unknown in the christian sources would then have failed to record her subsequent marriage to King Fortun. (One could ad hoc some scenarios, but why bother.) Of course this last is an argument that bites just as hard into those making her Auria ibn Lubb ibn Qasi.”.²
;      Per Wikipedia (ES): "Contrajo matrimonio con Awriya ibn Lubb, llamada Oria, quien pudo ser hija de Lubb ibn Musa y de Ayab Al-Bilatiyya, y nieta, por parte paterna, de Musa ibn Musa y de Assona Íñiguez. [13]” [Translation from Google: "He married Awriya ibn Lubb, named Oria, who could have been the daughter of Lubb ibn Musa and Ayab Al-Bilatiyya, and granddaughter, on the paternal side, of Musa ibn Musa and Assona Íñiguez."]
Wikipedia (ES) cites:
Per Wikipedia: "Auria – also known as Oria – was an early Queen consort of Pamplona. She is known from a single historical source, the Códice de Roda, which only gives her name and not her parentage. Historian and professor Antonio Rei has put forward the hypothesis that she could have been the granddaughter of Musa ibn Musa ibn Qasi,[1] while genealogist Christian Settipani suggested this and two other alternatives when addressing her possible parentage.[2]
Wikipedia cites: GAV-34.

     Jennings Price Hudson Jr. was born on 9 April 1858 at Louisville, Jefferson Co., Kentucky, USA.¹ He married Bertha Prats on 3 May 1913.¹

Jennings Price Hudson Jr. died on 6 June 1924 at New Orleans, Orleans Co., Louisiana, USA, at age 66.¹

     Bertha Prats was born on 30 January 1888 at New Orleans, Orleans Co., Louisiana, USA.¹ She married Jennings Price Hudson Jr., son of Jennings Price Hudson and Sarah Ann "Sallie" Burdette, on 3 May 1913.¹