Matilde (?) von Dasburg1
F, #23671
Father | Ludwig (?) Count von Dasburg1,2 |
Last Edited | 31 Oct 2020 |
Matilde (?) von Dasburg married Hermann/Hezelo (?) von Enham, Graf in Eifelgau, Vicomte of Verdun, son of Godefroi/Godfrey "the Old" "the Prisoner" I (?) Graf von Bidgau Bidgau, Ct of Verdun and Mathilde/Maud Billung (?) von Sachsen.3,1,4
Family | Hermann/Hezelo (?) von Enham, Graf in Eifelgau, Vicomte of Verdun d. bt 28 Dec 1029 - May 1029 |
Children |
Citations
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Matilde von Dasburg: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00121018&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ludwig: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00121019&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hermann von Enham: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00121017&tree=LEO
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 1 page (The Luxemburg Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg1.html
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hermann: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00124982&tree=LEO
Ludwig (?) Count von Dasburg1
M, #23672
Last Edited | 31 Oct 2020 |
; Leo van de pas cites: The Plantagenet Ancestry Baltimore, 1975. , Lt.Col. W. H. Turton, Reference: 19.1
Family | |
Child |
Citations
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ludwig: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00121019&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Matilde von Dasburg: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00121018&tree=LEO
Ermentrude (?) de Verdun1
F, #23673, d. after 1010
Father | Godefroi/Godfrey "the Old" "the Prisoner" I (?) Graf von Bidgau Bidgau, Ct of Verdun1,2,3 b. bt 930 - 935, d. a 3 Sep 997 |
Mother | Mathilde/Maud Billung (?) von Sachsen1,2 b. c 940, d. 25 May 1008 |
Reference | GAV27 |
Last Edited | 29 Sep 2020 |
Ermentrude (?) de Verdun married Arnoul (Arnold, Arnaud) I (?) seigneur de Florennes et Morialmé, son of Godefroi (Geoffroi) (?) de Juliers, comte en Hainaut and Alpaïde (Alpaïs) (?) de Lomegau (Hoegarde), between 975 and 985.2,1,4,5
Ermentrude (?) de Verdun died before 1010.2
Ermentrude (?) de Verdun died after 1010.1
GAV-27. Ermentrude (?) de Verdun was also known as Ermentrude (?) de Verdun.2 She witnessed the marriage of Arnoul (Arnold, Arnaud) I (?) seigneur de Florennes et Morialmé and Helvide (?) (?); Ravilious mentions Arnoul marrying a "Helvide". Genealogics (citing ES) and Med Lands say he m. "Ermentrude".5,4,6
Ermentrude (?) de Verdun died before 1010.2
Ermentrude (?) de Verdun died after 1010.1
GAV-27. Ermentrude (?) de Verdun was also known as Ermentrude (?) de Verdun.2 She witnessed the marriage of Arnoul (Arnold, Arnaud) I (?) seigneur de Florennes et Morialmé and Helvide (?) (?); Ravilious mentions Arnoul marrying a "Helvide". Genealogics (citing ES) and Med Lands say he m. "Ermentrude".5,4,6
Family | Arnoul (Arnold, Arnaud) I (?) seigneur de Florennes et Morialmé b. c 950, d. bt 1002 - 1010 |
Children |
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Citations
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 1 page (The Luxemburg Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg1.html
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Florennes-Rumigny.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(UPPER)%20NOBILITY.htm#Godefroidied995B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Arnold I de Florennes: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139800&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S2149] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email #2 19 April 2007: "Query: the lords of Morialmé"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 19 April 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email #2 19 April 2007."
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NAMUR.htm#Arnauddied10021010
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs de Florennes & Rumigny, p. 2; http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Florennes-Rumigny.pdf
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hadvide de Florennes: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139799&tree=LEO
Arnoul (Arnold, Arnaud) I (?) seigneur de Florennes et Morialmé1,2
M, #23674, b. circa 950, d. between 1002 and 1010
Father | Godefroi (Geoffroi) (?) de Juliers, comte en Hainaut3,4,5,6 d. 5 Aug 964 |
Mother | Alpaïde (Alpaïs) (?) de Lomegau (Hoegarde)6,7,3,4,5 b. c 921, d. 986 |
Reference | GAV28 |
Last Edited | 29 Sep 2020 |
Arnoul (Arnold, Arnaud) I (?) seigneur de Florennes et Morialmé married Helvide (?) (?)
; Ravilious mentions Arnoul marrying a "Helvide". Genealogics (citing ES) and Med Lands say he m. "Ermentrude".6,3,4 Arnoul (Arnold, Arnaud) I (?) seigneur de Florennes et Morialmé was born circa 950.8 He married Ermentrude (?) de Verdun, daughter of Godefroi/Godfrey "the Old" "the Prisoner" I (?) Graf von Bidgau Bidgau, Ct of Verdun and Mathilde/Maud Billung (?) von Sachsen, between 975 and 985.2,9,3,6
Arnoul (Arnold, Arnaud) I (?) seigneur de Florennes et Morialmé died between 1002 and 1010; Ravilious says d. bef 1015.9,3,8,6
Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.), Reference: VII 11.3 GAV-28.
; Per Med Lands:
"ARNAUD, son of GODEFROI Comte de Hainaut [GOTTFRIED associate Duke of [Lower] Lotharingia] & his wife Alpaide ---] (-22 Oct [1002/10]). The Miraculis Sancti Gengulfi names "Arnulfus, Alpaidis et Godefridi Hainoensis pagi comitis filius" specifying that he was Seigneur de Florennes[433]. The Historia Walciodorensis Monasterii records that the (unnamed) wife of [Eilbert] had "binos…adolescentulos…Godefrido et fratri…Arnulfo" from her previous marriage to whom their stepfather bequeathed "pagum Florinensem"[434]. “Alpaidis” donated “villam...Roserias in pago Hasbanio sitam, super fluviolum Neropie, in comitatu Hoyensi” to Waulsort abbey by undated charter, signed by “Alpaidis eiusque filii Arnulphi...Wirici fratris Arnulphi, Alberti comitis, Gisleberti, Radbodi fratrum eius...”[435]. Roland records that a 13th century copy of this charter includes the date 981[436]. Seigneur de Florennes. The Gesta Episcoporum Leodiensium names "Arnulfum nobilem de Rumiaco…Alpaidis et Godefridi filius" specifying that he founded the church of St Gengulf in Florennes[437]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records that "Arnullfum nobilem de Ruminiaceo…Alpaidis et Godefridi filius" founded the church of St Gengulf in Florennes in 1002[438].
"m ERMENTRUDE, daughter of GODEFROI Comte de Verdun & his wife Mechtild of Saxony ([965/80]-7 Mar after 1010). The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not yet been identified. Roland records the wife of Arnaud as “Ermentrude, fille de Godefroid le Captif et de Mathilde de Saxe” but he does not cite the corresponding primary source[439]. He states also that “Arnoul seigneur de Florennes reçut en bénéfice du comte Herman son beau-frère l’abbaye d’Hautmont”, again without citing the corresponding primary source but Roland’s wording suggests that the document may indicate the family relationship between the two parties[440]. "
Med Lands cites:
; Per Racines et Histoire: "Arnoul (Arnold, Arnaud) 1er de Florennes ° ~ 950 + un 22/10 entre 1002 et 1010 seigneur de Florennes et Morialmé (fonde l’église Saint-Gengulf à Florennes 1002)
ép. ~975/85 Ermentrude de Verdun + un 07/03 dès 1010 (fille de Godefroi 1er «Le Captif» de Limbourg, comte d’Ardennes, Verdun, Bidgau et Methingau, et de Mechtild de Saxe-Billung.)8"
; Ravilious email: Thursday, 19 April, 2007
"Hello All,
"An interesting page on Wikipedia sets forth an interesting if undocumented pedigree of the lords of Morialmé, near Namur [1]. This lineage is of interest, as it involves an often overlooked ascent of the lords of Fiennes, ancestors of the Bohun Earls of Hereford, the later Mortimers of Wigmore (including the well-known regicide Sir Roger de Mortimer) and good many others, royal and non-royal. The last of this line is usually identified as Arnoul 'II', but this numeration appears to account only for the descendants of Godescal de Morialmé.
"The association of Gerard 'the Great', Bishop of Cambrai, with this family is from the text of a donation, the confirmation of which is dated 1015. Before proceeding with the time-consuming project of transcribing same, I wonder if any of the list (esp. Peter Stewart) might have direct knowledge as to the accuracy of this lineage as reconstructed below?
"Any and all related documentation, comment and corrections are welcome.
Cheers, John
_______________________________________________
<1> <2>
1) Godfrey = Alpaide de = 2) Elbert de = Hersende
of Jülich Hogarde I Florennes
___________________ I___________________________
I I I I
Godfrey Arnulf [Arnoul] = Helvide Alpaide Gerard
lord of Morialmé I (?) = Etienne 'the Great'
d. bef 1015 I de Brakel Bishop of
I Cambrai
_____________ I 1013-1051
I
Godfrey = Gisela
of Morialmé I
______________I______
I I
Arnoul II of Morialmé Alpaide = Godescal de Trognée
I
_______I
I
Godescal II = Hedwig de
de Morialmé I Felnesse
________I
I
Arnoul III = Ida
de Morialmé I
___________I
I
Godescal III de Morialmé
participant in the 3rd Crusade
I
I
Arnoul IV = Joice de Bailleul
de Morialmé I heiress
d. 1218 I
I
Nicholas de Conde = Elizabeth
seigneur de Conde, I (als Isabel)
sieur de Bailleul dju I heiress
___________________I_________
I I
Jacques de Conde NN = Enguerrand
seigneur de Conde et Bailleul (Isabel ?) I de Fiennes;
sieur de Morialmé I of Wendover,
d. ca. 1259 I co. Bucks.
I
V
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morialm%C3%A9
Wikipedia, on Morialmé
Historique de la seigneurie
"La première apparition du plus vieil ancêtre des seigneurs de Morialmé remonte en 977 c'est pour dire que la famille est une des plus anciennes de nos régions. En effet, Elbert de Florennes épouse Alpaïde de Hoegarde veuve de Godefroid de Julier. Cet Elbert était veuf d'une certaine Hersende dont on ne connait pas le nom. De ses deux fils connus, l'un, Godefroid mourut jeune et l'autre ; Arnould reprit la seigneurie de Morialmé. De son épouse Ermentrude de Verdun il eut 7 enfants. l'aîné prénommé Godefroid (acte de 1050)épousera une certaine Gisèles. d'eux, naîtra Arnould deuxième du nom. il est avoué d'Hanzinnes, seigneur de Sanzeilles, de Soumoy, une partie du village de Dampremy. En 1113 il revend presque tout et se retire à l'abbaye de St Nicaise à Reims où il devient abbé. Sa sœur, Alpaïde de Morialmé garde la seigneurie de Morialmé et la demi de Florennes et Auvelais. elle épouse Godescal de Trognée qui va reprendre le nom de Morialmé.
"Son fils ainé; Godescal II de Morialmé épousera Edwige de Felnesse qui donnera naissance à Arnould III qui épousera Ida fille de Léon van der Aa, châtelain de Bruxelles. L'aîné de leurs enfants; Godescal III seigneur de Morialmé, de Sautour, avoué de Fosse, chevalier en 1174 est témoin lors de l'héritage du comté de Namur au bénéfice du comte de Hainaut Baudoin V. Il participe à la croisade au côté de l'empereur de l'empire Romain Germanique; Fréderic (1188-11898) il entre dans l'Ordre Hospitalier de Jérusalem (plus tard chevaliers de Malte) Ghislebert dit de lui qu'il était brâve, noble et riche. Alpaïs, une de ses sœurs sera abbesse de Nivelles ainsi que sa fille Béatrix. il sera marié à Hawide de Ham.
"Arnould IV sera le dernier de la famille à porter le titre de seigneur de Morialmé , il sera avoué d'Hanzinnes, seigneur de Ham sur Heure, de Loverval et avoué de Fosse. Il participa à la bataille de Steppes du côté Liègeois en 1213 et épousa Jeanne ou Isabeau de Bailleul. de ce couple ne naîtra qu'une fille du nom de Elisabeth. Elle épousera Nicolas Ier de Condé et la seigneurie passera dans la famille de Condé qui s'appelera Condé-Morialmé."
* John P. Ravilious."6
; Per Stewart email [2007]:
"Alpaide died on a 28 October ("Ob. Alpaidis mater Arnulfi"). Whether or not she was married to Eilbert after the death of Godfrey is open to question. Roland thought she was, and so did Misonne, both following the statement in a spurious history from Waulsort abbey (founded by Eilbert) written in the 12th century. However, apart from this the only evidences connecting them are first the earliest obituary of Florennes, that records the deaths of a group mostly related to the founders (Arnulf's sons), in which both figure but without any explicit link - as quoted above, Alpaide is described as mother to Arnulf, and Eilbert as husband of Hersende - and secondly an apparent error in a 10th-century addition to an account of the translation of relics that calls the father of Arnulf's sons "proles" (issue) of a lord named "Hilbertus", who could be identical with Eilbert. However, Eilbert was clearly not his father, and Misonne argues that "proles" must indicate a step-son rather than direct issue. I think it could just as well be quite wrong, or could be an odd way of saying that Alpaide's son Arnulf was issue of Eilbert's family, a blood relative in the succeeding generation, i.e Alpaide herself could have been a sister of Eilbert, or Godfrey could have been his close relative. Anyway, Arnulf inherited the lordship of Florennes that had belonged to Eilbert when the latter died on 28 March 977. Misonne was impressed by Eilbert and his wife appearing in the family group of obituary notices, but didn't explain why he and Alpaide are only identified by other relationships and not as spouses. Georges Despy in _Les chartes de l'abbaye de Waulsort_ (Brussels, 1957) had maintained that they were not married."5
; Ravilious mentions Arnoul marrying a "Helvide". Genealogics (citing ES) and Med Lands say he m. "Ermentrude".6,3,4 Arnoul (Arnold, Arnaud) I (?) seigneur de Florennes et Morialmé was born circa 950.8 He married Ermentrude (?) de Verdun, daughter of Godefroi/Godfrey "the Old" "the Prisoner" I (?) Graf von Bidgau Bidgau, Ct of Verdun and Mathilde/Maud Billung (?) von Sachsen, between 975 and 985.2,9,3,6
Arnoul (Arnold, Arnaud) I (?) seigneur de Florennes et Morialmé died between 1002 and 1010; Ravilious says d. bef 1015.9,3,8,6
Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.), Reference: VII 11.3 GAV-28.
; Per Med Lands:
"ARNAUD, son of GODEFROI Comte de Hainaut [GOTTFRIED associate Duke of [Lower] Lotharingia] & his wife Alpaide ---] (-22 Oct [1002/10]). The Miraculis Sancti Gengulfi names "Arnulfus, Alpaidis et Godefridi Hainoensis pagi comitis filius" specifying that he was Seigneur de Florennes[433]. The Historia Walciodorensis Monasterii records that the (unnamed) wife of [Eilbert] had "binos…adolescentulos…Godefrido et fratri…Arnulfo" from her previous marriage to whom their stepfather bequeathed "pagum Florinensem"[434]. “Alpaidis” donated “villam...Roserias in pago Hasbanio sitam, super fluviolum Neropie, in comitatu Hoyensi” to Waulsort abbey by undated charter, signed by “Alpaidis eiusque filii Arnulphi...Wirici fratris Arnulphi, Alberti comitis, Gisleberti, Radbodi fratrum eius...”[435]. Roland records that a 13th century copy of this charter includes the date 981[436]. Seigneur de Florennes. The Gesta Episcoporum Leodiensium names "Arnulfum nobilem de Rumiaco…Alpaidis et Godefridi filius" specifying that he founded the church of St Gengulf in Florennes[437]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records that "Arnullfum nobilem de Ruminiaceo…Alpaidis et Godefridi filius" founded the church of St Gengulf in Florennes in 1002[438].
"m ERMENTRUDE, daughter of GODEFROI Comte de Verdun & his wife Mechtild of Saxony ([965/80]-7 Mar after 1010). The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not yet been identified. Roland records the wife of Arnaud as “Ermentrude, fille de Godefroid le Captif et de Mathilde de Saxe” but he does not cite the corresponding primary source[439]. He states also that “Arnoul seigneur de Florennes reçut en bénéfice du comte Herman son beau-frère l’abbaye d’Hautmont”, again without citing the corresponding primary source but Roland’s wording suggests that the document may indicate the family relationship between the two parties[440]. "
Med Lands cites:
[433] Miraculis Sancti Gengulfi 3, MGH SS XV.2, p. 791.
[434] Historia Walciodorensis Monasterii 29, MGH SS XIV, p. 519.
[435] Duvivier (1865), XL, p. 379.
[436] Roland ‘Rumigny-Florennes’ (1891), p. 74, footnote 1.
[437] Ægidii Aurevallensis Gesta Episcoporum Leodiensium II.59, MGH SS XXV, p. 63.
[438] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1002, MGH SS XXIII, p. 778.
[439] Roland ‘Rumigny-Florennes’ (1891), p. 79.
[440] Roland ‘Rumigny-Florennes’ (1891), p. 81.6
Arnoul (Arnold, Arnaud) I (?) seigneur de Florennes et Morialmé was also known as Arnoul (?) sn de Florennes.9 Arnoul (Arnold, Arnaud) I (?) seigneur de Florennes et Morialmé was also known as Arnoul/Arnulf (?) Lord of Morialmé.6 Arnoul (Arnold, Arnaud) I (?) seigneur de Florennes et Morialmé was also known as Arnaud (?) Seigneur de Florennes.4 [434] Historia Walciodorensis Monasterii 29, MGH SS XIV, p. 519.
[435] Duvivier (1865), XL, p. 379.
[436] Roland ‘Rumigny-Florennes’ (1891), p. 74, footnote 1.
[437] Ægidii Aurevallensis Gesta Episcoporum Leodiensium II.59, MGH SS XXV, p. 63.
[438] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1002, MGH SS XXIII, p. 778.
[439] Roland ‘Rumigny-Florennes’ (1891), p. 79.
[440] Roland ‘Rumigny-Florennes’ (1891), p. 81.6
; Per Racines et Histoire: "Arnoul (Arnold, Arnaud) 1er de Florennes ° ~ 950 + un 22/10 entre 1002 et 1010 seigneur de Florennes et Morialmé (fonde l’église Saint-Gengulf à Florennes 1002)
ép. ~975/85 Ermentrude de Verdun + un 07/03 dès 1010 (fille de Godefroi 1er «Le Captif» de Limbourg, comte d’Ardennes, Verdun, Bidgau et Methingau, et de Mechtild de Saxe-Billung.)8"
; Ravilious email: Thursday, 19 April, 2007
"Hello All,
"An interesting page on Wikipedia sets forth an interesting if undocumented pedigree of the lords of Morialmé, near Namur [1]. This lineage is of interest, as it involves an often overlooked ascent of the lords of Fiennes, ancestors of the Bohun Earls of Hereford, the later Mortimers of Wigmore (including the well-known regicide Sir Roger de Mortimer) and good many others, royal and non-royal. The last of this line is usually identified as Arnoul 'II', but this numeration appears to account only for the descendants of Godescal de Morialmé.
"The association of Gerard 'the Great', Bishop of Cambrai, with this family is from the text of a donation, the confirmation of which is dated 1015. Before proceeding with the time-consuming project of transcribing same, I wonder if any of the list (esp. Peter Stewart) might have direct knowledge as to the accuracy of this lineage as reconstructed below?
"Any and all related documentation, comment and corrections are welcome.
Cheers, John
_______________________________________________
<1> <2>
1) Godfrey = Alpaide de = 2) Elbert de = Hersende
of Jülich Hogarde I Florennes
___________________ I___________________________
I I I I
Godfrey Arnulf [Arnoul] = Helvide Alpaide Gerard
lord of Morialmé I (?) = Etienne 'the Great'
d. bef 1015 I de Brakel Bishop of
I Cambrai
_____________ I 1013-1051
I
Godfrey = Gisela
of Morialmé I
______________I______
I I
Arnoul II of Morialmé Alpaide = Godescal de Trognée
I
_______I
I
Godescal II = Hedwig de
de Morialmé I Felnesse
________I
I
Arnoul III = Ida
de Morialmé I
___________I
I
Godescal III de Morialmé
participant in the 3rd Crusade
I
I
Arnoul IV = Joice de Bailleul
de Morialmé I heiress
d. 1218 I
I
Nicholas de Conde = Elizabeth
seigneur de Conde, I (als Isabel)
sieur de Bailleul dju I heiress
___________________I_________
I I
Jacques de Conde NN = Enguerrand
seigneur de Conde et Bailleul (Isabel ?) I de Fiennes;
sieur de Morialmé I of Wendover,
d. ca. 1259 I co. Bucks.
I
V
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morialm%C3%A9
Wikipedia, on Morialmé
Historique de la seigneurie
"La première apparition du plus vieil ancêtre des seigneurs de Morialmé remonte en 977 c'est pour dire que la famille est une des plus anciennes de nos régions. En effet, Elbert de Florennes épouse Alpaïde de Hoegarde veuve de Godefroid de Julier. Cet Elbert était veuf d'une certaine Hersende dont on ne connait pas le nom. De ses deux fils connus, l'un, Godefroid mourut jeune et l'autre ; Arnould reprit la seigneurie de Morialmé. De son épouse Ermentrude de Verdun il eut 7 enfants. l'aîné prénommé Godefroid (acte de 1050)épousera une certaine Gisèles. d'eux, naîtra Arnould deuxième du nom. il est avoué d'Hanzinnes, seigneur de Sanzeilles, de Soumoy, une partie du village de Dampremy. En 1113 il revend presque tout et se retire à l'abbaye de St Nicaise à Reims où il devient abbé. Sa sœur, Alpaïde de Morialmé garde la seigneurie de Morialmé et la demi de Florennes et Auvelais. elle épouse Godescal de Trognée qui va reprendre le nom de Morialmé.
"Son fils ainé; Godescal II de Morialmé épousera Edwige de Felnesse qui donnera naissance à Arnould III qui épousera Ida fille de Léon van der Aa, châtelain de Bruxelles. L'aîné de leurs enfants; Godescal III seigneur de Morialmé, de Sautour, avoué de Fosse, chevalier en 1174 est témoin lors de l'héritage du comté de Namur au bénéfice du comte de Hainaut Baudoin V. Il participe à la croisade au côté de l'empereur de l'empire Romain Germanique; Fréderic (1188-11898) il entre dans l'Ordre Hospitalier de Jérusalem (plus tard chevaliers de Malte) Ghislebert dit de lui qu'il était brâve, noble et riche. Alpaïs, une de ses sœurs sera abbesse de Nivelles ainsi que sa fille Béatrix. il sera marié à Hawide de Ham.
"Arnould IV sera le dernier de la famille à porter le titre de seigneur de Morialmé , il sera avoué d'Hanzinnes, seigneur de Ham sur Heure, de Loverval et avoué de Fosse. Il participa à la bataille de Steppes du côté Liègeois en 1213 et épousa Jeanne ou Isabeau de Bailleul. de ce couple ne naîtra qu'une fille du nom de Elisabeth. Elle épousera Nicolas Ier de Condé et la seigneurie passera dans la famille de Condé qui s'appelera Condé-Morialmé."
* John P. Ravilious."6
; Per Stewart email [2007]:
"Alpaide died on a 28 October ("Ob. Alpaidis mater Arnulfi"). Whether or not she was married to Eilbert after the death of Godfrey is open to question. Roland thought she was, and so did Misonne, both following the statement in a spurious history from Waulsort abbey (founded by Eilbert) written in the 12th century. However, apart from this the only evidences connecting them are first the earliest obituary of Florennes, that records the deaths of a group mostly related to the founders (Arnulf's sons), in which both figure but without any explicit link - as quoted above, Alpaide is described as mother to Arnulf, and Eilbert as husband of Hersende - and secondly an apparent error in a 10th-century addition to an account of the translation of relics that calls the father of Arnulf's sons "proles" (issue) of a lord named "Hilbertus", who could be identical with Eilbert. However, Eilbert was clearly not his father, and Misonne argues that "proles" must indicate a step-son rather than direct issue. I think it could just as well be quite wrong, or could be an odd way of saying that Alpaide's son Arnulf was issue of Eilbert's family, a blood relative in the succeeding generation, i.e Alpaide herself could have been a sister of Eilbert, or Godfrey could have been his close relative. Anyway, Arnulf inherited the lordship of Florennes that had belonged to Eilbert when the latter died on 28 March 977. Misonne was impressed by Eilbert and his wife appearing in the family group of obituary notices, but didn't explain why he and Alpaide are only identified by other relationships and not as spouses. Georges Despy in _Les chartes de l'abbaye de Waulsort_ (Brussels, 1957) had maintained that they were not married."5
Family | Ermentrude (?) de Verdun d. a 1010 |
Children |
|
Citations
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Arnold I de Florennes: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139800&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Florennes-Rumigny.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Arnold I de Florennes: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139800&tree=LEO
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NAMUR.htm#Arnauddied10021010. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S2150] Peter Stewart, "Stewart email 23 Apr 2007: "Re: Query: the lords of Morialm"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 23 Apr 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Stewart email 23 Apr 2007."
- [S2149] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email #2 19 April 2007: "Query: the lords of Morialmé"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 19 April 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email #2 19 April 2007."
- [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Morialmé: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morialm%C3%A9. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs de Florennes & Rumigny, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Florennes-Rumigny.pdf
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 1 page (The Luxemburg Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg1.html
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs de Florennes & Rumigny, p. 2; http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Florennes-Rumigny.pdf
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hadvide de Florennes: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139799&tree=LEO
Godefroi (Geoffroi) (?) de Juliers, comte en Hainaut1
M, #23675, d. 5 August 964
Reference | GAV29 |
Last Edited | 5 Jun 2020 |
Godefroi (Geoffroi) (?) de Juliers, comte en Hainaut married Alpaïde (Alpaïs) (?) de Lomegau (Hoegarde), daughter of Erlebaud (?) seigneur de Lomegau et de Chimay and Alpaïs (?) de France,
;
Her 1st husband.2,3,4
Godefroi (Geoffroi) (?) de Juliers, comte en Hainaut died on 5 August 964 at Rome, Città Metropolitana di Roma Capitale, Lazio, Italy (now).5,6
; Ravilious email: Thursday, 19 April, 2007
"Hello All,
"An interesting page on Wikipedia sets forth an interesting if undocumented pedigree of the lords of Morialmé, near Namur [1]. This lineage is of interest, as it involves an often overlooked ascent of the lords of Fiennes, ancestors of the Bohun Earls of Hereford, the later Mortimers of Wigmore (including the well-known regicide Sir Roger de Mortimer) and good many others, royal and non-royal. The last of this line is usually identified as Arnoul 'II', but this numeration appears to account only for the descendants of Godescal de Morialmé.
"The association of Gerard 'the Great', Bishop of Cambrai, with this family is from the text of a donation, the confirmation of which is dated 1015. Before proceeding with the time-consuming project of transcribing same, I wonder if any of the list (esp. Peter Stewart) might have direct knowledge as to the accuracy of this lineage as reconstructed below?
"Any and all related documentation, comment and corrections are welcome.
Cheers, John
_______________________________________________
<1> <2>
1) Godfrey = Alpaide de = 2) Elbert de = Hersende
of Jülich Hogarde I Florennes
___________________ I___________________________
I I I I
Godfrey Arnulf [Arnoul] = Helvide Alpaide Gerard
lord of Morialmé I (?) = Etienne 'the Great'
d. bef 1015 I de Brakel Bishop of
I Cambrai
_____________ I 1013-1051
I
Godfrey = Gisela
of Morialmé I
______________I______
I I
Arnoul II of Morialmé Alpaide = Godescal de Trognée
I
_______I
I
Godescal II = Hedwig de
de Morialmé I Felnesse
________I
I
Arnoul III = Ida
de Morialmé I
___________I
I
Godescal III de Morialmé
participant in the 3rd Crusade
I
I
Arnoul IV = Joice de Bailleul
de Morialmé I heiress
d. 1218 I
I
Nicholas de Conde = Elizabeth
seigneur de Conde, I (als Isabel)
sieur de Bailleul dju I heiress
___________________I_________
I I
Jacques de Conde NN = Enguerrand
seigneur de Conde et Bailleul (Isabel ?) I de Fiennes;
sieur de Morialmé I of Wendover,
d. ca. 1259 I co. Bucks.
I
V
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morialm%C3%A9
Wikipedia, on Morialmé
Historique de la seigneurie
"La première apparition du plus vieil ancêtre des seigneurs de Morialmé remonte en 977 c'est pour dire que la famille est une des plus anciennes de nos régions. En effet, Elbert de Florennes épouse Alpaïde de Hoegarde veuve de Godefroid de Julier. Cet Elbert était veuf d'une certaine Hersende dont on ne connait pas le nom. De ses deux fils connus, l'un, Godefroid mourut jeune et l'autre ; Arnould reprit la seigneurie de Morialmé. De son épouse Ermentrude de Verdun il eut 7 enfants. l'aîné prénommé Godefroid (acte de 1050)épousera une certaine Gisèles. d'eux, naîtra Arnould deuxième du nom. il est avoué d'Hanzinnes, seigneur de Sanzeilles, de Soumoy, une partie du village de Dampremy. En 1113 il revend presque tout et se retire à l'abbaye de St Nicaise à Reims où il devient abbé. Sa sœur, Alpaïde de Morialmé garde la seigneurie de Morialmé et la demi de Florennes et Auvelais. elle épouse Godescal de Trognée qui va reprendre le nom de Morialmé.
"Son fils ainé; Godescal II de Morialmé épousera Edwige de Felnesse qui donnera naissance à Arnould III qui épousera Ida fille de Léon van der Aa, châtelain de Bruxelles. L'aîné de leurs enfants; Godescal III seigneur de Morialmé, de Sautour, avoué de Fosse, chevalier en 1174 est témoin lors de l'héritage du comté de Namur au bénéfice du comte de Hainaut Baudoin V. Il participe à la croisade au côté de l'empereur de l'empire Romain Germanique; Fréderic (1188-11898) il entre dans l'Ordre Hospitalier de Jérusalem (plus tard chevaliers de Malte) Ghislebert dit de lui qu'il était brâve, noble et riche. Alpaïs, une de ses sœurs sera abbesse de Nivelles ainsi que sa fille Béatrix. il sera marié à Hawide de Ham.
"Arnould IV sera le dernier de la famille à porter le titre de seigneur de Morialmé , il sera avoué d'Hanzinnes, seigneur de Ham sur Heure, de Loverval et avoué de Fosse. Il participa à la bataille de Steppes du côté Liègeois en 1213 et épousa Jeanne ou Isabeau de Bailleul. de ce couple ne naîtra qu'une fille du nom de Elisabeth. Elle épousera Nicolas Ier de Condé et la seigneurie passera dans la famille de Condé qui s'appelera Condé-Morialmé."
* John P. Ravilious."2
; This is the same person as:
"Godefroid de Basse-Lotharingie" at Wikipédia (Fr.), and as
and as "Gottfried I. (Niederlothringen)" at Wikipedia (De.)7,6 He was Herzog von Niederlothringen (Vice duc de Basse-Lotharingie)
See attached map of the Duchy of Lower Lotharingia (from Wikipedia (De.): Von © Sémhur / Wikimedia Commons, CC BY-SA 4.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=50765775.)6,7,8 Godefroi (Geoffroi) (?) de Juliers, comte en Hainaut was also known as Godfrey (?) of Jülich.2 Godefroi (Geoffroi) (?) de Juliers, comte en Hainaut was also known as Gottfried (?) Comte de Hainaut, Herzog von Niederlothringen.9,6 GAV-29.
; Per Racines et Histoire: "Godefroi (Geoffroi) de Juliers, comte en Hainaut (~958) + 964 (Italie)
ép. Alpaïde (Alpaïs) de Lomegau (Hoegarde) ° ~921 + 986 (fille d’Erlebaud, seigneur de Lomegau et de Chimay, et d’Alpaïs de France ;
ép. 2) Eilbert, seigneur de Florennes +X 28/03/977, Fleurus.)4 "
; Per Med Lands:
"GOTTFRIED (-after 958). He was installed as Comte de Hainaut in 958 after Comte Reginar [III] was banished[59]. "Otto…rex" granted property confiscated from "Ymmo in villa Castra et in pago Darnegouue ac in comitatu Rotberti comitis", at the request of "Godefridi comitis", to "fideli nostro Tietboldo" by charter dated 11 Jun 958[60]. "Otto…rex" granted property "villa Vuambia sitam in pago Heinia in comitatu Godefridi" held by "Engibrandus" by charter dated 13 Jun 958[61]. same person as…? GOTTFRIED (-Italy 964). It is not certain that Gottfried Comte de Hainaut was the same person as Gottfried Duke of Lower Lotharingia. However, after the death of the latter, "Otto…imperator augustus" granted property "in loco Uillare…terram olim Godefridus bone memorie dux noster" to the convent of Saint-Ghislain (in Hainaut) at the request of "Richarius comes" by charter dated 2 Jun 965[62], "Richarius comes" being identified as Gottfried's successor in Hainaut. He was appointed [associate] Duke of [Lower] Lotharingia. Bruno archbishop of Köln confirmed an exchange of property "Baldau, quam Sigifredus comes…acquireret" for "in villa Nohas…in pago Heislensi in comitatu Tulpiaco" between the abbot of Stavelot and "comite Warnero fideli nostro" by charter dated 953 "regnante rege Ottone fratre nostro, anno xviii, Godefrido duce"[63]. Vanderkindere suggests that this charter should be redated to 959, to support the hypothesis that the two appointments of Gottfried and Friedrich, as associate dukes in Lower and Upper Lotharingia respectively, occurred simultaneously[64]. "Godefridi ducis" subscribed a charter dated 964 issued by the abbot of Prüm[65]. The Continuator of Regino names "Godefridus dux Lothariensis" among those who died of plague in Italy in 964[66]. Ruotger's Vita Brunonis records that Duke Bruno sent "auxiliares" to Lotharingia, of whom "Godefridus dux", adding that Bruno had raised Gottfried himself, and that he was so convinced of Gottfried's worthiness that he considered it unnecessary to offer donations for his soul[67].
"m as her first husband, ALPAIDE, daughter of --- (-after 981). Her two marriages are confirmed by reading the Historia Walciodorensis Monasterii, which records that the (unnamed) wife of [Eilbert] had "binos…adolescentulos…Godefrido et fratri…Arnulfo" from her previous marriage to whom their stepfather bequeathed "pagum Florinensem"[68], read together with the Miraculis Sancti Gengulfi which names "Arnulfus, Alpaidis et Godefridi Hainoensis pagi comitis filius" specifying that he was Seigneur de Florennes[69]. She married secondly (after 964) Eilbert Seigneur de Florennes. “Alpaidis” donated “villam...Roserias in pago Hasbanio sitam, super fluviolum Neropie, in comitatu Hoyensi” to Waulsort abbey by undated charter, signed by “Alpaidis eiusque filii Arnulphi...Wirici fratris Arnulphi, Alberti comitis, Gisleberti, Radbodi fratrum eius...”[70]. Roland records that a 13th century copy of this charter includes the date 981[71]."
Med Lands cites:
; Per Stewart email [2007]:
"Godfrey is believed to have been the count in Hainaut mentioned in a diploma of Emperor Otto I in 958 ("in pago Heinia, in comitatu Godefridi") and a hagiography written early in the 11th century ("Godefridus Heinonensis pagi comes"). He died soon after the occurrence in 958, on a 23 December. This is the same date given in the obituary of Florennes abbey for Hersende, wife of Eilbert ("X Kal. Ian. Ob. Godefridus pater domni Arnulfi et Hersindis uxor Eilberti").
"Alpaide died on a 28 October ("Ob. Alpaidis mater Arnulfi"). Whether or not she was married to Eilbert after the death of Godfrey is open to question. Roland thought she was, and so did Misonne, both following the statement in a spurious history from Waulsort abbey (founded by Eilbert) written in the 12th century. However, apart from this the only evidences connecting them are first the earliest obituary of Florennes, that records the deaths of a group mostly related to the founders (Arnulf's sons), in which both figure but without any explicit link - as quoted above, Alpaide is described as mother to Arnulf, and Eilbert as husband of Hersende - and secondly an apparent error in a 10th-century addition to an account of the translation of relics that calls the father of Arnulf's sons "proles" (issue) of a lord named "Hilbertus", who could be identical with Eilbert. However, Eilbert was clearly not his father, and Misonne argues that "proles" must indicate a step-son rather than direct issue. I think it could just as well be quite wrong, or could be an odd way of saying that Alpaide's son Arnulf was issue of Eilbert's family, a blood relative in the succeeding generation, i.e Alpaide herself could have been a sister of Eilbert, or Godfrey could have been his close relative. Anyway, Arnulf inherited the lordship of Florennes that had belonged to Eilbert when the latter died on 28 March 977. Misonne was impressed by Eilbert and his wife appearing in the family group of obituary notices, but didn't explain why he and Alpaide are only identified by other relationships and not as spouses. Georges Despy in _Les chartes de l'abbaye de Waulsort_ (Brussels, 1957) had maintained that they were not married."5
;
Her 1st husband.2,3,4
Godefroi (Geoffroi) (?) de Juliers, comte en Hainaut died on 5 August 964 at Rome, Città Metropolitana di Roma Capitale, Lazio, Italy (now).5,6
; Ravilious email: Thursday, 19 April, 2007
"Hello All,
"An interesting page on Wikipedia sets forth an interesting if undocumented pedigree of the lords of Morialmé, near Namur [1]. This lineage is of interest, as it involves an often overlooked ascent of the lords of Fiennes, ancestors of the Bohun Earls of Hereford, the later Mortimers of Wigmore (including the well-known regicide Sir Roger de Mortimer) and good many others, royal and non-royal. The last of this line is usually identified as Arnoul 'II', but this numeration appears to account only for the descendants of Godescal de Morialmé.
"The association of Gerard 'the Great', Bishop of Cambrai, with this family is from the text of a donation, the confirmation of which is dated 1015. Before proceeding with the time-consuming project of transcribing same, I wonder if any of the list (esp. Peter Stewart) might have direct knowledge as to the accuracy of this lineage as reconstructed below?
"Any and all related documentation, comment and corrections are welcome.
Cheers, John
_______________________________________________
<1> <2>
1) Godfrey = Alpaide de = 2) Elbert de = Hersende
of Jülich Hogarde I Florennes
___________________ I___________________________
I I I I
Godfrey Arnulf [Arnoul] = Helvide Alpaide Gerard
lord of Morialmé I (?) = Etienne 'the Great'
d. bef 1015 I de Brakel Bishop of
I Cambrai
_____________ I 1013-1051
I
Godfrey = Gisela
of Morialmé I
______________I______
I I
Arnoul II of Morialmé Alpaide = Godescal de Trognée
I
_______I
I
Godescal II = Hedwig de
de Morialmé I Felnesse
________I
I
Arnoul III = Ida
de Morialmé I
___________I
I
Godescal III de Morialmé
participant in the 3rd Crusade
I
I
Arnoul IV = Joice de Bailleul
de Morialmé I heiress
d. 1218 I
I
Nicholas de Conde = Elizabeth
seigneur de Conde, I (als Isabel)
sieur de Bailleul dju I heiress
___________________I_________
I I
Jacques de Conde NN = Enguerrand
seigneur de Conde et Bailleul (Isabel ?) I de Fiennes;
sieur de Morialmé I of Wendover,
d. ca. 1259 I co. Bucks.
I
V
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morialm%C3%A9
Wikipedia, on Morialmé
Historique de la seigneurie
"La première apparition du plus vieil ancêtre des seigneurs de Morialmé remonte en 977 c'est pour dire que la famille est une des plus anciennes de nos régions. En effet, Elbert de Florennes épouse Alpaïde de Hoegarde veuve de Godefroid de Julier. Cet Elbert était veuf d'une certaine Hersende dont on ne connait pas le nom. De ses deux fils connus, l'un, Godefroid mourut jeune et l'autre ; Arnould reprit la seigneurie de Morialmé. De son épouse Ermentrude de Verdun il eut 7 enfants. l'aîné prénommé Godefroid (acte de 1050)épousera une certaine Gisèles. d'eux, naîtra Arnould deuxième du nom. il est avoué d'Hanzinnes, seigneur de Sanzeilles, de Soumoy, une partie du village de Dampremy. En 1113 il revend presque tout et se retire à l'abbaye de St Nicaise à Reims où il devient abbé. Sa sœur, Alpaïde de Morialmé garde la seigneurie de Morialmé et la demi de Florennes et Auvelais. elle épouse Godescal de Trognée qui va reprendre le nom de Morialmé.
"Son fils ainé; Godescal II de Morialmé épousera Edwige de Felnesse qui donnera naissance à Arnould III qui épousera Ida fille de Léon van der Aa, châtelain de Bruxelles. L'aîné de leurs enfants; Godescal III seigneur de Morialmé, de Sautour, avoué de Fosse, chevalier en 1174 est témoin lors de l'héritage du comté de Namur au bénéfice du comte de Hainaut Baudoin V. Il participe à la croisade au côté de l'empereur de l'empire Romain Germanique; Fréderic (1188-11898) il entre dans l'Ordre Hospitalier de Jérusalem (plus tard chevaliers de Malte) Ghislebert dit de lui qu'il était brâve, noble et riche. Alpaïs, une de ses sœurs sera abbesse de Nivelles ainsi que sa fille Béatrix. il sera marié à Hawide de Ham.
"Arnould IV sera le dernier de la famille à porter le titre de seigneur de Morialmé , il sera avoué d'Hanzinnes, seigneur de Ham sur Heure, de Loverval et avoué de Fosse. Il participa à la bataille de Steppes du côté Liègeois en 1213 et épousa Jeanne ou Isabeau de Bailleul. de ce couple ne naîtra qu'une fille du nom de Elisabeth. Elle épousera Nicolas Ier de Condé et la seigneurie passera dans la famille de Condé qui s'appelera Condé-Morialmé."
* John P. Ravilious."2
; This is the same person as:
"Godefroid de Basse-Lotharingie" at Wikipédia (Fr.), and as
and as "Gottfried I. (Niederlothringen)" at Wikipedia (De.)7,6 He was Herzog von Niederlothringen (Vice duc de Basse-Lotharingie)
See attached map of the Duchy of Lower Lotharingia (from Wikipedia (De.): Von © Sémhur / Wikimedia Commons, CC BY-SA 4.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=50765775.)6,7,8 Godefroi (Geoffroi) (?) de Juliers, comte en Hainaut was also known as Godfrey (?) of Jülich.2 Godefroi (Geoffroi) (?) de Juliers, comte en Hainaut was also known as Gottfried (?) Comte de Hainaut, Herzog von Niederlothringen.9,6 GAV-29.
; Per Racines et Histoire: "Godefroi (Geoffroi) de Juliers, comte en Hainaut (~958) + 964 (Italie)
ép. Alpaïde (Alpaïs) de Lomegau (Hoegarde) ° ~921 + 986 (fille d’Erlebaud, seigneur de Lomegau et de Chimay, et d’Alpaïs de France ;
ép. 2) Eilbert, seigneur de Florennes +X 28/03/977, Fleurus.)4 "
; Per Med Lands:
"GOTTFRIED (-after 958). He was installed as Comte de Hainaut in 958 after Comte Reginar [III] was banished[59]. "Otto…rex" granted property confiscated from "Ymmo in villa Castra et in pago Darnegouue ac in comitatu Rotberti comitis", at the request of "Godefridi comitis", to "fideli nostro Tietboldo" by charter dated 11 Jun 958[60]. "Otto…rex" granted property "villa Vuambia sitam in pago Heinia in comitatu Godefridi" held by "Engibrandus" by charter dated 13 Jun 958[61]. same person as…? GOTTFRIED (-Italy 964). It is not certain that Gottfried Comte de Hainaut was the same person as Gottfried Duke of Lower Lotharingia. However, after the death of the latter, "Otto…imperator augustus" granted property "in loco Uillare…terram olim Godefridus bone memorie dux noster" to the convent of Saint-Ghislain (in Hainaut) at the request of "Richarius comes" by charter dated 2 Jun 965[62], "Richarius comes" being identified as Gottfried's successor in Hainaut. He was appointed [associate] Duke of [Lower] Lotharingia. Bruno archbishop of Köln confirmed an exchange of property "Baldau, quam Sigifredus comes…acquireret" for "in villa Nohas…in pago Heislensi in comitatu Tulpiaco" between the abbot of Stavelot and "comite Warnero fideli nostro" by charter dated 953 "regnante rege Ottone fratre nostro, anno xviii, Godefrido duce"[63]. Vanderkindere suggests that this charter should be redated to 959, to support the hypothesis that the two appointments of Gottfried and Friedrich, as associate dukes in Lower and Upper Lotharingia respectively, occurred simultaneously[64]. "Godefridi ducis" subscribed a charter dated 964 issued by the abbot of Prüm[65]. The Continuator of Regino names "Godefridus dux Lothariensis" among those who died of plague in Italy in 964[66]. Ruotger's Vita Brunonis records that Duke Bruno sent "auxiliares" to Lotharingia, of whom "Godefridus dux", adding that Bruno had raised Gottfried himself, and that he was so convinced of Gottfried's worthiness that he considered it unnecessary to offer donations for his soul[67].
"m as her first husband, ALPAIDE, daughter of --- (-after 981). Her two marriages are confirmed by reading the Historia Walciodorensis Monasterii, which records that the (unnamed) wife of [Eilbert] had "binos…adolescentulos…Godefrido et fratri…Arnulfo" from her previous marriage to whom their stepfather bequeathed "pagum Florinensem"[68], read together with the Miraculis Sancti Gengulfi which names "Arnulfus, Alpaidis et Godefridi Hainoensis pagi comitis filius" specifying that he was Seigneur de Florennes[69]. She married secondly (after 964) Eilbert Seigneur de Florennes. “Alpaidis” donated “villam...Roserias in pago Hasbanio sitam, super fluviolum Neropie, in comitatu Hoyensi” to Waulsort abbey by undated charter, signed by “Alpaidis eiusque filii Arnulphi...Wirici fratris Arnulphi, Alberti comitis, Gisleberti, Radbodi fratrum eius...”[70]. Roland records that a 13th century copy of this charter includes the date 981[71]."
Med Lands cites:
[59] McKitterick (1983), p. 325, the author attributing this event to 977 which must be incorrect assuming Comte Reginar died in 973.
[60] D O I 194, p. 275.
[61] D O I 195, p. 275.
[62] D O I 291, p. 408.
[63] Veterum Scriptorum II, pp. 46-7.
[64] Vanderkindere II, p. 21.
[65] Mittelrheinisches Urkundenbuch, I, 219, p. 277.
[66] Continuator Reginonis 964, MGH SS I, p. 627.
[67] Ruotgeri Vita Brunonis 41, MGH SS IV, pp. 270-1.
[68] Historia Walciodorensis Monasterii 29, MGH SS XIV, p. 519.
[69] Miraculis Sancti Gengulfi 3, MGH SS XV.2, p. 791.
[70] Duvivier, C. (1865) Recherches sur le Hainaut ancien (Brussels), XL, p. 379.
[71] Roland, C. G. ‘Histoire généalogique de la maison de Rumigny-Florennes’, Annales de la Société Archéologique de Namur, Tome 19 (Namur, 1891), p. 74, footnote 1.9
[60] D O I 194, p. 275.
[61] D O I 195, p. 275.
[62] D O I 291, p. 408.
[63] Veterum Scriptorum II, pp. 46-7.
[64] Vanderkindere II, p. 21.
[65] Mittelrheinisches Urkundenbuch, I, 219, p. 277.
[66] Continuator Reginonis 964, MGH SS I, p. 627.
[67] Ruotgeri Vita Brunonis 41, MGH SS IV, pp. 270-1.
[68] Historia Walciodorensis Monasterii 29, MGH SS XIV, p. 519.
[69] Miraculis Sancti Gengulfi 3, MGH SS XV.2, p. 791.
[70] Duvivier, C. (1865) Recherches sur le Hainaut ancien (Brussels), XL, p. 379.
[71] Roland, C. G. ‘Histoire généalogique de la maison de Rumigny-Florennes’, Annales de la Société Archéologique de Namur, Tome 19 (Namur, 1891), p. 74, footnote 1.9
; Per Stewart email [2007]:
"Godfrey is believed to have been the count in Hainaut mentioned in a diploma of Emperor Otto I in 958 ("in pago Heinia, in comitatu Godefridi") and a hagiography written early in the 11th century ("Godefridus Heinonensis pagi comes"). He died soon after the occurrence in 958, on a 23 December. This is the same date given in the obituary of Florennes abbey for Hersende, wife of Eilbert ("X Kal. Ian. Ob. Godefridus pater domni Arnulfi et Hersindis uxor Eilberti").
"Alpaide died on a 28 October ("Ob. Alpaidis mater Arnulfi"). Whether or not she was married to Eilbert after the death of Godfrey is open to question. Roland thought she was, and so did Misonne, both following the statement in a spurious history from Waulsort abbey (founded by Eilbert) written in the 12th century. However, apart from this the only evidences connecting them are first the earliest obituary of Florennes, that records the deaths of a group mostly related to the founders (Arnulf's sons), in which both figure but without any explicit link - as quoted above, Alpaide is described as mother to Arnulf, and Eilbert as husband of Hersende - and secondly an apparent error in a 10th-century addition to an account of the translation of relics that calls the father of Arnulf's sons "proles" (issue) of a lord named "Hilbertus", who could be identical with Eilbert. However, Eilbert was clearly not his father, and Misonne argues that "proles" must indicate a step-son rather than direct issue. I think it could just as well be quite wrong, or could be an odd way of saying that Alpaide's son Arnulf was issue of Eilbert's family, a blood relative in the succeeding generation, i.e Alpaide herself could have been a sister of Eilbert, or Godfrey could have been his close relative. Anyway, Arnulf inherited the lordship of Florennes that had belonged to Eilbert when the latter died on 28 March 977. Misonne was impressed by Eilbert and his wife appearing in the family group of obituary notices, but didn't explain why he and Alpaide are only identified by other relationships and not as spouses. Georges Despy in _Les chartes de l'abbaye de Waulsort_ (Brussels, 1957) had maintained that they were not married."5
Family | Alpaïde (Alpaïs) (?) de Lomegau (Hoegarde) b. c 921, d. 986 |
Children |
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Citations
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Florennes-Rumigny.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
- [S2149] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email #2 19 April 2007: "Query: the lords of Morialmé"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 19 April 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email #2 19 April 2007."
- [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Morialmé: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morialm%C3%A9. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs de Florennes & Rumigny, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Florennes-Rumigny.pdf
- [S2150] Peter Stewart, "Stewart email 23 Apr 2007: "Re: Query: the lords of Morialm"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 23 Apr 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Stewart email 23 Apr 2007."
- [S4759] Wikipedia - Die freie Enzyklopädie, online https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Hauptseite, Gottfried I. (Niederlothringen): https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gottfried_I._(Niederlothringen). Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (DE).
- [S4742] Wikipédia (FR), online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Godefroid de Basse-Lotharingie: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godefroid_de_Basse-Lotharingie
- [S4759] Wikipédia (DE), online https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Hauptseite, https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niederlothringen#/media/Datei:Holy_Roman_Empire_1000_map-de.svg
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#Gottfrieddiedafter958. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 1 page (The Luxemburg Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg1.html
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Arnold I de Florennes: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139800&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NAMUR.htm#Arnauddied10021010
Alpaïde (Alpaïs) (?) de Lomegau (Hoegarde)1
F, #23676, b. circa 921, d. 986
Father | Erlebaud (?) seigneur de Lomegau et de Chimay1 |
Mother | Alpaïs (?) de France1 |
Reference | GAV29 |
Last Edited | 5 Jun 2020 |
Alpaïde (Alpaïs) (?) de Lomegau (Hoegarde) married Godefroi (Geoffroi) (?) de Juliers, comte en Hainaut
;
Her 1st husband.2,3,4 Alpaïde (Alpaïs) (?) de Lomegau (Hoegarde) married Elbert de Florennes Seigneur de Florennes
;
Her 2nd husband; his 2nd wife.2,3,5,4 Alpaïde (Alpaïs) (?) de Lomegau (Hoegarde) was born circa 921.1
Alpaïde (Alpaïs) (?) de Lomegau (Hoegarde) died in 986.1
; Per Racines et Histoire: "Arnoul (Arnold, Arnaud) 1er de Florennes ° ~ 950 + un 22/10 entre 1002 et 1010 seigneur de Florennes et Morialmé (fonde l’église Saint-Gengulf à Florennes 1002)
ép. ~975/85 Ermentrude de Verdun + un 07/03 dès 1010 (fille de Godefroi 1er «Le Captif» de Limbourg, comte d’Ardennes, Verdun, Bidgau et Methingau, et de Mechtild de Saxe-Billung.)4"
; Ravilious email: Thursday, 19 April, 2007
"Hello All,
"An interesting page on Wikipedia sets forth an interesting if undocumented pedigree of the lords of Morialmé, near Namur [1]. This lineage is of interest, as it involves an often overlooked ascent of the lords of Fiennes, ancestors of the Bohun Earls of Hereford, the later Mortimers of Wigmore (including the well-known regicide Sir Roger de Mortimer) and good many others, royal and non-royal. The last of this line is usually identified as Arnoul 'II', but this numeration appears to account only for the descendants of Godescal de Morialmé.
"The association of Gerard 'the Great', Bishop of Cambrai, with this family is from the text of a donation, the confirmation of which is dated 1015. Before proceeding with the time-consuming project of transcribing same, I wonder if any of the list (esp. Peter Stewart) might have direct knowledge as to the accuracy of this lineage as reconstructed below?
"Any and all related documentation, comment and corrections are welcome.
Cheers, John
_______________________________________________
<1> <2>
1) Godfrey = Alpaide de = 2) Elbert de = Hersende
of Jülich Hogarde I Florennes
___________________ I___________________________
I I I I
Godfrey Arnulf [Arnoul] = Helvide Alpaide Gerard
lord of Morialmé I (?) = Etienne 'the Great'
d. bef 1015 I de Brakel Bishop of
I Cambrai
_____________ I 1013-1051
I
Godfrey = Gisela
of Morialmé I
______________I______
I I
Arnoul II of Morialmé Alpaide = Godescal de Trognée
I
_______I
I
Godescal II = Hedwig de
de Morialmé I Felnesse
________I
I
Arnoul III = Ida
de Morialmé I
___________I
I
Godescal III de Morialmé
participant in the 3rd Crusade
I
I
Arnoul IV = Joice de Bailleul
de Morialmé I heiress
d. 1218 I
I
Nicholas de Conde = Elizabeth
seigneur de Conde, I (als Isabel)
sieur de Bailleul dju I heiress
___________________I_________
I I
Jacques de Conde NN = Enguerrand
seigneur de Conde et Bailleul (Isabel ?) I de Fiennes;
sieur de Morialmé I of Wendover,
d. ca. 1259 I co. Bucks.
I
V
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morialm%C3%A9
Wikipedia, on Morialmé
Historique de la seigneurie
"La première apparition du plus vieil ancêtre des seigneurs de Morialmé remonte en 977 c'est pour dire que la famille est une des plus anciennes de nos régions. En effet, Elbert de Florennes épouse Alpaïde de Hoegarde veuve de Godefroid de Julier. Cet Elbert était veuf d'une certaine Hersende dont on ne connait pas le nom. De ses deux fils connus, l'un, Godefroid mourut jeune et l'autre ; Arnould reprit la seigneurie de Morialmé. De son épouse Ermentrude de Verdun il eut 7 enfants. l'aîné prénommé Godefroid (acte de 1050)épousera une certaine Gisèles. d'eux, naîtra Arnould deuxième du nom. il est avoué d'Hanzinnes, seigneur de Sanzeilles, de Soumoy, une partie du village de Dampremy. En 1113 il revend presque tout et se retire à l'abbaye de St Nicaise à Reims où il devient abbé. Sa sœur, Alpaïde de Morialmé garde la seigneurie de Morialmé et la demi de Florennes et Auvelais. elle épouse Godescal de Trognée qui va reprendre le nom de Morialmé.
"Son fils ainé; Godescal II de Morialmé épousera Edwige de Felnesse qui donnera naissance à Arnould III qui épousera Ida fille de Léon van der Aa, châtelain de Bruxelles. L'aîné de leurs enfants; Godescal III seigneur de Morialmé, de Sautour, avoué de Fosse, chevalier en 1174 est témoin lors de l'héritage du comté de Namur au bénéfice du comte de Hainaut Baudoin V. Il participe à la croisade au côté de l'empereur de l'empire Romain Germanique; Fréderic (1188-11898) il entre dans l'Ordre Hospitalier de Jérusalem (plus tard chevaliers de Malte) Ghislebert dit de lui qu'il était brâve, noble et riche. Alpaïs, une de ses sœurs sera abbesse de Nivelles ainsi que sa fille Béatrix. il sera marié à Hawide de Ham.
"Arnould IV sera le dernier de la famille à porter le titre de seigneur de Morialmé , il sera avoué d'Hanzinnes, seigneur de Ham sur Heure, de Loverval et avoué de Fosse. Il participa à la bataille de Steppes du côté Liègeois en 1213 et épousa Jeanne ou Isabeau de Bailleul. de ce couple ne naîtra qu'une fille du nom de Elisabeth. Elle épousera Nicolas Ier de Condé et la seigneurie passera dans la famille de Condé qui s'appelera Condé-Morialmé."
* John P. Ravilious."2
; Per Stewart email [2007]:
"Godfrey is believed to have been the count in Hainaut mentioned in a diploma of Emperor Otto I in 958 ("in pago Heinia, in comitatu Godefridi") and a hagiography written early in the 11th century ("Godefridus Heinonensis pagi comes"). He died soon after the occurrence in 958, on a 23 December. This is the same date given in the obituary of Florennes abbey for Hersende, wife of Eilbert ("X Kal. Ian. Ob. Godefridus pater domni Arnulfi et Hersindis uxor Eilberti").
"Alpaide died on a 28 October ("Ob. Alpaidis mater Arnulfi"). Whether or not she was married to Eilbert after the death of Godfrey is open to question. Roland thought she was, and so did Misonne, both following the statement in a spurious history from Waulsort abbey (founded by Eilbert) written in the 12th century. However, apart from this the only evidences connecting them are first the earliest obituary of Florennes, that records the deaths of a group mostly related to the founders (Arnulf's sons), in which both figure but without any explicit link - as quoted above, Alpaide is described as mother to Arnulf, and Eilbert as husband of Hersende - and secondly an apparent error in a 10th-century addition to an account of the translation of relics that calls the father of Arnulf's sons "proles" (issue) of a lord named "Hilbertus", who could be identical with Eilbert. However, Eilbert was clearly not his father, and Misonne argues that "proles" must indicate a step-son rather than direct issue. I think it could just as well be quite wrong, or could be an odd way of saying that Alpaide's son Arnulf was issue of Eilbert's family, a blood relative in the succeeding generation, i.e Alpaide herself could have been a sister of Eilbert, or Godfrey could have been his close relative. Anyway, Arnulf inherited the lordship of Florennes that had belonged to Eilbert when the latter died on 28 March 977. Misonne was impressed by Eilbert and his wife appearing in the family group of obituary notices, but didn't explain why he and Alpaide are only identified by other relationships and not as spouses. Georges Despy in _Les chartes de l'abbaye de Waulsort_ (Brussels, 1957) had maintained that they were not married."6
; Per Med Lands:
"GOTTFRIED (-after 958). He was installed as Comte de Hainaut in 958 after Comte Reginar [III] was banished[59]. "Otto…rex" granted property confiscated from "Ymmo in villa Castra et in pago Darnegouue ac in comitatu Rotberti comitis", at the request of "Godefridi comitis", to "fideli nostro Tietboldo" by charter dated 11 Jun 958[60]. "Otto…rex" granted property "villa Vuambia sitam in pago Heinia in comitatu Godefridi" held by "Engibrandus" by charter dated 13 Jun 958[61]. same person as…? GOTTFRIED (-Italy 964). It is not certain that Gottfried Comte de Hainaut was the same person as Gottfried Duke of Lower Lotharingia. However, after the death of the latter, "Otto…imperator augustus" granted property "in loco Uillare…terram olim Godefridus bone memorie dux noster" to the convent of Saint-Ghislain (in Hainaut) at the request of "Richarius comes" by charter dated 2 Jun 965[62], "Richarius comes" being identified as Gottfried's successor in Hainaut. He was appointed [associate] Duke of [Lower] Lotharingia. Bruno archbishop of Köln confirmed an exchange of property "Baldau, quam Sigifredus comes…acquireret" for "in villa Nohas…in pago Heislensi in comitatu Tulpiaco" between the abbot of Stavelot and "comite Warnero fideli nostro" by charter dated 953 "regnante rege Ottone fratre nostro, anno xviii, Godefrido duce"[63]. Vanderkindere suggests that this charter should be redated to 959, to support the hypothesis that the two appointments of Gottfried and Friedrich, as associate dukes in Lower and Upper Lotharingia respectively, occurred simultaneously[64]. "Godefridi ducis" subscribed a charter dated 964 issued by the abbot of Prüm[65]. The Continuator of Regino names "Godefridus dux Lothariensis" among those who died of plague in Italy in 964[66]. Ruotger's Vita Brunonis records that Duke Bruno sent "auxiliares" to Lotharingia, of whom "Godefridus dux", adding that Bruno had raised Gottfried himself, and that he was so convinced of Gottfried's worthiness that he considered it unnecessary to offer donations for his soul[67].
"m as her first husband, ALPAIDE, daughter of --- (-after 981). Her two marriages are confirmed by reading the Historia Walciodorensis Monasterii, which records that the (unnamed) wife of [Eilbert] had "binos…adolescentulos…Godefrido et fratri…Arnulfo" from her previous marriage to whom their stepfather bequeathed "pagum Florinensem"[68], read together with the Miraculis Sancti Gengulfi which names "Arnulfus, Alpaidis et Godefridi Hainoensis pagi comitis filius" specifying that he was Seigneur de Florennes[69]. She married secondly (after 964) Eilbert Seigneur de Florennes. “Alpaidis” donated “villam...Roserias in pago Hasbanio sitam, super fluviolum Neropie, in comitatu Hoyensi” to Waulsort abbey by undated charter, signed by “Alpaidis eiusque filii Arnulphi...Wirici fratris Arnulphi, Alberti comitis, Gisleberti, Radbodi fratrum eius...”[70]. Roland records that a 13th century copy of this charter includes the date 981[71]."
Med Lands cites:
; Per Racines et Histoire: "Godefroi (Geoffroi) de Juliers, comte en Hainaut (~958) + 964 (Italie)
ép. Alpaïde (Alpaïs) de Lomegau (Hoegarde) ° ~921 + 986 (fille d’Erlebaud, seigneur de Lomegau et de Chimay, et d’Alpaïs de France ;
ép. 2) Eilbert, seigneur de Florennes +X 28/03/977, Fleurus.)4 " Alpaïde (Alpaïs) (?) de Lomegau (Hoegarde) was also known as Alpaide de Hogarde.2 GAV-29.
; Per Stewart email [2007]:
"Alpaide died on a 28 October ("Ob. Alpaidis mater Arnulfi"). Whether or not she was married to Eilbert after the death of Godfrey is open to question. Roland thought she was, and so did Misonne, both following the statement in a spurious history from Waulsort abbey (founded by Eilbert) written in the 12th century. However, apart from this the only evidences connecting them are first the earliest obituary of Florennes, that records the deaths of a group mostly related to the founders (Arnulf's sons), in which both figure but without any explicit link - as quoted above, Alpaide is described as mother to Arnulf, and Eilbert as husband of Hersende - and secondly an apparent error in a 10th-century addition to an account of the translation of relics that calls the father of Arnulf's sons "proles" (issue) of a lord named "Hilbertus", who could be identical with Eilbert. However, Eilbert was clearly not his father, and Misonne argues that "proles" must indicate a step-son rather than direct issue. I think it could just as well be quite wrong, or could be an odd way of saying that Alpaide's son Arnulf was issue of Eilbert's family, a blood relative in the succeeding generation, i.e Alpaide herself could have been a sister of Eilbert, or Godfrey could have been his close relative. Anyway, Arnulf inherited the lordship of Florennes that had belonged to Eilbert when the latter died on 28 March 977. Misonne was impressed by Eilbert and his wife appearing in the family group of obituary notices, but didn't explain why he and Alpaide are only identified by other relationships and not as spouses. Georges Despy in _Les chartes de l'abbaye de Waulsort_ (Brussels, 1957) had maintained that they were not married."6
; Per Med Lands:
"EILBERT (-28 Mar 977). The Historia Walciodorensis monasterii names "comes Eilbertus pater comes Ebroinus"[416]. Seigneur de Florennes. The Historia Walciodorensis monasterii records that "comes Ebroinus [et] Berta" had seven sons named (in order) "comes Eilbertus, secundus comes Uddo de Foix, deinde comes Heribertus de Sancto Quintino, Gerardus de Odenarde, comes Boso, comes Witerus et Macuardus venerabilis episcopus", recording in a later passage that Eilbert and Heribert captured "Karolus rex" in 922 and held him at Péronne[417], although most of this appears to be pure fantasy. "Otto…rex" confirmed the foundation of Kloster Waulsort "Walciodorus…in pago Ardenna" by "nobili viro Eilberto…et uxor sua Heresuindis" by charter dated 19 Sep 946[418].
"m firstly HERESWIND, daughter of --- (-[1 Jan] ----). The necrology of Gorze records the death "Kal Jan" of "Hersindis comitissa"[419], which may refer to the wife of Eilbert as her father-in-law's death is also recorded in the same source.
"m secondly (after 964) as her second husband, ALPAIDE, widow of GODEFROI Comte de Hainaut [GOTTFRIED associate Duke of [Lower] Lotharingia], daughter of --- (-after 981). Her two marriages are confirmed by reading the Historia Walciodorensis Monasterii, which records that the (unnamed) wife of [Eilbert] had "binos…adolescentulos…Godefrido et fratri…Arnulfo" from her previous marriage to whom their stepfather bequeathed "pagum Florinensem"[420], read together with the Miraculis Sancti Gengulfi which names "Arnulfus, Alpaidis et Godefridi Hainoensis pagi comitis filius" specifying that he was Seigneur de Florennes[421]. “Alpaidis” donated “villam...Roserias in pago Hasbanio sitam, super fluviolum Neropie, in comitatu Hoyensi” to Waulsort abbey by undated charter, signed by “Alpaidis eiusque filii Arnulphi...Wirici fratris Arnulphi, Alberti comitis, Gisleberti, Radbodi fratrum eius...”[422]. Roland records that a 13th century copy of this charter includes the date 981[423]."
Med Lands cites:
;
Her 1st husband.2,3,4 Alpaïde (Alpaïs) (?) de Lomegau (Hoegarde) married Elbert de Florennes Seigneur de Florennes
;
Her 2nd husband; his 2nd wife.2,3,5,4 Alpaïde (Alpaïs) (?) de Lomegau (Hoegarde) was born circa 921.1
Alpaïde (Alpaïs) (?) de Lomegau (Hoegarde) died in 986.1
; Per Racines et Histoire: "Arnoul (Arnold, Arnaud) 1er de Florennes ° ~ 950 + un 22/10 entre 1002 et 1010 seigneur de Florennes et Morialmé (fonde l’église Saint-Gengulf à Florennes 1002)
ép. ~975/85 Ermentrude de Verdun + un 07/03 dès 1010 (fille de Godefroi 1er «Le Captif» de Limbourg, comte d’Ardennes, Verdun, Bidgau et Methingau, et de Mechtild de Saxe-Billung.)4"
; Ravilious email: Thursday, 19 April, 2007
"Hello All,
"An interesting page on Wikipedia sets forth an interesting if undocumented pedigree of the lords of Morialmé, near Namur [1]. This lineage is of interest, as it involves an often overlooked ascent of the lords of Fiennes, ancestors of the Bohun Earls of Hereford, the later Mortimers of Wigmore (including the well-known regicide Sir Roger de Mortimer) and good many others, royal and non-royal. The last of this line is usually identified as Arnoul 'II', but this numeration appears to account only for the descendants of Godescal de Morialmé.
"The association of Gerard 'the Great', Bishop of Cambrai, with this family is from the text of a donation, the confirmation of which is dated 1015. Before proceeding with the time-consuming project of transcribing same, I wonder if any of the list (esp. Peter Stewart) might have direct knowledge as to the accuracy of this lineage as reconstructed below?
"Any and all related documentation, comment and corrections are welcome.
Cheers, John
_______________________________________________
<1> <2>
1) Godfrey = Alpaide de = 2) Elbert de = Hersende
of Jülich Hogarde I Florennes
___________________ I___________________________
I I I I
Godfrey Arnulf [Arnoul] = Helvide Alpaide Gerard
lord of Morialmé I (?) = Etienne 'the Great'
d. bef 1015 I de Brakel Bishop of
I Cambrai
_____________ I 1013-1051
I
Godfrey = Gisela
of Morialmé I
______________I______
I I
Arnoul II of Morialmé Alpaide = Godescal de Trognée
I
_______I
I
Godescal II = Hedwig de
de Morialmé I Felnesse
________I
I
Arnoul III = Ida
de Morialmé I
___________I
I
Godescal III de Morialmé
participant in the 3rd Crusade
I
I
Arnoul IV = Joice de Bailleul
de Morialmé I heiress
d. 1218 I
I
Nicholas de Conde = Elizabeth
seigneur de Conde, I (als Isabel)
sieur de Bailleul dju I heiress
___________________I_________
I I
Jacques de Conde NN = Enguerrand
seigneur de Conde et Bailleul (Isabel ?) I de Fiennes;
sieur de Morialmé I of Wendover,
d. ca. 1259 I co. Bucks.
I
V
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morialm%C3%A9
Wikipedia, on Morialmé
Historique de la seigneurie
"La première apparition du plus vieil ancêtre des seigneurs de Morialmé remonte en 977 c'est pour dire que la famille est une des plus anciennes de nos régions. En effet, Elbert de Florennes épouse Alpaïde de Hoegarde veuve de Godefroid de Julier. Cet Elbert était veuf d'une certaine Hersende dont on ne connait pas le nom. De ses deux fils connus, l'un, Godefroid mourut jeune et l'autre ; Arnould reprit la seigneurie de Morialmé. De son épouse Ermentrude de Verdun il eut 7 enfants. l'aîné prénommé Godefroid (acte de 1050)épousera une certaine Gisèles. d'eux, naîtra Arnould deuxième du nom. il est avoué d'Hanzinnes, seigneur de Sanzeilles, de Soumoy, une partie du village de Dampremy. En 1113 il revend presque tout et se retire à l'abbaye de St Nicaise à Reims où il devient abbé. Sa sœur, Alpaïde de Morialmé garde la seigneurie de Morialmé et la demi de Florennes et Auvelais. elle épouse Godescal de Trognée qui va reprendre le nom de Morialmé.
"Son fils ainé; Godescal II de Morialmé épousera Edwige de Felnesse qui donnera naissance à Arnould III qui épousera Ida fille de Léon van der Aa, châtelain de Bruxelles. L'aîné de leurs enfants; Godescal III seigneur de Morialmé, de Sautour, avoué de Fosse, chevalier en 1174 est témoin lors de l'héritage du comté de Namur au bénéfice du comte de Hainaut Baudoin V. Il participe à la croisade au côté de l'empereur de l'empire Romain Germanique; Fréderic (1188-11898) il entre dans l'Ordre Hospitalier de Jérusalem (plus tard chevaliers de Malte) Ghislebert dit de lui qu'il était brâve, noble et riche. Alpaïs, une de ses sœurs sera abbesse de Nivelles ainsi que sa fille Béatrix. il sera marié à Hawide de Ham.
"Arnould IV sera le dernier de la famille à porter le titre de seigneur de Morialmé , il sera avoué d'Hanzinnes, seigneur de Ham sur Heure, de Loverval et avoué de Fosse. Il participa à la bataille de Steppes du côté Liègeois en 1213 et épousa Jeanne ou Isabeau de Bailleul. de ce couple ne naîtra qu'une fille du nom de Elisabeth. Elle épousera Nicolas Ier de Condé et la seigneurie passera dans la famille de Condé qui s'appelera Condé-Morialmé."
* John P. Ravilious."2
; Per Stewart email [2007]:
"Godfrey is believed to have been the count in Hainaut mentioned in a diploma of Emperor Otto I in 958 ("in pago Heinia, in comitatu Godefridi") and a hagiography written early in the 11th century ("Godefridus Heinonensis pagi comes"). He died soon after the occurrence in 958, on a 23 December. This is the same date given in the obituary of Florennes abbey for Hersende, wife of Eilbert ("X Kal. Ian. Ob. Godefridus pater domni Arnulfi et Hersindis uxor Eilberti").
"Alpaide died on a 28 October ("Ob. Alpaidis mater Arnulfi"). Whether or not she was married to Eilbert after the death of Godfrey is open to question. Roland thought she was, and so did Misonne, both following the statement in a spurious history from Waulsort abbey (founded by Eilbert) written in the 12th century. However, apart from this the only evidences connecting them are first the earliest obituary of Florennes, that records the deaths of a group mostly related to the founders (Arnulf's sons), in which both figure but without any explicit link - as quoted above, Alpaide is described as mother to Arnulf, and Eilbert as husband of Hersende - and secondly an apparent error in a 10th-century addition to an account of the translation of relics that calls the father of Arnulf's sons "proles" (issue) of a lord named "Hilbertus", who could be identical with Eilbert. However, Eilbert was clearly not his father, and Misonne argues that "proles" must indicate a step-son rather than direct issue. I think it could just as well be quite wrong, or could be an odd way of saying that Alpaide's son Arnulf was issue of Eilbert's family, a blood relative in the succeeding generation, i.e Alpaide herself could have been a sister of Eilbert, or Godfrey could have been his close relative. Anyway, Arnulf inherited the lordship of Florennes that had belonged to Eilbert when the latter died on 28 March 977. Misonne was impressed by Eilbert and his wife appearing in the family group of obituary notices, but didn't explain why he and Alpaide are only identified by other relationships and not as spouses. Georges Despy in _Les chartes de l'abbaye de Waulsort_ (Brussels, 1957) had maintained that they were not married."6
; Per Med Lands:
"GOTTFRIED (-after 958). He was installed as Comte de Hainaut in 958 after Comte Reginar [III] was banished[59]. "Otto…rex" granted property confiscated from "Ymmo in villa Castra et in pago Darnegouue ac in comitatu Rotberti comitis", at the request of "Godefridi comitis", to "fideli nostro Tietboldo" by charter dated 11 Jun 958[60]. "Otto…rex" granted property "villa Vuambia sitam in pago Heinia in comitatu Godefridi" held by "Engibrandus" by charter dated 13 Jun 958[61]. same person as…? GOTTFRIED (-Italy 964). It is not certain that Gottfried Comte de Hainaut was the same person as Gottfried Duke of Lower Lotharingia. However, after the death of the latter, "Otto…imperator augustus" granted property "in loco Uillare…terram olim Godefridus bone memorie dux noster" to the convent of Saint-Ghislain (in Hainaut) at the request of "Richarius comes" by charter dated 2 Jun 965[62], "Richarius comes" being identified as Gottfried's successor in Hainaut. He was appointed [associate] Duke of [Lower] Lotharingia. Bruno archbishop of Köln confirmed an exchange of property "Baldau, quam Sigifredus comes…acquireret" for "in villa Nohas…in pago Heislensi in comitatu Tulpiaco" between the abbot of Stavelot and "comite Warnero fideli nostro" by charter dated 953 "regnante rege Ottone fratre nostro, anno xviii, Godefrido duce"[63]. Vanderkindere suggests that this charter should be redated to 959, to support the hypothesis that the two appointments of Gottfried and Friedrich, as associate dukes in Lower and Upper Lotharingia respectively, occurred simultaneously[64]. "Godefridi ducis" subscribed a charter dated 964 issued by the abbot of Prüm[65]. The Continuator of Regino names "Godefridus dux Lothariensis" among those who died of plague in Italy in 964[66]. Ruotger's Vita Brunonis records that Duke Bruno sent "auxiliares" to Lotharingia, of whom "Godefridus dux", adding that Bruno had raised Gottfried himself, and that he was so convinced of Gottfried's worthiness that he considered it unnecessary to offer donations for his soul[67].
"m as her first husband, ALPAIDE, daughter of --- (-after 981). Her two marriages are confirmed by reading the Historia Walciodorensis Monasterii, which records that the (unnamed) wife of [Eilbert] had "binos…adolescentulos…Godefrido et fratri…Arnulfo" from her previous marriage to whom their stepfather bequeathed "pagum Florinensem"[68], read together with the Miraculis Sancti Gengulfi which names "Arnulfus, Alpaidis et Godefridi Hainoensis pagi comitis filius" specifying that he was Seigneur de Florennes[69]. She married secondly (after 964) Eilbert Seigneur de Florennes. “Alpaidis” donated “villam...Roserias in pago Hasbanio sitam, super fluviolum Neropie, in comitatu Hoyensi” to Waulsort abbey by undated charter, signed by “Alpaidis eiusque filii Arnulphi...Wirici fratris Arnulphi, Alberti comitis, Gisleberti, Radbodi fratrum eius...”[70]. Roland records that a 13th century copy of this charter includes the date 981[71]."
Med Lands cites:
[59] McKitterick (1983), p. 325, the author attributing this event to 977 which must be incorrect assuming Comte Reginar died in 973.
[60] D O I 194, p. 275.
[61] D O I 195, p. 275.
[62] D O I 291, p. 408.
[63] Veterum Scriptorum II, pp. 46-7.
[64] Vanderkindere II, p. 21.
[65] Mittelrheinisches Urkundenbuch, I, 219, p. 277.
[66] Continuator Reginonis 964, MGH SS I, p. 627.
[67] Ruotgeri Vita Brunonis 41, MGH SS IV, pp. 270-1.
[68] Historia Walciodorensis Monasterii 29, MGH SS XIV, p. 519.
[69] Miraculis Sancti Gengulfi 3, MGH SS XV.2, p. 791.
[70] Duvivier, C. (1865) Recherches sur le Hainaut ancien (Brussels), XL, p. 379.
[71] Roland, C. G. ‘Histoire généalogique de la maison de Rumigny-Florennes’, Annales de la Société Archéologique de Namur, Tome 19 (Namur, 1891), p. 74, footnote 1.7
[60] D O I 194, p. 275.
[61] D O I 195, p. 275.
[62] D O I 291, p. 408.
[63] Veterum Scriptorum II, pp. 46-7.
[64] Vanderkindere II, p. 21.
[65] Mittelrheinisches Urkundenbuch, I, 219, p. 277.
[66] Continuator Reginonis 964, MGH SS I, p. 627.
[67] Ruotgeri Vita Brunonis 41, MGH SS IV, pp. 270-1.
[68] Historia Walciodorensis Monasterii 29, MGH SS XIV, p. 519.
[69] Miraculis Sancti Gengulfi 3, MGH SS XV.2, p. 791.
[70] Duvivier, C. (1865) Recherches sur le Hainaut ancien (Brussels), XL, p. 379.
[71] Roland, C. G. ‘Histoire généalogique de la maison de Rumigny-Florennes’, Annales de la Société Archéologique de Namur, Tome 19 (Namur, 1891), p. 74, footnote 1.7
; Per Racines et Histoire: "Godefroi (Geoffroi) de Juliers, comte en Hainaut (~958) + 964 (Italie)
ép. Alpaïde (Alpaïs) de Lomegau (Hoegarde) ° ~921 + 986 (fille d’Erlebaud, seigneur de Lomegau et de Chimay, et d’Alpaïs de France ;
ép. 2) Eilbert, seigneur de Florennes +X 28/03/977, Fleurus.)4 " Alpaïde (Alpaïs) (?) de Lomegau (Hoegarde) was also known as Alpaide de Hogarde.2 GAV-29.
; Per Stewart email [2007]:
"Alpaide died on a 28 October ("Ob. Alpaidis mater Arnulfi"). Whether or not she was married to Eilbert after the death of Godfrey is open to question. Roland thought she was, and so did Misonne, both following the statement in a spurious history from Waulsort abbey (founded by Eilbert) written in the 12th century. However, apart from this the only evidences connecting them are first the earliest obituary of Florennes, that records the deaths of a group mostly related to the founders (Arnulf's sons), in which both figure but without any explicit link - as quoted above, Alpaide is described as mother to Arnulf, and Eilbert as husband of Hersende - and secondly an apparent error in a 10th-century addition to an account of the translation of relics that calls the father of Arnulf's sons "proles" (issue) of a lord named "Hilbertus", who could be identical with Eilbert. However, Eilbert was clearly not his father, and Misonne argues that "proles" must indicate a step-son rather than direct issue. I think it could just as well be quite wrong, or could be an odd way of saying that Alpaide's son Arnulf was issue of Eilbert's family, a blood relative in the succeeding generation, i.e Alpaide herself could have been a sister of Eilbert, or Godfrey could have been his close relative. Anyway, Arnulf inherited the lordship of Florennes that had belonged to Eilbert when the latter died on 28 March 977. Misonne was impressed by Eilbert and his wife appearing in the family group of obituary notices, but didn't explain why he and Alpaide are only identified by other relationships and not as spouses. Georges Despy in _Les chartes de l'abbaye de Waulsort_ (Brussels, 1957) had maintained that they were not married."6
; Per Med Lands:
"EILBERT (-28 Mar 977). The Historia Walciodorensis monasterii names "comes Eilbertus pater comes Ebroinus"[416]. Seigneur de Florennes. The Historia Walciodorensis monasterii records that "comes Ebroinus [et] Berta" had seven sons named (in order) "comes Eilbertus, secundus comes Uddo de Foix, deinde comes Heribertus de Sancto Quintino, Gerardus de Odenarde, comes Boso, comes Witerus et Macuardus venerabilis episcopus", recording in a later passage that Eilbert and Heribert captured "Karolus rex" in 922 and held him at Péronne[417], although most of this appears to be pure fantasy. "Otto…rex" confirmed the foundation of Kloster Waulsort "Walciodorus…in pago Ardenna" by "nobili viro Eilberto…et uxor sua Heresuindis" by charter dated 19 Sep 946[418].
"m firstly HERESWIND, daughter of --- (-[1 Jan] ----). The necrology of Gorze records the death "Kal Jan" of "Hersindis comitissa"[419], which may refer to the wife of Eilbert as her father-in-law's death is also recorded in the same source.
"m secondly (after 964) as her second husband, ALPAIDE, widow of GODEFROI Comte de Hainaut [GOTTFRIED associate Duke of [Lower] Lotharingia], daughter of --- (-after 981). Her two marriages are confirmed by reading the Historia Walciodorensis Monasterii, which records that the (unnamed) wife of [Eilbert] had "binos…adolescentulos…Godefrido et fratri…Arnulfo" from her previous marriage to whom their stepfather bequeathed "pagum Florinensem"[420], read together with the Miraculis Sancti Gengulfi which names "Arnulfus, Alpaidis et Godefridi Hainoensis pagi comitis filius" specifying that he was Seigneur de Florennes[421]. “Alpaidis” donated “villam...Roserias in pago Hasbanio sitam, super fluviolum Neropie, in comitatu Hoyensi” to Waulsort abbey by undated charter, signed by “Alpaidis eiusque filii Arnulphi...Wirici fratris Arnulphi, Alberti comitis, Gisleberti, Radbodi fratrum eius...”[422]. Roland records that a 13th century copy of this charter includes the date 981[423]."
Med Lands cites:
[416] Historia Walciodorensis monasterii 1, MGH SS XIV, p. 505.
[417] Historia Walciodorensis monasterii 3 and 5, MGH SS XIV, pp. 505 and 508.
[418] D O I 81, p. 160.
[419] 'Obits mémorables tirés de nécrologes luxembourgeois, rémois et messins', Revue Mabillon VI (1910-1911), p. 267.
[420] Historia Walciodorensis Monasterii 29, MGH SS XIV, p. 519.
[421] Miraculis Sancti Gengulfi 3, MGH SS XV.2, p. 791.
[422] Duvivier, C. (1865) Recherches sur le Hainaut ancien (Brussels), XL, p. 379.
[423] Roland, C. G. ‘Histoire généalogique de la maison de Rumigny-Florennes’, Annales de la Société Archéologique de Namur, Tome 19 (Namur, 1891), p. 74, footnote 1.5
[417] Historia Walciodorensis monasterii 3 and 5, MGH SS XIV, pp. 505 and 508.
[418] D O I 81, p. 160.
[419] 'Obits mémorables tirés de nécrologes luxembourgeois, rémois et messins', Revue Mabillon VI (1910-1911), p. 267.
[420] Historia Walciodorensis Monasterii 29, MGH SS XIV, p. 519.
[421] Miraculis Sancti Gengulfi 3, MGH SS XV.2, p. 791.
[422] Duvivier, C. (1865) Recherches sur le Hainaut ancien (Brussels), XL, p. 379.
[423] Roland, C. G. ‘Histoire généalogique de la maison de Rumigny-Florennes’, Annales de la Société Archéologique de Namur, Tome 19 (Namur, 1891), p. 74, footnote 1.5
Family 1 | Elbert de Florennes Seigneur de Florennes d. 28 Mar 977 |
Family 2 | Godefroi (Geoffroi) (?) de Juliers, comte en Hainaut d. 5 Aug 964 |
Children |
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Citations
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Florennes-Rumigny.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
- [S2149] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email #2 19 April 2007: "Query: the lords of Morialmé"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 19 April 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email #2 19 April 2007."
- [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Morialmé: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morialm%C3%A9. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs de Florennes & Rumigny, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Florennes-Rumigny.pdf
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NAMUR.htm#EilbertFlorennesdied977. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S2150] Peter Stewart, "Stewart email 23 Apr 2007: "Re: Query: the lords of Morialm"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 23 Apr 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Stewart email 23 Apr 2007."
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#Gottfrieddiedafter958
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 1 page (The Luxemburg Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg1.html
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 1 page (The Luxemburg Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg1.html
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Arnold I de Florennes: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139800&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NAMUR.htm#Arnauddied10021010
Erlebaud (?) seigneur de Lomegau et de Chimay1
M, #23677
Reference | GAV30 |
Last Edited | 18 Jan 2014 |
Family | Alpaïs (?) de France |
Child |
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Citations
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Florennes-Rumigny.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
Gozelo/Genzelon/Gozelin/Gothelon (?) Graf im Bridgau und Methingau1,2,3
M, #23678, b. circa 910, d. between 18 October 942 and 943
Father | Wigeric (?) Count in the Trier & Ardennesgau1,2,3 b. 886, d. 919 |
Mother | Kunigunde (?)1,2,3 b. c 890 |
Reference | GAV28 EDV28 |
Last Edited | 24 Dec 2020 |
Gozelo/Genzelon/Gozelin/Gothelon (?) Graf im Bridgau und Methingau was born circa 910; Genealogy.EU (Luxemburg 1) says c. ca 910; Genealogics says b. ca 910; Med Lands says b. bef 915.1,2,3 He married Oda/Uda von Metz, daughter of Gerhard/Matfride I (?) Graf im Metzgau and Oda/Uota (?) von Sachsen.1,4,5,2,3
Gozelo/Genzelon/Gozelin/Gothelon (?) Graf im Bridgau und Methingau died between 18 October 942 and 943.1,2,3
GAV-28 EDV-28 GKJ-29.
; This is the same person as ”Gozlin, Count of Bidgau and Methingau” at Wikipedia.6
Reference: Genealogics cites:
; Per Genealogy.EU (Luxemburg 1): “A2. Gozelin=Gothelon, Gf of Bidgau, *ca 911, +18.10.942/3; m.Uda of Metz (+7.4.963)”.7
; Per Med Lands:
"GOZELON, son of WIGERICH [III] Graf im Bidgau & his wife Cunegundis --- ([before 915]-[12 Oct 942/16 Feb 943][79] [19 Oct 942]). His parentage is indicated by the charter dated 943 which refers to "Gozlines…miles…ex nobilissimis regni Chlotarii ducens prosapia" (the wording implying that he was then deceased) and the donation by "uxor eius Uda et filius eius…Regingerus" to St Maximin at Trier of property "Hunzelinesdorph", subscribed by "Ogonis abbatis, Friderici, Gisilberti, Sigeberti fratrum predicti Gozlini"[80]. As Frederic is known to have been the brother of Adalbero [I] Bishop of Metz, whose parents are known (see above), it is assumed that all five individuals were sons of Wigerich [III] and Cunegonde (although it is also possible that some or all of them were uterine brothers born from the second marriage of Cunegonde). His birth date is estimated from his wife having given birth to four children before he died. He received the villa of Varangéville from his supposed brother Adalbéron and subscribed one of the latter's charters dated 15 Mar 942[81]. The necrology of the church of Reims records the death "XIV Kal Nov" of "Godefridus comes pater Adalberonis archiepiscopi”[82].
"m UDA, daughter of GERHARD Graf [Matfriede] & his wife Oda of Saxony (-after 18 May 963). A charter dated 943 refers to "Gozlines…miles…ex nobilissimis regni Chlotarii ducens prosapia" (the wording implying that he was then deceased) and the donation by "uxor eius Uda et filius eius…Regingerus" to St Maximin at Trier of property "Hunzelinesdorph", subscribed by "Ogonis abbatis, Friderici, Gisilberti, Sigeberti fratrum predicti Gozlini"[83]. The primary source which confirms her parentage has not yet been identified. "Otto…rex" confirmed a donation of property "Dauantri in pago…Hamalant in comitatu Wichmanni comitis…" inherited by "Uda nostra nepta" by charter dated 28 Aug 960[84]. "Uda…comitissa" donated property "in pago Rizzigowi cui Egylolfus comes" to St Maximin at Trier "pro remedio…seniorique mei Gozlini necnon filiorum meorum Henrici…et Reginheri, Godefridi quoque et Adalberonis" by charter dated 18 May 963 witnessed by "Sigefrido comite, Richwino comite"[85]."
Med Lands cites:
; Per Med Lands:
"UDA (-after 18 May 963). The primary source which confirms her parentage has not yet been identified. A charter dated 943 refers to "Gozlines…miles…ex nobilissimis regni Chlotarii ducens prosapia" (the wording implying that he was then deceased) and the donation by "uxor eius Uda et filius eius…Regingerus" to St Maximin at Trier of property "Hunzelinesdorph", subscribed by "Ogonis abbatis, Friderici, Gisilberti, Sigeberti fratrum predicti Gozlini"[817]. "Otto…rex" confirmed a donation of property "Dauantri in pago…Hamalant in comitatu Wichmanni comitis…" inherited by "Uda nostra nepta" by charter dated 28 Aug 960[818]. "Uda…comitissa" donated property "in pago Rizzigowi cui Egylolfus comes" to St Maximin at Trier "pro remedio…seniorique mei Gozlini necnon filiorum meorum Henrici…et Reginheri, Godefridi quoque et Adalberonis" by charter dated 18 May 963 witnessed by "Sigefrido comite, Richwino comite"[819].
"m GOZLIN [Gozelon] Comte, son of WIGERICH [III] Graf im Bidgau & his wife Cunegundis --- ([before 915]-[12 Oct 942/16 Feb 943][820] [19 Oct 942])."
Med Lands cites:
Gozelo/Genzelon/Gozelin/Gothelon (?) Graf im Bridgau und Methingau died between 18 October 942 and 943.1,2,3
GAV-28 EDV-28 GKJ-29.
; This is the same person as ”Gozlin, Count of Bidgau and Methingau” at Wikipedia.6
Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 6:127.
2. Caroli Magni Progenies, Neustadt an der Aisch, 1977 , Rösch, Siegfried. 141.2
2. Caroli Magni Progenies, Neustadt an der Aisch, 1977 , Rösch, Siegfried. 141.2
; Per Genealogy.EU (Luxemburg 1): “A2. Gozelin=Gothelon, Gf of Bidgau, *ca 911, +18.10.942/3; m.Uda of Metz (+7.4.963)”.7
; Per Med Lands:
"GOZELON, son of WIGERICH [III] Graf im Bidgau & his wife Cunegundis --- ([before 915]-[12 Oct 942/16 Feb 943][79] [19 Oct 942]). His parentage is indicated by the charter dated 943 which refers to "Gozlines…miles…ex nobilissimis regni Chlotarii ducens prosapia" (the wording implying that he was then deceased) and the donation by "uxor eius Uda et filius eius…Regingerus" to St Maximin at Trier of property "Hunzelinesdorph", subscribed by "Ogonis abbatis, Friderici, Gisilberti, Sigeberti fratrum predicti Gozlini"[80]. As Frederic is known to have been the brother of Adalbero [I] Bishop of Metz, whose parents are known (see above), it is assumed that all five individuals were sons of Wigerich [III] and Cunegonde (although it is also possible that some or all of them were uterine brothers born from the second marriage of Cunegonde). His birth date is estimated from his wife having given birth to four children before he died. He received the villa of Varangéville from his supposed brother Adalbéron and subscribed one of the latter's charters dated 15 Mar 942[81]. The necrology of the church of Reims records the death "XIV Kal Nov" of "Godefridus comes pater Adalberonis archiepiscopi”[82].
"m UDA, daughter of GERHARD Graf [Matfriede] & his wife Oda of Saxony (-after 18 May 963). A charter dated 943 refers to "Gozlines…miles…ex nobilissimis regni Chlotarii ducens prosapia" (the wording implying that he was then deceased) and the donation by "uxor eius Uda et filius eius…Regingerus" to St Maximin at Trier of property "Hunzelinesdorph", subscribed by "Ogonis abbatis, Friderici, Gisilberti, Sigeberti fratrum predicti Gozlini"[83]. The primary source which confirms her parentage has not yet been identified. "Otto…rex" confirmed a donation of property "Dauantri in pago…Hamalant in comitatu Wichmanni comitis…" inherited by "Uda nostra nepta" by charter dated 28 Aug 960[84]. "Uda…comitissa" donated property "in pago Rizzigowi cui Egylolfus comes" to St Maximin at Trier "pro remedio…seniorique mei Gozlini necnon filiorum meorum Henrici…et Reginheri, Godefridi quoque et Adalberonis" by charter dated 18 May 963 witnessed by "Sigefrido comite, Richwino comite"[85]."
Med Lands cites:
[79] ES I.2 202.
[80] Mittelrheinisches Urkundenbuch, I, 179, p. 241.
[81] Poull (1994), p. 9.
[82] Varin, P. (1844) Archives législatives de la ville de Reims (Paris) Seconde Partie, Statuts, Vol. I, p. 96.
[83] Mittelrheinisches Urkundenbuch, I, 179, p. 241.
[84] D O I 216, p. 298.
[85] Mittelrheinisches Urkundenbuch, I, 212, p. 272.3
[80] Mittelrheinisches Urkundenbuch, I, 179, p. 241.
[81] Poull (1994), p. 9.
[82] Varin, P. (1844) Archives législatives de la ville de Reims (Paris) Seconde Partie, Statuts, Vol. I, p. 96.
[83] Mittelrheinisches Urkundenbuch, I, 179, p. 241.
[84] D O I 216, p. 298.
[85] Mittelrheinisches Urkundenbuch, I, 212, p. 272.3
; Per Med Lands:
"UDA (-after 18 May 963). The primary source which confirms her parentage has not yet been identified. A charter dated 943 refers to "Gozlines…miles…ex nobilissimis regni Chlotarii ducens prosapia" (the wording implying that he was then deceased) and the donation by "uxor eius Uda et filius eius…Regingerus" to St Maximin at Trier of property "Hunzelinesdorph", subscribed by "Ogonis abbatis, Friderici, Gisilberti, Sigeberti fratrum predicti Gozlini"[817]. "Otto…rex" confirmed a donation of property "Dauantri in pago…Hamalant in comitatu Wichmanni comitis…" inherited by "Uda nostra nepta" by charter dated 28 Aug 960[818]. "Uda…comitissa" donated property "in pago Rizzigowi cui Egylolfus comes" to St Maximin at Trier "pro remedio…seniorique mei Gozlini necnon filiorum meorum Henrici…et Reginheri, Godefridi quoque et Adalberonis" by charter dated 18 May 963 witnessed by "Sigefrido comite, Richwino comite"[819].
"m GOZLIN [Gozelon] Comte, son of WIGERICH [III] Graf im Bidgau & his wife Cunegundis --- ([before 915]-[12 Oct 942/16 Feb 943][820] [19 Oct 942])."
Med Lands cites:
[817] Mittelrheinisches Urkundenbuch I, 179, p. 241.
[818] D O I 216, p. 298.
[819] Mittelrheinisches Urkundenbuch I, 212, p. 272.
[820] ES I.2 202.5
[818] D O I 216, p. 298.
[819] Mittelrheinisches Urkundenbuch I, 212, p. 272.
[820] ES I.2 202.5
Family | Oda/Uda von Metz b. c 902, d. a 7 Apr 963 |
Children |
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Citations
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 1 page (The Luxemburg Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg1.html
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gozelo: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00124988&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(LOWER)%20NOBILITY.htm#Gozelondied942B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Uda von Metz: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00124989&tree=LEO
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(UPPER)%20NOBILITY.htm#Udadiedafter963
- [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gozlin,_Count_of_Bidgau_and_Methingau. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, The Luxemburg family: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg1.html
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Godefroy: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00121020&tree=LEO
Oda/Uda von Metz1,2
F, #23679, b. circa 902, d. after 7 April 963
Father | Gerhard/Matfride I (?) Graf im Metzgau3,1,2 d. 910 |
Mother | Oda/Uota (?) von Sachsen4,1,2 b. 877, d. a 2 Jul 952 |
Reference | GAV31 |
Last Edited | 24 Dec 2020 |
Oda/Uda von Metz was born circa 902.5 She married Gozelo/Genzelon/Gozelin/Gothelon (?) Graf im Bridgau und Methingau, son of Wigeric (?) Count in the Trier & Ardennesgau and Kunigunde (?).6,1,2,7,8
Oda/Uda von Metz died after 7 April 963; Genealoogics says d. after 07 Apr 0963; Med Lands says d. after 18 May 963; Genealogy.EU (Luxemburg) says d. 7 Apr 963.6,1,2
; Per Med Lands:
"GOZELON, son of WIGERICH [III] Graf im Bidgau & his wife Cunegundis --- ([before 915]-[12 Oct 942/16 Feb 943][79] [19 Oct 942]). His parentage is indicated by the charter dated 943 which refers to "Gozlines…miles…ex nobilissimis regni Chlotarii ducens prosapia" (the wording implying that he was then deceased) and the donation by "uxor eius Uda et filius eius…Regingerus" to St Maximin at Trier of property "Hunzelinesdorph", subscribed by "Ogonis abbatis, Friderici, Gisilberti, Sigeberti fratrum predicti Gozlini"[80]. As Frederic is known to have been the brother of Adalbero [I] Bishop of Metz, whose parents are known (see above), it is assumed that all five individuals were sons of Wigerich [III] and Cunegonde (although it is also possible that some or all of them were uterine brothers born from the second marriage of Cunegonde). His birth date is estimated from his wife having given birth to four children before he died. He received the villa of Varangéville from his supposed brother Adalbéron and subscribed one of the latter's charters dated 15 Mar 942[81]. The necrology of the church of Reims records the death "XIV Kal Nov" of "Godefridus comes pater Adalberonis archiepiscopi”[82].
"m UDA, daughter of GERHARD Graf [Matfriede] & his wife Oda of Saxony (-after 18 May 963). A charter dated 943 refers to "Gozlines…miles…ex nobilissimis regni Chlotarii ducens prosapia" (the wording implying that he was then deceased) and the donation by "uxor eius Uda et filius eius…Regingerus" to St Maximin at Trier of property "Hunzelinesdorph", subscribed by "Ogonis abbatis, Friderici, Gisilberti, Sigeberti fratrum predicti Gozlini"[83]. The primary source which confirms her parentage has not yet been identified. "Otto…rex" confirmed a donation of property "Dauantri in pago…Hamalant in comitatu Wichmanni comitis…" inherited by "Uda nostra nepta" by charter dated 28 Aug 960[84]. "Uda…comitissa" donated property "in pago Rizzigowi cui Egylolfus comes" to St Maximin at Trier "pro remedio…seniorique mei Gozlini necnon filiorum meorum Henrici…et Reginheri, Godefridi quoque et Adalberonis" by charter dated 18 May 963 witnessed by "Sigefrido comite, Richwino comite"[85]."
Med Lands cites:
; Per Genealogy.EU (Luxemburg 1): “A2. Gozelin=Gothelon, Gf of Bidgau, *ca 911, +18.10.942/3; m.Uda of Metz (+7.4.963)”.9
Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 6:127; 1.2 204.1
; This is the same person as ”Oda of Metz” at Wikipedia.10 GAV-28 EDV-28 GKJ-29. Oda/Uda von Metz was also known as Uda of Saxony.11
; Per Med Lands:
"UDA (-after 18 May 963). The primary source which confirms her parentage has not yet been identified. A charter dated 943 refers to "Gozlines…miles…ex nobilissimis regni Chlotarii ducens prosapia" (the wording implying that he was then deceased) and the donation by "uxor eius Uda et filius eius…Regingerus" to St Maximin at Trier of property "Hunzelinesdorph", subscribed by "Ogonis abbatis, Friderici, Gisilberti, Sigeberti fratrum predicti Gozlini"[817]. "Otto…rex" confirmed a donation of property "Dauantri in pago…Hamalant in comitatu Wichmanni comitis…" inherited by "Uda nostra nepta" by charter dated 28 Aug 960[818]. "Uda…comitissa" donated property "in pago Rizzigowi cui Egylolfus comes" to St Maximin at Trier "pro remedio…seniorique mei Gozlini necnon filiorum meorum Henrici…et Reginheri, Godefridi quoque et Adalberonis" by charter dated 18 May 963 witnessed by "Sigefrido comite, Richwino comite"[819].
"m GOZLIN [Gozelon] Comte, son of WIGERICH [III] Graf im Bidgau & his wife Cunegundis --- ([before 915]-[12 Oct 942/16 Feb 943][820] [19 Oct 942])."
Med Lands cites:
Oda/Uda von Metz died after 7 April 963; Genealoogics says d. after 07 Apr 0963; Med Lands says d. after 18 May 963; Genealogy.EU (Luxemburg) says d. 7 Apr 963.6,1,2
; Per Med Lands:
"GOZELON, son of WIGERICH [III] Graf im Bidgau & his wife Cunegundis --- ([before 915]-[12 Oct 942/16 Feb 943][79] [19 Oct 942]). His parentage is indicated by the charter dated 943 which refers to "Gozlines…miles…ex nobilissimis regni Chlotarii ducens prosapia" (the wording implying that he was then deceased) and the donation by "uxor eius Uda et filius eius…Regingerus" to St Maximin at Trier of property "Hunzelinesdorph", subscribed by "Ogonis abbatis, Friderici, Gisilberti, Sigeberti fratrum predicti Gozlini"[80]. As Frederic is known to have been the brother of Adalbero [I] Bishop of Metz, whose parents are known (see above), it is assumed that all five individuals were sons of Wigerich [III] and Cunegonde (although it is also possible that some or all of them were uterine brothers born from the second marriage of Cunegonde). His birth date is estimated from his wife having given birth to four children before he died. He received the villa of Varangéville from his supposed brother Adalbéron and subscribed one of the latter's charters dated 15 Mar 942[81]. The necrology of the church of Reims records the death "XIV Kal Nov" of "Godefridus comes pater Adalberonis archiepiscopi”[82].
"m UDA, daughter of GERHARD Graf [Matfriede] & his wife Oda of Saxony (-after 18 May 963). A charter dated 943 refers to "Gozlines…miles…ex nobilissimis regni Chlotarii ducens prosapia" (the wording implying that he was then deceased) and the donation by "uxor eius Uda et filius eius…Regingerus" to St Maximin at Trier of property "Hunzelinesdorph", subscribed by "Ogonis abbatis, Friderici, Gisilberti, Sigeberti fratrum predicti Gozlini"[83]. The primary source which confirms her parentage has not yet been identified. "Otto…rex" confirmed a donation of property "Dauantri in pago…Hamalant in comitatu Wichmanni comitis…" inherited by "Uda nostra nepta" by charter dated 28 Aug 960[84]. "Uda…comitissa" donated property "in pago Rizzigowi cui Egylolfus comes" to St Maximin at Trier "pro remedio…seniorique mei Gozlini necnon filiorum meorum Henrici…et Reginheri, Godefridi quoque et Adalberonis" by charter dated 18 May 963 witnessed by "Sigefrido comite, Richwino comite"[85]."
Med Lands cites:
[79] ES I.2 202.
[80] Mittelrheinisches Urkundenbuch, I, 179, p. 241.
[81] Poull (1994), p. 9.
[82] Varin, P. (1844) Archives législatives de la ville de Reims (Paris) Seconde Partie, Statuts, Vol. I, p. 96.
[83] Mittelrheinisches Urkundenbuch, I, 179, p. 241.
[84] D O I 216, p. 298.
[85] Mittelrheinisches Urkundenbuch, I, 212, p. 272.8
[80] Mittelrheinisches Urkundenbuch, I, 179, p. 241.
[81] Poull (1994), p. 9.
[82] Varin, P. (1844) Archives législatives de la ville de Reims (Paris) Seconde Partie, Statuts, Vol. I, p. 96.
[83] Mittelrheinisches Urkundenbuch, I, 179, p. 241.
[84] D O I 216, p. 298.
[85] Mittelrheinisches Urkundenbuch, I, 212, p. 272.8
; Per Genealogy.EU (Luxemburg 1): “A2. Gozelin=Gothelon, Gf of Bidgau, *ca 911, +18.10.942/3; m.Uda of Metz (+7.4.963)”.9
Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 6:127; 1.2 204.1
; This is the same person as ”Oda of Metz” at Wikipedia.10 GAV-28 EDV-28 GKJ-29. Oda/Uda von Metz was also known as Uda of Saxony.11
; Per Med Lands:
"UDA (-after 18 May 963). The primary source which confirms her parentage has not yet been identified. A charter dated 943 refers to "Gozlines…miles…ex nobilissimis regni Chlotarii ducens prosapia" (the wording implying that he was then deceased) and the donation by "uxor eius Uda et filius eius…Regingerus" to St Maximin at Trier of property "Hunzelinesdorph", subscribed by "Ogonis abbatis, Friderici, Gisilberti, Sigeberti fratrum predicti Gozlini"[817]. "Otto…rex" confirmed a donation of property "Dauantri in pago…Hamalant in comitatu Wichmanni comitis…" inherited by "Uda nostra nepta" by charter dated 28 Aug 960[818]. "Uda…comitissa" donated property "in pago Rizzigowi cui Egylolfus comes" to St Maximin at Trier "pro remedio…seniorique mei Gozlini necnon filiorum meorum Henrici…et Reginheri, Godefridi quoque et Adalberonis" by charter dated 18 May 963 witnessed by "Sigefrido comite, Richwino comite"[819].
"m GOZLIN [Gozelon] Comte, son of WIGERICH [III] Graf im Bidgau & his wife Cunegundis --- ([before 915]-[12 Oct 942/16 Feb 943][820] [19 Oct 942])."
Med Lands cites:
[817] Mittelrheinisches Urkundenbuch I, 179, p. 241.
[818] D O I 216, p. 298.
[819] Mittelrheinisches Urkundenbuch I, 212, p. 272.
[820] ES I.2 202.2
[818] D O I 216, p. 298.
[819] Mittelrheinisches Urkundenbuch I, 212, p. 272.
[820] ES I.2 202.2
Family | Gozelo/Genzelon/Gozelin/Gothelon (?) Graf im Bridgau und Methingau b. c 910, d. bt 18 Oct 942 - 943 |
Children |
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Citations
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Uda von Metz: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00124989&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(UPPER)%20NOBILITY.htm#Udadiedafter963. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gerhard: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00124986&tree=LEO
- [S1709] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SHOW&db=jweber, Jim Weber (unknown location), downloaded updated 16 July 2005 accessed 7 Aug 2005, http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=jweber&id=I03997&style=TEXT
- [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I44651
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 1 page (The Luxemburg Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg1.html
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gozelo: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00124988&tree=LEO
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(LOWER)%20NOBILITY.htm#Gozelondied942B
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, The Luxemburg family: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg1.html
- [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oda_of_Metz. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Lorraine 1 page (The House of Lorraine): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/lorraine/lorraine1.html
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Godefroy: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00121020&tree=LEO
Plectrudis (?)1,2,3
F, #23680, d. after 717
Father | Hugobert (?) Seneschal, Pfalzgraf1,4,5,6,7 d. c 697 |
Mother | Irmina (?) of Oeren/Trier7,8 d. a 710 |
Last Edited | 25 Jun 2020 |
Plectrudis (?) married Pepin II "le Gros/d'Herstal" (?) of Heristal, son of AnsegiselAnguiseAnchises (?) Mayor of Austrasia and Saint Begga (?) of Landen, in 673
;
His 1st wife.9,10,11,6,12,7
Plectrudis (?) died after 717.3,6
Plectrudis (?) was buried in 718 at Sankt Maria im Kapitol, Cologne (Köln), Stadtkreis Köln, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany; From Find A Grave:
BIRTH unknown, Munich (München), Stadtkreis München, Bavaria (Bayern), Germany
DEATH 718, Germany
Plectrude was the wife of Pepin of Herstal, the mayor of the palace and duke of the Franks. She was the daughter of Hugobert, seneschal of Clovis IV, and Irmina of Oeren. Plectrude has been described as politically active and influential upon her husband and his reign. She tried to ensure that her grandchildren ( both her sons by Pepin predeceased him) would inherit and she got Pepin's assent that Theudoald would be his main heir. When Pepin died soon in 714, she imprisoned his dangerous illegitimate son Charles "The Hammer" Martel in Cologne. Charles escaped and been acclaimed mayor by the nobles of that kingdom. In 717, Charles chased Chilperic II, king of the Franks, and Ragenfrid, his mayor of the palace to Paris before turning back to deal with Plectrude in Cologne. He took the city and dispersed her adherents. Plectude died later in 717 in the Abbey she founded, St. Maria im Kapitol in Cologne.
Family Members
Parents
Hugobert von Echternach 645–697
Irmina d'Oeren 650–704
Spouse
Pepin II of Herstal 635–714
Siblings
Gisele d'Aquitaine
Children
Drogo of Champagne
BURIAL Sankt Maria im Kapitol, Cologne, Stadtkreis Köln, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany
Created by: Kat
Added: 4 Feb 2012
Find a Grave Memorial 84468539.13
; Per Med Lands:
"PEPIN [II] "le Gros" or "d'Herstal", son of ANSEGISEL & his wife Begga ([645/50]-Jupille, near Liège 16 Dec 714, bur Metz, basilique de Saint-Arnoul). The Gesta Episcoporum Mettensis names "Anschisus" as father of "Pippinum"[115]. "Pippinus" declares himself "filius Ansegisili" in his charter dated 20 Feb 691, which also names "matrona mea Plectrudis"[116]. The estimated birth date attributed to Pépin [II] is consistent with the general chronology of this family, but can only be approximate. The Annales Xantenses name "Pippinus" as son of "Anchisus dux" when recording that he succeeded on the death of his father in 685[117], although this is misdated. "Pipinum secundum" is named as son of Ansegisel and Begga in the Chronicon Sancti Huberti[118]. Duke in Austrasia [676/80]: the Liber Historiæ Francorum records that, after the death of "Vulfoaldo de Auster", "Martinus et Pippinus iunior filius Anseghiselo quondam…duces" were dominant in Austrasia ("decedentibus regibus, dominabantur in Austria") and led the Austrasian army against "Theudericum regem et Ebroinum" but were defeated at "loco…Lucofao", adding that "Martinus" found refuge at Laon where he was later killed by emissaries from Ebroin while "Pippinus" escaped[119]. The passage can be dated to [676/80]. Civil war with Neustria broke out, until Pépin defeated the Neustrians at Tertry, Somme in Jun 687 before becoming maior domus of Austrasia in [688/90]. Fredegar (Continuator) records that he became maior domus of Neustria in 688 after the murder of maior domus Berchar[120]. "Pippinus filius Ansegisili quondam necnon…matrone mea Plectrudis" donated property to the church of St Arnulf at Metz by charter dated 20 Feb 691[121]. "Childebertus rex Francorum" names "Pippino maiorem domus nostro" in his charter dated 14 Mar 697[122]. Fredegar (Continuator) records that he defeated Radbod Duke of the Frisians at Duurstede in [692/97][123]. The Liber Historiæ Francorum records the death of "Pippinus" after ruling for 27 years[124]. The Chronicon Sancti Medardi Suessionensis records the death in 714 of “Pippinus senior Princeps Francorum et Dux, Præfectus Palatii et Major-domus” and the accession of “Carolus dictus Martellus in loco patris”[125]. The Annales Metenses record the death "XVII Kal Ian 714" of "Pippinus princeps"[126].
"m firstly ([670/75]) PLECTRUDIS, daughter of HUGOBERT & his wife [Irmina ---] (-after 717, bur Köln, St Maria im Kapitol). "Pippinus" names "matrona mea Plectrudis, filia Huogoberti quondam" in his two charters dated 13 May 706[127]. The Liber Historiæ Francorum names "Pippino…uxor nobilissima…Plectrudis" but does not give her origin[128]. After the death of her husband, she "took everything under her control" according to Fredegar (Continuator)[129]. The Monumenta Epternacensia records that "Raginfredum maiorem domus" married "Plectrudem"[130], but this is not corroborated by other sources. She was regent for her grandson Theodebald, but opposed by her stepson Charles "Martel" whom she imprisoned. Charles escaped, and defeated the forces of Plectrudis at Vinchy, near Cambrai, 28 May 717. She founded St Maria im Kapitol at Köln.
"[m] secondly (bigamously) CHALPAIS [Alpais], sister of DODO, daughter of ---. The Liber Historiæ Francorum records that Pépin had "filium ex alia uxore…Carlo" but does not name the child’s mother[131]. Fredegar (Continuator) records that Pépin married another wife ("aliam duxit uxorem") "nobilem…Chalpaida" by whom he had "filium…Carlo"[132]. Sigeberto's Vita Landiberto episcopi Traiectensis names "puellam nobilem…Alpaidem" as second wife of Pépin, specifying that she was "soror…Dodonis qui domesticus Pippini principis erat"[133]. The mid-12th century Genealogica ex Stirpe Sancti Arnulfi names "Alpade, sorore Dodonis, qui sanctum Lambertum episcopum Leodinensem martyrisavit" as second wife of Pépin[134]. Settipani does not support the theory that Alpais was the sister of Bertrada, mother of Charibert, whose daughter married Pépin King of the Franks, the hypothesis being based on King Pépin and his wife inheriting property from their respective fathers[135]. The Chronicle of St Bèze records that "Dodone comite" killed "sanctus Lambertus Tungrorum Episcopus"[136].
"Mistress (1): ---. The name of Pépin's mistress is not known.
"Pépin & his first wife had two children:
"Pépin & his second [wife] had one child:
"Pépin had [one illegitimate son by Mistress (1)]:
Med Lands cites:
; Per Genealogy.EU (Carolin 2): “B1. Pipin II of Heristal, Maiordomus in Austrasia and Neustria and Bourgogne 680, King of Franks, *635, +Jupille nr Liege 16.12.714; m.673 Alpais N (+after 714), dau.of Childebrand N /OR Plectrudis N”.14
; This is the same person as:
”Plectrude” at Wikipedia and as
”Plectrude” at Wikipédia (Fr.)15,16
Reference: Genealogics cites: Caroli Magni Progenies Neustadt an der Aisch, 1977. , Siegfried Rosch, Reference: 52.7 Plectrudis (?) was also known as Plektrudis (?)7
; Per Med Lands:
"PLECTRUDIS (-after 717, bur Köln, St Maria im Kapitol). "Pippinus" names "matrona mea Plectrudis, filia Huogoberti quondam" in his two charters dated 13 May 706[477]. The Liber Historiæ Francorum names "Pippino…uxor nobilissima…Plectrudis" but does not give her origin[478]. After the death of her husband, she "took everything under her control"[479]. The Monumenta Epternacensia records that "Raginfredum maiorem domus" married "Plectrudem"[480]. She was regent for her grandson Theodebald, but opposed by her stepson Charles "Martel" whom she imprisoned. He escaped, and defeated the forces of Plectrudis at Vinchy, near Cambrai, 28 May 717. She founded St Maria im Kapitol at Köln.
"m ([670/75]) as his first wife, PEPIN [II] "le Gros" or "d'Herstal", son of ANSEGISEL & his wife Begga ([645/50]-Jupille, near Liège 16 Dec 714, bur Metz, basilique de Saint-Arnoul)."
Med Lands cites:
;
His 1st wife.9,10,11,6,12,7
Plectrudis (?) died after 717.3,6
Plectrudis (?) was buried in 718 at Sankt Maria im Kapitol, Cologne (Köln), Stadtkreis Köln, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany; From Find A Grave:
BIRTH unknown, Munich (München), Stadtkreis München, Bavaria (Bayern), Germany
DEATH 718, Germany
Plectrude was the wife of Pepin of Herstal, the mayor of the palace and duke of the Franks. She was the daughter of Hugobert, seneschal of Clovis IV, and Irmina of Oeren. Plectrude has been described as politically active and influential upon her husband and his reign. She tried to ensure that her grandchildren ( both her sons by Pepin predeceased him) would inherit and she got Pepin's assent that Theudoald would be his main heir. When Pepin died soon in 714, she imprisoned his dangerous illegitimate son Charles "The Hammer" Martel in Cologne. Charles escaped and been acclaimed mayor by the nobles of that kingdom. In 717, Charles chased Chilperic II, king of the Franks, and Ragenfrid, his mayor of the palace to Paris before turning back to deal with Plectrude in Cologne. He took the city and dispersed her adherents. Plectude died later in 717 in the Abbey she founded, St. Maria im Kapitol in Cologne.
Family Members
Parents
Hugobert von Echternach 645–697
Irmina d'Oeren 650–704
Spouse
Pepin II of Herstal 635–714
Siblings
Gisele d'Aquitaine
Children
Drogo of Champagne
BURIAL Sankt Maria im Kapitol, Cologne, Stadtkreis Köln, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany
Created by: Kat
Added: 4 Feb 2012
Find a Grave Memorial 84468539.13
; Per Med Lands:
"PEPIN [II] "le Gros" or "d'Herstal", son of ANSEGISEL & his wife Begga ([645/50]-Jupille, near Liège 16 Dec 714, bur Metz, basilique de Saint-Arnoul). The Gesta Episcoporum Mettensis names "Anschisus" as father of "Pippinum"[115]. "Pippinus" declares himself "filius Ansegisili" in his charter dated 20 Feb 691, which also names "matrona mea Plectrudis"[116]. The estimated birth date attributed to Pépin [II] is consistent with the general chronology of this family, but can only be approximate. The Annales Xantenses name "Pippinus" as son of "Anchisus dux" when recording that he succeeded on the death of his father in 685[117], although this is misdated. "Pipinum secundum" is named as son of Ansegisel and Begga in the Chronicon Sancti Huberti[118]. Duke in Austrasia [676/80]: the Liber Historiæ Francorum records that, after the death of "Vulfoaldo de Auster", "Martinus et Pippinus iunior filius Anseghiselo quondam…duces" were dominant in Austrasia ("decedentibus regibus, dominabantur in Austria") and led the Austrasian army against "Theudericum regem et Ebroinum" but were defeated at "loco…Lucofao", adding that "Martinus" found refuge at Laon where he was later killed by emissaries from Ebroin while "Pippinus" escaped[119]. The passage can be dated to [676/80]. Civil war with Neustria broke out, until Pépin defeated the Neustrians at Tertry, Somme in Jun 687 before becoming maior domus of Austrasia in [688/90]. Fredegar (Continuator) records that he became maior domus of Neustria in 688 after the murder of maior domus Berchar[120]. "Pippinus filius Ansegisili quondam necnon…matrone mea Plectrudis" donated property to the church of St Arnulf at Metz by charter dated 20 Feb 691[121]. "Childebertus rex Francorum" names "Pippino maiorem domus nostro" in his charter dated 14 Mar 697[122]. Fredegar (Continuator) records that he defeated Radbod Duke of the Frisians at Duurstede in [692/97][123]. The Liber Historiæ Francorum records the death of "Pippinus" after ruling for 27 years[124]. The Chronicon Sancti Medardi Suessionensis records the death in 714 of “Pippinus senior Princeps Francorum et Dux, Præfectus Palatii et Major-domus” and the accession of “Carolus dictus Martellus in loco patris”[125]. The Annales Metenses record the death "XVII Kal Ian 714" of "Pippinus princeps"[126].
"m firstly ([670/75]) PLECTRUDIS, daughter of HUGOBERT & his wife [Irmina ---] (-after 717, bur Köln, St Maria im Kapitol). "Pippinus" names "matrona mea Plectrudis, filia Huogoberti quondam" in his two charters dated 13 May 706[127]. The Liber Historiæ Francorum names "Pippino…uxor nobilissima…Plectrudis" but does not give her origin[128]. After the death of her husband, she "took everything under her control" according to Fredegar (Continuator)[129]. The Monumenta Epternacensia records that "Raginfredum maiorem domus" married "Plectrudem"[130], but this is not corroborated by other sources. She was regent for her grandson Theodebald, but opposed by her stepson Charles "Martel" whom she imprisoned. Charles escaped, and defeated the forces of Plectrudis at Vinchy, near Cambrai, 28 May 717. She founded St Maria im Kapitol at Köln.
"[m] secondly (bigamously) CHALPAIS [Alpais], sister of DODO, daughter of ---. The Liber Historiæ Francorum records that Pépin had "filium ex alia uxore…Carlo" but does not name the child’s mother[131]. Fredegar (Continuator) records that Pépin married another wife ("aliam duxit uxorem") "nobilem…Chalpaida" by whom he had "filium…Carlo"[132]. Sigeberto's Vita Landiberto episcopi Traiectensis names "puellam nobilem…Alpaidem" as second wife of Pépin, specifying that she was "soror…Dodonis qui domesticus Pippini principis erat"[133]. The mid-12th century Genealogica ex Stirpe Sancti Arnulfi names "Alpade, sorore Dodonis, qui sanctum Lambertum episcopum Leodinensem martyrisavit" as second wife of Pépin[134]. Settipani does not support the theory that Alpais was the sister of Bertrada, mother of Charibert, whose daughter married Pépin King of the Franks, the hypothesis being based on King Pépin and his wife inheriting property from their respective fathers[135]. The Chronicle of St Bèze records that "Dodone comite" killed "sanctus Lambertus Tungrorum Episcopus"[136].
"Mistress (1): ---. The name of Pépin's mistress is not known.
"Pépin & his first wife had two children:
1. DROGO (-24 Mar 708, bur Metz, Abbaye de Saint-Arnoul[137]).
2. GRIMOALD (-murdered Liège Apr 714).
2. GRIMOALD (-murdered Liège Apr 714).
"Pépin & his second [wife] had one child:
3. CHARLES “Martel” ([690]-Quierzy-sur-Oise, Aisne 16 or 22 Oct 741, bur église de l'abbaye royale de Saint Denis).
"Pépin had [one illegitimate son by Mistress (1)]:
4. [CHILDEBRAND (-after 751, maybe after 762)."
Med Lands cites:
[115] Pauli Gesta Episcoporum Mettensis , MGH SS 2, p. 265.
[116] MGH Diplomatum Imperii I, Diplomata Maiorum Domum, 2, pp. 91-2.
[117] Annales Xantenses 685, MGH SS II, p. 220.
[118] Chronicon Sancti Huberti Andaginensis 3 (7), MHG SS VIII, p. 570.
[119] Liber Historiæ Francorum, 46, MGH SS rer Merov, Tome II, p. 319.
[120] Fredegar (Continuator), 5, MGH SS rer Merov, Tome II, p. 171.
[121] MGH DD Mer (1872), Diplomata Maiorum Domus ex stirpe Arnulforum, 2, p. 92.
[122] MGH Diplomatum Imperii I, Diplomata Regum Francorum, 70, p. 62.
[123] Fredegar (Continuator), 6, MGH SS rer Merov, Tome II, p. 172.
[124] Liber Historiæ Francorum 51, MGH SS rer Merov, Tome II, p. 325.
[125] Chronica Sancti Medardi Suessionensis, Spicilegium II, p. 487.
[126] Annales Mettenses 714, MGH SS I, p. 322.
[127] MGH Diplomatum Imperii I, Diplomata Maiorum Domum, 4 and 5, pp. 93-4.
[128] Liber Historiæ Francorum 48, MGH SS rer Merov, Tome II, p. 323.
[129] Fredegar (Continuator), 8, MGH SS rer Merov, Tome II, p. 173.
[130] Monumenta Epternacensia, MGH SS XXIII, p. 59.
[131] Liber Historiæ Francorum, 49, MGH SS rer Merov, Tome II, p. 324.
[132] Fredegar (Continuator), 6, MGH SS rer Merov, Tome II, p. 172.
[133] Vita Landberti episcopi Traiectensis Auctore Sigeberto xvi, MGH SS rer. Merov. VI, p. 397.
[134] Genealogica ex Stirpe Sancti Arnulfi descendentium Mettensis 1, MGH SS XXV, p. 382.
[135] Settipani (1993), p. 156.
[136] Abbé E. Bougaud (ed.) (1875) Besuensis Abbatiæ Chronicon, authore Joanne Monacho (Dijon) [same volume as Chronicle of Saint-Bénigne de Dijon], p. 246, footnote 2 commenting that the murder took place in 696 and that Dodon was the brother of Alpais.10
[116] MGH Diplomatum Imperii I, Diplomata Maiorum Domum, 2, pp. 91-2.
[117] Annales Xantenses 685, MGH SS II, p. 220.
[118] Chronicon Sancti Huberti Andaginensis 3 (7), MHG SS VIII, p. 570.
[119] Liber Historiæ Francorum, 46, MGH SS rer Merov, Tome II, p. 319.
[120] Fredegar (Continuator), 5, MGH SS rer Merov, Tome II, p. 171.
[121] MGH DD Mer (1872), Diplomata Maiorum Domus ex stirpe Arnulforum, 2, p. 92.
[122] MGH Diplomatum Imperii I, Diplomata Regum Francorum, 70, p. 62.
[123] Fredegar (Continuator), 6, MGH SS rer Merov, Tome II, p. 172.
[124] Liber Historiæ Francorum 51, MGH SS rer Merov, Tome II, p. 325.
[125] Chronica Sancti Medardi Suessionensis, Spicilegium II, p. 487.
[126] Annales Mettenses 714, MGH SS I, p. 322.
[127] MGH Diplomatum Imperii I, Diplomata Maiorum Domum, 4 and 5, pp. 93-4.
[128] Liber Historiæ Francorum 48, MGH SS rer Merov, Tome II, p. 323.
[129] Fredegar (Continuator), 8, MGH SS rer Merov, Tome II, p. 173.
[130] Monumenta Epternacensia, MGH SS XXIII, p. 59.
[131] Liber Historiæ Francorum, 49, MGH SS rer Merov, Tome II, p. 324.
[132] Fredegar (Continuator), 6, MGH SS rer Merov, Tome II, p. 172.
[133] Vita Landberti episcopi Traiectensis Auctore Sigeberto xvi, MGH SS rer. Merov. VI, p. 397.
[134] Genealogica ex Stirpe Sancti Arnulfi descendentium Mettensis 1, MGH SS XXV, p. 382.
[135] Settipani (1993), p. 156.
[136] Abbé E. Bougaud (ed.) (1875) Besuensis Abbatiæ Chronicon, authore Joanne Monacho (Dijon) [same volume as Chronicle of Saint-Bénigne de Dijon], p. 246, footnote 2 commenting that the murder took place in 696 and that Dodon was the brother of Alpais.10
; Per Genealogy.EU (Carolin 2): “B1. Pipin II of Heristal, Maiordomus in Austrasia and Neustria and Bourgogne 680, King of Franks, *635, +Jupille nr Liege 16.12.714; m.673 Alpais N (+after 714), dau.of Childebrand N /OR Plectrudis N”.14
; This is the same person as:
”Plectrude” at Wikipedia and as
”Plectrude” at Wikipédia (Fr.)15,16
Reference: Genealogics cites: Caroli Magni Progenies Neustadt an der Aisch, 1977. , Siegfried Rosch, Reference: 52.7 Plectrudis (?) was also known as Plektrudis (?)7
; Per Med Lands:
"PLECTRUDIS (-after 717, bur Köln, St Maria im Kapitol). "Pippinus" names "matrona mea Plectrudis, filia Huogoberti quondam" in his two charters dated 13 May 706[477]. The Liber Historiæ Francorum names "Pippino…uxor nobilissima…Plectrudis" but does not give her origin[478]. After the death of her husband, she "took everything under her control"[479]. The Monumenta Epternacensia records that "Raginfredum maiorem domus" married "Plectrudem"[480]. She was regent for her grandson Theodebald, but opposed by her stepson Charles "Martel" whom she imprisoned. He escaped, and defeated the forces of Plectrudis at Vinchy, near Cambrai, 28 May 717. She founded St Maria im Kapitol at Köln.
"m ([670/75]) as his first wife, PEPIN [II] "le Gros" or "d'Herstal", son of ANSEGISEL & his wife Begga ([645/50]-Jupille, near Liège 16 Dec 714, bur Metz, basilique de Saint-Arnoul)."
Med Lands cites:
[477] MGH Diplomatum Imperii I, Diplomata Maiorum Domum, no. 4 and 5, pp. 93-4.
[478] Liber Historiæ Francorum 48, MGH SS rer Merov, Tome II, p. 323.
[479] Fredegar (Continuator), 8, MGH SS rer Merov, Tome II, p. 173.
[480] Monumenta Epternacensia, MGH SS XXIII, p. 59.6
[478] Liber Historiæ Francorum 48, MGH SS rer Merov, Tome II, p. 323.
[479] Fredegar (Continuator), 8, MGH SS rer Merov, Tome II, p. 173.
[480] Monumenta Epternacensia, MGH SS XXIII, p. 59.6
Family | Pepin II "le Gros/d'Herstal" (?) of Heristal b. c 645, d. 15 Nov 714 |
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Citations
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- [S1224] General Editor Peter N. Stearns, The Encyclopedia of World History, Sixth Edition (Boston: Houghton Mifflin Company, 2001), pp. 172. Hereinafter cited as The Encyclopedia of World History, 6th Ed.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Plektrudis: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020927&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
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- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugobert: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020932&tree=LEO
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- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Carolin 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/carolin/carolin2.html
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANKSMaiordomi.htm#NIbelungdiedbefore786A
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Pippin: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020925&tree=LEO
- [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Pépin de Herstal: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C3%A9pin_de_Herstal. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
- [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com: accessed 25 June 2020), memorial page for Plectrude of Bavaria (unknown–718), Find a Grave Memorial no. 84468539, citing Sankt Maria im Kapitol, Cologne, Stadtkreis Köln, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany; Maintained by Kat (contributor 47496397), at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/84468539. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Carolin 2: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/carolin/carolin2.html#Char
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- [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I872
Farahild (?)1
F, #23681
Last Edited | 27 Oct 2019 |
Family | Wandregisis (?) |
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Citations
- [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theuderic_III. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
Renard III (?) Count de Toul1
M, #23685, d. circa 1077
Father | Frederic I (?) Count de Toul2 |
Mother | Gertrude de Toul3 |
Last Edited | 14 May 2009 |
Renard III (?) Count de Toul died circa 1077.1 He married Gisele de Vaudémont, daughter of Gerhard I (?) Comte de Vaudémont and Helvide/Edith von Dagsburg Heiress of Egisheim, circa 1120
; her 1st husband.4,5,6
; her 1st husband.4,5,6
Family | Gisele de Vaudémont b. 1090, d. a 1141 |
Child |
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Citations
- [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32462
- [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32464
- [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32465
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gisèle de Vaudemont: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026516&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Lorraine 11 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/lorraine/lorraine11.html
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bar.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
Frederic I (?) Count de Toul1
M, #23686
Last Edited | 27 Mar 2004 |
Family | Gertrude de Toul |
Child |
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Citations
- [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32464
- [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32465
Gertrude de Toul1
F, #23687
Father | Renard II (?) Count de Toul2 d. c 1034 |
Last Edited | 27 Mar 2004 |
Family | Frederic I (?) Count de Toul |
Child |
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Citations
- [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32465
- [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32466
Renard II (?) Count de Toul1
M, #23688, d. circa 1034
Father | Renard I (?) Count de Toul2 |
Last Edited | 5 Apr 2004 |
Renard II (?) Count de Toul died circa 1034.1
Family | |
Child |
Citations
- [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32466
- [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32467
Renard I (?) Count de Toul1
M, #23689
Father | Raimbaud (?) Count de Toul2 d. c 1019 |
Mother | Gisele (?)3 |
Last Edited | 5 Apr 2004 |
Family | |
Child |
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Citations
- [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32467
- [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32468
- [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32469
Raimbaud (?) Count de Toul1
M, #23690, d. circa 1019
Last Edited | 5 Apr 2004 |
Family | Gisele (?) |
Child |
Citations
- [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32468
- [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32469
Gisele (?)1
F, #23691
Last Edited | 4 Apr 2004 |
Family | Raimbaud (?) Count de Toul d. c 1019 |
Child |
Citations
- [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32469
Voiry d'Ardennes Count of Ardennes1
M, #23693, d. 918
Father | NN (?) Count of Saundis2 |
Last Edited | 2 Dec 2004 |
Voiry d'Ardennes Count of Ardennes married Cunigunde (?)1
Voiry d'Ardennes Count of Ardennes died in 918.1
Voiry d'Ardennes Count of Ardennes died in 918.1
Family | Cunigunde (?) |
Child |
Citations
- [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I30816
- [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32098
NN (?) Count of Saundis1
M, #23695
Father | Arnoul III (?) Count de Chaumontois2 d. c 820 |
Last Edited | 28 Nov 2020 |
Family | |
Child |
Citations
- [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32098
- [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32099
Arnoul III (?) Count de Chaumontois1
M, #23696, d. circa 820
Father | Agnorald de Chaumontois2 d. c 790 |
Last Edited | 29 Sep 2004 |
Arnoul III (?) Count de Chaumontois died circa 820.1
Family | |
Child |
Citations
- [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32099
- [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32100
Agnorald de Chaumontois1
M, #23697, d. circa 790
Father | Arnoul II (?) Count de Chaumontois2 d. 723 |
Last Edited | 2 Dec 2004 |
Agnorald de Chaumontois died circa 790.1
Family | |
Child |
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Citations
- [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32100
- [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32101
Arnoul II (?) Count de Chaumontois1
M, #23698, d. 723
Father | Drogo/Dreux (?) Count of Champgane2 d. 708 |
Mother | Anstrude (?)3 |
Last Edited | 29 Sep 2004 |
Arnoul II (?) Count de Chaumontois died in 723.1
Family | |
Child |
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Citations
- [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32101
- [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32102
- [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32103
Drogo/Dreux (?) Count of Champgane1
M, #23699, d. 708
Father | Pepin II "le Gros/d'Herstal" (?) of Heristal2,1,3,4,5 b. c 645, d. 15 Nov 714 |
Mother | Plectrudis (?)2,1,3,6 d. a 717 |
Last Edited | 25 Jun 2020 |
Drogo/Dreux (?) Count of Champgane married Anstrude (?)7
Drogo/Dreux (?) Count of Champgane died in 708.8,1
Drogo/Dreux (?) Count of Champgane died in 708.8,1
Family | Anstrude (?) |
Child |
Citations
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Carolin 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/carolin/carolin2.html
- [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I872
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANKSMaiordomi.htm#NIbelungdiedbefore786A. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Pippin: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020925&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Pépin de Herstal: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C3%A9pin_de_Herstal. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Plektrudis: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020927&tree=LEO
- [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32103
- [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32102
Anstrude (?)1
F, #23700
Last Edited | 29 Sep 2004 |
Anstrude (?) married Drogo/Dreux (?) Count of Champgane, son of Pepin II "le Gros/d'Herstal" (?) of Heristal and Plectrudis (?).1
Family | Drogo/Dreux (?) Count of Champgane d. 708 |
Child |
Citations
- [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32103