Regilindis (?) of Lorraine1,2,3

F, #10711, b. circa 1015, d. 1064
FatherGozelo I "The Great" (?) Count of Verdun, Duke of Upper-Lorraine, Markgraf of Antwerpen1,2,4,5 b. c 967, d. 19 Apr 1044
ReferenceGAV25 EDV25
Last Edited29 Aug 2020
     Regilindis (?) of Lorraine was born circa 1015.3 She married Albert II (?) Comte de Namur, Vogt von Andenne, son of Albert I (?) Cte de Namur, Ct in the Lommengouw and Adelaide/Ermengarde (?) of Lorraine, on 10 August 1035.6,7,1,2,3
Regilindis (?) of Lorraine died on 1 February 1050.8
Regilindis (?) of Lorraine died in 1064; Genealogy.EU (Luxemburg 1 page) says d. aft 1067.6,1,2
     GAV-25 EDV-25 GKJ-26.

; Leo van de pas cites: 1. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VI 127;VII 68
2. Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: I 6.1

Family

Albert II (?) Comte de Namur, Vogt von Andenne b. c 1000, d. bt 1063 - 1064
Children

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Regelindis de Lorraine: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027131&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 1 page (The Luxemburg Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg1.html
  3. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 2 page (The Luxemburg Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg2.html
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gozelo I 'the Great': https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00141433&tree=LEO
  5. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIA.htm#Gozelondied1044A. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  6. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 149-21, p. 131. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Albert II: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027130&tree=LEO
  8. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I10965
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Count Henri I de Durbuy: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00148734&tree=LEO
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Albert III: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027128&tree=LEO
  11. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NAMUR.htm#ALbertIIIdied1102B

Joyce Botetourte Baroness Botetourt, Baroness Zouche1,2

F, #10712, b. circa 1364, d. between 1 January 1406 and 1407
FatherSir John Botetourte of Little Linford, Buckinghamshire1,2,3 d. 21 Sep 1369
MotherMaud Grey1,2 b. c 1346, d. 29 Jan 1394
Last Edited9 Nov 2008
     Joyce Botetourte Baroness Botetourt, Baroness Zouche was born circa 1364.1 She married Sir Hugh Burnell Knt. KG, of Holdgate, 2nd Lord Burnell, son of Nicholas de Haudlo 1st Lord Burnell and Mary (?), before 21 April 1386; his 2nd wife.1,4,5
Joyce Botetourte Baroness Botetourt, Baroness Zouche died between 1 January 1406 and 1407; dsp.1,2,5
     ; JOYCE DE BOTETOURT, de jure BARONESS BOTETOURT according to later doctrine, also de jure BARONESS ZOUCHE (of Richard's Castle, Mortimer or Ashby) according to the same later doctrine unless Robert ZOUCHE/RAMMESFOLD's pedigree is to be preferred (see above), in which case he would have had a better claim to the Barony of Zouche (of Richard's Castle etc) from 11 July 1399; b c 1364; m by 21 April 1386, as his 2nd w, 2nd Lord (Baron) Burnell (m 3rd and dspms 27 Nov 1420) and dsp 1 Jan 1406/7, when such Barony of Zouche (of Richard's Castle, Mortimer or Ashby) as may have been cr by the 1323 writ of summons became abeyant between her f's five sisters (see BEAUFORT, D.)1

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Zouche Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  2. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages, p. 64. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.
  3. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), Harcourt 8: p. 376. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir Hugh Burnell, of Holdgate: http://genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00383906&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  5. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Richardson PA, Burnell 11: p. 173.

Albert I (?) Cte de Namur, Ct in the Lommengouw1,2,3

M, #10713, b. between 959 and 970, d. before 1011
FatherRobert I (?) Comte de Namur ,Count in the Lommengouw2,4,5,6 b. c 940, d. b 981
MotherLiutgarde von Metz7,6,5
ReferenceGAV26
Last Edited3 May 2020
     Albert I (?) Cte de Namur, Ct in the Lommengouw was born between 959 and 970 at Lower Lorraine, France.2 He married Adelaide/Ermengarde (?) of Lorraine, daughter of Charles (?) of Laon, duc de Basse-Lorraine and Adela/Adelheid/d’Adélaïs (?) de Troyes, in 990.8,9,2,10,11,5
Albert I (?) Cte de Namur, Ct in the Lommengouw died before 1011; Weis says d. between 998 and 1011; Genealogy.EU (Luxemburg 2 page) says d. shortly before 1011; Leo van der Pas says d. bef 1011.8,2,3
     Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 68.
2. Biogr. details drawn from Wikipedia. French version.5
GAV-26 EDV-29 GKJ-29.

; Per Med Lands:
     "ALBERT, son of ROBERT [I] Comte de Namur & his wife --- (-shortly before 1011). Albert, Gislebert and Ratbod are named as sons of Comte Robert in a charter dated 981[30]. He succeeded as ALBERT I Comte de Namur. "Otto…rex" confirmed the privileges of Brogne abbey "in pago Lomacensis situm" by charter dated 992 which names "comiti…Namuci Adelberto"[31]. His date of death is suggested by a record, dated to 1011, of a monk from St Vaast d'Arras dreaming of hell where he recognised "Albertum Namucensium comitatui" being tortured, the episode being incorporated into a circular letter from Richard Bishop of Verdun to all abbeys[32].
     "m (990) ERMENGARDE, daughter of CHARLES Duke of Lower Lotharingia [Carolingian] & wife Adelais de Troyes ([970/75]-after 1013). The Genealogica comitum Buloniensium records that "Karolus dux" was father of "Ermengardem et Gerbergam"[33]. The Gesta Abbatem Trudonensium, on the other hand, names "Hermegardam Namursi cometissam" as only daughter of "Ottoni duci Lotharingiæ", son of Duke Charles[34]. This appears chronologically difficult to sustain, assuming that Ermengarde was the mother of Albert's children as shown below. It would also mean that her daughter Liutgarde could not have been the mother of Baldric [II] Bishop of Liège (see below), already tight chronologically if Ermengarde married in 990. The Fundatio Ecclesiæ S Albani Namucensis is less specific on Ermengarde's origin when it names her son "comes Albertus secundus, ortus ex patre Lothariensi" and refers to his mother as "matre vero Francigena Ermengarde, nobilissimam Francorum regum prosapiam trahente"[35]. The date of her marriage is suggested by the fact that Richer does not name her among the children who were imprisoned with her father in 991: "Karolum…cum uxore Adelaide et filio Ludovico, et filiabus duabus, quarum altera Gerberga, altera Adelaidis dicebatur, necnon et Arnulfo nepote"[36]. This presumably indicates that her marriage predated this imprisonment. It has been suggested that Ermengarde was Albert [I]'s second wife, considering the likely difference in their ages[37]. If this is correct, it is unlikely that there were any surviving children from his earlier marriage as Albert's successor (presumably his eldest surviving son) was the son of his surviving wife, presumably Ermengarde, as shown by the Gesta Episcoporum Cameracensium which records that "Rotberdo Namurcensi comite" betrayed Lambert Comte de Louvain after the battle of Hougaerde (dated to 1013) and that Lambert, captured by "Herimannum…comitem", was released after the intervention of "Rotbodi…comitis mater"[38]."
Med Lands cites:
[30] Pirenne, H. (ed.) (1909) Album belge de diplomatique (Brussels), planche IV, cited in Namur, p. xxxv.
[31] D O III 92, p. 502.
[32] Namur, p. xli, which quotes the text, citing MGH SS X, p. 382, in which the passage does not appear.
[33] Genealogica comitum Buloniensium MGH SS IX, p. 300.
[34] Gestorum Abbatem Trudonensium Continuatio Tertia 1005, MGH SS X, p. 382.
[35] Fundatio Ecclesiæ S. Albani Namucensis, MGH SS XV.2, p. 962.
[36] Richeri Historiæ IV 49, MGH SS III, p. 642.
[37] Namur, p. xlvi.
[38] Gesta Episcoporum Cameracensium III 5, MGH SS VII, p. 468.6


; Per Genealogics:
     "Albert was the son of Robert, comte de Namur. While his father is last referred to in charters in 974, Albert only appears as count of Namur in 981. In 973 he joined Reginar IV and Lambert I, the sons of Reginar III, count in Hainault, who sought to reclaim the county that had been stripped from their disgraced father by Emperor Otto I. Albert was subsequently reconciled with the emperor and entrusted by him to defend Brogne Abbey in 998. About 990 Albert married Ermengarde de Lorraine, daughter of Charles, duc de Lorraine, and his wife Adela. Of their eight children only Albert II and Hadwide are recorded with progeny. Albert died shortly before 1011."5

; Per Genealogy.EU: "Ct Albert I in the Lommengouw, who in 992 became Cte de Namur, *959/970, +shortly before 1011; m.ca 990 Ermengarde=Aleide (*ca 972/975 +after 1012/19 !dwid!) dau.of Duke Charles of Lotharingia (Lower Lorraine.)2"
;      NB: Genealogy.EU and Racines et Histoire identify this Ermengarde who m. Otto I de Chiny as a dau. of Albert I and Ermengarde/Aleide. Genealogics shows this Ermengarde as marrying Otto I de Chiny, but shows no parents for her. The birthdate proposed by Genealogy.EU (0957) is too early for her to have been a dau. of Albert I (b. ca 959) and Ermengarde/Aleide (b. ca 980). Med Lands shows a dau. named Ermengarde for Alber I and Ermengarde/Aleide, but shows no dates or marriage for her.
     Conclusion: I have left Ermengarde as the dau. of Albert I and his wife for now, while I investigate further. GA Vaut.12,13,14,11,6

Family

Adelaide/Ermengarde (?) of Lorraine b. c 980, d. a 1012
Children

Citations

  1. [S752] Marcellus Donald Alexander R. von Redlich, compiler, Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants, Vol. I (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1941 (1988 reprint)), p. 274. Hereinafter cited as von Redlich [1941] Charlemagne Desc. vol I.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg2.html
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Albert I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120949&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Robert: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120947&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Albert I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120949&tree=LEO
  6. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NAMUR.htm#AlbertIdied1011B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  7. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NAMUR.htm#RobertIdiedbefore981
  8. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 149-20, p. 131. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ermengarde/Aleide de Lorraine: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120950&tree=LEO
  10. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIA.htm#_ftnref210
  11. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Namur, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Namur.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  12. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ermengarde: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120862&tree=LEO
  13. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 2: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg2.html
  14. [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 3 May 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."
  15. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I25021
  16. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 2 page (The Luxemburg Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg2.html
  17. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hadwide de Namur: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120310&tree=LEO
  18. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NAMUR.htm#HedwigMGerardIVAlsaceUpperLdied1070

Adelaide/Ermengarde (?) of Lorraine1,2

F, #10714, b. circa 980, d. after 1012
FatherCharles (?) of Laon, duc de Basse-Lorraine1,2,3,4,5 b. 953, d. bt 22 Jun 993 - 994
MotherAdela/Adelheid/d’Adélaïs (?) de Troyes6,1,2,3
ReferenceGAV26 EDV26
Last Edited28 Jun 2020
     Adelaide/Ermengarde (?) of Lorraine was born circa 980; Genealogy.EU (Carolin 1 page), Racines et Histoire and Med Lands say b. 970/975.2,1,3,7 She married Albert I (?) Cte de Namur, Ct in the Lommengouw, son of Robert I (?) Comte de Namur ,Count in the Lommengouw and Liutgarde von Metz, in 990.8,2,9,3,7,10
Adelaide/Ermengarde (?) of Lorraine died after 1012; Genealogy.EU (Carolin 1 page) says d. 1019; Med Lands and Racines et Histoire say d. aft 1013; Genealogics says d. aft 1012.1,2,3,7
     ; Per Genealogy.EU: "Ct Albert I in the Lommengouw, who in 992 became Cte de Namur, *959/970, +shortly before 1011; m.ca 990 Ermengarde=Aleide (*ca 972/975 +after 1012/19 !dwid!) dau.of Duke Charles of Lotharingia (Lower Lorraine.)9"

Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 68.
2. Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: II 12.

     See also Weis [1992:131] Line 149-20.11,8

; Per Med Lands:
     "ERMENGARDE ([970/75]-after 1013). The Genealogica comitum Buloniensium records that "Karolus dux" was father of "Ermengardem et Gerbergam"[210]. The Gesta Abbatem Trudonensium, on the other hand, names "Hermegardam Namursi cometissam" as only daughter of "Ottoni duci Lotharingiæ", son of Duke Charles[211]. The latter appears chronologically impossible in light of the sources discussed in the document NAMUR which attest Ermengarde as the mother of at least three of her husband's children. The Fundatio Ecclesiæ S Albani Namucensis is less specific on Ermengarde's origin when it names her son "comes Albertus secundus, ortus ex patre Lothariensi" referring to his mother as "matre vero Francigena Ermengarde, nobilissimam Francorum regum prosapiam trahente"[212]. The birth date range of Ermengarde is estimated on the basis of her having been the mother of all Comte Albert's recorded children. Her marriage date is suggested by Richer, who does not name her among the children of her father when the family was imprisoned in 991: "Karolum…cum uxore Adelaide et filio Ludovico, et filiabus duabus, quarum altera Gerberga, altera Adelaidis dicebatur, necnon et Arnulfo nepote"[213]. This presumably indicates that her marriage predated this imprisonment. It has been suggested that Ermengarde was Albert [I]'s second wife, considering the likely difference in their ages[214]. If this is correct, it is unlikely that there were any surviving children from his earlier marriage as Albert's successor (presumably his eldest son) was the son of his surviving wife, presumably Ermengarde, as shown by the Gesta Episcoporum Cameracensium which records that "Rotberdo Namurcensi comite" betrayed Lambert Comte de Louvain after the battle of Hougaerde (dated to 1013) and that Lambert, captured by "Herimannum…comitem", was released after the intervention of "Rotbodi…comitis mater"[215].
     "m (990) ALBERT [I] Comte de Namur, son of ROBERT [I] Comte de Namur & his wife --- (-shortly before 1011)."
Med Lands cites:
[210] Genealogica comitum Buloniensium MGH SS IX, p. 300.
[211] Gestorum Abbatem Trudonensium Continuatio Tertia 1005, MGH SS X, p. 382.
[212] Fundatio Ecclesiæ S. Albani Namucensis, MGH SS XV.2, p. 962.
[213] Richeri Historiæ IV 49, MGH SS III, p. 642.
[214] Rousseau, F. (ed.) (1936) Actes des Comtes de Namur de la Première Race 946-1196 (Brussels) ("Namur"), p. xlvi.
[215] Gesta Episcoporum Cameracensium III 5, MGH SS VII, p. 468.3


; Per Racines et Histoire: "Albert 1er de Namur ° ~959 + peu avant 1011 comte de Namur (992) (souscrit charte du Roi Otton à l’Abbaye de Brogne 992 ; cité 1011 charte circulaire de Richard, Evêque de Verdun)
     ép. ~990 Ermengarde (alias Aleide) de Lorraine ° 970/75 + après 1013 (fille de Charles, duc de Basse-Lorraine, et d’Adélaïs de Troyes ou de leur fils Otton ?)7" GAV-26 EDV-26.
;      NB: Genealogy.EU and Racines et Histoire identify this Ermengarde who m. Otto I de Chiny as a dau. of Albert I and Ermengarde/Aleide. Genealogics shows this Ermengarde as marrying Otto I de Chiny, but shows no parents for her. The birthdate proposed by Genealogy.EU (0957) is too early for her to have been a dau. of Albert I (b. ca 959) and Ermengarde/Aleide (b. ca 980). Med Lands shows a dau. named Ermengarde for Alber I and Ermengarde/Aleide, but shows no dates or marriage for her.
     Conclusion: I have left Ermengarde as the dau. of Albert I and his wife for now, while I investigate further. GA Vaut.12,13,14,7,15

Family

Albert I (?) Cte de Namur, Ct in the Lommengouw b. bt 959 - 970, d. b 1011
Children

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Carolin 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/carolin/carolin1.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ermengarde/Aleide de Lorraine: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120950&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIA.htm#_ftnref210. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Charles: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020064&tree=LEO
  5. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIA.htm#CharlesdukeLowerLothringiadied991
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adela: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020065&tree=LEO
  7. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Namur, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Namur.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  8. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 149-20, p. 131. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  9. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg2.html
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Albert I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120949&tree=LEO
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ermengarde/Aleide de Lorraine: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120950&tree=LEO
  12. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ermengarde: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120862&tree=LEO
  13. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 2: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg2.html
  14. [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 3 May 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."
  15. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NAMUR.htm#AlbertIdied1011B
  16. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NAMUR.htm#LiutgardeEmmaMOttoGislebertLooz
  17. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NAMUR.htm#AlbertIdied1011A
  18. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 2 page (The Luxemburg Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg2.html
  19. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Albert II: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027130&tree=LEO
  20. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hadwide de Namur: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120310&tree=LEO
  21. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NAMUR.htm#HedwigMGerardIVAlsaceUpperLdied1070

Robert I (?) Comte de Namur ,Count in the Lommengouw1,2

M, #10715, b. circa 940, d. before 981
FatherBerenguer (?) Gf im Lommegau, Gf im Maifeld1,3,2 b. bt 875 - 878, d. b 946
MotherNN (?) de Hainaut, héritière du comté de Lommois1,2,4,5 b. c 910, d. 952
ReferenceGAV27
Last Edited17 Jun 2020
     Robert I (?) Comte de Namur ,Count in the Lommengouw married Liutgarde von Metz, daughter of Adalbert von Metz Graf von Metz and Luitgarde (?) von Trier.6 Robert I (?) Comte de Namur ,Count in the Lommengouw was born circa 940.7
Robert I (?) Comte de Namur ,Count in the Lommengouw died before 981.1,2
     Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 68.
2. Biogr. details drawn from Wikipedia . French version.8


; Per Genealogy.EU: "Ct Robert I in the Lommengouw, +ca 981; m.Oda, dau.of Duke Otto of Lorraine."2

; Per Genealogics:
     "Robert, the son of a count Berengar and a lady from the house of Hainault, was count of Namur from 946 till his death. Nothing is known confidently of his origins. He regularly appeared in the records between 946 and 974, and between 958 and 963 joined the Lotharingian rebellion of Immo, count of Looz, against Bruno, archbishop of Cologne and duke of Lorraine. At that time he strengthened the fortifications of the castle of Namur.
     "Robert's wife is not known with certainty, though _Europäische Stammtafeln_ give her as Ermengarde de Lorraine, daughter of Otto, duke of Lorraine. They had possibly three sons, of whom Albert I is recorded with progeny.
     "Albert is first referred to in 981, suggesting that Robert died between 974 and 981." GAV-27.

Reference: Weis [1992:131] Line 149-20.9

; NB: The identify of Robert's wife is uncertain.
     Genealogics says: "_Europäische Stammtafeln_ give her as Ermengarde de Lorraine, daughter of Otto, duke of Lorraine."
Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 7:68
     Med Lands says: "Thierry Stasser suggests that she may have been [Liutgarde], daughter of Adalbert Graf [von Metz], emphasising that this is purely speculative based only on onomastics[21]."
Med Lands cites: Stasser, T. 'L'épouse de Robert I de Namur: Essai d'identification', Keats-Rohan, K. S. B. and Settipani, C. (eds.) (2000) Onomastique et Parenté dans l'Occident medieval (Prosopographica et Genealogica, Vol. 3), p. 115.
I have chosen to follow the Med Lands lineage. GA Vaut.10,8,11 He was living in 946; mentioned.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Robert: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120947&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 2 page (The Luxemburg Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg2.html
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Berengar: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120945&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, NN de Hainault: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120946&tree=LEO
  5. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NAMUR.htm#Berengardiedbefore946. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  6. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(UPPER)%20NOBILITY.htm#LiutgardeMRobertINamur
  7. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I10961
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Robert: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120947&tree=LEO
  9. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 149-20, p. 131. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  10. [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 8 April 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."
  11. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NAMUR.htm#RobertIdiedbefore981
  12. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg2.html
  13. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Albert I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120949&tree=LEO
  14. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NAMUR.htm#AlbertIdied1011B

Enguerrand II de Ponthieu comte de Ponthieu, Montruil et Aumale1,2

M, #10716, b. circa 1033, d. 25 October 1053
FatherHugues II (?) comte de Ponthieu et de Montreuil, seigneur d'Abbeville, avoué de St-Riquier1,3,4,5,6 b. c 1020, d. 20 Nov 1052
MotherBertha (?) Dame d'Aumâle5,3,4,7 b. c 1015
ReferenceGAV27
Last Edited19 Jun 2020
     Enguerrand II de Ponthieu comte de Ponthieu, Montruil et Aumale was born circa 1033; Racines et Histoire says b. ca 1033; Genealogics syas b. ca 1037.1,2,3 He married Adélaïde (?) de Normandie, comtesse d'Aumale, daughter of Robert I "The Magnificent" (?) Duke of Normandy and HerleveArlette (?) de Falaise, before 1052;
Her 1st husband.8,9,10,11,12,13,3,14,4
Enguerrand II de Ponthieu comte de Ponthieu, Montruil et Aumale died on 25 October 1053 at Château d'Arques, Arques, Departement de l'Aude, L'Occitanie; Racines et Histoire says d. ca 1060.15,16,1,2,17,3,4
     ; Per Racines et Histoire: "Adélaïde de Normandie ° ~1030 + 1081/84
     ép. 1) avant 1052 Enguerrand II de Ponthieu comte de Ponthieu et de Montreuil + 1053
     ép. 2) 1053/54 Lambert de Boulogne comte de Lens + 1054 (postérité Valognes)
     ép. 3) ~1060 Eudes III de Troyes + après 1096 (1127 ?) comte de Troyes-Champagne et d’Aumale."14

; Per Genealogy.EU: "Adelaide, *ca 1030, +1081/84; 1m: before 1052 Enguerrand II de Ponthieu/de Montreuil (+1053); 2m: 1053/54 Lambert de Boulogne-sur-Mer, Cte de Lens (+1054); 3m: ca 1060 Eudes III de Troyes, Cte de Champagne (+after 1096.)9"

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: 3:635.3

; Per Med Lands:
     "ENGUERRAND (-killed in battle Château d'Arques 25 Oct [1053]). The Chronique de Saint Riquier records that "Hugues" had four sons of whom the eldest "Angelran" confirmed a donation of his father to Saint-Riquier on his deathbed by charter dated "XII Kal Dec"[557]. The foundation charter of Saint-Martin d’Auchy names “Engueranni consulis qui filius fuit Berte supradicti Guerinfridi filie et Adelidis comitisse uxoris sue sororis…Willelmi Regis Anglorum”[558]. Comte de Montreuil. Orderic Vitalis records that “tempore Rodberti ducis Gislebertus comes Brionniæ” invaded “in pagum Vimmacensem” [Vimeu] but was repulsed by “Ingelrannus Pontivi comes”[559]. Le Prévost dates this event to “antérieure à 1034, époque présumée de la fondation du Bec”[560]. Seigneur d'Aumâle. Comte d’Abbeville: Guillaume of Jumièges records that “Willelmum Archacensem” rebelled against Guillaume II Duke of Normandy, helped by Henri I King of France, and that “Ingelrannus Abbatisvillæ comes...ac Hugo cognomento Bardulfus” were killed by the duke’s forces during the attack on his castle of Arques[561].
     "m as her first husband, ADELAIS de Normandie, illegitimate daughter of ROBERT II Duke of Normandy & his mistress --- (-[1081/86]). Robert de Torigny names "Aeliz" as the daughter of Duke Robert II "de alia concubina" from Herleve[562]. The foundation charter of Saint-Martin d’Auchy names “Engueranni consulis qui filius fuit Berte supradicti Guerinfridi filie et Adelidis comitisse uxoris sue sororis…Willelmi Regis Anglorum”[563]. She retained the title Comtesse d'Aumâle after her first marriage. She married secondly ([1053/54]) Lambert de Boulogne Comte de Lens, and thirdly ([1060]) Eudes Comte de Troyes [Blois-Champagne], who succeeded as Comte d'Aumâle in [1070]. Her second marriage is deduced from the same charter of Saint-Martin d’Auchy which also names “Judita comitissa domine supradicte filia”[564]. Orderic Vitalis records that King William I granted "comitatum Hildernessæ" to "Odoni...Campaniensi nepoti Theobaldi comitis" who had married "sororem...regis filiam...Rodberti ducis"[565]."
Med Lands cites:
[557] Chronique de l'abbaye de Saint-Riquier, IV.XXI, p. 242.
[558] CP I 351 footnote d, quoting from Stapleton, T. Archaeologia XXVI, pp. 358-60.
[559] Orderic Vitalis (Prévost), Vol. II, Liber III, I, p. 13.
[560] Orderic Vitalis (Prévost), Vol. II, p. 13 footnote (2).
[561] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Duchesne, 1619), Liber VII, VII, p. 270.
[562] Chronique de Robert de Torigny I, 1026, p. 34.
[563] CP I 351 footnote d, quoting from Stapleton, T. Archaeologia XXVI, pp. 358-60.
[564] CP I 351 footnote d, quoting from Stapleton, T. Archaeologia XXVI, pp. 358-60.
[565] Orderic Vitalis (Prévost), Vol. II, Liber IV, VII, p. 221.4


; Per Genealogics:
     "Enguerrand was the eldest son of Hugues II, comte de Montreuil, and Berthe d'Aumale. He married Adela of Normandy, a daughter of Robert 'the Devil', duke of Normandy, and sister of Duke William I, the future William the Conqueror. For this he was excommunicated in October 1049 by the Council of Rheims, on grounds of consanguinity, as his sister was married to Guillaume, comte d'Arquens, an uncle of his wife. They had three children of whom Gui I and Hélesende would have progeny.
     "After his father's assassination in November 1052, Enguerrand took over the rule of Ponthieu. In alliance with King Henri I of France, he joined the revolt of Guillaume, comte d'Arquens against his nephew Duke William I. Enguerrand was killed on 25 October 1053 in battle near the château d'Arquens at Saint-Aubin-sur-Scie.
     "Duke William confiscated Aumale after Enguerrand's death and gave it to his widowed sister Adela as a county. Her second marriage was to Lambert, comte de Lens, with whom she had a daughter Judith who would have progeny. After Lambert's death in 1054, about 1060 she married Eudes, comte de Troyes, with whom she had a son Etienne who would have progeny."3 GAV-27. Enguerrand II de Ponthieu comte de Ponthieu, Montruil et Aumale was also known as Enguerrand d’Abbeville seigneur de Tuncq.17

; Per Racines et Histoire (Ponthieu): "Enguerrand II de Ponthieu +X 25/10/1053 (château d’Arques) comte de Montreuil et de Ponthieu (1052), seigneur d’Aumale, comte d’Abbeville (confirme une donation de son père à SaintRiquier faite sur son lit de mort en 1052 : + après 20/11/1052)
ép. Adelais (Adèle, Aelis, Aeliz, Adelheid, Alice) de Normandie, comtesse d’Aumale ° ~1029 + ~1081/86 (fille naturelle de Robert II «Le Diable», duc de Normandie, et d’Arlette (Herleue) de Falaise ; ép. 2) 1053/54 Lambert de Boulogne, comte de Lens ; ép. 3) 1060 Eudes III, comte de Troyes (Blois-Champagne) qui succède comme comte d’Aumale en 1070)"
Per Racines et Histoire (Aumale): "Enguerrand II de Ponthieu ° ~1033 +x 25/10/1053 comte de Ponthieu, Montreuil et Aumale (1052)
ép. Adèle (Adelheid, Alice, Aelis) de Normandie ° ~1029 + ~1082/84 comtesse d’Aumale après la mort de son 1er mari (fille naturelle de Robert II «Le Diable», duc de Normandie, et d’Arlette (Herleue) de Falaise ; soeur de Guillaume «Le Conquérant» ; ép. 2) Lambert de Boulogne, comte de Lens ; ép. 3) Eudes III de Troyes : voir ci-contre.)18,5"

Citations

  1. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Aumale.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Boubers1.pdf, p. 4.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Enguerrand II: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00177490&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfraamp.htm#EnguerrandMontreuildied1053. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs puis comtes d’ Aumale & Aumale (Picardie), p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Aumale.pdf
  6. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfraamp.htm#HuguesPonthieudied1052B
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Berthe d'Aumale: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00177496&tree=LEO
  8. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 130-24, p. 115. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  9. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Normandy page ("Normandy Family"): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/normandy/normandy.html#ARo2
  10. [S1896] Douglas Richardson, "Richardson email 22 June 2005: "Extended Pedigree of Counts of Boulogne-sur-Mer"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/44eb7V2WEXc/m/5ixO37yx3noJ) to e-mail address, 22 June 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Richardson email 22 June 2005."
  11. [S1702] The Henry Project: The ancestors of king Henry II of England, An experiment in cooperative medieval genealogy on the internet (now hosted by the American Society of Genealogists, ASG), online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/prov/richa001.htm. Hereinafter cited as The Henry Project.
  12. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Boulogne.pdf, p. 3.
  13. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adela of Normandy: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00108319&tree=LEO
  14. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Ducs de Normandie, p. 4: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Normandie.pdf
  15. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis AR-7, line 130-24, p. 115: "...slain at the siege of Arques."
  16. [S742] Ed. Antonia Fraser, The Lives of the Kings & Queens of England (revised and updated) (n.p.: University of California Press, Berkely, 1998, unknown publish date).
  17. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Boubers-Abbeville-Tuncq.pdf, p. 2.
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  19. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gui I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00177488&tree=LEO
  20. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hélesinde de Ponthieu: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120721&tree=LEO

Hugues II (?) comte de Ponthieu et de Montreuil, seigneur d'Abbeville, avoué de St-Riquier1,2,3

M, #10717, b. circa 1020, d. 20 November 1052
FatherEnguerrand I "Isembart" (?) comte de Ponthieu et de Montreuil4,5,6,7 b. bt 990 - 995, d. 9 Dec 1045
MotherUnknown (?)8
ReferenceGAV27 EDV27
Last Edited19 Jun 2020
     Hugues II (?) comte de Ponthieu et de Montreuil, seigneur d'Abbeville, avoué de St-Riquier was born circa 1020; Genealogy.EU (Boubers 1, Aumale) say b. ca 1014; Genealogics says b. ca 1020.6,4,5 He married Bertha (?) Dame d'Aumâle, daughter of Guérinfrid/Guerinfroi (?) seigneur d'Aumâle, circa 1032.9,10,5,7
Hugues II (?) comte de Ponthieu et de Montreuil, seigneur d'Abbeville, avoué de St-Riquier died on 20 November 1052; He did not die at Hastings in 1066. Genealogics says d. bef 20 Nov 1052.9,5,6,4
Hugues II (?) comte de Ponthieu et de Montreuil, seigneur d'Abbeville, avoué de St-Riquier was buried after 20 November 1052 at Abbey Church of Saint-Riquier, Saint-Riquier, Departement de la Somme, Picardie, France,

; From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     1003, Saint-Pol-sur-Ternoise, Departement du Pas-de-Calais, Nord-Pas-de-Calais, France
     DEATH     20 Nov 1052 (aged 48–49), Departement de la Somme, Picardie, France
     Hugh II of Ponthieu (died 1052), was count of Ponthieu from 1045 to 1052 and Lord of Aumale. He was the son of Enguerrand I, count of Ponthieu. Around 1020, he married Bertha, daughter and heiress of Guerimfred, Lord of Aumale. From this marriage were born:
** Enguerrand II (died 1052), count of Ponthieu and Lord of Aumale.
** Guy I († 1100), count of Ponthieu.
** Hughes, participating in the battle of Hastings.
** another son, cited by the Chronicle of Saint-Riquier, who could be named Waleran , killed at the battle of Mortemer in 1054.
** daughter, married to William of Normandy, count of Arques.
     He succeeded his father to 1045 and follows the policy of alliance with Normandy initiated by his father. He married his daughter with William of Arques, son of Duke Richard II of Normandy and his son Enguerrand with a sister of Duke William. These alliances are reinforcing with those concluded between the houses of Normandy and Flanders. But the Count did not profit long in his policy, because he was killed a few years later, on November 20, 1052, and buried at the Abbey of Saint-Riquier.
     Family Members
     Spouse
     Bertha, Countess Of Aumale
     Children
     Enguerrand II, Count of Ponthieu unknown–1053
     BURIAL     Abbey church of Saint-Riquier, Saint-Riquier, Departement de la Somme, Picardie, France
     Created by: Mad
     Added: 1 Feb 2013
     Find a Grave Memorial 104496700.11
     ; Per Genealogics:
     “Hugues was the son of Enguerrand I, comte de Montreuil. It is not certain which of his father's wives was his mother.
     “During the lifetime of his father, in 1035 Hugues married Berthe d'Aumale, daughter and heiress of Guérinfrid, sire d'Aumale. They had four sons and a daughter, of whom their eldest son Enguerrand II is recorded with progeny.
     “Hugues strengthened the relationship of his family with the neighbouring Normans through the marriage of Enguerrand with Adela of Normandy, a sister of Duke William I, and by the marriage of his daughter to William's uncle Guillaume, comte d'Arquens.
     “Hugues was assassinated before 20 November in 1052. He was buried in the abbey of Saint-Riquier.”.6

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 3:635.4

; This is the same person as:
”Hugh II, Count of Ponthieu” at Wikipedia and as
”Hugues II de Ponthieu” at Wikipédia (Fr.)12,13 GAV-27 EDV-27. Hugues II (?) comte de Ponthieu et de Montreuil, seigneur d'Abbeville, avoué de St-Riquier was also known as Hugh II (?) Count of Ponthieu.

; Per Med Lands:
     "HUGUES [de Ponthieu], son of ENGUERRAND Comte [de Ponthieu] & his first wife --- (-killed 20 Nov 1052, bur Saint-Riquier). The Chronique de Saint Riquier records that "son fils Hugues" succeeded after the death of "Angelran"[560]. He fought at the Battle of Hastings in 1066 according to the poem Carmen, attributed to his uncle Guy Bishop of Amiens, although the date is inconsistent with his date of death shown here. Comte de Montreuil.
     "m BERTHE d'Aumâle, daughter of GUERINFRID Seigneur d'Aumâle & his wife ---. The foundation charter of Saint-Martin d’Auchy narrates the church’s foundation by “Guerinfrido qui condidit castellum…Albamarla” and names “Engueranni consulis qui filius fuit Berte supradicti Guerinfridi filie et Adelidis comitisse uxoris sue sororis…Willelmi Regis Anglorum”[561]."
Med Lands cites:
[560] Chronique de l'abbaye de Saint-Riquier, IV.XXI, p. 242.
[561] CP I 351 footnote d, quoting from Stapleton, T. Archaeologia XXVI, pp. 358-60.7


; Per Med Lands:
     "BERTHE d'Aumâle . The foundation charter of Saint-Martin d’Auchy narrates the church’s foundation by “Guerinfrido qui condidit castellum…Albamarla” and names “Engueranni consulis qui filius fuit Berte supradicti Guerinfridi filie et Adelidis comitisse uxoris sue sororis…Willelmi Regis Anglorum”[100].
     "m HUGUES [de Ponthieu], son of ENGUERRAND Comte [de Ponthieu] & his first wife --- (-killed 20 Nov 1052, bur Saint-Riquier). Comte de Montreuil. Their children inherited Aumâle."
Med Lands cites: [100] CP I 351 footnote d, quoting from Stapleton, T. Archaeologia XXVI, pp. 358-60.14 He was Comte de Ponthieu between 1045 and 1052.12

Citations

  1. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Aumale.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Boubers1.pdf, p. 4.
  3. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Boubers-Abbeville-Tuncq.pdf, p. 2.
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  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugues II: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00177495&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  7. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfraamp.htm#HuguesPonthieudied1052B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  8. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfraamp.htm#Enguerranddied1045
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    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 130-24, p. 115. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
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  12. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_II,_Count_of_Ponthieu. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  13. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Hugues II de Ponthieu: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugues_II_de_Ponthieu. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  14. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/normacre.htm#BertheAumaleMHuguesPonthieu
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Bertha (?) Dame d'Aumâle1,2

F, #10718, b. circa 1015
FatherGuérinfrid/Guerinfroi (?) seigneur d'Aumâle3,4,5 b. c 970
ReferenceGAV27 EDV27
Last Edited19 Jun 2020
     Bertha (?) Dame d'Aumâle was born circa 1015.1 She married Hugues II (?) comte de Ponthieu et de Montreuil, seigneur d'Abbeville, avoué de St-Riquier, son of Enguerrand I "Isembart" (?) comte de Ponthieu et de Montreuil and Unknown (?), circa 1032.6,7,3,8
Bertha (?) Dame d'Aumâle was buried at Abbey Church of Saint-Riquier, Saint-Riquier, Departement de la Somme, Picardie, France,

; From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     unknown
     DEATH     unknown
     Bertha of Aumale – (c1010 – c1050), French mediaeval heiress. Bertha was the daughter of Guenfroi, Seigneur of Aumale in Normandy. She became the wife (before 1030) of Hugh of Ponthieu (c1010 – 1052) who succeeded his father Enguerrand I as Count Hugh II of Ponthieu and Montreuil (1045 – 1052). Countess Bertha bore her husband at least three children, but it seems unlikely that she survived him. Countess Bertha was interred within the Abbey of St Ricquier. The county of Aumale was later granted (1069) to Bertha’s grandson Eudes III (c1045 – 1118) by his maternal uncle William I the Conqueror of England. Her children were,
1. Enguerrand II (c1030 – 1053 )# 122698824. He succeeded his father as Count of Ponthieu (1052 – 1053) but was killed in battle. His wife Adelaide of Normandy # 122698753 was the sister of William the Conqueror, and they had three children.
2. Adelaide of Ponthieu (c1031 – after 1053). She was married to William I (died after 1053), Count of Arques in Normandy and left issue.
3. Guy I (c1037 – 1100). He succeeded his brother as Count of Ponthieu (1053 – 1100) and was married twice and left descendants. From: A Bit of History

     Family Members
     Spouse
          Hugues II de Ponthieu 1003–1052
     Children
     Enguerrand II, Count of Ponthieu unknown–1053
     BURIAL     Abbey church of Saint-Riquier, Saint-Riquier, Departement de la Somme, Picardie, France
     Created by: relative
     Added: 20 Sep 2016
     Find a Grave Memorial 170258697.9
     ; Per Med Lands:
     "HUGUES [de Ponthieu], son of ENGUERRAND Comte [de Ponthieu] & his first wife --- (-killed 20 Nov 1052, bur Saint-Riquier). The Chronique de Saint Riquier records that "son fils Hugues" succeeded after the death of "Angelran"[560]. He fought at the Battle of Hastings in 1066 according to the poem Carmen, attributed to his uncle Guy Bishop of Amiens, although the date is inconsistent with his date of death shown here. Comte de Montreuil.
     "m BERTHE d'Aumâle, daughter of GUERINFRID Seigneur d'Aumâle & his wife ---. The foundation charter of Saint-Martin d’Auchy narrates the church’s foundation by “Guerinfrido qui condidit castellum…Albamarla” and names “Engueranni consulis qui filius fuit Berte supradicti Guerinfridi filie et Adelidis comitisse uxoris sue sororis…Willelmi Regis Anglorum”[561]."
Med Lands cites:
[560] Chronique de l'abbaye de Saint-Riquier, IV.XXI, p. 242.
[561] CP I 351 footnote d, quoting from Stapleton, T. Archaeologia XXVI, pp. 358-60.8
GAV-27 EDV-27 GKJ-27.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 3:635.4

Reference: Weis [1992:115] Line 130-24.6 Bertha (?) Dame d'Aumâle was also known as Bertha d'Aumâle.

; Per Med Lands:
     "BERTHE d'Aumâle . The foundation charter of Saint-Martin d’Auchy narrates the church’s foundation by “Guerinfrido qui condidit castellum…Albamarla” and names “Engueranni consulis qui filius fuit Berte supradicti Guerinfridi filie et Adelidis comitisse uxoris sue sororis…Willelmi Regis Anglorum”[100].
     "m HUGUES [de Ponthieu], son of ENGUERRAND Comte [de Ponthieu] & his first wife --- (-killed 20 Nov 1052, bur Saint-Riquier). Comte de Montreuil. Their children inherited Aumâle."
Med Lands cites: [100] CP I 351 footnote d, quoting from Stapleton, T. Archaeologia XXVI, pp. 358-60.2

Citations

  1. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Aumale.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
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  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guérinfrid: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00177497&tree=LEO
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    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 130-24, p. 115. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
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  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, NN de Ponthieu: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139689&tree=LEO
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Raoul III de Fougeres Sire de Fougères, Brittany1,2,3,4

M, #10719, b. circa 1198, d. between 24 February 1256 and 1257
FatherGeoffroi I (?) Comte de Fougeres, Brittany2,5,4,6 d. 15 Dec 1212
MotherMathilde/Maud de Porhoët Vicomtesse de Porhoët2,4,5,6
ReferenceEDV21
Last Edited7 Oct 2020
     Raoul III de Fougeres Sire de Fougères, Brittany was born circa 1198.4 He married Isabeau/Isabelle de Craon, daughter of Amauri I de Craon Sénéchal d’Anjou, seigneur de Craon, Chantocé et Ingrande and Jeanne des Roches dame de Sablé, in February 1234;
Her 1st husband.7,2,4,8,5,9,6,10
Raoul III de Fougeres Sire de Fougères, Brittany died between 24 February 1256 and 1257.7,2,1,6
Raoul III de Fougeres Sire de Fougères, Brittany was buried after 24 February 1257 at Savigny-le-Vieux Abbaye, Savigny-le-Vieux, Departement de la Manche, Basse-Normandie, France,

; From Find a Grave:
     BIRTH     unknown
     DEATH     24 Feb 1257
     Family Members
     Children
          Jehanne de Fougères 1238–1274
     BURIAL     Savigny-le-Vieux Abbaye, Savigny-le-Vieux, Departement de la Manche, Basse-Normandie, France
     Created by: Anonymous
     Added: 19 Jul 2014
     Find A Grave Memorial 133029222.1,3,4,11,6
     ; per Ravilious: "Raoul III de Fougeres
Death: 24 Feb 1256[6],[5]
Burial: Savigny abbey[6]
Occ: seigneur de Fougeres
lord of Fougeres (Brittany)[7]
called Raoul II (cf. ES I, Band III Tafel 816[6])
cf. ES I, Band III Tafel 719[6]
Spouse: Isabel de Craon[5]
Birth: aft 1223[6]
Death: aft 15 Jan 1275[6]
Father: Amaury de Craon, sieur de Craon (-1226)
Mother: Jeanne des Roches (-<1241)
Marr: Feb 1234[6]
Children: Jeanne (->1273) [end quote]
Ravilious cites:
1. Paul Theroff, "The House of Champagne-Blois," Paul Theroff's Dynastic Genealogy Files, http://worldroots.com/brigitte/pther_e.html originally found at: worldroots.clicktron.com/brigitte/theroff/.
2. K. R. Potter, ed., "Gesta Stephani," Oxford: The Clarendon Press, 1976.
3. Mike Talbot, "Lusignan and Fougeres," Feb 10, 1999, , additional information and correction from Olivier Cocheril.
4. W. L. Warren, "Henry II," University of California Press, 1973, [English Monarchs Series].
5. Frederick L. Weis (add/corr, Walter L Sheppard Jr.), "Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists," Baltimore: Genealogical Pub. Co.
6. Detlev Schewennicke, "Europäische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, Neue Folge," [ " European Family Trees: Family Trees for the History of European States, New Series " ], Marburg, Germany: Verlag von J. A. Stargardt, 1978-1995 [3rd series], First series by Wilhelm Karl, Prinz zu Isenburg, continued second series by Frank, Baron Freytag von Loringhoven.
7. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," 1910 - [microprint, 1982 (Alan Sutton) ], The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom.
8. Todd A. Farmerie, "De Lusignan/d'Eu," 14 June 1996, , additional comments and input from W. A. Reitwiesner (13 June) and Jim Stevens (2 Nov).
9. "Gazetteer of Markets and Fairs to 1516," http://www.histparl.ac.uk/cmh/gaz/
10. "Ancestors of Edmund de Mortimer," David Utzinger , 4 August 2000.
11. K. J. Allison, ed., "A History of the County of York, East Riding," Oxford: published for the Institute of Historical Research, Oxford Univ. Press, 1969, Vol. III.
12. Chris Phillips, "Re: Burial Place of Roger de Mortimer (d. 1330)," September 15, 2002, paper copy: library of John P. Ravilious, cites CP vol. VIII pp. 436-7; also Cal. Patent Rolls, 1321-4.
13. Jonathan Sumption, "The Hundred Years War," Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press, 1999 (first US pub. in 1991; in Britain, 1990), Vol. I: Trial by Battle.
14. David Williamson, "Brewer's British Royalty," Cassell/Wellington House, 1996.
15. Douglas Richardson, "Mortimer account," November 19, 2002, paper copy: library of John Ravilious, cites sources for history of Mortimer family, including Wigmore chronicle (in Dugdale, Monasticon Anglicanum)."3

; Per Med Lands:
     "RAOUL [III] de Fougères (-24 Feb 1257, bur Sauvigny). His parentage is confirmed by his burial entry (see below). He succeeded his father in 1212 as Seigneur de Fougères. “Fulco Paganelli” gave security to Louis IX King of France on behalf of “Radulpho de Filgeriis nepoti meo” relating to “terram suam in Normannia” by charter dated Mar [1230/31][655]. "Willelmus Paganellus" reached agreement with “Radulphum de Feugeriis nepotem meum” concerning sales of property “in villa de Heudoimesnil” made by “pater meus Fulco Pag. defunctus”, by charter dated 1233[656]. "Herveus vicecomes de Leonia" transferred “villa de Brest et castrum” to “Johannem ducem Brit. et com. Richem.” by charter dated Mar 1239[657]. "Joannes dux Britanniæ comes Richemondiæ" confirmed the agreement between “Radulphus dominus Filgeriarum” and “avunculus noster Petrus de Chemilly” concerning property of which “habebit prædictus Radulphus duas partes et prædictus Petrus et soror uxoris eius tertiam partem” by charter dated Sep 1239[658]. A charter dated Nov 1248 records a third division of the inheritance of “monseignour Eun fils le Comte” between "Raol seigneur de Fougieres, Pierres de Chemillé seigneur de Brochessac et Alienor sa femme, et Ollivier de Montauban et Joanne sa femme", including “quand il avendra que le doaire Margarite qui fut femme monseignor Eun filz le Comte escherra après la mort d´icelle, le hebergement de la Ville Jagu et le Plessix”[659]. The Chronicon Savigniacense records the death "VI Kal Mar" in 1256 (O.S.?) of "Radulphus Dominus Filgeriarum filius Gaufridi Domini Filgeriarum" and his burial at Sauvigny[660].
     "m ISABELLE de Craon, daughter of AMAURY [I] Seigneur de Craon & his wife Jeanne de Roche (after 1223-after 1271). Isabelle was born after the 1223 betrothal of her sister Jeanne, who was then described as "filiam unicam". "Radulfum Fulgerium…et nobilis domina de Sabolio et Credone" agreed the marriage of "dom. Fulgeriarum" and "Isabella filia bonæ memoriæ Amauritii quondam domini Credonii" by charter dated Feb 1233[661]. Her name is confirmed by the Chronicon Savigniacense which records the birth of "Isabella uxorelicti Radulphi filium Iohannem" in 1230[662]. "Isabella de Credonio domina de Castro Josselini, Cogleserum et Agon, Constanciensis diocesis, vidua" donated property to the chapter of Coutances by charter dated 1271[663].
Raoul [III] & his wife had two children:
i) JEAN de Fougères (6 Dec ---- -6 Dec ----). The Chronicon Savigniacense records the birth "die sancti Nicolai" in 1230 of "Isabella uxorelicti Radulphi filium Iohannem" and his death the same day[664]. The year must be incorrect if Isabelle’s birth date is correctly shown above.
ii) JEANNE de Fougères (-after 1273, bur Sauvigny)."

Med Lands cites:
[655] Layettes du Trésor des Chartes, Tome II, 2129, p. 202.
[656] Morice (1742) Preuves, Tome I, col. 880.
[657] Morice (1742) Preuves, Tome I, col. 911.
[658] Morice (1742) Preuves, Tome I, col. 912.
[659] Morice (1742) Preuves, Tome I, col. 933.
[660] Chronicon Savigniacense, Stephani Baluzii Miscellaneorum, Liber II, Collectio Veterum, p. 320.
[661] Bodard de la Jacopière (1872), Renvoi F, p. 599.
[662] Chronicon Savigniacense, Stephani Baluzii Miscellaneorum, Liber II, Collectio Veterum, p. 319.
[663] Broussillon (1893), Tome I, 300, p. 216.6


; Per Wikipedia (Fr.):
     "Raoul III de Fougères (né vers 1204/1207 mort le 24 mars 1256) fut le dernier baron de Fougères de 1212 à 1256.
Biographie
     "Raoul III est le fils de Geoffroy de Fougères et de son épouse. Il succède à son père sous la tutelle de Pierre Mauclerc toutefois pendant la guerre civile de 1230-1235, il ouvre son château de Fougères aux troupes du roi de France venues réprimer la révolte de Pierre de Dreux, alors bailliste du duché et il est fait en 1235 chevalier par le roi Louis IX de France. En 1240 du droit de sa mère Mahaut (morte en 1234) fille aînée de Eudon III de Porhoët, il hérite des 2/3 de la vicomté de Porhoët comprenant: Josselin et son château, Lanouée et sa forêt avec la paroisse de Mohon. Il accompagne ensuite le roi lors de la septième croisade en 12481. il avait épousé Isabelle de Craon qui ne lui donne qu'une fille unique Jeanne. Le 29 janvier 1254, en l'église abbatiale de Savigny, Raoul III marie sa fille unique Jeanne de Fougères à Hugues XII de Lusignan. Il meurt deux ans plus tard le 24 mars 12562.
Notes et références
1. Amédée Guillotin de Corson Les grandes seigneuries de Haute Bretagne (Tome II Territoire d'Ile et Vilaine), réédition Le Livre d'Histoire Paris (1999) (ISBN 2844350313) p. 189
2. Frédéric Morvan La Chevalerie bretonne et la formation de l'armée ducale 1260-1341 Presses Universitaires de Rennes, Rennes 2009 (ISBN 9782753508279) Annexe Généalogie no 19 « Les seigneurs de Fougères »."12

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.), Reference: III 719,816.5 EDV-21 GKJ-22.

; Per Med Lands:
     "ISABELLE de Craon (after 1223-after 1271). Isabelle was born after the 1223 betrothal of her sister Jeanne, who was then described as "filiam unicam" (see above). "Radulfum Fulgerium…et nobilis domina de Sabolio et Credone" agreed the marriage of "dom. Fulgeriarum" and "Isabella filia bonæ memoriæ Amauritii quondam domini Credonii" by charter dated Feb 1233[304]. Her name is confirmed by the Chronicon Savigniacense which records the birth of "Isabella uxorelicti Radulphi filium Iohannem" in 1230[305]. "Isabella de Credonio domina de Castro Josselini, Cogleserum et Agon, Constanciensis diocesis, vidua" donated property to the chapter of Coutances by charter dated 1271[306].
     "m RAOUL [III] Seigneur de Fougères, son of GEOFFROY Seigneur de Fougères & his wife Mathilde de Porhoët (-24 Feb 1257, bur Sauvigny)."
Med Lands cites:
[304] Bodard de la Jacopière (1872), Renvoi F, p. 599.
[305] Chronicon Savigniacense, Stephani Baluzii Miscellaneorum, Liber II, Collectio Veterum, p. 319.
[306] Broussillon (1893), Tome I, 300, p. 216.9

Family

Isabeau/Isabelle de Craon b. a 1223, d. a 15 Jan 1275
Child

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Raoul III de Fougères:
    http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139855&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
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    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 214A-29, p. 179. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
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Isabeau/Isabelle de Craon1,2,3

F, #10720, b. after 1223, d. after 15 January 1275
FatherAmauri I de Craon Sénéchal d’Anjou, seigneur de Craon, Chantocé et Ingrande4,5,1,6,7,8,9 b. c 1170, d. 15 May 1226
MotherJeanne des Roches dame de Sablé4,5,1,10,8,9 b. 1201, d. 28 Sep 1238
ReferenceEDV21
Last Edited7 Oct 2020
     Isabeau/Isabelle de Craon was born after 1223.4,5,2,9,11 She married Raoul III de Fougeres Sire de Fougères, Brittany, son of Geoffroi I (?) Comte de Fougeres, Brittany and Mathilde/Maud de Porhoët Vicomtesse de Porhoët, in February 1234;
Her 1st husband.12,4,1,8,13,9,14,11 Isabeau/Isabelle de Craon married Karon/Caron (ou Carou) de Bodégat before 26 November 1257 at Paris, City of Paris, Île-de-France, France;
Her 2nd husband; Genealogics says m. bef 26 Nov 1257; Racines et Histoire says m. 26 Dec 1257.8,15,11
Isabeau/Isabelle de Craon died after 15 January 1275; Med Lands says d. aft 1271.4,5,2,1,9,11
     ; Per Genealogics:
     "Isabelle was born after 1223, the youngest daughter of Amaury I, sire de Craon, and Jeanne des Roches. Her younger brother Maurice IV married Isabelle de Lusignan, dame de Beauvoir-sur-Mer et de Marcillac, a half-sister of King Henry III of England. Her elder sister Jeanne was betrothed to the three-year old Arthur of Brittany in 1223. Arthur died that same year.
     "By contract of February 1234 Isabelle married Raoul III, sire de Fougères, the son of Geoffroi, seigneur de Fougères, and Mathilde de Porhoët. The château of Fougères in Brittany became their principal residence. Of their two children their daughter Jehanne would have progeny.
     "Isabelle's husband Raoul died on 24 February 1256, and his seigneury of Fougères was inherited by their only surviving child Jehanne who thereafter held the title of _suo jure_ Dame de Fougères. Before 26 November 1257 Isabelle married Karon de Bodégat, but no progeny is recorded. Isabelle died after 15 January 1275."8

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 719.8

; Per Wikipedia:
     "Isabelle de Craon, Dame de Fougères (born 1212), was a French noblewoman, being the daughter of Amaury I, Sire de Craon, a wealthy baron who was the possessor of many lordships in Anjou and Maine. She was the wife of Raoul III, Sire de Fougères, by whom she had one daughter, Jeanne de Fougères, who became the heiress to her father's seigneury.
Family
     "Isabelle was born in 1212, the youngest daughter of Amaury I, Sire de Craon and Jeanne des Roches (c.1195- 28 September 1238).[1] She had a younger brother, Maurice IV, Sire de Craon (1213–1250), who married Isabelle de Lusignan,[1] a half-sister of King Henry III of England by whom he had three children. She had an elder sister, Jeanne who was bethrothed to the three-year-old Arthur of Brittany in 1223. Arthur died that same year, and nothing further is known about Jeanne.
     "Isabelle's paternal grandparents were Maurice II de Craon and Isabelle de Meulan. Her maternal grandparents were Guillaume des Roches, Seneschal of Anjou and Marguerite de Sablé. Being the husband of Jeanne, eldest daughter of Guillaume des Roches, the hereditary seneschalship of Anjou and the vast Sablé barony passed to Isabelle's father upon the death of her maternal grandfather on 15 July 1222. Amaury died in 1226, when Isabelle was fourteen years old.
Marriage and issue
     "On an unknown date sometime before 1230, Isabelle married Raoul III, Sire de Fougères, the son of Geoffrey, Seigneur de Fougères and Mathilde de Porhoet.[1] The marriage was documented in a charter dated February 1233. The chateau of Fougères in Brittany became their principal residence.
     "Together Raoul and Isabelle had:
** Jean de Fougeres (born and died 6 December 1230)
** Jeanne de Fougères, suo jure Dame de Fougères (died after 1273), on 29 January 1254 married Hugh XII of Lusignan, Count of La Marche, Count of Angoulême,[2] by whom she had six children.

     "Isabelle died on an unknown date. Her husband Raoul died on 24 February 1256, and his seigneury of Fougères was inherited by their only surviving child, Jeanne who thereafter held the title of suo jure Dame de Fougères.
References
1. Morvan 2009, p. table 14.
2. Morvan 2009, p. table 19.
Sources
** Morvan, Frederic (2009). La Chevalerie bretonne et la formation de l'armee ducale, 1260-1341 (in French). Presses Universitaires de Rennes."3

; Per Racines et Histoire: "Isabeau (Isabelle) de Craon ° ~1223 + 1275
     ép. 1) 02/1234 Raoul III de Fougères (35) ° ~1198 + 24/07/1257 (ou 24/02/1257 ou 24/11/1256 ?) (fils de Geoffroi, seigneur de Fougères, et de Mahaut de Porhoët)
     ép. 2) 26/12/1257 Caron (ou Carou) de Bodégat, chevalier breton."11 EDV-21 GKJ-22.

Reference: Weis [1992:179] 214A-29.12

; Per Ravilious email [2004]: Isabel de Craon[21]
Birth: aft 1223[2]
Death: aft 15 Jan 1275[2]
ancestry of Isabel de Craon, from AR7, citing Moriarty[21]
cf. ES I, Band III Tafel 816[2]
cf. ES I, Band III Tafel 719[2]
Spouse: Raoul III de Fougeres, seigneur de Fougeres
Death: 24 Feb 1256[2],[21]
Father: Geoffrey de Fougeres (-1212)
Mother: Maud de Porhoet
Marr: Feb 1234[2]
Children: Jeanne (->1273)
Sources:
1. Mike Talbot, "Lusignan and Fougeres," Feb 10, 1999, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, additional information and correction from Olivier Cocheril.
2. Detlev Schewennicke, "Europäische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, Neue Folge," [ " European Family Trees: Family Trees for the History of European States, New Series " ], Marburg, Germany: Verlag von J. A. Stargardt, 1978-1995 [3rd series], First series by Wilhelm Karl, Prinz zu Isenburg, continued second series by Frank, Baron Freytag von Loringhoven.
3. John Gillingham, "Richard I," New Haven: Yale University Press, 1999, 129, 152 (de Camville), Yale English Monarchs series.
4. "Europaische Stammtafeln," per Janko Pavsic, email 1/19/2001 (Vol III.4, tafel 689-690), janko_pavsic@my-deja.com; also jankopavsic@hotmail.com.
5. FranceBalade, "Les Vicomtes de Chateaudun," www.francebalade.com/chartres/ctdunois.htm
6. Ed Mann, "Jean de Brienne," Society of Medieval Genealogy (www.rootsweb.com), 28 Mar 1999 (on GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com).
7. John Carmi Parsons, "Wives of Jean de Brienne (d. 1296)," Sept 4 1998, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, reply from Leo van de Pas, same date.
8. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," 1910 - The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom.
9. John Carmi Parsons, "de Fiennes de la Plaunche," Aug 30, 1998, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, cites the wardrobe account book of Eleanor of Castile, queen of England, 'for the last year of her life (1289-90)', (Parsons, _The Court and Household of Eleanor of Castile in 1290_, [Toronto, 1977], pp. 41-55.)
10. "Gazetteer of Markets and Fairs to 1516," www.histparl.ac.uk/cmh/gaz/
11. "Ancestors of Edmund de Mortimer," David Utzinger UTZ@aol.com, 4 August 2000.
12. "The Sources for the History of Dunamase Castle in the Medieval period," B.J. Hodkinson, URL: http://www.clanomore.com/dunarch.htm, cites CPR 1301-07, p. 33.
13. Douglas Richardson, "Mortimer account," November 19, 2002, paper copy: library of John Ravilious, cites sources for history of Mortimer family, including Wigmore chronicle (in Dugdale, Monasticon Anglicanum).
14. David Williamson, "Brewer's British Royalty," Cassell/Wellington House, 1996.
15. Chris Phillips, "Re: Burial Place of Roger de Mortimer (d. 1330)," September 15, 2002, paper copy: library of John P. Ravilious, cites CP vol. VIII pp. 436-7; also Cal. Patent Rolls, 1321-4.
16. "The Hundred Years War," Jonathan Sumption, Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press, 1999 (first US pub. in 1991; in Britain, 1990), Vol. I: Trial by Battle.
17. Frederick L. Weis, Th. D., "The Magna Carta Sureties, 1215," Baltimore: Gen Pub Co., 5th ed., 1997 (W. L. Sheppard Jr & David Faris).
18. David Faris, "Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth-Century Colonists," Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1999, (2nd edition, 1999).
19. Douglas Richardson, "Plantagenet," Jan 20, 2003, email royalancestry@msn.com.
20. "The Comyns: Robert the Bruce's Rivals, 1212-1314," Alan Young, Tuckwell Press (East Linton, Scotland), 1997.
21. Frederick L. Weis (add/corr, Walter L Sheppard Jr.), "Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists," Baltimore: Genealogical Pub. Co., connection of Isabel de Condet and Hugh Bardolf, as cited by E. Mann, Line 132D-27,-28 in AR7, also, Descendants of Henry I of Germany (10/30/98), Line 157 (Gerberga of Burgundy to Emperor Henry III).
22. Todd A. Farmerie, "De Lusignan/d'Eu," 14 June 1996, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com, additional comments and input from W. A. Reitwiesner (13 June) and Jim Stevens (2 Nov).4

; Per Med Lands:
     "ISABELLE de Craon (after 1223-after 1271). Isabelle was born after the 1223 betrothal of her sister Jeanne, who was then described as "filiam unicam" (see above). "Radulfum Fulgerium…et nobilis domina de Sabolio et Credone" agreed the marriage of "dom. Fulgeriarum" and "Isabella filia bonæ memoriæ Amauritii quondam domini Credonii" by charter dated Feb 1233[304]. Her name is confirmed by the Chronicon Savigniacense which records the birth of "Isabella uxorelicti Radulphi filium Iohannem" in 1230[305]. "Isabella de Credonio domina de Castro Josselini, Cogleserum et Agon, Constanciensis diocesis, vidua" donated property to the chapter of Coutances by charter dated 1271[306].
     "m RAOUL [III] Seigneur de Fougères, son of GEOFFROY Seigneur de Fougères & his wife Mathilde de Porhoët (-24 Feb 1257, bur Sauvigny)."
Med Lands cites:
[304] Bodard de la Jacopière (1872), Renvoi F, p. 599.
[305] Chronicon Savigniacense, Stephani Baluzii Miscellaneorum, Liber II, Collectio Veterum, p. 319.
[306] Broussillon (1893), Tome I, 300, p. 216.9

Citations

  1. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Craon.pdf, p. 4. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
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Amauri I de Craon Sénéchal d’Anjou, seigneur de Craon, Chantocé et Ingrande1,2

M, #10721, b. circa 1170, d. 15 May 1226
FatherMaurice II de Craon seigneur de Craon3,4 b. a 1132, d. 12 Jul 1196
MotherIsabelle (?) de Meulan, dame de Beaumont-Le-Roger5,6,7,3,4 b. c 1147, d. 10 May 1220
ReferenceEDV22
Last Edited7 Oct 2020
     Amauri I de Craon Sénéchal d’Anjou, seigneur de Craon, Chantocé et Ingrande was born circa 1170.1 He married Jeanne des Roches dame de Sablé, daughter of Guillaume des Roches Sénéchal d’Anjou, Maine & Tourain, seigneur de Château-du-Loir and Marguerite (?) de Nevers, dame de Sablé, between 1212 and 1214.8,9,1,10,3,4
Amauri I de Craon Sénéchal d’Anjou, seigneur de Craon, Chantocé et Ingrande died on 15 May 1226; Racines et Histoire, Med Lands, and Weis [1992:179] say d. 15 May 1226; Genealogics says d. 12 May 1226.8,1,3,4
Amauri I de Craon Sénéchal d’Anjou, seigneur de Craon, Chantocé et Ingrande was buried after 15 May 1226 at Abbaye de la Roë, La Roe, Departement de la Mayenne, Pays de la Loire, France,

; From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     unknown, France
     DEATH     12 May 1226
     Family Members
     Parents
          Maurice De Craon unknown–1196
          Isabelle de Beaumont Craon unknown–1220
     BURIAL     Abbaye de la Roë, La Roe, Departement de la Mayenne, Pays de la Loire, France
     Created by: Anonymous
     Added: 21 Sep 2014
     Find A Grave Memorial 136230647.11
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 3:719.3

; Per Wikipedia:
     "Amaury I of Craon (1170–1226), was Lord of Craon, of Chantocé, Ingrandes, Candé, Segré, Duretal, Baugé and of Lude.
Early life and family
     "Amaury I of Craon was the youngest of the three sons of Maurice II de Craon (1132-1196) and Isabelle de Beaumont-le-Roger.[1] He had four sisters of whom Havoise de Craon (1175-1251) was also the eldest child.
     "In 1206, Amaury was given Ploërmel by the King of France, Philip II.[2] By 1207, he succeeded, as Lord of Craon, his brother Maurice III de Craon (1165-1207) who died that year. His other brother, Pierre, an ecclesiastic, was excluded from the title.[3]
     "In 1212, he married Jeanne des Roches, daughter of Seneschal of Anjou, Guillaume des Roches and Marguerite de Sablé.[4] They had:
** Maurice IV of Craon, married Isabelle de Lusignan[4]
** Isabelle, married Raoul III, lord of Fougeres and Porhoet[4]

Military career
     "The 2 July 1214, he fought alongside the future King of France, Louis VIII at the Battle of Roche-au-Moines, which saw a French victory, thanks to the decisive action of his father-in-law, Guillaume des Roches against the English troops of "Jean sans Terre" John, King of England.
     "By November 1218, Amaury had arrived in Toulouse with an army as part of the Albigensian Crusade.[5] He argued with Simon de Montfort as to the disposition of the army and instead of marching the army to the siege of Toulouse, per Montfort's wishes, the army encamped in "New Toulouse".[5] During the siege of Toulouse, Amaury and numerous other nobles openly criticized Montfort's tactics.[6] The siege was lifted a month later following the death of Montfort.[7]
     "In 1222, following the death of Guillaume des Roches, Amaury took the title of sénéchal of Anjou, Maine and Touraine. He was thus confronted with the pretension of Pierre Mauclerc, Peter I, Duke of Brittany, who had his sights on Anjou. In 1223, he seized Châteaubriant and La Guerche-de-Bretagne belonging to the domain of Pouancé, but he could not take the Castle of Pouancé. Alerted, Pierre Mauclerc came to the rescue and surprised Amaury's exhausted troops. Routed, Amaury was taken prisoner. A large ransom was demanded from his subjects for his liberation. Freed the same year, Amaury rejoined the new King Louis VIII at Compiègne.[1]
Death and succession
     "Amaury I died on 2 May 1226. He was buried in La Roë Abbey. His wife, Jeanne des Roches, became guardian of their son Maurice IV de Craon (1213-1250), future Seneschal of Anjou. She took the title of sénéchal of Anjou, Maine and Touraine. In 1227, she rendered homage to the new young King of France; Louis IX, better known under the name of Saint Louis, aged only thirteen years. She retained the role of Seneschal until the end of her days about 1240/1241 when the title passed to her son, Maurice.
See also
** Craon family: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craon_family
Notes and references
1. Galand 2005, p. 64.
2. Painter 1936, p. 471.
3. Cartulaire de Craon, nos 197, 201, 202 et 211-213, 218-230.
4. Morvan 2009, p. table 14.
5. Marvin 2008, p. 282.
6. Marvin 2008, p. 292.
7. Marvin 2008, p. 294-295.
Sources
** Galand, Gérard (2005). Les seigneurs de Châteauneuf-sur-Sarthe en Anjou: de Robert le Fort à la Révolution [The Lords of Châteauneuf-sur-Sarthe in Anjou: from Robert le Fort to the Revolution] (in French). Turquant (Saumurois): éditions Cheminements. ISBN 9782844784025. OCLC 470460091.
** Marvin, Laurence W. (2008). The Occitan War: A Military and Political History of the Albigensian Crusade, 1209-1218. Cambridge University Press.
** Morvan, Frederic (2009). La Chevalerie bretonne et la formation de l'armee ducale, 1260-1341 (in French). Presses Universitaires de Rennes.
** Painter, Sidney (1936). "Documents on the History of Brittany in the Time of St. Louis". Speculum. The University of Chicago Press. Vol. 11, No. 4 Oct.: 470-472.
External links
"Généalogie d'Amaury Ier de Craon". Retrieved 10 April 2011. [dead link 18 March 2020]
"Généalogie des rois de France" [Genealogy of the Kings of France] (in French). Retrieved 11 February 2013. [dead link 18 March 2020]"12

; Per Racines et Histoire: "Amauri 1er de Craon ° ~1170 + 12 ou 15/05/1226 seigneur de Craon, Chantocé et Ingrande et des fiefs anglais de Barne, Walton et Ham, Sénéchal héréditaire d’Anjou (1214-1222) de Touraine et du Maine, X contre Pierre de Dreux «Mauclerc», duc de Bretagne, fait prisonnier (jusqu’en 1223, par rançon)
     ép. ~1212/14 Jeanne des Roches, dame de Sablé, Briolé et Châteauneuf-sur-Sarthe + 02/1241 (fille aînée de Guillaume des Roches, seigneur de Sablé, Sénéchal héréditaire d’Anjou, Touraine et Maine, et de Marguerite, dame de Sablé.)13" EDV-22 GKJ-23. Amauri I de Craon Sénéchal d’Anjou, seigneur de Craon, Chantocé et Ingrande was also known as Amaury I de Craon Sire de Craon.3,4

; Per Med Lands:
     "AMAURY [I] (-15 May 1226). "Mauritius de Credone filius Hugonis" appointed "meæ uxoris Isabel" as guardian of his lands and his children in his undated testament, in which he named his sons "Mauritium et Amauricum…Petrus…qui futurus est clericus" and provided for their inheritance of his lands in the order "Mauritius…Petrus…Amauricius"[265]. The Gesta Guillelmi Majoris Andegavensis Episcopi names “Amauricus filius primogenitus et heres nobilis viri Domini Mauricii Domini de Credonio et de Brioleto, puer undecim annorum vel circa”, undated[266]. Maurice Seigneur de Craon donated property to Chaloché, with the approval of "Isabelle sa mère…Pierre et Amaury ses frères", by charter dated 1207[267]. Seigneur de Craon. "Amauricus dominus Credensis, junior filius Mauricii de Credone" donated property to Roë, for the soul of "Mauricii de Credone fratris mei primogeniti", and records another donation “defuncto...postea Petro de Credone...fratre meo”, by charter dated 1216, recorded in a vidimus dated 1241[268]. "Amaurricus dominus de Credonio" donated property to Craon Bonshommes by charter dated 1217[269]. The Chronicon Turonense Magnum records that "Amorricus de Credone" succeeded "in senescallia" after the death in 1222 of "Guillelmus de Rupibus senescallus Andigavensis", whose daughter he had married[270]. "Amaury de Craon et Jeanne de Roches, Geoffroy de Châteaudun et Clémence des Roches" confirmed the donation of revenue made to Bonlieu abbey by “Guillaume des Roches et Marguerite de Sablé” by charter dated [16/31] Jul 1222[271]. "M[argarita] domina Sabolii [...quondam uxor domini Guillelmi], Amauricus de Credone senescallus Andegavensis [...Johenna uxore mea], G[aufridus] vicecomes Castriduni [...de assensu...Clementiæ uxoris meæ]" confirmed exemptions granted to the inhabitants of Cohémon by “dominus noster bonæ memoriæ G[uillelmus] de Rupibus seneschallus Andegavensis” by charter dated 1222 [after 15 Jul][272]. “Amalricus de Credonio” noted that Louis VIII King of France granted him property of “dominus meus Guillelmus de Ruppibus senescallus Andegavensis” by charter dated Aug 1223[273]. "Amauricus de Credone" confirmed donations to Craon Bonshommes made by "domino Mauricio bone memorie patre meo et a domina Isabelle matre mea et a fratre meo Mauricio" by charter dated Jun 1224[274]. The Chronicon Savigniacensis Monasterii records the death in 1226 of "Amalricus de Creon, senescallus Angliæ [Andegaviæ]"[275]. The obituary of Craon Bonshommes records the death 15 May of "dominus Amauricus de Credone senescallus Andegavensis", recording his donation to the monastery which is noted above[276].
     "m ([1212]) JEANNE des Roches, daughter of GUILLAUME des Roches Seneschal d’Anjou & his second wife Marguerite de Sablé (-28 Sep 1238). King Philippe II confirmed a charter dated 1218 under which “Guillaume des Roches sénéchal d’Anjou partant pour l’Albigeois” established the rights in his succession of “Jeanne et Clémence ses deux autres [“autres” a mistake?] filles”, with the consent of “Marguerite de Sablé sa femme et d’Amauri de Craon mari de sa fille aînée”, by charter dated Mar 1219, which specifies that the former would receive Sablé, Briollai, Châteauneuf-sur-Sarthe, Précigné et Brion and the latter Château-du-Loir, Maiet, la Suze and Louplande[277]. "Amorricus de Credone et Johanna uxor eius et Clementia quondam comitis Blesensis" ratified the division of his fiefs made by "pater noster Guillelmus de Rupibus senescalus Andegavensis de consensu…matris nostre Margarite de Sabolio uxoris sue" by charter dated May 1219[278]. "Amaury de Craon et Jeanne de Roches, Geoffroy de Châteaudun et Clémence des Roches" confirmed the donation of revenue made to Bonlieu abbey by “Guillaume des Roches et Marguerite de Sablé” by charter dated [16/31] Jul 1222[279]. "M[argarita] domina Sabolii [...quondam uxor domini Guillelmi], Amauricus de Credone senescallus Andegavensis [...Johenna uxore mea], G[aufridus] vicecomes Castriduni [...de assensu...Clementiæ uxoris meæ]" confirmed exemptions granted to the inhabitants of Cohémon by “dominus noster bonæ memoriæ G[uillelmus] de Rupibus seneschallus Andegavensis” by charter dated 1222 [after 15 Jul][280]. “Johanna de Credona, Andegavie senescalla” did homage to Louis IX King of France for “senescaltia Andegavie, Cenomannie et Turonie…bone memorie Guillelmus de Ruppibus, genitor noster…tenuit” by charter dated 27 Jan 1226[281]. She succeeded her father as Seneschale d’Anjou. The Chronicon Savigniacense records the death "IV Kal Oct" in 1238 of "Iohanna uxor Amalrici de Creon"[282].
     "Amaury [I] & his wife had three children."
Med Lands cites:
[265] Bodard de la Jacopière (1872), Renvoi E2, p. 596, quoting Coll. Housseau, Vol. VI, no. 2135.
[266] Gesta Guillelmi Majoris Andegavensis Episcopi, Spicilegium II, p. 172.
[267] Broussillon (1893), Tome I, 201, p. 131, citing Bibliothèque Nationale, Fonds français, 22450, f. 320, 321.
[268] Broussillon (1893), Tome I, 233, p. 158.
[269] Craon Bonshommes, XIV, p. 16.
[270] Chroniques de Touraine, Chronicon Turonense Magnum, p. 153.
[271] Château-du-Loir, 140, p. 104.
[272] Château-du-Loir, 142, p. 104.
[273] Layettes du Trésor des Chartes II, 1594, p. 10.
[274] Craon Bonshommes, XVII, p. 18.
[275] Ex Chronico Savigniacensis Monasterii, RHGF XVIII, p. 352.
[276] Craon Bonshommes, Obituaire, p. 109.
[277] Delisle (1856), 1885, p. 415.
[278] Broussillon (1893), Tome I, 242 bis, p. 162.
[279] Château-du-Loir, 140, p. 104.
[280] Château-du-Loir, 142, p. 104.
[281] Layettes du Trésor des Chartes II, 1915, p. 117.
[282] Chronicon Savigniacense, Stephani Baluzii Miscellaneorum, Liber II, Collectio Veterum, p. 319.4


; Per Med Lands:
     "JEANNE des Roches (-28 Sep 1238). King Philippe II confirmed a charter dated 1218 under which “Guillaume des Roches sénéchal d’Anjou partant pour l’Albigeois” established the rights in his succession of “Jeanne et Clémence ses deux autres [“autres” a mistake?] filles”, with the consent of “Marguerite de Sablé sa femme et d’Amauri de Craon mari de sa fille aînée”, by charter dated Mar 1219, which specifies that the former would receive Sablé, Briollai, Châteauneuf-sur-Sarthe, Précigné et Brion and the latter Château-du-Loir, Maiet, la Suze and Louplande[406]. "Amorricus de Credone et Johanna uxor eius et Clementia quondam comitis Blesensis" ratified the division of his fiefs made by "pater noster Guillelmus de Rupibus senescalus Andegavensis de consensu…matris nostre Margarite de Sabolio uxoris sue" by charter dated May 1219[407]. "Amaury de Craon et Jeanne de Roches, Geoffroy de Châteaudun et Clémence des Roches" confirmed the donation of revenue made to Bonlieu abbey by “Guillaume des Roches et Marguerite de Sablé” by charter dated [16/31] Jul 1222[408]. "M[argarita] domina Sabolii [...quondam uxor domini Guillelmi], Amauricus de Credone senescallus Andegavensis [...Johenna uxore mea], G[aufridus] vicecomes Castriduni [...de assensu...Clementiæ uxoris meæ]" confirmed exemptions granted to the inhabitants of Cohémon by “dominus noster bonæ memoriæ G[uillelmus] de Rupibus seneschallus Andegavensis” by charter dated 1222 [after 15 Jul][409]. “Johanna de Credona, Andegavie senescalla” did homage to Louis IX King of France for “senescaltia Andegavie, Cenomannie et Turonie…bone memorie Guillelmus de Ruppibus, genitor noster…tenuit” by charter dated 27 Jan 1226[410]. She succeeded her father as Seneschale d’Anjou. The Chronicon Savigniacense records the death "IV Kal Oct" in 1238 of "Iohanna uxor Amalrici de Creon"[411].
     "m ([1212]) AMAURY [I] de Craon, son of MAURICE [II] Seigneur de Craon & his wife Isabelle de Meulan (-15 May 1226)."
Med Lands cites:
[406] Delisle (1856), 1885, p. 415.
[407] Broussillon (1893), Tome I, 242 bis, p. 162.
[408] Château-du-Loir, 140, p. 104.
[409] Château-du-Loir, 142, p. 104.
[410] Layettes du Trésor des Chartes II, 1915, p. 117.
[411] Chronicon Savigniacense, Stephani Baluzii Miscellaneorum, Liber II, Collectio Veterum, p. 319.14

Family

Jeanne des Roches dame de Sablé b. 1201, d. 28 Sep 1238
Children

Citations

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Jeanne des Roches dame de Sablé1,2

F, #10722, b. 1201, d. 28 September 1238
FatherGuillaume des Roches Sénéchal d’Anjou, Maine & Tourain, seigneur de Château-du-Loir3,4,2,5,6,7 b. bt 1165 - 1170, d. 15 Jul 1222
MotherMarguerite (?) de Nevers, dame de Sablé4,2,5,8 b. c 1175, d. bt 20 Jul 1238 - 1 Dec 1246
ReferenceEDV22
Last Edited7 Oct 2020
     Jeanne des Roches dame de Sablé was born in 1201.2 She married Amauri I de Craon Sénéchal d’Anjou, seigneur de Craon, Chantocé et Ingrande, son of Maurice II de Craon seigneur de Craon and Isabelle (?) de Meulan, dame de Beaumont-Le-Roger, between 1212 and 1214.9,4,1,2,10,11
Jeanne des Roches dame de Sablé died on 28 September 1238; Ravilious email 2004 says d. bef Feb 1241; Med Lands says d. 28 Sep 1238; Genealogics says d. abt 1237/Feb 1241.4,5,12
     ; Per Med Lands:
     "AMAURY [I] (-15 May 1226). "Mauritius de Credone filius Hugonis" appointed "meæ uxoris Isabel" as guardian of his lands and his children in his undated testament, in which he named his sons "Mauritium et Amauricum…Petrus…qui futurus est clericus" and provided for their inheritance of his lands in the order "Mauritius…Petrus…Amauricius"[265]. The Gesta Guillelmi Majoris Andegavensis Episcopi names “Amauricus filius primogenitus et heres nobilis viri Domini Mauricii Domini de Credonio et de Brioleto, puer undecim annorum vel circa”, undated[266]. Maurice Seigneur de Craon donated property to Chaloché, with the approval of "Isabelle sa mère…Pierre et Amaury ses frères", by charter dated 1207[267]. Seigneur de Craon. "Amauricus dominus Credensis, junior filius Mauricii de Credone" donated property to Roë, for the soul of "Mauricii de Credone fratris mei primogeniti", and records another donation “defuncto...postea Petro de Credone...fratre meo”, by charter dated 1216, recorded in a vidimus dated 1241[268]. "Amaurricus dominus de Credonio" donated property to Craon Bonshommes by charter dated 1217[269]. The Chronicon Turonense Magnum records that "Amorricus de Credone" succeeded "in senescallia" after the death in 1222 of "Guillelmus de Rupibus senescallus Andigavensis", whose daughter he had married[270]. "Amaury de Craon et Jeanne de Roches, Geoffroy de Châteaudun et Clémence des Roches" confirmed the donation of revenue made to Bonlieu abbey by “Guillaume des Roches et Marguerite de Sablé” by charter dated [16/31] Jul 1222[271]. "M[argarita] domina Sabolii [...quondam uxor domini Guillelmi], Amauricus de Credone senescallus Andegavensis [...Johenna uxore mea], G[aufridus] vicecomes Castriduni [...de assensu...Clementiæ uxoris meæ]" confirmed exemptions granted to the inhabitants of Cohémon by “dominus noster bonæ memoriæ G[uillelmus] de Rupibus seneschallus Andegavensis” by charter dated 1222 [after 15 Jul][272]. “Amalricus de Credonio” noted that Louis VIII King of France granted him property of “dominus meus Guillelmus de Ruppibus senescallus Andegavensis” by charter dated Aug 1223[273]. "Amauricus de Credone" confirmed donations to Craon Bonshommes made by "domino Mauricio bone memorie patre meo et a domina Isabelle matre mea et a fratre meo Mauricio" by charter dated Jun 1224[274]. The Chronicon Savigniacensis Monasterii records the death in 1226 of "Amalricus de Creon, senescallus Angliæ [Andegaviæ]"[275]. The obituary of Craon Bonshommes records the death 15 May of "dominus Amauricus de Credone senescallus Andegavensis", recording his donation to the monastery which is noted above[276].
     "m ([1212]) JEANNE des Roches, daughter of GUILLAUME des Roches Seneschal d’Anjou & his second wife Marguerite de Sablé (-28 Sep 1238). King Philippe II confirmed a charter dated 1218 under which “Guillaume des Roches sénéchal d’Anjou partant pour l’Albigeois” established the rights in his succession of “Jeanne et Clémence ses deux autres [“autres” a mistake?] filles”, with the consent of “Marguerite de Sablé sa femme et d’Amauri de Craon mari de sa fille aînée”, by charter dated Mar 1219, which specifies that the former would receive Sablé, Briollai, Châteauneuf-sur-Sarthe, Précigné et Brion and the latter Château-du-Loir, Maiet, la Suze and Louplande[277]. "Amorricus de Credone et Johanna uxor eius et Clementia quondam comitis Blesensis" ratified the division of his fiefs made by "pater noster Guillelmus de Rupibus senescalus Andegavensis de consensu…matris nostre Margarite de Sabolio uxoris sue" by charter dated May 1219[278]. "Amaury de Craon et Jeanne de Roches, Geoffroy de Châteaudun et Clémence des Roches" confirmed the donation of revenue made to Bonlieu abbey by “Guillaume des Roches et Marguerite de Sablé” by charter dated [16/31] Jul 1222[279]. "M[argarita] domina Sabolii [...quondam uxor domini Guillelmi], Amauricus de Credone senescallus Andegavensis [...Johenna uxore mea], G[aufridus] vicecomes Castriduni [...de assensu...Clementiæ uxoris meæ]" confirmed exemptions granted to the inhabitants of Cohémon by “dominus noster bonæ memoriæ G[uillelmus] de Rupibus seneschallus Andegavensis” by charter dated 1222 [after 15 Jul][280]. “Johanna de Credona, Andegavie senescalla” did homage to Louis IX King of France for “senescaltia Andegavie, Cenomannie et Turonie…bone memorie Guillelmus de Ruppibus, genitor noster…tenuit” by charter dated 27 Jan 1226[281]. She succeeded her father as Seneschale d’Anjou. The Chronicon Savigniacense records the death "IV Kal Oct" in 1238 of "Iohanna uxor Amalrici de Creon"[282].
     "Amaury [I] & his wife had three children."
Med Lands cites:
[265] Bodard de la Jacopière (1872), Renvoi E2, p. 596, quoting Coll. Housseau, Vol. VI, no. 2135.
[266] Gesta Guillelmi Majoris Andegavensis Episcopi, Spicilegium II, p. 172.
[267] Broussillon (1893), Tome I, 201, p. 131, citing Bibliothèque Nationale, Fonds français, 22450, f. 320, 321.
[268] Broussillon (1893), Tome I, 233, p. 158.
[269] Craon Bonshommes, XIV, p. 16.
[270] Chroniques de Touraine, Chronicon Turonense Magnum, p. 153.
[271] Château-du-Loir, 140, p. 104.
[272] Château-du-Loir, 142, p. 104.
[273] Layettes du Trésor des Chartes II, 1594, p. 10.
[274] Craon Bonshommes, XVII, p. 18.
[275] Ex Chronico Savigniacensis Monasterii, RHGF XVIII, p. 352.
[276] Craon Bonshommes, Obituaire, p. 109.
[277] Delisle (1856), 1885, p. 415.
[278] Broussillon (1893), Tome I, 242 bis, p. 162.
[279] Château-du-Loir, 140, p. 104.
[280] Château-du-Loir, 142, p. 104.
[281] Layettes du Trésor des Chartes II, 1915, p. 117.
[282] Chronicon Savigniacense, Stephani Baluzii Miscellaneorum, Liber II, Collectio Veterum, p. 319.11


; Per Ravilious email [2004]: "Jeanne des Roches[21]
Death: bef Feb 1241[2]
'Jeanne, Dame du Chateau-du-Loir' [ES III, Tafel 690[2]]
Spouse: Amaury de Craon, sieur de Craon
Death: 12 May 1226[21]
Father: Maurice II de Craon (-1196)
Mother: Isabel de Meulan (-1220)
Marr: bef 1214[2]
Children: Maurice IV (-<1250), sieur de Craon
Jeanne (-1234)
Isabel (>1223->1275)
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Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 3:690, 719.12

; Per Genealogics:
     "Jeanne was born about 1195, the eldest daughter of Guillaume des Roches, seneschal of Anjou, and Marguerite, dame de Sablé.
     "On an unknown date before 1214, Jeanne married Amaury I, sire de Craon, the son of Maurice II, sire de Craon, and Isabelle de Meulan. Jeanne's mother-in-law Isabelle was also her maternal great-grandmother, as her daughter Clémence from her first marriage to Geoffroy II, sire de Mayenne, was the mother of Jeanne's mother Marguerite.
     "Upon her father's death on 15 July 1222, Jeanne as the eldest surviving child succeeded to the seneschalship on Anjou, as well as to his vast lordships which included Sablé, La Suze, Briollay, Mayet, Loupeland, Châteauneuf-sur-Sarte, Genneteil, Precigné, and the Norman manor of Agon. Jeanne did homage to King Louis IX of France for _Senescaltia Andegavie, Cenomannie et Turonie...bone memorie Guillmus de Ruppiebus, genitor noster...tenuit_ in a charter dated 27 January 1226.
     "The seneschalship of Anjou passed to her husband Amaury in her name, as well as the vast Sablé barony. Jeanne and Amaury had three children, of whom Isabelle and Maurice IV would have progeny; he married Isabelle de Lusignan, half-sister of King Henry III of England.
     "Jeanne died on 28 September 1238, twelve years after her husband."12 EDV-22 GKJ-23.

Reference: Weis [1992:179], line 214A-29.9

; Per Med Lands:
     "JEANNE des Roches (-28 Sep 1238). King Philippe II confirmed a charter dated 1218 under which “Guillaume des Roches sénéchal d’Anjou partant pour l’Albigeois” established the rights in his succession of “Jeanne et Clémence ses deux autres [“autres” a mistake?] filles”, with the consent of “Marguerite de Sablé sa femme et d’Amauri de Craon mari de sa fille aînée”, by charter dated Mar 1219, which specifies that the former would receive Sablé, Briollai, Châteauneuf-sur-Sarthe, Précigné et Brion and the latter Château-du-Loir, Maiet, la Suze and Louplande[406]. "Amorricus de Credone et Johanna uxor eius et Clementia quondam comitis Blesensis" ratified the division of his fiefs made by "pater noster Guillelmus de Rupibus senescalus Andegavensis de consensu…matris nostre Margarite de Sabolio uxoris sue" by charter dated May 1219[407]. "Amaury de Craon et Jeanne de Roches, Geoffroy de Châteaudun et Clémence des Roches" confirmed the donation of revenue made to Bonlieu abbey by “Guillaume des Roches et Marguerite de Sablé” by charter dated [16/31] Jul 1222[408]. "M[argarita] domina Sabolii [...quondam uxor domini Guillelmi], Amauricus de Credone senescallus Andegavensis [...Johenna uxore mea], G[aufridus] vicecomes Castriduni [...de assensu...Clementiæ uxoris meæ]" confirmed exemptions granted to the inhabitants of Cohémon by “dominus noster bonæ memoriæ G[uillelmus] de Rupibus seneschallus Andegavensis” by charter dated 1222 [after 15 Jul][409]. “Johanna de Credona, Andegavie senescalla” did homage to Louis IX King of France for “senescaltia Andegavie, Cenomannie et Turonie…bone memorie Guillelmus de Ruppibus, genitor noster…tenuit” by charter dated 27 Jan 1226[410]. She succeeded her father as Seneschale d’Anjou. The Chronicon Savigniacense records the death "IV Kal Oct" in 1238 of "Iohanna uxor Amalrici de Creon"[411].
     "m ([1212]) AMAURY [I] de Craon, son of MAURICE [II] Seigneur de Craon & his wife Isabelle de Meulan (-15 May 1226)."
Med Lands cites:
[406] Delisle (1856), 1885, p. 415.
[407] Broussillon (1893), Tome I, 242 bis, p. 162.
[408] Château-du-Loir, 140, p. 104.
[409] Château-du-Loir, 142, p. 104.
[410] Layettes du Trésor des Chartes II, 1915, p. 117.
[411] Chronicon Savigniacense, Stephani Baluzii Miscellaneorum, Liber II, Collectio Veterum, p. 319.5

Citations

  1. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Craon.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Craon.pdf, p. 10.
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  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Marguerite: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00122083&tree=LEO
  9. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 214A-29, p. 179. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Amaury I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00124693&tree=LEO
  11. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/anjounob.htm#AmauryICraondied1226
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  14. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Jeanne de Craon: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00295208&tree=LEO
  15. [S2016] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 15 Dec 2005: "Breaute and Geneville ancestry: King Stephen of England"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 15 Dec 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 15 Dec 2005."
  16. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Isabelle de Craon: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139856&tree=LEO
  17. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/anjounob.htm#IsabelleCraonMRaoulIIFougeres
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Geoffroi I (?) Comte de Fougeres, Brittany1

M, #10723, d. 15 December 1212
FatherGuillaume/William de Fougères2,3,4 d. 7 Jun 1187
MotherAgatha du Hammet2,5,4 d. 1180
ReferenceEDV22
Last Edited7 Oct 2020
     Geoffroi I (?) Comte de Fougeres, Brittany married Mathilde/Maud de Porhoët Vicomtesse de Porhoët, daughter of Eudo/Eudes/Eudon/Eon II (?) vicomte de Porhoët, Duc de Bretagne and Jeanne/Aliénor de Léon, in 1204.6,1,7
Geoffroi I (?) Comte de Fougeres, Brittany died on 15 December 1212; Weis [AR7] line 214A-28 says d. 15 Dec 1212; Rohan 1 page says d. 1222.6,1,2
     EDV-22 GKJ-23.

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Rohan 1 page - Family de Rohan: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/rohan/rohan1.html
  2. [S2016] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 15 Dec 2005: "Breaute and Geneville ancestry: King Stephen of England"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 15 Dec 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 15 Dec 2005."
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guillaume de Fougères: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00293983&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/brittnpr.htm#GuillaumeFougeresdied1187. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Agatha de Hommet: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00293984&tree=LEO
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    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 214A-28, p. 179. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mathilde de Porhoët: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139855&tree=LEO
  8. [S1557] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 21 Jan 2004: "Companions of the Third Crusade (was Re: Crusader ancestors (long)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 21 Jan 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 21 Jan 2004."
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Raoul III de Fougères: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139855&tree=LEO
  10. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Craon.pdf, p. 4. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  11. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/brittnpr.htm#RaoulIIIFougeresdied1256

Mathilde/Maud de Porhoët Vicomtesse de Porhoët1,2,3

F, #10724
FatherEudo/Eudes/Eudon/Eon II (?) vicomte de Porhoët, Duc de Bretagne b. c 1110, d. c 1185; van de Pas (citing ES and Turton) place her as dau. of Eudo III. Ravilious reassigns her as dau of Eudo II "...based on chronology of the family, placed here as more likely a daughter of Eudo II"2,4,3,1
MotherJeanne/Aliénor de Léon3
ReferenceEDV22
Last Edited7 Oct 2020
     Mathilde/Maud de Porhoët Vicomtesse de Porhoët married Geoffroi I (?) Comte de Fougeres, Brittany, son of Guillaume/William de Fougères and Agatha du Hammet, in 1204.4,2,1
     ; per Ravilious: [quote] Maud de Porhoet [5], a daughter of Eudo III of Porhoet according to M. Talbot[3]

based on chronology of the family, placed here as more likely a daughter of Eudo II

Spouse: Geoffrey de Fougeres
Death: 15 Dec 1212[5]
Father: Guillaume de Fougeres, seigneur de Fougeres (-1187)
Mother: Agatha de Hummet

Children: Raoul III (-1256)) [end quote]

Ravilious cites:
1. Paul Theroff, "The House of Champagne-Blois," Paul Theroff's Dynastic Genealogy Files, http://worldroots.com/brigitte/pther_e.html originally found at: worldroots.clicktron.com/brigitte/theroff/.
2. K. R. Potter, ed., "Gesta Stephani," Oxford: The Clarendon Press, 1976.
3. Mike Talbot, "Lusignan and Fougeres," Feb 10, 1999, , additional information and correction from Olivier Cocheril.
4. W. L. Warren, "Henry II," University of California Press, 1973, [English Monarchs Series].
5. Frederick L. Weis (add/corr, Walter L Sheppard Jr.), "Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists," Baltimore: Genealogical Pub. Co.
6. Detlev Schewennicke, "Europäische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, Neue Folge," [ " European Family Trees: Family Trees for the History of European States, New Series " ], Marburg, Germany: Verlag von J. A. Stargardt, 1978-1995 [3rd series], First series by Wilhelm Karl, Prinz zu Isenburg, continued second series by
Frank, Baron Freytag von Loringhoven.
7. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," 1910 - [microprint, 1982 (Alan Sutton) ], The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom.
8. Todd A. Farmerie, "De Lusignan/d'Eu," 14 June 1996, , additional comments and input from W. A. Reitwiesner (13 June) and Jim Stevens (2 Nov).
9. "Gazetteer of Markets and Fairs to 1516," http://www.histparl.ac.uk/cmh/gaz/
10. "Ancestors of Edmund de Mortimer," David Utzinger , 4 August 2000.
11. K. J. Allison, ed., "A History of the County of York, East Riding," Oxford: published for the Institute of Historical Research, Oxford Univ. Press, 1969, Vol. III.
12. Chris Phillips, "Re: Burial Place of Roger de Mortimer (d. 1330)," September 15, 2002, paper copy: library of John P. Ravilious, cites CP vol. VIII pp. 436-7; also Cal. Patent Rolls, 1321-4.
13. Jonathan Sumption, "The Hundred Years War," Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press, 1999 (first US pub. in 1991; in Britain, 1990), Vol. I: Trial by Battle.
14. David Williamson, "Brewer's British Royalty," Cassell/Wellington House, 1996.
15. Douglas Richardson, "Mortimer account," November 19, 2002, paper copy: library of John Ravilious, cites sources for history of Mortimer family, including Wigmore chronicle (in Dugdale, Monasticon Anglicanum).3

; van de Pas cites: 1. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.), Reference: X 13
2. The Plantagenet Ancestry, Baltimore, 1975 , Turton, Lt.Col. W. H., Reference: 82.1 EDV-22 GKJ-23.

; Weis [AR7] line 214A-28.4

Family

Geoffroi I (?) Comte de Fougeres, Brittany d. 15 Dec 1212
Child

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mathilde de Porhoët: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139855&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Rohan 1 page - Family de Rohan: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/rohan/rohan1.html
  3. [S2016] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 15 Dec 2005: "Breaute and Geneville ancestry: King Stephen of England"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 15 Dec 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 15 Dec 2005."
  4. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 214A-28, p. 179. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  5. [S1557] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 21 Jan 2004: "Companions of the Third Crusade (was Re: Crusader ancestors (long)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 21 Jan 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 21 Jan 2004."
  6. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Craon.pdf, p. 4. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Raoul III de Fougères: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139855&tree=LEO
  8. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/brittnpr.htm#RaoulIIIFougeresdied1256. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Eudo/Eudon III (?) Comte de Porhoët1

M, #10725, d. 1239
FatherEudo/Eudes/Eudon/Eon II (?) vicomte de Porhoët, Duc de Bretagne1,2,3 b. c 1110, d. c 1185
MotherBertha de Cornouailles Duchess of Brittany1 b. c 1114, d. 1156
Last Edited17 May 2020
     Eudo/Eudon III (?) Comte de Porhoët died in 1239; Weis [AR7] line 214A-28 says d. 1239; Rohan 1 page says d. 1234.4,1

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Rohan 1 page - Family de Rohan: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/rohan/rohan1.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Eudon II: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00046740&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/brittnpr.htm#EudesPorhoetdied1170. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 214A-28, p. 179. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.

Guillaume/William de Fougères1

M, #10726, d. 7 June 1187
FatherRaoul II de Fougères Seigneur de Fougères2,3 d. 1194
MotherJeanne/Mathilde (?)2,3
ReferenceEDV23
Last Edited7 Oct 2020
     Guillaume/William de Fougères married Agatha du Hammet, daughter of Guillaume II du Hommet and Lucy de Brus?;
Her 1st husband.4,5,3
Guillaume/William de Fougères died on 7 June 1187.4,6,2,3
     EDV-23.

Reference: Genealogics cites:The Plantagenet Ancestry, Baltimore, 1975 , Turton, Lt.Col. W. H. 82.3

; Per Med Lands:
     "GUILLAUME de Fougères, son of RAOUL [II] Seigneur de Fougères & his wife Mathilde --- (-7 Jun 1187). "Radulfus Fulgeriensis dominus et fratres mei Fransgalo et Guillelmus et Robertus et filii mei Juhelli et Guillelmus" donated property to Sauvigny by charter dated 1163[660]. The Chronicon Savigniacensis Monasterii records the death "VII Id Jun" in 1187 of "Willelmus filius Radulfi Filgeriarum"[661].
     "m as her first husband, AGATHA du Hommet, daughter of [RICHARD du Hommet & his wife Agnes de Say]. Her first marriage and parentage are confirmed by the Chronicon Savigniacensis Monasterii which records the death "XVIII Kal Jul" in 1212 of "Gaufridus dominus Filgeriarum, filius Willelmi et Agathæ, filiæ Willelmi de Humeto"[662]. The primary source which confirms that Richard was her father has not yet been identified, but from a chronological point of view this appears likely to be correct. She married secondly Fulk [II] Paynel[663]. Her second marriage is indicated by the charter dated Mar [1230/31] under which “Fulco Paganelli” gave security to Louis IX King of France on behalf of “Radulpho de Filgeriis nepoti meo” relating to “terram suam in Normannia”[664]."
Med Lands cites:
[660] Morice (1742) Preuves, Tome I, col. 588.
[661] Ex Chronico Savigniacensis Monasterii, RHGF, Tome XVIII, p. 351.
[662] Ex Chronico Savigniacensis Monasterii, RHGF, Tome XVIII, p. 351.
[663] Domesday Descendants (2002), p. 522.
[664] Layettes du Trésor des Chartes, Tome II, 2129, p. 202.2


; Per Weis: "William de Fougères, d. 7 June 1187, m. Agatha, dau. of william du Hummet, d. 1180, seigneur of Le Hommet in NOrmandy, constable of Normandy, by wife Lucy. (Hatrton, cit; Moriarty).“.7

; Per Med Lands:
     "[AGATHA du Hommet . Her first marriage and parentage are confirmed by the Chronicon Savigniacensis Monasterii which records the death "XVIII Kal Jul" in 1212 of "Gaufridus dominus Filgeriarum, filius Willelmi et Agathæ, filiæ Willelmi de Humeto"[776]. The primary source which confirms that Richard was her father has not yet been identified, but from a chronological point of view this appears likely to be correct. Her second marriage is indicated by the charter dated Mar [1230/31] under which “Fulco Paganelli” gave security to Louis IX King of France on behalf of “Radulpho de Filgeriis nepoti meo” relating to “terram suam in Normannia”[777].
     "m firstly GUILLAUME de Fougères, son of RAOUL [II] Seigneur de Fougères & his wife Mathilde --- (-7 Jun 1187).
     "m secondly FULK [II] Paynel[778], son of FULK [I] Paynell of Hambye & his wife Lesceline de Subligny (-after 25 Jun 1215).] "
Med Lands cites:
[776] Ex Chronico Savigniacensis Monasterii, RHGF XVIII, p. 351.
[777] Layettes du Trésor des Chartes, Tome II, 2129, p. 202.8

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Clémence de Fougères: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00178111&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/brittnpr.htm#GuillaumeFougeresdied1187. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
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    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 214A-27, pp. 178-9. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Agatha de Hommet: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00293984&tree=LEO
  6. [S2016] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 15 Dec 2005: "Breaute and Geneville ancestry: King Stephen of England"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 15 Dec 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 15 Dec 2005."
  7. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis AR-7, p. 178, Line 214A-27.
  8. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/normabc.htm#AgathaHommetM1GuillaumeFougeres
  9. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 50, CHESTER 7:ii. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  10. [S1656] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 18 June 2004: "Re: CP - ES correction needed?"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 18 June 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 18 June 2004."

Agatha du Hammet

F, #10727, d. 1180
FatherGuillaume II du Hommet1,2 d. a 1213
MotherLucy de Brus?3,2
ReferenceEDV23
Last Edited7 Oct 2020
     Agatha du Hammet married Guillaume/William de Fougères, son of Raoul II de Fougères Seigneur de Fougères and Jeanne/Mathilde (?);
Her 1st husband.4,2,5
Agatha du Hammet died in 1180.4 She married Fulk II Paynell, son of Fulk I Paynell Hambye and Bréhal, Normandy and Drax, Yorkshire, after June 1187;
His 2nd wife; her 2nd husband. Her 1nst husband d. 7 Jun 1187.6,7,2
     ; Per Weis: "William de Fougères, d. 7 June 1187, m. Agatha, dau. of william du Hummet, d. 1180, seigneur of Le Hommet in NOrmandy, constable of Normandy, by wife Lucy. (Hatrton, cit; Moriarty).“.8

; Per Med Lands:
     "GUILLAUME de Fougères, son of RAOUL [II] Seigneur de Fougères & his wife Mathilde --- (-7 Jun 1187). "Radulfus Fulgeriensis dominus et fratres mei Fransgalo et Guillelmus et Robertus et filii mei Juhelli et Guillelmus" donated property to Sauvigny by charter dated 1163[660]. The Chronicon Savigniacensis Monasterii records the death "VII Id Jun" in 1187 of "Willelmus filius Radulfi Filgeriarum"[661].
     "m as her first husband, AGATHA du Hommet, daughter of [RICHARD du Hommet & his wife Agnes de Say]. Her first marriage and parentage are confirmed by the Chronicon Savigniacensis Monasterii which records the death "XVIII Kal Jul" in 1212 of "Gaufridus dominus Filgeriarum, filius Willelmi et Agathæ, filiæ Willelmi de Humeto"[662]. The primary source which confirms that Richard was her father has not yet been identified, but from a chronological point of view this appears likely to be correct. She married secondly Fulk [II] Paynel[663]. Her second marriage is indicated by the charter dated Mar [1230/31] under which “Fulco Paganelli” gave security to Louis IX King of France on behalf of “Radulpho de Filgeriis nepoti meo” relating to “terram suam in Normannia”[664]."
Med Lands cites:
[660] Morice (1742) Preuves, Tome I, col. 588.
[661] Ex Chronico Savigniacensis Monasterii, RHGF, Tome XVIII, p. 351.
[662] Ex Chronico Savigniacensis Monasterii, RHGF, Tome XVIII, p. 351.
[663] Domesday Descendants (2002), p. 522.
[664] Layettes du Trésor des Chartes, Tome II, 2129, p. 202.9


; Per Steward email:
     ""Peter Stewart" wrote in message
news:ib9m11$123$1@news.eternal-september.org...
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     "I checked this further, because it puzzled me that Keats-Rohan is not alone in making Agatha a daughter rather than granddaughter of Richard du Hommet, and consequently a sister rather than daughter of his son William.
     "Several other historians who have touched on this in recent years seem to think her paternity important enough to mention, but not to verify. Opinion is divided, but not as a matter of controversy since they don't appear to have noticed the discrepancy - Nicholas Vincent [in 'Twyford under the Bretons 1066-1250', *Nottingham Medieval Studies* 41 (1997)] and Jörg Peltzer [in 'Portchester, les évêques d'Avranches et les Hommet (1100-1230)', *Annales de Normandie* 56 (2006)] both agree with Keats-Rohan in making Agatha the daughter of Richard, whereas Daniel Power [in 'Henry, Duke of the Normans (1149/50-1189)', *Henry II: New Interpretations*, edited by Christopher Harper-Bill & Nicholas Vincent (Woodbridge, 2007)] made her the daughter of William; oddly, Frédéric Morvan [in 'Les seigneurs de Fougères du milieu du XIIe au milieu du XIVe siècle', *Bulletin et mémoires de la Société d'histoire et d'archéologie du pays de Fougères* 41 (2003)] made her the daughter of someone who is not otherwise known to history, a "Raoul du Hommet, qui était le beau-père de Guillaume de Fougères". None of them cited evidence to prove the relationship.
     "I suspect that Keats-Rohan took her information from Vincent's 1997 article. At any rate she clearly did not undertake careful research into the career of Richard du Hommet - she says that he "first occurs at a composition between Robert, earl of Gloucester, and the bishop of Bayeux at Devizes in 1146", but perhaps she means "first occurs as constable of Normandy..." since he was named before this in a letter from Pope Innocent II, dated 18 June written in 1142 or 1143 [*Antiquus cartularius ecclesiæ Baiocensis (Livre noir)*, edited by Victeur Bourrienne, 2 vols (Rouen & Paris, 1902-1903) vol. 1 pp. 241-2 no.195], ratifying the sentence passed on him for interfering with possessions of the dioces of Bayeux. In the same entry Keats-Rohan mistitled *Étude sur la baronnie et l'abbaye d'Aunay-sur-Odon* and misnamed the author, Gaston Le Hardy, as "L. Harding".
     "The chronicle of Savigny was compiled well after Agatha's time, but using records that were presumably contemporary. In any event it is at best sloppy to retain dates of deaths, etc, given in this chronicle while contradicting it about the name of her father. He was consistently given as William in the literature from at least the early 18th century onwards, until Vincent's 1997 article as far as I can tell. The only direct evidence that I can find that is independent of the chronicle is a charter in which William called Agatha's son Geoffrey de Fougères his "nepos" - Vincent translated this as "nephew", without dicsussing the point, but obviously the term could just as well mean "grandson".
     "The chronology is not definitive but seems to support the probability that Agatha was William's daughter, as recorded at Savigny, and not his sister.
     "Richard du Hommet had retired as a monk at Aunay a year and a half before his death in 1181 according to Robert de Torigni. Since he was an adult by 1142/43 he was perhaps 60+ when he died. William occurs along with his father as witness to an undated charter written between 1155 and 1165 [see Round, *Calendar of Documents...*, p. 439 no. 1215], and he died not long after 13 November 1205 when he joined (along with Agatha's husband Fulk Paynel) in a notification issued at Rouen (ibid p. 476 no. 1318, see *Trésor des chartes* vol. 1 p. 296 no. 785: "...et ego Fulco Paenel, et ego Guillelmus de Homez"].
     "William's son Jordan was bishop of Lisieux from January 1202, so was presumably born by 1172. Agatha was apparently not much, if at all, older. She had two children by her first husband, who died on 7 June 1187, and at least five by her second husband including a daughter Lucy (the name of William's wife).
     "The appears to be no good reason to discredit the statement in the chronicle of Savigny that she was William's daughter.
Peter Stewart”.1

Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. The Plantagenet Ancestry, Baltimore, 1975 , Turton, Lt.Col. W. H. 82.
2. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 14:136.2
Agatha du Hammet was also known as Agathe du Hommet.10 EDV-23.

; Per Med Lands:
     "[AGATHA du Hommet . Her first marriage and parentage are confirmed by the Chronicon Savigniacensis Monasterii which records the death "XVIII Kal Jul" in 1212 of "Gaufridus dominus Filgeriarum, filius Willelmi et Agathæ, filiæ Willelmi de Humeto"[776]. The primary source which confirms that Richard was her father has not yet been identified, but from a chronological point of view this appears likely to be correct. Her second marriage is indicated by the charter dated Mar [1230/31] under which “Fulco Paganelli” gave security to Louis IX King of France on behalf of “Radulpho de Filgeriis nepoti meo” relating to “terram suam in Normannia”[777].
     "m firstly GUILLAUME de Fougères, son of RAOUL [II] Seigneur de Fougères & his wife Mathilde --- (-7 Jun 1187).
     "m secondly FULK [II] Paynel[778], son of FULK [I] Paynell of Hambye & his wife Lesceline de Subligny (-after 25 Jun 1215).] "
Med Lands cites:
[776] Ex Chronico Savigniacensis Monasterii, RHGF XVIII, p. 351.
[777] Layettes du Trésor des Chartes, Tome II, 2129, p. 202.11

; Per Med Lands:
     "FULK [II] Paynell (-after 25 Jun 1215). “Fulcodius Paganellus” donated property to Tykford Priory by undated charter, witnessed by “Gervasius Paganellus et uxor eius comitissa Isabella et Robertus Paganellus eorum filius, et Willielmus Paganellus prædicti Fulcodii frater…”[159]. “Gervasius Paganellus” donated property to Tykford Priory, with the consent of “uxoris meæ Isabellæ comitissæ de Norhamton”, by charter dated 1187 which names “Fulcodius Paganellus avus meus et Radulfus Paganellus pater meus”, witnessed by “Simone comite Northamptoniæ, Isabella comitissa matre eius…Fulcone Paganello, Wilielmo fratre eius…Wilielmo Paganello et Bernardo filio eius…”[160]. King John pardoned "Fulcon Painell" and agreed the marriage between "filium eius Willelmum" and "filia Radi Teysum primogenitam" by charter dated 25 Jun 1215[161].
     "m firstly CECILE Taisson, daughter of JOURDAIN Taisson & his wife Leticie ---. "Letitia de Sancto Salvatore, qui fui uxor Jordani Tesson" donated property to the abbey of Hambie, witnessed by "Jordano Tesson filio meo, Roberto de Monte acuto milite, Letitia filia mea uxore Fulconis Paganelli"[162].
     "m secondly (after Jun 1187) as her second husband, AGATHA du Hommet, widow of GUILLAUME de Fougères, daughter of [RICHARD du Hommet & his wife Agnes de Say]. Her first marriage and parentage are confirmed by the Chronicon Savigniacensis Monasterii which records the death "XVIII Kal Jul" in 1212 of "Gaufridus dominus Filgeriarum, filius Willelmi et Agathæ, filiæ Willelmi de Humeto"[163]. The primary source which confirms that Richard was her father has not yet been identified, but from a chronological point of view this appears likely to be correct. Her second marriage is indicated by the charter dated Mar [1230/31] under which “Fulco Paganelli” gave security to Louis IX King of France on behalf of “Radulpho de Filgeriis nepoti meo” relating to “terram suam in Normannia”[164].
     "Fulk [II] & his second wife had five children:
a) FULK [Foulques] [III] Paynell (-after 1248).
b) LUCIE Paynell.
c) WILLIAM Paynell ([after 1200?]-before Jun 1254).
d) JOHN Paynell .
e) JOHN Paynell (-after 1248)."

Med Lands cites:
[159] Dugdale Monasticon V, Tykford Priory, Buckinghamshire, IV, p. 204.
[160] Dugdale Monasticon V, Tykford Priory, Buckinghamshire, II, p. 203.
[161] Duffus Hardy, T. (ed.) (1837) Rotuli Chartarum in Turri Londinensi, Vol. I, Part I 1199-1216 (London) ("Rotuli Chartarum"), 16 John, p. 207.
[162] Delisle (1867), p. 35, citing Cartulaire de Hambie, n. 170.
[163] Ex Chronico Savigniacensis Monasterii, RHGF XVIII, p. 351.
[164] Layettes du Trésor des Chartes, Tome II, 2129, p. 202.6

Family 2

Fulk II Paynell d. a 25 Jun 1215
Child

Citations

  1. [S4786] Peter Stesart, "SocGenMed email thread: "Agatha de Hommet"," e-mail message from <e-mail address> (https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/soc.genealogy.medieval/odo$20de$20bayeux%7Csort:date/soc.genealogy.medieval/wgrfjBvtAnw/tQVAZE8uZSwJ) to soc.genealogy.medieval (Google Groups), 8 Nov 2010, https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/soc.genealogy.medieval/du$20hommet%7Csort:date/soc.genealogy.medieval/BjgZvP_ueVg/nIDmbbbRHlMJ. Hereinafter cited as "Stewart email 8 Nov 2010 "Agatha de Hommet.""
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Agatha de Hommet: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00293984&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/normabc.htm#GuillaumeHommetMLucy. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 214A-27, pp. 178-9. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guillaume de Fougères: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00293983&tree=LEO
  6. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/normabc.htm#FulkPaynelldiedafter1215
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Fulk II de Paynel: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00073236&tree=LEO
  8. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis AR-7, p. 178, Line 214A-27.
  9. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/brittnpr.htm#GuillaumeFougeresdied1187
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Clémence de Fougères: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00178111&tree=LEO
  11. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/normabc.htm#AgathaHommetM1GuillaumeFougeres
  12. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 50, CHESTER 7:ii. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  13. [S1656] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 18 June 2004: "Re: CP - ES correction needed?"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 18 June 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 18 June 2004."
  14. [S2016] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 15 Dec 2005: "Breaute and Geneville ancestry: King Stephen of England"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 15 Dec 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 15 Dec 2005."
  15. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/normabc.htm#LucePaynellMAndreVitre

Denise d'Avranches1

F, #10728
Last Edited26 Jul 2020

Citations

  1. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/normabc.htm#_Toc38177813. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Lucy de Brus?1

F, #10729
ReferenceGAV24 EDV24
Last Edited26 Jul 2020
     Lucy de Brus? married Guillaume II du Hommet, son of Richard du Hommet Connétable de Normandie and NN du Hommet.2,3
     ; Per Weis: "William de Fougères, d. 7 June 1187, m. Agatha, dau. of william du Hummet, d. 1180, seigneur of Le Hommet in NOrmandy, constable of Normandy, by wife Lucy. (Hatrton, cit; Moriarty).“.4 GAV-24 EDV-24.

; Per Med Lands:
     "LUCY . Her family origin is indicated by the following document: a charter dated 1232, recording donations to the monks of Saint-Sauveur-le-Vicomte residing at the priory of la Luthumière, states that “Guillaume du Hommet concessionnaire de la Luthumière” had married “Luce, héritière des biens d’Adam de Bruys, son aïeul”[985]. "Lucia de Humetis" donated revenue from land at Bradecroft, near Stamford to Southwick priory, Lincolnshire, for the souls of "domini mei Willelmi de Humetis et Ricardi filii mei", by charter dated to the late 12th century, witnessed by "Jordano de Humetis, Ricardo de Humetis, Baudewino Wac…Bartholomeo de Mortuo mari..:Willelmo de Sae, Henrico de Humetis fratre suo…"[986]. “Lucia uxor domini Willielmi de Humet constabularii domini regis” donated "terra mea de Bradecrofd" to Stanford Nunnery, with the consent of "domini mei Willielmi et Ricardi filii mei", by undated charter witnessed by "Jordano de Humet, Ricardo de Humet, Willielmo de Sae, Henrico fratre suo…"[987]. “Willelmus de Humeto domini regis constabularius” donated “totam terram meam in Lengronia” to Aulnay Sainte-Marie, with the consent of “filiorum meorum...Richardi de Humeto et Willelmi et Henrici et Jordani et Thomæ et Enguerranni”, for the souls of “meæ, patris et matris meæ et Luciæ uxoris meæ”, by charter dated 1190[988]. It is unclear from the wording of this document whether Lucy was alive or deceased at the time.
     "m GUILLAUME [I] du Hommet Connétable de Normandie, son of RICHARD [du Hommet] Connétable de Normandie & his [first wife --- du Hommet] (-after 1213)."
Med Lands cites:
[985] Gerville, M. de ‘Anciens châteaux de l’arrondissement de Valognes’, Mémoires de la Société des Antiquaires de la Normandie, 1824, Première partie (Caen/Paris 1825), p. 242, citing “V. mon répertoire in-fol., p. 172”. [information provided by Kim Derrick in a private email dated 18 Oct 2016]
[986] Stenton, F. M. (ed.) (1920) Documents illustrative of the social and economic history of the Danelaw from various collections (London) ("Stenton (Danelaw, 1920)"), Southwick, 441, p. 325.
[987] Dugdale Monasticon IV, Stanford Nunnery, Lincolnshire, XV, p. 262.
[988] Gallia Christiana, Tome XI, Instrumenta, XXVI, col. 90.1


; Per Med Lands:
     "GUILLAUME [II] du Hommet, son of RICHARD [du Hommet] Connétable de Normandie & his [first wife --- du Hommet] (-after 1213). “Ricardus de Humet constabularius regis Angliæ” confirmed the foundation of Aulnay, including donations made by “Jordani de Saio et Luciæ uxoris eius” and by himself and “Agnetis uxoris meæ et filiorum meorum Willelmi, Enguerrani et Jordani”, by undated charter[780]. Robert of Torigny names "Guillermum, Enjorannum, Jordanum" as the sons and heirs of "Richardus de Humet constabularius regis" when recording his death[781]. ["Guillelmus de Humeto" [identified as Guillaume [II] du Hommet?] confirmed the donation to Bayeux of the church of Hérils made by "Roberti de Novo Burgo" by charter dated 1166, witnessed by "…Ricardo de Humeto…" [his father?][782].] Henry II King of England confirmed the possessions of the abbey of Aunay, including donations by "Richardi de Humetis et Agnetis uxoris sue, filie et heredis predicti Jordani" with the agreement of "Guillelmi de Humetis et Engerranni et Jordani filiorum suorum", by charter dated to [1181/89][783]. Connétable de Normandie. Henry II King of England confirmed "Willelmo de Humetis constabulariam meam" in his office previously held by "Ricardus de Humetis pater suus" by charter dated 1180[784]. “Willelmus de Humeto domini regis constabularius” donated “totam terram meam in Lengronia”, except land held from him by “Gervasia de Saeio sicut de primogenito et...Jordanus de Maisnillo et...Willelmus Cotele”, to Aulnay Sainte-Marie, with the consent of “filiorum meorum...Richardi de Humeto et Willelmi et Henrici et Jordani et Thomæ et Enguerranni”, for the souls of “meæ, patris et matris meæ et Luciæ uxoris meæ”, by charter dated 1190[785]. The Red Book of the Exchequer, listing scutage payments in [1194/95], names "Willelmus de Homez" paying "xx s, i militem" in Hampshire[786]. "Willelmus de Humeto constabularius Normanniæ" donated half the church of Louvières to Bayeux, in the presence of "Jordano filio meo episcopo Lexoviensi", by charter dated to [1202/05], which names "Ricardi patris mei"[787]. “Willielmus de Humeth” donated property to Stanford Nunnery, confirmed by King John by charter dated 22 Nov [1199/1205][788]. Guillaume du Hommet donated property to the priory of Sainte-Marguerite de Vignats, in the presence of “Thomas du Hommet his son and of William du Hommet his grandson”, by charter dated to 1204 or before[789]. Guillaume du Hommet granted to Roger de Saint-Lo “the chapel of Sainte Catherine, in the parish of Le Desert” including rent which “Guillelmus de Humeto constabularius avus meus” had donated before he married his daughter to “Ricardo” (“antequam filiam suam maritasset Ricardo”), by charter dated 1213[790]. The document quoted above, in the list of Querimoniæ Normannorum dated 1247, records that “dictus Willelmus” [indicating Guillaume [II] du Hommet] died “MCCXI tercio, circa Ascensionem Domini”[791], a date which is inconsistent with the 1213 charter quoted above.
     "m LUCY, daughter of ---. "Lucia de Humetis" donated revenue from land at Bradecroft, near Stamford to Southwick priory, Lincolnshire, for the souls of "domini mei Willelmi de Humetis et Ricardi filii mei", by charter dated to the late 12th century, witnessed by "Jordano de Humetis, Ricardo de Humetis, Baudewino Wac…Bartholomeo de Mortuo mari..:Willelmo de Sae, Henrico de Humetis fratre suo…"[792]. Her family origin is indicated by the following document: a charter dated 1232, recording donations to the monks of Saint-Sauveur-le-Vicomte residing at the priory of la Luthumière, states that “Guillaume du Hommet concessionnaire de la Luthumière” had married “Luce, héritière des biens d’Adam de Bruys, son aïeul”[793]. “Lucia uxor domini Willielmi de Humet constabularii domini regis” donated "terra mea de Bradecrofd" to Stanford Nunnery, with the consent of "domini mei Willielmi et Ricardi filii mei", by undated charter witnessed by "Jordano de Humet, Ricardo de Humet, Willielmo de Sae, Henrico fratre suo…"[794]. “Willelmus de Humeto domini regis constabularius” donated “totam terram meam in Lengronia” to Aulnay Sainte-Marie, with the consent of “filiorum meorum...Richardi de Humeto et Willelmi et Henrici et Jordani et Thomæ et Enguerranni”, for the souls of “meæ, patris et matris meæ et Luciæ uxoris meæ”, by charter dated 1190[795]. It is unclear from the wording of this document whether Lucy was alive or deceased at the time. "
Med Lands cites:
[780] Gallia Christiana, Tome XI, Instrumenta, XXIV, col. 88.
[781] Robert de Torigny, Vol. II, 1181, p. 93.
[782] Bayeux (Livre noir), Tome I, CV, p. 128.
[783] Actes Henri II, Tome II, DCCXLV, p. 379.
[784] Actes Henri II, Tome II, DXLIX, p. 126.
[785] Gallia Christiana, Tome XI, Instrumenta, XXVI, col. 90.
[786] Red Book Exchequer, Part I, Anno VI regis Ricardi, ad redemptionem eius, scutagium ad XXs, p. 91.
[787] Bayeux (Livre noir), Tome I, CXXI, p. 147.
[788] Dugdale Monasticon IV, Stanford Nunnery, Lincolnshire, VIII, p. 261.
[789] Rotuli Scaccarii Normanniæ, Vol. II, p. clxxxii, (no citation reference).
[790] Rotuli Scaccarii Normanniæ, Vol. II, pp. clxxxi-clxxxii, (no citation reference).
[791] RHGF, Tome XXIV, Querimoniæ Normannorum, 1, p. 2.
[792] Stenton (Danelaw, 1920), Southwick, 441, p. 325.
[793] Gerville ‘Anciens châteaux de l’arrondissement de Valognes’ (1825), p. 242, citing “V. mon répertoire in-fol., p. 172”. [information provided by Kim Derrick in a private email dated 18 Oct 2016]
[794] Dugdale Monasticon IV, Stanford Nunnery, Lincolnshire, XV, p. 262.
[795] Gallia Christiana, Tome XI, Instrumenta, XXVI, col. 90.3

Family

Guillaume II du Hommet d. a 1213
Children

Citations

  1. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTLAND.htm#LucyMGuillaumeHommet. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  2. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 214A-27, pp. 178-9. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  3. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/normabc.htm#GuillaumeHommetMLucy
  4. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis AR-7, p. 178, Line 214A-27.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Agatha de Hommet: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00293984&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.

Raoul II de Fougères Seigneur de Fougères1,2

M, #10730, d. 1194
FatherHenri I de Fougères Seigneur de Fougères3 d. 1154
MotherOlive (?) de Bretagne, de Penthievre
ReferenceEDV24
Last Edited7 Oct 2020
     Raoul II de Fougères Seigneur de Fougères married Jeanne/Mathilde (?), daughter of Geldouin I (?) Seigneur of Dol.4
Raoul II de Fougères Seigneur de Fougères died in 1194.4
     EDV-24.

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Beaumont 5 page (The Sires de Beaumont-le-Roger): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/beaumont/beaumont5.html
  2. [S2077] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 3 June 2006: "Re: Brittany was Re: William de Mohun's (d Oct 1193) ancestors," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 3 June 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 3 June 2006."
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/brittnpr.htm#HenriFougeresdied1154B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 214A-26, p. 178. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  5. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/brittnpr.htm#GuillaumeFougeresdied1187
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guillaume de Fougères: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00293983&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  7. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bertran.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  8. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/brittnpr.htm#MargueriteFougereM1GBertrandM2WaleranIII

Jeanne/Mathilde (?)1

F, #10731
FatherGeldouin I (?) Seigneur of Dol
ReferenceEDV24
Last Edited7 Oct 2020

Citations

  1. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bertran.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  2. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 214A-26, p. 178. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/brittnpr.htm#GuillaumeFougeresdied1187. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guillaume de Fougères: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00293983&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  5. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Beaumont 5 page (The Sires de Beaumont-le-Roger): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/beaumont/beaumont5.html
  6. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/brittnpr.htm#MargueriteFougereM1GBertrandM2WaleranIII

Geldouin I (?) Seigneur of Dol

M, #10732
ReferenceEDV25
Last Edited7 Oct 2020
     EDV-25.

Family

Child

Citations

  1. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 214A-26, p. 178. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.

Henri I de Fougères Seigneur de Fougères1

M, #10733, d. 1154
FatherRaoul I de Fougères Seigneur de Fougères2,3,4
MotherAvice de Clare2,4
ReferenceEDV25
Last Edited7 Oct 2020
     Henri I de Fougères Seigneur de Fougères married Olive (?) de Bretagne, de Penthievre, daughter of Etienne I (?) Comte de Tréguier et de Lamballe, Lord of Richmond and Hawise (Hedwig) (?) de Guincamp;
Her 1st husband.5,1,4
Henri I de Fougères Seigneur de Fougères died in 1154.5,1,4
     EDV-25.

; Per Med Lands:
     "HENRI de Fougères, son of RAOUL [I] Seigneur de Fougères & his wife --- (-1154). Guillaume de Jumièges records that "Richardum”, son of “Gislebertus...filius Godefridi comitis Aucensis”, had two daughters of whom one married “Rodulfo de Telegeriis” by whom she had “Fransualo, Henricus et Robertus Giffard”[610]. "Radulfus Filgeriensis" with "his wife Avitia" donated property to the abbey of Holy Trinity, Sauvigny by charter dated 7 Mar 1113, subscribed by "Maino-franswalo filius eius, Henricus et Robertus similiter filii eius…"[611]. He succeeded his brother as Seigneur de Fougères. The 1130 Pipe Roll records "Henr de Filger" in Wiltshire[612]. He became a monk at Sauvigny in 1150[613].
     "m as her first husband, OLIVE de Penthièvre, daughter of ETIENNE [I] Comte de Penthièvre & his wife Havise de Guingamp. "Radulfus Filgeriensis dominus" founded Rillé abbey, confirming donations made by "Aufredus de Filgeriis et Maino proavus meus et Aaledis uxor sua et Radulfus avus meus...Henricus pater meus" to Fougères, with the consent of “fratribus meis Frangalo et Guillermo”, by undated charter, which also records a donation made by “Oliva mater mea”[614]. Her two marriages are confirmed by the charter dated 1174 under which "Olive daughter of Count Stephen" donated the church of Bennington to the abbey of Sauvigny, with the consent of "Guillelmus de Sancto Johanne maritus meus and Ralf de Filgeriis and her other sons"[615]. She married secondly, as his first wife, Guillaume Seigneur de Saint-Jean.
     "Henri & his wife had five children."
Med Lands cites:
[610] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Duchesne, 1619), Liber VIII, XXXVII, p. 312.
[611] Round (1899) 792, p. 287.
[612] Pipe Roll 31 Hen I (1129/30), Wiltshire, p. 23.
[613] Domesday Descendants (2002), p. 461.
[614] Morice (1742) Preuves, Tome I, col. 606.
[615] Round (1899), 848, p. 305.4

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Bretagne 3 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/bretagne/bretagne3.html
  2. [S2077] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 3 June 2006: "Re: Brittany was Re: William de Mohun's (d Oct 1193) ancestors," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 3 June 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 3 June 2006."
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/brittnpr.htm#RaoulIFougeresdied1124. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/brittnpr.htm#HenriFougeresdied1154B
  5. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 214A-25, p. 178. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.

Olive (?) de Bretagne, de Penthievre1

F, #10734
FatherEtienne I (?) Comte de Tréguier et de Lamballe, Lord of Richmond1,2 b. c 1060, d. 21 Apr 1136
MotherHawise (Hedwig) (?) de Guincamp1,3 d. a 1134
ReferenceEDV25
Last Edited7 Oct 2020
     Olive (?) de Bretagne, de Penthievre married Henri I de Fougères Seigneur de Fougères, son of Raoul I de Fougères Seigneur de Fougères and Avice de Clare;
Her 1st husband.4,1,5 Olive (?) de Bretagne, de Penthievre married William de St. John, son of Roger de St. John and Cecily de la Haie; her 2nd husband.4,1,6
     EDV-25.

Family 1

William de St. John d. b 1195

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Bretagne 3 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/bretagne/bretagne3.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Etienne I|Stephen: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00293976&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hawisa: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00293977&tree=LEO
  4. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 214A-25, p. 178. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  5. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/brittnpr.htm#HenriFougeresdied1154B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  6. [S2077] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 3 June 2006: "Re: Brittany was Re: William de Mohun's (d Oct 1193) ancestors," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 3 June 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 3 June 2006."

William de St. John

M, #10735, d. before 1195
FatherRoger de St. John1 d. c 1130
MotherCecily de la Haie1
Last Edited8 Sep 2014
     William de St. John married Olive (?) de Bretagne, de Penthievre, daughter of Etienne I (?) Comte de Tréguier et de Lamballe, Lord of Richmond and Hawise (Hedwig) (?) de Guincamp; her 2nd husband.2,3,1
William de St. John died before 1195; dsp; Raavilious cites: 12. K. S. B. Keats-Rohan, "Domesday Descendants," The Boydell Press,
Woodbridge, 2002, cited by Rosie Bevan, 'Re: de Stuteville'
Jul 2, 2002, p. 723 (Osmund de Stuteville), full title: Domesday
Descendants: A Prosopography of Persons, Occurring in English
Documents 1066-1166: Pipe Rolls to Cartae Baronum.1
     William de St. John was also known as Guillaume de Saint Jean.3

Citations

  1. [S2077] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 3 June 2006: "Re: Brittany was Re: William de Mohun's (d Oct 1193) ancestors," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 3 June 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 3 June 2006."
  2. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 214A-25, p. 178. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  3. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Bretagne 3 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/bretagne/bretagne3.html

Philippa Lovel1,2,3

F, #10736, d. 15 May 1465
FatherSir John Lovel Knt., 6th Lord Lovel of Titchmarsh, Lord Holand4,2,3,5 b. c 1378, d. 19 Oct 1414
MotherAlianor/Eleanor La Zouche1,2,3
Last Edited3 Jan 2009
     Philippa Lovel married Sir John de Dynham Knt., Lord Dinham of Hartland, Devon, son of Sir John de Dinham Knt., of Hartland, Devon and Muriel de Courtenay, after 1 November 1402; his 3rd wife.4,1,6,2,3 Philippa Lovel married Nicholas Broughton before 24 March 1429.1
Philippa Lovel died on 15 May 1465.7,1
     ; van de pas cites: The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: IV 376.2

; Weis AR7 214-34.4

Family 1

Sir John de Dynham Knt., Lord Dinham of Hartland, Devon b. bt 1358 - 1359, d. 25 Dec 1428
Child

Citations

  1. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), Dinham 12: pp. 274-275. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Philippe Lovell: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00429097&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Richardson PA, Lovel 12: p. 464.
  4. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 214-34, p. 178. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, John Lovel: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00348555&tree=LEO
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir John de Dinham: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00387510&tree=LEO
  7. [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215 : The Barons Named in the Magna
    Charta, 1215 and Some of Their Descendants Who Settled in America
    During the Early Colonial Years, 5th Edition
    (Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishine Co., Inc., unknown publish date), line 125-7, p. 166. Hereinafter cited as Weis MCS-5.
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir John Dinham, of Hartland: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00038167&tree=LEO
  9. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Richardson PA, Dinham 13: p. 275.

Sir John de Moels Knt., 4th Lord Moels1,2,3

M, #10737, b. circa 1304, d. 1337
FatherJohn de Moels 1st Lord Moels2,4 b. c 1269, d. 20 May 1310
MotherMaud de Grey2,4
ReferenceEDV20
Last Edited14 Aug 2019
     Sir John de Moels Knt., 4th Lord Moels married Joan Lovel, daughter of Sir Richard Lovel Knt., 1st Baron Lovel and Muriel de Soules.5,6,1,2,3 Sir John de Moels Knt., 4th Lord Moels was born circa 1304.3
Sir John de Moels Knt., 4th Lord Moels died in 1337.1
     EDV-20.

; van de Pas cite: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America bef. 1700, 7th Edition, 1992, Weis, Frederick Lewis, Reference: 55.1

Sir John de Moels Knt., 4th Lord Moels lived at North Cadbury, co. Somerset, England.7 Sir John de Moels Knt., 4th Lord Moels was also known as Sir John de Moels Lord Moels, of North Cadbury, Somerset.7,6

; Weis [AR7] 214-33.8

Family

Joan Lovel
Children

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir John de Moels: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00385480&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), Dinham: p. 274. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.
  3. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Richardson PA, Moels 9: p. 502.
  4. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Richardson PA, Moels 8: p. 501.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Joan Lovel: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00385481&tree=LEO
  6. [S1629] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 26 April 2004: "CP Addition: Ancestry of the Lords Botreaux"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 26 Apr 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 26 April 2004."
  7. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Abney Hastings Earls of Loudon Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  8. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 214-33, p. 178. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  9. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Richardson PA, Hungerford 8: pp. 406-407.

Sir Josce de Dinham of Hartland, co. Devon1,2

M, #10738, b. 26 February 1274, d. 30 March 1301
FatherSir Oliver de Dinham of Harpford and Nutwell1 b. 1234, d. 26 Feb 1298/99
ReferenceEDV20
Last Edited8 Jun 2003
     Sir Josce de Dinham of Hartland, co. Devon was born on 26 February 1274.3,4 He married Margaret de Hydon, daughter of Sir Richard de Hydon of Clyst Hidon, Clayhidon and Hemyock, co. Devon and Isabel de Fissacre, before 23 April 1292.1,2
Sir Josce de Dinham of Hartland, co. Devon died on 30 March 1301 at age 27.1,3
     EDV-20.

Family

Margaret de Hydon d. 15 May 1357
Children

Citations

  1. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 214-31, p. 178. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  2. [S1449] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email "Correction to CP: Dinham, Lord Dinham"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 6 June 2003. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 6 June 2003."
  3. [S1449] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 6 June 2003," e-mail to e-mail address, 6 June 2003, "The Complete Peerage," G. E. Cokayne, 1910 - The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom.
  4. [S1449] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 6 June 2003," e-mail to e-mail address, 6 June 2003, "The Baronage of England," William Dugdale, Norroy King of Arms, Tho. Newcomb [reprint Georg Verlag, New York], London, 1675 [reprint New York, 1977].
  5. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis AR-7, line 214-32, p. 178.

Margaret de Hydon1

F, #10739, d. 15 May 1357
FatherSir Richard de Hydon of Clyst Hidon, Clayhidon and Hemyock, co. Devon1,2
MotherIsabel de Fissacre3
ReferenceEDV20
Last Edited9 Sep 2008
     Margaret de Hydon married Sir Josce de Dinham of Hartland, co. Devon, son of Sir Oliver de Dinham of Harpford and Nutwell, before 23 April 1292.4,1
Margaret de Hydon died on 15 May 1357.4,5
Margaret de Hydon was buried after 15 May 1357 at Hemyock Chapel, Hemyock, Devonshire, England.1


     EDV-20.

Family

Sir Josce de Dinham of Hartland, co. Devon b. 26 Feb 1274, d. 30 Mar 1301
Children

Citations

  1. [S1449] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email "Correction to CP: Dinham, Lord Dinham"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 6 June 2003. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 6 June 2003."
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir Richard de Hydon, of Clayhidon and Hemyock: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00429092&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Isabel de Fissacre: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00429093&tree=LEO
  4. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 214-31, p. 178. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  5. [S1449] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 6 June 2003," e-mail to e-mail address, 6 June 2003, "The Complete Peerage," G. E. Cokayne, 1910 - The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom.
  6. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis AR-7, line 214-32, p. 178.

Sir Richard de Hydon of Clyst Hidon, Clayhidon and Hemyock, co. Devon1,2

M, #10740
FatherJohn de Hydon3 d. a 27 Feb 1274
ReferenceEDV21
Last Edited9 Sep 2008
     Sir Richard de Hydon of Clyst Hidon, Clayhidon and Hemyock, co. Devon married Isabel de Fissacre.4,2
     ; Mackham and Madford (in Hemyock) appear as a single holding in the IPM of Richard de Hidon, a descendant of Robert Foliot, who held a share of Hemyock (IPM, ii, no 590; OJR, Supp, p. 39).5 EDV-21.

; van de pas cites: The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: IV 371.6,2

Family

Isabel de Fissacre
Child

Citations

  1. [S1449] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email "Correction to CP: Dinham, Lord Dinham"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 6 June 2003, "The Complete Peerage," G. E. Cokayne, 1910 - The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom.. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 6 June 2003."
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir Richard de Hydon, of Clayhidon and Hemyock: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00429092&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1449] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 6 June 2003," e-mail to e-mail address, 6 June 2003, St Andrew's Church, Clayhidon website, http://www.culmkirks.co.uk/parishes/clayhidon.htm provides date of presentation of Ralph de Hydon to the living, 27 Feb 1274.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Isabel de Fissacre: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00429093&tree=LEO
  5. [S1449] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 6 June 2003," e-mail to e-mail address, 6 June 2003, cites: "Domesday Descendants," K. S. B. Keats-Rohan, The Boydell Press, Woodbridge, 2002, full title: Domesday Descendants: A Prosopography of Persons, Occurring in English Documents 1066-1166: Pipe Rolls to Cartae Baronum.
  6. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 214-31, p. 178. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  7. [S1449] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 6 June 2003," e-mail to e-mail address, 6 June 2003.