Theodebert (?) of Madrie1

M, #60151
ReferenceGAV33
Last Edited17 Sep 2020
     GAV-33.

Family

Child

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Carolin 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/carolin/carolin1.html

Berthe (?)1

F, #60152
FatherPepin I (?) King of Aquitaine1 b. bt 797 - 803, d. 13 Dec 835
MotherRingart (?)1 b. c 803, d. c 803
Last Edited14 Nov 2003
     Berthe (?) married Gerard (?) Duc d'Aquitaine in 839.1
     ; Berthe (?); m.839 Ct Gerard, Duc of Aquitaine (+841.)1

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Carolin 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/carolin/carolin1.html

Gerard (?) Duc d'Aquitaine1

M, #60153
Last Edited14 Nov 2003
     Gerard (?) Duc d'Aquitaine married Berthe (?), daughter of Pepin I (?) King of Aquitaine and Ringart (?), in 839.1

Family

Berthe (?)

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Carolin 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/carolin/carolin1.html

Rather (?) Count of Limoges1

M, #60154
Last Edited17 Sep 2020
     Rather (?) Count of Limoges married unknown (?), daughter of Pepin I (?) King of Aquitaine and Ringart (?).1 Rather (?) Count of Limoges married Rotrud/Hildegard (?) of the Franks, daughter of Pepin I (?) King of Aquitaine and Ringart (?); her 2nd husband.1
     ; Per Genealogy.EU (Carolin 1): “B3 Rotrude, *800, +ca 841; 1m: Cte Gerard I d'Auvergne (+25.6.841); 2m: Rather de Limoges”.2

Family 1

unknown (?) b. c 831

Family 2

Rotrud/Hildegard (?) of the Franks b. bt 800 - 804, d. Oct 841

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Carolin 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/carolin/carolin1.html
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Carolin 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/carolin/carolin1.html#RL1

Oda/Uota (?) of Saxony1,2

F, #60155, b. 877, d. after 2 July 952
FatherOtto I "der Erlauchte/The Illustrious" (?) Duke of Saxony, Ct of Thuringia1,2,3 b. c 836, d. 30 Nov 912
MotherHedwige/Hadwiga "Edith" von Babenberg Duchess of Saxony1,2 b. bt 850 - 855, d. 24 Dec 903
ReferenceGAV29
Last Edited8 Apr 2020
     Oda/Uota (?) of Saxony was born in 877.4 She married Zwentibold (?) King of Lorraine, son of Arnulf (?) von Karnten, Duke of Carinthia, Emperor of Germany, on 27 March 897.2,1,5,6 Oda/Uota (?) of Saxony married Gerhard/Matfride I (?) Count im Metzgau, son of Adalhard IV (?) Graf von Metz and Unknown (?), in 900;
Her 2nd husband.1,7,8,6
Oda/Uota (?) of Saxony died after 2 July 952.1
     ; Per Med Lands:
     "ODA ([884]-[2 Jul] after 952). Jackman speculates that Oda must have been born in [884], although this appears to be designed to fit with his theory about Oda's supposed third marriage[184]. Regino records the marriage in 897 of "Ottonem comitem…filiam Odam" and King Zwentibold[185]. Regino records that "Gerhard comes" married "Odam uxorem Zuendiboldi regis" after killing her first husband in battle in 900[186]. "Otto…rex" confirmed the donation of property " in loco Dauindre…in pago…Hamalant in comitatu Vuigmanni" to St Moritz at Magdeburg by "nostra amita…Uota" by charter dated 30 Dec 952[187]. Jackman speculates[188] that Graf Eberhard married Oda as her third husband, Oda von Sachsen, for onomastic reasons as the name of Eberhard's supposed daughter (her affiliation also being based only on his own separate onomastic hypothesis) was that of Oda's maternal grandmother. This is an interesting theory but it accumulates one onomastic hypothesis on another and must be considered highly speculative.
     "m firstly ([Worms] [27 Mar/13 Jun] 897) ZWENTIBOLD King of Lotharingia [Carolingian], illegitimate son of Emperor ARNULF King of Germany & his mistress --- ([870/71]-killed in battle 13 Aug 900, bur [Süsteren or Echternach]).
     "m secondly (900) Graf GERHARD [Matfride], son of --- (-killed in battle 22 Jun 910). [m thirdly (after Jun 910) EBERHARD Graf im Oberlahngau Pfalzgraf, son of KONRAD Graf in der Wetterau und im Wormsgau [Konradiner] & his wife Glismod --- (-killed in battle near Andernach 23 Oct 939).]"
Med Lands cites:
[184] Jackman, D. C. (1997) Criticism and Critique, sidelights on the Konradiner (Oxford Unit for Prosopographical Research), p. 88.
[185] Reginonis Chronicon 897, MGH SS I, p. 607.
[186] Reginonis Chronicon 900, MGH SS I, p. 609.
[187] D O I 159, p. 240
[188] Jackman (1997), p. 88.6
GAV-29.

; Per Wikipedia:
     "Oda of Saxony (877 – aft. 952) was a Saxon princess. She was the daughter of Otto I, Duke of Saxony (830/840 – 912) and Hedwiga of Babenberg. She married King Zwentibold of Lotharingia[1] and at his death in August 900 (when Oda was younger than 15), she contracted a second marriage with Count Gerhard I of Metz.[2] From this union were born:
** Wigfried, abbot of St. Ursula in Cologne, and then archbishop of Cologne from 924 to 953.
** Oda (Uda) of Metz (d. aft. 18 May 963), married Gozlin, Count of Bidgau and Methingau (d. 942).[2]
** A daughter of name unknown.
** Godfrey, count of the Jülichgau.

References
1. Brown & Wailes 2013, p. 52.
2. Nash 2017, p. xxvi.
Sources
** Brown, Phyllis R; Wailes, Stephen L., eds. (2013). Companion to Hrotsvit of Gandersheim (fl. 960): Contextual and Interpretive Approaches. Brill.
** Nash, Penelope (2017). Empress Adelheid and Countess Matilda: Medieval Female Rulership and the Foundations of European Society. Palgrave Macmillan."

[See Note Per Med Lands]4

Reference: Genealgocis cites:
1. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 1.2 204.
2. Caroli Magni Progenies Neustadt an der Aisch, 1977. , Siegfried Rosch, Reference: 136.8


; NB: Per Med Lands (Fanconia), with regard to "EBERHARD Graf im Oberlahngau Pfalzgraf, son of KONRAD Graf in der Wetterau und im Wormsgau [Konradiner] & his wife Glismod":
     "Jackman speculates[216] that Eberhard married (after Jun 910), as her third husband, Oda von Sachsen, widow firstly of Zwentibold King of Lotharingia [Carolingian] and secondly of Graf Gerhard [Matfriede], daughter of Otto “des Erlauchten” Duke [of Saxony] & his wife Hedwig (-2 Jul after 952), for onomastic reasons as the name of Eberhard's supposed daughter (her affiliation also being based only on his own separate onomastic hypothesis) was that of Oda's maternal grandmother. This is an interesting theory but it accumulates one onomastic hypothesis on another and must be considered highly speculative.]"
Med Lands cites: [216] Jackman, D. C. (1997) Criticism and Critique, sidelights on the Konradiner (Oxford Unit for Prosopographical Research), p. 88.

; Per Genealogy.EU: "Oda; 1m: 897 Zwentibold of Lorraine (+900); 2m: 902 Gérard of Metz"

[See Note Per Med Lands].1

Family 1

Zwentibold (?) King of Lorraine b. 870, d. 13 Aug 900

Family 2

Gerhard/Matfride I (?) Count im Metzgau d. 910
Children

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Liudolfer page (Liudolfing): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/german/liudolfer.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Oda/Uota of Saxony: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331017&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Otto 'des Erlauchte': http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020481&tree=LEO
  4. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oda_of_Saxony. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  5. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Carolin 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/carolin/carolin1.html
  6. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SAXONY.htm#OdaM1ZwentiboldKingLotharingiaM2Gerhard. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gerhard: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00124986&tree=LEO
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Oda|Uota von Sachsen: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331017&tree=LEO
  9. [S1709] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SHOW&db=jweber, Jim Weber (unknown location), downloaded updated 16 July 2005 accessed 7 Aug 2005, http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=jweber&id=I03997&style=TEXT

Richardis (?)1

F, #60156
FatherCte Erchanger (?)2
Last Edited14 Nov 2003
     Richardis (?) married Karl/Charles III "the Fat" (?) King of East Franks, Holy Roman Emperor, son of Ludwig/Louis II 'the German' (?) Holy Roman Emperor and Emma/Hemma (?) of Andech, in 862.1
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: Caroli Magni Progenies Neustadt an der Aisch, 1977. , Siegfried Rosch, Reference: 96.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Karl III 'the Fat': http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020413&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Carolin 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/carolin/carolin1.html

Cte Erchanger (?)1

M, #60157
Last Edited14 Nov 2003

Family

Child

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Carolin 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/carolin/carolin1.html

Karloman (?)1

M, #60158, d. 876
FatherKarl/Charles III "the Fat" (?) King of East Franks, Holy Roman Emperor1 b. 839, d. 13 Jan 888
MotherRichardis (?)1
Last Edited14 Nov 2003
     Karloman (?) died in 876.1

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Carolin 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/carolin/carolin1.html

Bernard (?)1,2

M, #60159, b. between 881 and 882, d. 891
FatherKarl/Charles III "the Fat" (?) King of East Franks, Holy Roman Emperor1,2 b. 839, d. 13 Jan 888
Last Edited14 Nov 2003
     Bernard (?) was born between 881 and 882.1
Bernard (?) died in 891.1,3
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: Caroli Magni Progenies Neustadt an der Aisch, 1977. , Siegfried Rosch, Reference: 96.3

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Carolin 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/carolin/carolin1.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Karl III 'the Fat': http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020413&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Bernhard: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020416&tree=LEO

Gisela (?)1

F, #60160
FatherLudwig/Louis II 'the German' (?) Holy Roman Emperor1,2,3 b. c 806, d. 28 Aug 876
MotherEmma/Hemma (?) of Andech1,4,3 b. c 810, d. 31 Jan 876
ReferenceGAV30
Last Edited7 Sep 2020
     Gisela (?) married Erchanger I (?) Graf von Schwaben.5
     GAV-30.

; Gisela; m.Erchanger I of Swabia.6

; Genealogics cites: Caroli Magni Progenies Neustadt an der Aisch, 1977. , Siegfried Rosch, Reference: 80.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gisla: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020404&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ludwig II 'the German': https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020400&tree=LEO
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/GERMANY,%20Kings.htm#LudwigIIleGermaniqueB. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Emma/Hemma: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020401&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Erchanger I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00575447&tree=LEO
  6. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Carolin 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/carolin/carolin1.html
  7. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 04 November 2019), memorial page for Erchanger of Swabia (unknown–unknown), Find A Grave Memorial no. 147146201, ; Maintained by Memerizion (contributor 48072664) Unknown, at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/147146201/erchanger-of_swabia. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.
  8. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANCONIA.htm#Kunigundedied914
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Kunigunde von Schwaben: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00079802&tree=LEO

Robert (?) Count of Troyes1

M, #60161, d. February 866
FatherEudes/Odo I (?) Comte de Châteaudun, de Troyes et de Blois2,3 b. 829, d. 1 Aug 871
MotherWandilmonde (?) of Worms2,3 b. b May 846
Last Edited27 Jul 2020
     Robert (?) Count of Troyes married Gisla/Gisele (?) of Westfranken, daughter of Louis II 'le Bègue/The Stammerer' (?) King of Neustria and the West Franks and Ansgarde (?) de Bourgogne.2
Robert (?) Count of Troyes died in February 866.1
Robert (?) Count of Troyes died in October 886.2
     ; Per Wikipedia:
     "Robert I (died October 886), called Porte-carquois, was the Count of Troyes. He was a son of Odo I, Count of Troyes, and Wandilmodis.
     "Lay abbot of Saint-Loup, he was mentioned for the first time on 25 October 874, when he appeared in a charter of Charles the Bald ceding Chaource, in Tonnerre, to the abbey. He succeeded his brother Odo II between 876 and 880. He was killed in action against the Vikings to the east of Paris and was succeeded by his nephew Adalelm.
     "He was married to Gisela (died between 879 and 884), daughter of Louis the Stammerer and Ansgard. He left no children.
Sources
-- de Saint Phalle, Édouard. "Comtes de Troyes et de Poitiers au IXe siècle: histoire d’un double échec." In Christian Settipani and Katharine S. B. Keats-Rohan, Onomastique et Parenté dans l'Occident médiéval. 2000.
-- Van Kerrebrouck, Patrick. Nouvelle histoire généalogique de l'auguste maison de France, vol. 1: La Préhistoire des Capétiens. 1993.2

Reference: Leo van de Pas cites: Caroli Magni Progenies Neustadt an der Aisch, 1977. , Siegfried Rosch, Reference: 100.1 Robert (?) Count of Troyes was also known as Robert I (?) Count of Troyes.2 He was Count of Troyes between 876 and 886.2

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Robert: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331022&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_I,_Count_of_Troyes. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANKISH%20NOBILITY.htm#Eudesdied871. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

unknown (?)1

F, #60162
FatherHenry I "Beauclerc" (?) King of England b. Sep 1068, d. 1 Dec 1135; Phillips cites: Complete Peerage, in Appendix D of volume 11 (1949), by Geoffrey H. White
1
Last Edited15 Nov 2003
     ; per Phillips: "A daughter, intended to have married William de Warenne"; not known if this is a separate daughter or possibly one of the other illegitimate daughters of Henry I.1

Citations

  1. [S1513] Chris Phillips, "Phillips email "Bastards of Henry I"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 14 November 2003. Hereinafter cited as "Phillips email 14 November 2003."

Sir James Luttrell Knt., of Dunster Castle, Somerset1,2,3

M, #60163, b. between 1426 and 1427, d. between 17 February 1460 and 1461
FatherSir John Luttrell of Dunster Castle1,4,2 b. c 1394, d. 30 Jun 1430
MotherMargaret Tuchet (Audley)1,5,2,6 d. 1 Jun 1438
Last Edited3 Jan 2009
     Sir James Luttrell Knt., of Dunster Castle, Somerset was born between 1426 and 1427.1,2,3 He married Elizabeth de Courtenay, daughter of Sir Philip Courtenay Knt., of Powderham Castle and Elizabeth Hungerford, between 13 January 1440 and 1441 at Chudleigh, England; license dated 1450 per Richardson.1,2,7,8,3
Sir James Luttrell Knt., of Dunster Castle, Somerset died between 17 February 1460 and 1461 at St. Albans, Hertfordshire, England; killed in battle.1,2
     ; van de Pas cites: 1. The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald, Reference: P 58969
2. Burke's Landed Gentry , Reference: 1437.2

Family

Elizabeth de Courtenay b. c 1426, d. 1 Sep 1493

Citations

  1. [S1519] Brandon Fradd and Douglas Richardson, "The Royal Ancestry of Percival Lowell", The New Engalnd Historical and Genealogical Register Vol. 157, pp. 309-319 (October 2003): Fradd and Richardson cite:
    1. H. C. Maxwell Lyte, "A History of Dunster and of the Families of Mohun and Luttrell", 2 vols. (London: St. Catherine Press, 1909), 1:118-28
    2. J. L. Vivian, ed., "The Visitations of the County Devon, Comprising the Herald's Visitations of 1531, 1564, & 1620" (Exeter, England: the editor, 1895), 537. Hereinafter cited as "Royal Ancestry of Percival Lowell."
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir James Luttrell: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00060833&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), Lowell 13: p. 470. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir John Luttrell: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00220799&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Margaret Touchet: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00220800&tree=LEO
  6. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Richardson PA, Lowell 12: p. 470.
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Elizabeth Courtenay: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00060834&tree=LEO
  8. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Richardson PA, Davie 12: p. 258.

Isabel (?) of Atholl1

F, #60164
FatherJohn de Strathbogie 9th Earl of Atholl1,2,3 d. 7 Nov 1306
MotherMarjory (Mary) (?) of Mar1
Last Edited24 May 2008
     ; per Richardson: "wife or mistress of Edward de Brus, Knt., Earl of Carrick."3

Citations

  1. [S1520] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 12 Nov 2003: "Edward Bruce, Earl of Carrick and Isabella of Ross (1317)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 12 Nov 2003, Edward Bruce had earlier seduced Isabel of Athol, daughter of John de Strathbogie, Earl of Athol (ex. 1306).. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 12 Nov 2003."
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, John of Strathbogie: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00437418&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), p. 50. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.

Enguerrand III de Coucy Seigneur de Coucy et de Marle, Cte de Roucy et de Perche1,2

M, #60165, d. 1243
FatherRaoul I de Coucy Seigneur de Coucy, Marle and le Fère1,2,3,4 b. 1134, d. Nov 1191
MotherAdelaide/Alice/Alix de Dreux1,2,5,4 b. 1156, d. a Feb 1217
ReferenceGAV22 EDV22
Last Edited3 Jun 2020
     Enguerrand III de Coucy Seigneur de Coucy et de Marle, Cte de Roucy et de Perche married Beatrix de Vignory, daughter of Barthelmy de Vignory Sire de Vignory and Elwide (?) de Brienne, in 1201; his 1st wife.2 Enguerrand III de Coucy Seigneur de Coucy et de Marle, Cte de Roucy et de Perche married Richenza/Matilde (?) von Sachsen, Countess of Perche, daughter of Heinrich XII 'der Löwe' (?) Duke of Bavaria & Saxony and Matilda (Maud) (?) of England, Duchess of Saxony, in 1204; his 2nd wife; her 2nd husband.6,2,1,7 Enguerrand III de Coucy Seigneur de Coucy et de Marle, Cte de Roucy et de Perche married Marie de Montmirail, daughter of Jean I de Montmirail Chatelain de Cambrai and Helvide de Dampierre Dame de Somsois.8,1,2
Enguerrand III de Coucy Seigneur de Coucy et de Marle, Cte de Roucy et de Perche died in 1243.1
     ; Enguerrand III de Coucy, Cte de Roucy et de Perche, +1243; 1m: 1201 Beatrix de Vignory (widow of Cte Jean I de Roucy); 2m: 1204 Matilda of Saxony (*1179 +1209); 3m: Marie de Montmirail, heiress of Montmirail, Meaux, de Cambrai, etc (+ca 1267) dau.of Jean de Montmirail by Helvide de Dampierre; all children were by 3m.2 GAV-22 EDV-22.

; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 80,81.1 Enguerrand III de Coucy Seigneur de Coucy et de Marle, Cte de Roucy et de Perche was also known as Ingelram Lord of Coucy.9

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Enguerrand III de Coucy: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164622&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Coucy 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/coucy1.html
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Raoul de Coucy: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028229&tree=LEO
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfralaoncou.htm#RaoulICoucydied1191. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Alix de Dreux: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028230&tree=LEO
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Richenza/Matilde of Saxony: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00023795&tree=LEO
  7. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Welf 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/welf/welf2.html
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Marie de Montmirail: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164623&tree=LEO
  9. [S1426] Jiri Louda (Tables) and Michael Maclagan (text), Lines of Succession: Heraldry of the Royal Families of Europe (NY: Barnes & Noble Books, 2002), Table 12: Scotland: Kings until the accession of Robert Bruce. Hereinafter cited as Louda & Maclagan [2002] Lines of Succession.
  10. [S1522] Douglas Richardson, "Richardson 23 Aug email "Re: Margaret, wife of Richard de Burgh, Earl of Ulster"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 23 Aug 2003. Hereinafter cited as "Richardson email 23 Aug 2003."
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Alix de Coucy: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00108748&tree=LEO
  12. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfralaoncou.htm#AlixCoucyMArnoulIIIGuines
  13. [S1361] Mike Ashley, The Mammoth Book of British Kings & Queens (New York: Carroll & Graf Publishers, Inc., 1998), pp. 397, 407-408. Hereinafter cited as Ashley (1998) - British Kings.
  14. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Brienne 1 page (de Brienne Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brienne/brienne1.html
  15. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), p.11. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.
  16. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Flandres.pdf, p. 16. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  17. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfralaoncou.htm#EnguerrandIVCoucydied1310

Gillette/Gille de Trainel1,2,3

F, #60166, d. after 1224
FatherGarnier II de Trainel Sire de Trainel4 d. bt 31 Dec 1194 - 1195
ReferenceGAV23 EDV24
Last Edited27 Jul 2020
     Gillette/Gille de Trainel married Hugues 1er de Vergy seigneur de Vergy, Autrey et Châtel-Censoir, son of Gui de Vergy seigneur de Vergy, Autrey et Beaumont and Alix d'Autrey de Beaumont-sur-Vingeanne et d'Autrey, in 1175.1,2,5,3,6
Gillette/Gille de Trainel died after 1224.1,3
     GAV-23 EDV-24.

; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III 436.2 She was living in 1179.2

Citations

  1. [S1523] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 23 Aug 2003: "Re: Margaret, wife of Richard de Burgh, Earl of Ulster"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 23 Aug 2003, Hugh de Vergy.
    Hugh died in 1205.
    Occupation: seigneur de Vergy.

    Hugh married Gille de Trainel.

    Gille de Trainel. Gille died aft 1224.. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 23 Aug 2003."
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gille de Trainel: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00118626&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Donzy.pdf, p. 6. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Garnier II de Trainel: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00118627&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugues de Vergy: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00118625&tree=LEO
  6. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Donzy.pdf, p. 7.
  7. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgdbchalo.htm#dauHuguesVergyMAnsericMontreal. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guillaume I de Vergy: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00118621&tree=LEO
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Alix de Vergy: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020176&tree=LEO
  10. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgdbchalo.htm#AlixVergydied1251

Frederuna (?) Queen of the West Franks1,2,3,4

F, #60167, b. between 885 and 887, d. 10 February 917
FatherCount Theodoricus (?)5,4,6,7
MotherGisela (?) of Lotharingia2,4
ReferenceGAV32
Last Edited9 Jul 2020
     Frederuna (?) Queen of the West Franks was born between 885 and 887; Find A Grave says b. 885; Wikipedia says b. 887.2,4 She married Charles III "The Simple" (?) King of West Franks, Holy Roman Emperor, son of Louis II 'le Bègue/The Stammerer' (?) King of Neustria and the West Franks and Adélaïde/Adelais (?) of Paris, circa 18 April 907;
His 1st wife.8,9,7,10
Frederuna (?) Queen of the West Franks died on 10 February 917 at Lorraine, France (now).1,2,4,7
Frederuna (?) Queen of the West Franks was buried after 10 February 917 at Saint Remi Badsilica, Reims, Departement de la Marne, Champagne-Ardenne, France (now),

; From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     c.885
     DEATH     10 Feb 917 (aged 31–32)
     French Monarch. Born Frederuna von Sachsen in Goslar, Hanover, the daughter of Count Deitrich Theodoric von Ringelheim Duke of Saxony and Gisela of Lotharingia, and the sister of Beuve II, the Bishop of Chalons-sur-marne. She made a political marriage to Charles III of France in 907, and with him had at least four daughters. Apparently, the lack of an male heir motivated Charles to repudiate her. A reportedly pious woman, she did not remarry, and she had no more impact. She died about age 32 in Lorraine. Bio by: Iola
     Family Members
     Spouse
      Charles III Carolingian 879–929
     BURIAL     Saint Remi Basilica, Reims, Departement de la Marne, Champagne-Ardenne, France
     Maintained by: Find A Grave
     Originally Created by: Mike Reed
     Added: 6 Mar 2002
     Find A Grave Memorial 6240884.2
     ; Per Genealogy.EU (Carolin 1): “D5. [2m.] Charles III "the Simplex", King of West Franks (893-923), Emperor (898-929), *17.9.879, +Peronne 7.10.929; 1m: 907 Frederuna (+916/917); 2m: 918/919 Eadgifu of England (*896/902/904, +951/955)”.1

; Per Med Lands:
     "CHARLES, son of LOUIS II "le Bègue" King of the West Franks & his second wife Adelais (posthumously 17 Sep 879-Péronne 7 Oct 929, bur Péronne, monastère de Saint-Fursy). The Genealogica Arnulfi Comitis names (in order) "Karolum quoque postumum et Irmintrudim" as children of "Hlodovicus rex…ex Adelheidi regina"[328]. His parentage is also given in the Annalista Saxo[329]. Regino specifies that he was born posthumously[330]. On the death of King Louis II, Emperor Charles III "le Gros" was elected King of the West Franks, and on the latter's death in 888, Eudes [Capet] was elected king. Louis II's son, Charles, sought refuge with Ramnulf II Comte de Poitou[331]. Regino names "Folcone episcopo, Heriberto et Pippino comitibus in Remorum civitate" when recording that they supported the accession of Charles as king in 892 in opposition to King Eudes[332]. Supported by Foucher Archbishop of Reims, he was crowned 28 Jan 893 at Reims as CHARLES III "le Simple" King of the West Franks, as anti-king to Eudes, who later agreed to appoint him as his successor and whom he succeeded from 1 Jan 898. The early years of his reign appear to have been dominated by Viking raids in the north which led to the treaty with Rollo in 911 and the grant of territory in the future duchy of Normandy. He was chosen as CHARLES King of Lotharingia 1 Nov 911, in succession to Ludwig IV "das Kind" King of the East Franks and Lotharingia, representing a significant extension of the royal domain. He used the title "King of the Franks/rex francorum", and later "King of France/rex franciæ". He captured Alsace early in 912, and fought the army of Konrad I King of Germany three times in Lotharingia[333]. From [920], he fell under the influence of Haganon, a Lotharingian described in a charter of 921 as his cousin on his mother's side[334]. This triggered the revolt of Robert Marquis en Neustrie [Capet] and other nobles during which King Charles was obliged to seek refuge with Hérivé Archbishop of Reims. Although the king was restored after seven months, tension continued and Charles's award of the monastery of Chelles to Haganon in 922 triggered another revolt which led to the king's deposition 30 Jun 922 in favour of Robert, who was elected as Robert I King of France. Ex-king Charles fled to Lotharingia. All these events are recorded by Flodoard[335]. He returned, but was defeated at Soissons 15 Jun 923, although King Robert was killed in the battle: Flodoard records in 923 that "Karolus cum suis Lothariensibus" crossed “Mosam...ad Atiniacum...et...super Axonam” where he lost the battle near Soissons in which “Rotbertus...rex” was killed[336]. Raoul de Bourgogne was elected king of France 13 Jul 923. Ex-king Charles was tricked into capture by Héribert II Comte de Vermandois and imprisoned at Château-Thierry: Flodoard records in 923 that "Heribertus comes" sent “Bernardum consobrinum suum” with a delegation “ad Karolum” who was “in castello suo super Somnam apud Sanctum Quintinum”, and who was detained “in...munitionem suam...Castellum Theoderici super Maternam fluvium”[337]. He was transferred in 924 to the château de Péronne, where he remained captive for the rest of his life[338]. He was briefly declared king once more in 927 by Comte Héribert during the latter's unsuccessful attempt to capture Laon[339]. According to Thietmar of Merseburg, Heinrich I King of Germany secured his release from prison and in return was rewarded with "the right hand of St Denis and the entire kingdom of the Lotharingians"[340].
     "m firstly ([1/18] Apr 907) FREDERUNA, sister of BOVO [II] Bishop of Châlons, daughter of --- (-10 Feb 917, bur Reims, église abbatiale de Saint-Rémi). The charter of "Karolus…rex" dated "907 XIII Kal Mai" refers to "quondam nobili prosapia puellam…Frederunam" who had recently become his wife[341]. The charter of "Karolus…rex" dated "917 VII Kal Aug" refers to "nostra uxor Frideruna…frater eius Bovo Catalannensis Antistes Ecclesiæ"[342]. Nothing definite is known about the origins of Bovo, although Flodoard refers to "Berengario Transrhenensi clerico" as "nepoti Bovonis Catalaunensis quondam episcopi" when recording his appointment as Bishop of Cambrai in 956[343]. McKitterick assumes that Frederuna was of Lotharingian origin[344]. Settipani speculates that Queen Frederuna was probably a close relation of Mathilde, second wife of Heinrich I King of Germany[345]. This could be explained if Mathilde's mother, Reginlind, was Queen Frederuna's sister, as hypothesised in the document REIMS. The charter of "Karolus…rex" dated "918 IV Id Feb" refers to the death of "nostræ…coniugis Friderunæ"[346], and the charter dated "918 II Id Mar" that she had died "IV Id Feb"[347]. The necrology of Reims Saint-Rémi records the death "IV Id Feb" of "Frederuna regina"[348].
     "m secondly ([917/19]) as her first husband, EADGIFU, daughter of EDWARD I "the Elder" King of England & his second wife Ælfleda ([902/05]-after 951, bur église Saint-Médard de Soissons). The Genealogica Arnulfi Comitis names "Otgiva" wife of "Karolus rex" after the death of "Frederuna regina"[349]. She fled with her two-year-old son to England in 923 after her husband was deposed, returning to France in 936 after the death of King Raoul. Abbess of Notre-Dame de Laon, this was taken from her 951 by her son on her second marriage. She married secondly (951) Héribert [III] Comte "le Vieux" [de Vermandois] (-980/84). Flodoard records in 951 that “Ottogeba regina mater Ludowici regis” married “Heriberti...Adalberti fratris” and that “rex Ludowicus iratus” confiscated “abbatiam sanctæ Mariæ...Lauduni” from her and donated it to “Gerbergæ uxori suæ”[350].
     "Mistresses: ---. The names of King Charles III's mistresses are not known. "
Med Lands cites:
[328] Genealogiæ Comitum Flandriæ, Witgeri Genealogica Arnulfi Comitis MGH SS IX, p. 303.
[329] Annalista Saxo 887.
[330] Reginonis Chronicon 878, MGH SS I, p. 589.
[331] Richard, Alfred (1903) Histoire des Comtes de Poitou (republished Princi Negue, 2003), Tome I, p. 57.
[332] Reginonis Chronicon 892, MGH SS I, p. 605.
[333] Settipani (1993), pp. 322-3.
[334] McKitterick (1983), p. 308.
[335] Flodoard 922, MGH SS III, p. 370.
[336] Flodoard 923, MGH SS III, p. 371.
[337] Flodoard 923, MGH SS III, p. 372.
[338] France, J., Bulst, N. and Reynolds, P. (eds. and trans.) (1989) Rodulfi Glabri Historiarum Libri Quinque, Rodulfus Glaber Opera (Oxford) I.5, p 13.
[339] McKitterick (1983), p. 312.
[340] Warner, D. A. (trans.) The Chronicon of Thietmar of Merseburg (2001) (Manchester University Press), 1. 23, p. 84.
[341] RHGF IX, XXXVII, p. 504.
[342] RHGF IX, LXVIII, p. 534.
[343] Flodoard Annales 956, MGH SS III, p. 403.
[344] McKitterick (1983), p. 308.
[345] Settipani (1993), p. 325 footnote 324.
[346] RHGF IX, LXV, p. 531.
[347] RHGF IX, LXIX, p. 536.
[348] 'Obits mémorables tirés de nécrologes luxembourgeois, rémois et messins', Revue Mabillon VI (1910-1911), p. 273.
[349] Genealogiæ Comitum Flandriæ, Witgeri Genealogica Arnulfi Comitis MGH SS IX, p. 303.
[350] Flodoard 951, MGH SS III, p. 401.9


; Per Genealogy.EU (Carolin 1): “D5. [2m.] Charles III "the Simplex", King of West Franks (893-923), Emperor (898-929), *17.9.879, +Peronne 7.10.929; 1m: 907 Frederuna (+916/917); 2m: 918/919 Eadgifu of England (*896/902/904, +951/955)”.11

Reference: Genealogics cites: Caroli Magni Progenies, Neustadt an der Aisch, 1977 , Rösch, Siegfried. 120.7 GAV-32.

; Per Med Lands:
     "FREDERUNA (-10 Feb 917, bur Reims, église abbatiale de Saint-Rémi). The charter of "Karolus…rex" dated "907 XIII Kal Mai" refers to "quondam nobili prosapia puellam…Frederunam" who had recently become his wife[676]. The charter of "Karolus…rex" dated "917 VII Kal Aug" refers to "nostra uxor Frideruna…frater eius Bovo Catalannensis Antistes Ecclesiæ"[677]. Nothing definite is known about the origins of Bovo, although Flodoard refers to "Berengario Transrhenensi clerico" as "nepoti Bovonis Catalaunensis quondam episcopi" when recording his appointment as Bishop of Cambrai in 956[678]. McKitterick assumes that Frederuna was of Lotharingian origin[679]. Settipani speculates that Queen Frederuna was probably a close relation of Mathilde, second wife of Heinrich I King of Germany[680]. This could be explained if Mathilde's mother, Reginlind, was Frederuna's sister, as hypothesised above. The charter of "Karolus…rex" dated "918 IV Id Feb" refers to the death of "nostræ…coniugis Friderunæ"[681], and the charter dated "918 II Id Mar" that she had died "IV Id Feb"[682].
     "m ([1/18] Apr 907) as his first wife, CHARLES III "le Simple" King of the West Franks, son of LOUIS II "le Bègue" King of the West Franks & his second wife Adelais (posthumously 17 Sep 879-Péronne 7 Oct 929, bur Péronne, monastère de Saint-Fursy)."
Med Lands cites:
[676] RHGF IX, XXXVII, p. 504.
[677] RHGF IX, LXVIII, p. 534.
[678] Flodoard Annales 956, MGH SS III, p. 403.
[679] McKitterick, R. (1983) Frankish Kingdoms under the Carolingians 751-987 (Longman, London and New York), p. 308.
[680] Settipani (1993), p. 325 footnote 324.
[681] RHGF IX, LXV, p. 531.
[682] RHGF IX, LXIX, p. 536.10


; NB: Genealogics names "Count Theodoricus" as the father of Frederuna, but gives no other children or wife. On the other hand, Med Lands states:
     "[Four] siblings. They may have been of Danish origin and based in Frisia, if the speculation about the origin of Reginlind, wife of Theoderich, is correct, as she is referred to as "Danorum Fresonumque germine procreatam" (see below).
1. BOVO [II] (-947). Bishop of Châlons [917].
2. [REGINLIND (-11 May ----). m ([900]) THEODERICH, son of --- & his wife Mathilde --- (-8 Feb 917).]
3. FREDERUNA (-10 Feb 917, bur Reims, église abbatiale de Saint-Rémi). m ([1/18] Apr 907) as his first wife, CHARLES III "le Simple" King of the West Franks,
4. --- . m ---. One child:
a) BERENGAR (-957, bur Saint-Gereon).
"
     Wikipédia (Fr.) identifies Frédérune as a sister of the Bishop Beuve II (Bovo, Bovon).6,10,3

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Carolin 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/carolin/carolin1.html
  2. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 06 October 2019), memorial page for Frederonne (c.885–10 Feb 917), Find A Grave Memorial no. 6240884, citing Saint Remi Basilica, Reims, Departement de la Marne, Champagne-Ardenne, France ; Maintained by Find A Grave, at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/6240884/frederonne. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.
  3. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Frédérune: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fr%C3%A9d%C3%A9rune. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  4. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederuna. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Frederuna: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020077&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Count Theodoricus: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020078&tree=LEO
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Frederuna: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020077&tree=LEO
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Charles III 'the Simple': https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020061&tree=LEO
  9. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CAROLINGIANS.htm#CharlesIIIleSimpleFrancesB. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  10. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/Reims.htm#Frederunadied917
  11. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Carolin 1: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/carolin/carolin1.html#HE
  12. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Giselle de France: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020057&tree=LEO
  13. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CAROLINGIANS.htm#Adelaisborn908916
  14. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CAROLINGIANS.htm#ErmentrudeMGottfriedJulichgau

Rotrude (?)1

F, #60168
FatherCharles III "The Simple" (?) King of West Franks, Holy Roman Emperor1,2 b. 17 Sep 879, d. 7 Oct 929
MotherFrederuna (?) Queen of the West Franks1,2 b. bt 885 - 887, d. 10 Feb 917
Last Edited9 Jul 2020

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Carolin 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/carolin/carolin1.html
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CAROLINGIANS.htm#CharlesIIIleSimpleFrancesB. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Hildegarde (?)1

F, #60169
FatherCharles III "The Simple" (?) King of West Franks, Holy Roman Emperor1,2 b. 17 Sep 879, d. 7 Oct 929
MotherFrederuna (?) Queen of the West Franks1,2 b. bt 885 - 887, d. 10 Feb 917
Last Edited9 Jul 2020

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Carolin 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/carolin/carolin1.html
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CAROLINGIANS.htm#CharlesIIIleSimpleFrancesB. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Rociro (?) of Laon, Bishop1

M, #60170
FatherCharles III "The Simple" (?) King of West Franks, Holy Roman Emperor1,2 b. 17 Sep 879, d. 7 Oct 929
MotherEadgifu/Edgiva/Ogive (?) of Wessex1 b. 896, d. a 951
Last Edited9 Jul 2020

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Carolin 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/carolin/carolin1.html
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CAROLINGIANS.htm#CharlesIIIleSimpleFrancesB. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Charles/Karloman (?) de France1,2

M, #60171, b. January 945, d. before 953
FatherLouis IV "d'Outre-Mer" (?) King of West Franks, Holy Roman Emperor1,2,3,4 b. 10 Sep 920, d. 10 Sep 954
MotherGerberga (?) von Sachsen1,2,5,6,4 b. bt 913 - 914, d. 5 May 984
Last Edited19 Aug 2020
     Charles/Karloman (?) de France was born in January 945.1,2
Charles/Karloman (?) de France died before 953.1,2
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: I.1 6.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Charles de France: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331121&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Carolin 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/carolin/carolin1.html
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Louis IV 'd'Outremer': https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020063&tree=LEO
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CAROLINGIANS.htm#LouisIVFranceB. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gerberga von Sachsen: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020067&tree=LEO
  6. [S1702] The Henry Project: The ancestors of king Henry II of England, An experiment in cooperative medieval genealogy on the internet (now hosted by the American Society of Genealogists, ASG), online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/gerbe000.htm. Hereinafter cited as The Henry Project.

Louis (?) de France1,2

M, #60172, b. December 948, d. before 10 September 954
FatherLouis IV "d'Outre-Mer" (?) King of West Franks, Holy Roman Emperor1,2,3,4 b. 10 Sep 920, d. 10 Sep 954
MotherGerberga (?) von Sachsen1,2,5,6,4 b. bt 913 - 914, d. 5 May 984
Last Edited19 Aug 2020
     Louis (?) de France was born in December 948.1,2
Louis (?) de France died before 10 September 954.1,2
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: I.1 6.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Louis de France: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331123&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Carolin 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/carolin/carolin1.html
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Louis IV 'd'Outremer': https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020063&tree=LEO
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CAROLINGIANS.htm#LouisIVFranceB. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gerberga von Sachsen: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020067&tree=LEO
  6. [S1702] The Henry Project: The ancestors of king Henry II of England, An experiment in cooperative medieval genealogy on the internet (now hosted by the American Society of Genealogists, ASG), online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/gerbe000.htm. Hereinafter cited as The Henry Project.

Henri (?) de France1

M, #60173, b. 953, d. 953
FatherLouis IV "d'Outre-Mer" (?) King of West Franks, Holy Roman Emperor1,2,3 b. 10 Sep 920, d. 10 Sep 954
MotherGerberga (?) von Sachsen1,4,5,3 b. bt 913 - 914, d. 5 May 984
Last Edited19 Aug 2020
     Henri (?) de France died in 953; died shortly aft baptism.1 He was born in 953.1
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: I.1 6.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Henri de France: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331119&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Louis IV 'd'Outremer': https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020063&tree=LEO
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CAROLINGIANS.htm#LouisIVFranceB. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gerberga von Sachsen: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020067&tree=LEO
  5. [S1702] The Henry Project: The ancestors of king Henry II of England, An experiment in cooperative medieval genealogy on the internet (now hosted by the American Society of Genealogists, ASG), online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/gerbe000.htm. Hereinafter cited as The Henry Project.

NN (?) de France1

F, #60174, b. 948
FatherLouis IV "d'Outre-Mer" (?) King of West Franks, Holy Roman Emperor2,3 b. 10 Sep 920, d. 10 Sep 954
MotherGerberga (?) von Sachsen1,4,5,3 b. bt 913 - 914, d. 5 May 984
Last Edited19 Aug 2020
     NN (?) de France was born in 948.1
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: I.1 6.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Louis IV 'd'Outremer': http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020063&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Louis IV 'd'Outremer': https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020063&tree=LEO
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CAROLINGIANS.htm#LouisIVFranceB. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gerberga von Sachsen: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020067&tree=LEO
  5. [S1702] The Henry Project: The ancestors of king Henry II of England, An experiment in cooperative medieval genealogy on the internet (now hosted by the American Society of Genealogists, ASG), online https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/, https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/gerbe000.htm. Hereinafter cited as The Henry Project.

Adelania (?)1

F, #60175
Last Edited18 Nov 2019
     Adelania (?) married Conrad I "The Peaceful" (?) King of Burgundy, son of Rudolf II (?) King of Upper Burgundy, King of Italy and Berthe (?) of Swabia; Med Lands says that "Aldiud" was Contrad's mistress, not his wife.1,2,3,4
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: II 23.5 Adelania (?) was also known as Aldiud (?)

Family

Conrad I "The Peaceful" (?) King of Burgundy b. c 925, d. 19 Oct 993
Child

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Conrad I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020211&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Welf 1 page (The House of Welfen): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/welf/welf1.html
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Conrad I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020211&tree=LEO
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BURGUNDY%20KINGS.htm#AdelaideMRichardBurgundy. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adelania: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020212&tree=LEO
  6. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Welf 1 page - The House of Welfen: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/welf/welf1.html

Otto/Eudes (?) Duke of Lorraine1,2

M, #60176, b. circa 975, d. 1012
FatherCharles (?) of Laon, duc de Basse-Lorraine2,3,4 b. 953, d. bt 22 Jun 993 - 994
MotherAdela/Adelheid/d’Adélaïs (?) de Troyes1,2
Last Edited28 Jun 2020
     Otto/Eudes (?) Duke of Lorraine was born circa 975; Genealogy.EU (Carolin 1 page) says b. after 985.1,2
Otto/Eudes (?) Duke of Lorraine died in 1012.1,2
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: I.1 6.1 He was Duke of Lower Lorraine in 991.2,1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Otto: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331125&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Carolin 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/carolin/carolin1.html
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Charles: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020064&tree=LEO
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIA.htm#CharlesdukeLowerLothringiadied991. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Louis (?) de Lorraine1,2

M, #60177, b. circa 988, d. after 993
FatherCharles (?) of Laon, duc de Basse-Lorraine1,2,3,4 b. 953, d. bt 22 Jun 993 - 994
MotherAdela/Adelheid/d’Adélaïs (?) de Troyes1,2
Last Edited28 Jun 2020
     Louis (?) de Lorraine was born circa 988; Genealogy.EU (Carolin 1 page) says b. after 989.1,2
Louis (?) de Lorraine died after 993; Genealogy.EU (Carolin 1 page) says d. ca 995.1,2
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: I.1 6.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Louis de Lorraine: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331126&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Carolin 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/carolin/carolin1.html
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Charles: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020064&tree=LEO
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIA.htm#CharlesdukeLowerLothringiadied991. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Charles (?) de Lorraine1,2

M, #60178, b. 989, d. after 991
FatherCharles (?) of Laon, duc de Basse-Lorraine2,3,4 b. 953, d. bt 22 Jun 993 - 994
MotherAdela/Adelheid/d’Adélaïs (?) de Troyes1,2
Last Edited28 Jun 2020
     Charles (?) de Lorraine was born in 989.1,2
Charles (?) de Lorraine died after 991.1
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: I.1 6.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Charles de Lorraine: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331127&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Carolin 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/carolin/carolin1.html
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Charles: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020064&tree=LEO
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIA.htm#CharlesdukeLowerLothringiadied991. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Oda/Ermengarde (?) de Lorraine1,2,3

F, #60179
FatherOtto (?) Duke of Lorraine1,2,4
Last Edited8 Apr 2020
     ; NB: The identify of Robert's wife is uncertain.
     Genealogics says: "_Europäische Stammtafeln_ give her as Ermengarde de Lorraine, daughter of Otto, duke of Lorraine."
Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 7:68
     Med Lands says: "Thierry Stasser suggests that she may have been [Liutgarde], daughter of Adalbert Graf [von Metz], emphasising that this is purely speculative based only on onomastics[21]."
Med Lands cites: Stasser, T. 'L'épouse de Robert I de Namur: Essai d'identification', Keats-Rohan, K. S. B. and Settipani, C. (eds.) (2000) Onomastique et Parenté dans l'Occident medieval (Prosopographica et Genealogica, Vol. 3), p. 115.
I have chosen to follow the Med Lands lineage. GA Vaut.5,6,7

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 68.2

; dau.of Duke Otto of Lorraine.1

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg2.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ermengarde de Lorraine: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120948&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 2 page (The Luxemburg Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg2.html
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Otto: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120951&tree=LEO
  5. [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 8 April 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Robert: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120947&tree=LEO
  7. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NAMUR.htm#RobertIdiedbefore981. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Otto (?) Duke of Lorraine1,2

M, #60180
Last Edited8 Apr 2020
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 68.2

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg2.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Otto: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120951&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ermengarde de Lorraine: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120948&tree=LEO