Juliana de Soulis1

F, #68761
ReferenceGAV26
Last Edited27 Aug 2019
     Juliana de Soulis married Gilbert fitz Richer of Tarbolton, son of Richer de Boyville of Levinton; her 2nd husband per Ravilious 11 June 2007.1,2 Juliana de Soulis married William de Hay; her 1st husband.2
     GAV-26.

; per Ravilious: Juliana de Soulis. concerning her parentage, there is a charter of her son William de Hay who granted to Coupar abbey ' the lands of Ederpolls for the benefit of the souls of King Malcolm, Ranulph de Soulis, his uncle, and others, which grant was confirmed by King William.' [SP III:556[1], cites Reg. of Coupar, ii. 284]

The account in Scots Peerage (Hay, Earl of Erroll) includes the following: ' Sir James Balfour has preserved a note of a grant of the lands of Flemingstoun by Adam, son of Gilbert, to David de Haya, his nephew, which was confirmed by Alexander II. in 1224.' [SP III:557, note (4)[1] of which states, "Harl. MS. 4693, fol. 33. If the statement that the mother of William de Hay was Juliana de Soulis can be trusted, it may be that he and Adam, son of Gilbert, were uterine brothers. See Regist. Glasg., i. 72." ]

she probably m. 1stly William de Hay,
2ndly Gilbert fitz Richer.2

; per Ravilious: "sister of Ranulf."1

Family 1

William de Hay

Citations

  1. [S2155] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 9 June 2007: "Graham of Dalkeith: their Comyn ancestry"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 9 June 2007, Dorothy FitzWilliam: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00466068&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 9 June 2007."
  2. [S2180] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email #3 11 June 2007: "Re: Ancestry of Sir John de Graham of Dalkeith (d. 1337)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/soc.genealogy.medieval/Earl$20of$20Strathearn|sort:date/soc.genealogy.medieval/BE4ZK_aw3OQ/WuF0w4-ABGEJ) to e-mail address, 11 June 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email #3 11 June 2007."

Richer de Boyville of Levinton1

M, #68762
ReferenceGAV27
Last Edited27 Aug 2019
     GAV-27.

; Dear Alex,

Thanks for that. I see the following, provided by G. W. S.
Barrow in his Kingdom of the Scots, concerning the tenure of
Tarbolton:

' The fee of Gilbert son of Richer, t. Walter I. Gilbert was a
witness to Malcolm IV's charter granting the stewardship and the
Renfrewshire lands to Walter I. He was almost certainly a tenant-in-
chief of the king in his own right and witnessed numerous royal
charters in the earlier years of king Wiliam the Lion. For the
family, see Barrow, Anglo-Norman Era in Scottish History (1980).
When Walter gave lands in Mauchline to Melrose Abbey, his charter
referred to a perambulation between the land of Mauchline and the land
of Gilbert, son of Richer, and it is evident that Gilbert's land lay
west of Mauchline. Moreover, Alan the Stewart granted Tarbolton to
Adam son of Gilbert to be held for one knight's service, and although
Adam is not said to be the son of Gilbert, son of Richer, this is made
very probable by the fact that Adam was tenant of Hutton in Dryfesdale
under Adam, son of Adam, son of Richer. ' [1]

While the 'fitz Gilbert' designation does have a Hamiltonian
ring, the family has nothing to do directly with the Hamiltons. A
note in Scots Peerage states, concerning Idonea the daughter of
William Comyn, Earl of Buchan, and wife of Gilbert de Hay,

' She was evidently named after Idonea, her father's sister (omitted
under Badenoch), to whom Earl William, soon after he became Earl, gave
a grant of the lands of Blyth, Ingraston, and the Haugh (Spittalhaugh)
in Linton Parish, Peebles. The elder Idonea married Sir Adam Fitz
Gilbert, and had issue a daughter, Christian. ' [2]

The daughter Christian was evidently heiress or coheiress of her
parents. She was apparently either the wife or sister-in-law of Henry
de Graham, as indicated by Stringer.

Cheers,

John

NOTES

[1] Barrow, The Kingdom of the Scots, pp. 321-2.

[2] SP II:253, sub Comyn, Earl of Buchan, cites
'Registrum Honoris de Morton, ii. 4; Origines
Parochiales, i. 189.2'

; Adam son of Gilbert was the grandson of Richer de Boyville of Levington. Gilbert was the younger son of Richer and brother of Adam of Levinton. I have not seen a pedigree which connects the Hamiltons to a Boyville/Levinton ancestry. I am not sure that this is a possible identification as the Levinton family ran out in 1272 and there do not appear to have been any Hamiltons in the offing then. As to Adam son of Gilbert, he seems to have had no heir in Hutton and there does not appear to have ever been a Hamilton interest in Hutton.*.1

Citations

  1. [S2156] Alex Maxwell Findlater, "Findlater email 9 June 2007: "Re: Graham of Dalkeith: their Comyn ancestry"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 9 June 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Findlater email 9 June 2007."
  2. [S2157] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email #2 9 June 2007: "Re: Graham of Dalkeith: their Comyn ancestry"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 9 June 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email #2 9 June 2007."

Sir Henry de Graham lord of Dalkeith and Simundburn, Northumbs.1,2

M, #68763, d. after 5 September 1199
FatherSir Peter de Graham of Dalkeith1,3
MotherGeva (?)1
ReferenceGAV25
Last Edited5 Sep 2019
     Sir Henry de Graham lord of Dalkeith and Simundburn, Northumbs. died after 5 September 1199.2
     GAV-25.

;
Per Ravilious [2007]:
     "The ancestry of Sir John de Graham of Dalkeith and Abercorn (d. 1337) has been expanded due to the additions noted in the prior thread, . The following is a 6 generation ahnentafel for Sir John, reflecting what is known of his ancestry to his great-great-great grandparents (and obviously showing what is not known as yet).
     "A more detailed AT will follow, possibly in 2 sections due to size. Should anyone have further relevant documentation, comment or criticism, that would be most welcome.
     "Ancestry of Sir John de Graham of Dalkeith
1 Sir John de Graham. lord of Dalkeith and Abercorn, d. 25 Apr 1337
2 Sir Nicholas de Graham of Dalkeith
3 Mary of Strathearn.
4 Sir Henry de Graham of Dalkeith and Hutton.
5 NN Avenel.
6 Malise, Earl of Strathearn.
7 Marjorie de Muschamp (1st wife). died bef 20 Mar 1254.[2],[1]
8 Sir Henry de Graham.
9 Christiana 'filia Ada '.
10 Roger Avenel of Eskdale.
11 NN.
12 Robert, Earl of Strathearn.
13 NN de Moravia.
14 Sir Robert de Muschamp, of Wooler, Northumberland.
15 Isabel.
16 Sir Henry de Graham of Dalkeith, and Simundburn, Northumbs.
17 NN.
18 Adam fitz Gilbert, of Kilbucho and Hutton.
19 Idonea Comyn.
20 Gervase Avenel, of Eskdale.
21 Sibyl.
22 NN.
23 NN.
24 Gilbert, Earl of Strathearn.
25 Matilda d'Aubigny (1st wife).
26 Hugh de Moravia of Duffus.
27 Annabela of Fife.
28 Thomas de Muschamp, of Wooler, Northumberland.
29 Matilda.
30 NN.
31 NN.

32 Sir Peter de Graham of Dalkeith.
33 Geva.
34 NN.
35 NN.
36 Gilbert fitz Richer, of Tarbolton.
37 Juliana de Soulis.
38 Richard Comyn, of Northallerton and Tynedale (1st husband).
39 Hextilda, lady of Tynedale.
40 Robert Avenel, of Eskdale.
41 Sibyl.
42 NN.
43 NN.
44 NN.
45 NN.
46 NN.
47 NN.
48 Ferteth, Earl of Strathearn.
49 Ethna.
50 William d'Aubigny 'Brito', of Belvoir, co. Leicester.
51 Maud de St. Liz.[56],[53]
52 William de Moravia, of Duffus and Strathbrock.
53 NN.
54 Duncan mac Duff, Earl of Fife.
55 Ela, 'nepta' of Malcolm IV, King of Scots.
56 Stephen de Bulmer.
57 Cecily de Muschamp, heiress of her brother Ranulf.
58 NN.
59 NN.
60 NN.
61 NN.
62 NN.
63 NN.
     " * John P. Ravilious.1

Citations

  1. [S2158] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 11 June 2007: "Ancestry of Sir John de Graham of Dalkeith (d. 1337)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 11 June 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 11 June 2007."
  2. [S2159] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email #2 11 June 2007: "Re: Ancestry of Sir John de Graham of Dalkeith (d. 1337)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/BE4ZK_aw3OQ/m/2SSdMxxxDgUJ) to e-mail address, 11 June 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email #2 11 June 2007."
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Peter de Graham, of Dalkeith: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139251&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.

Gervase de Avenel lord of Eksdale1,2

M, #68764, d. 1219
FatherRobert de Avenel of Eksdale1 d. 8 Mar 1184
MotherSibyl (?)1
ReferenceGAV25
Last Edited27 Aug 2019
     Gervase de Avenel lord of Eksdale married Sibyl (?)1
Gervase de Avenel lord of Eksdale died in 1219.2
Gervase de Avenel lord of Eksdale was buried in 1219 at Melrose Abbey, Roxburghshire, Scotland.2


     ; per Ravilious: Gervase Avenel.
died in 1219.[26]
Buried in Melrose Abbey.[26]

lord of Eskdale

Attestation by Brice, bishop of Moray to a concord
between Patrick, earl of Dunbar and Melrose priory
dated at Selkirk, in the octave of the Apostles Peter
and Paul (6 Jul) 1208, witnessed by Our Lord King
William, Alexander son of the King, Earl David
brother of the King, Eustace de Vescy, Gervase
Avenel ("Geruas' auenel"), David de Lindsay, Robert
de London son of the King, Hugh de Normanville,
William de Valoins, Philip de Moubray, Ingram de
Baliol, Roger de Mortimer, Patrick son of the Earl
and others [ Melrose Chart. I:87-91, no. 101[28]]

' Geruasi' Auenel fili' Robt'i Auenel ', granted
charter to Melrose priory confirming grants by his
father in Eskdale, with the consent of his son and
heir Gervase ("p'sentiente G'uasio filio meo 't he'de"),
aft 4 Dec 1214 (names Alexander, son of William as
'king of the Scots, my lord') - witnessed by Sibilla
my wife, Gervase my son and heir, Walter Olifard,
John de Maxwell, Robert my son and others
("Testib's. Hen' . abbe de kelcou. Sibilla
uxore mea. G'uasio filio meo 't hede. Walt'o
olifard..... Joh'e de macc'wel...Rob'to filio
meo...") [ Melrose Chart. I:175-7, no. 196[28]]

record of his death and burial at Melrose, 1219:
' Obiit G. Auenel, cujus corpus in eodem capitulo
sepelitur.' [Chron. Mailro p. 135[26]]

Gervase married Sibyl.2 GAV-25.

Citations

  1. [S2158] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 11 June 2007: "Ancestry of Sir John de Graham of Dalkeith (d. 1337)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 11 June 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 11 June 2007."
  2. [S2159] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email #2 11 June 2007: "Re: Ancestry of Sir John de Graham of Dalkeith (d. 1337)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/BE4ZK_aw3OQ/m/2SSdMxxxDgUJ) to e-mail address, 11 June 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email #2 11 June 2007."

Sibyl (?)1

F, #68765
ReferenceGAV25
Last Edited27 Aug 2019
     Sibyl (?) married Gervase de Avenel lord of Eksdale, son of Robert de Avenel of Eksdale and Sibyl (?).1
     GAV-25.

Citations

  1. [S2158] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 11 June 2007: "Ancestry of Sir John de Graham of Dalkeith (d. 1337)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 11 June 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 11 June 2007."

Hugh de Moravia lord of Duffus1,2

M, #68766, d. before 1222
FatherWilliam de Moravia 1st Earl of Sutherland1,3 d. 1204
ReferenceGAV24
Last Edited26 Aug 2019
     Hugh de Moravia lord of Duffus married Annabela (?) of Fife, daughter of Duncan II Macduff Earl of Fife and Ada/Ela (?).1,2,3
Hugh de Moravia lord of Duffus died before 1222.2
     ; per Ravilious: Hugh de Moravia.
died bef 1222.[1]
Occupation: lord of Duffus.

of Duffus and Strathbrock

' Hugh son of William'

obtained lands in Sutherland: granted Skelbo and a
moiety of Creich to his kinsman Gilbert de Moravia,
archdeacon of Moray [confirmed by his son William,
before 1222[41]]

his wife's maritagium was Durie in Fife, given on her
marriage by her father Earl Duncan, as noted in an
extract of a charter (confirmed by Adam, Earl of
Carrick ca. 1266-1269) [SP VIII:245, note (1),
noting, 'The writ must be between 1266 and 1269.'[1] ]

cf. Crawford pp. 32-33[41]
Scottish Antiquary XV:54-55 (No. 58[42])

Hugh married Annabela of Fife.2

Citations

  1. [S2158] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 11 June 2007: "Ancestry of Sir John de Graham of Dalkeith (d. 1337)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 11 June 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 11 June 2007."
  2. [S2159] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email #2 11 June 2007: "Re: Ancestry of Sir John de Graham of Dalkeith (d. 1337)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/BE4ZK_aw3OQ/m/2SSdMxxxDgUJ) to e-mail address, 11 June 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email #2 11 June 2007."
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugh de Moravia, of Duffus: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00504625&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, NN de Moravia: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00108362&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Walter de Moravia, Lord of Duffus: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00543425&tree=LEO

Annabela (?) of Fife1

F, #68767
FatherDuncan II Macduff Earl of Fife1,2 b. 1154, d. 17 Jun 1203
MotherAda/Ela (?)1
Last Edited19 Oct 2020
     Annabela (?) of Fife married Hugh de Moravia lord of Duffus, son of William de Moravia 1st Earl of Sutherland.1,3,4
     ; per Ravilious: Annabela of Fife.

her identification as dau. of Duncan, Earl of Fife,
and wife of Hugh de Moravia (or Sir Hugh Freskin)
by Andrew B. W. MacEwen[29]

her maritagium was Durie in Fife, given on her
marriage by her father Earl Duncan, as noted in an
extract of a charter (confirmed by Adam, Earl of
Carrick ca. 1266-1269):
' Charter by Adam of Kilconquhar, Earl of Carrick,
confirming a charter "by Reynold le Cheine, son of
Reynold le Cheine, son of Henry le Cheine," to
Gilbert, son of Robert, Earl of Strathearn, of his
lands of Durie in the shire of Scoonie in Fife,
which lands were disponed by Duncan, son of Duncan,
Earl of Fife, to Sir Hugh of .... in marriage with
Annabella, his daughter, the charter confirmed being
engrossed and both wanting dates. Witnesses (to the
Earl of Carrick's grant), Robert, Bishop of Dunblane,
Allan, abbot, and Hugh, prior of the "Ile"
(Inchaffray), Sir Alexander Comyn, Earl of Buchan,
Sir (Malise), Earl of Strathearn, Sir William, Earl
of Mar, Sir William of Brechin. ' [SP VIII:245,
note (1), noting, 'The writ must be between 1266
and 1269.'[1]3 ]

Citations

  1. [S2158] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 11 June 2007: "Ancestry of Sir John de Graham of Dalkeith (d. 1337)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 11 June 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 11 June 2007."
  2. [S2180] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email #3 11 June 2007: "Re: Ancestry of Sir John de Graham of Dalkeith (d. 1337)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/soc.genealogy.medieval/Earl$20of$20Strathearn|sort:date/soc.genealogy.medieval/BE4ZK_aw3OQ/WuF0w4-ABGEJ) to e-mail address, 11 June 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email #3 11 June 2007."
  3. [S2159] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email #2 11 June 2007: "Re: Ancestry of Sir John de Graham of Dalkeith (d. 1337)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/BE4ZK_aw3OQ/m/2SSdMxxxDgUJ) to e-mail address, 11 June 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email #2 11 June 2007."
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugh de Moravia, of Duffus: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00504625&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, NN de Moravia: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00108362&tree=LEO
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Walter de Moravia, Lord of Duffus: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00543425&tree=LEO

Thomas de Muschamp of Wooler, Northumberland1

M, #68768, d. 1190
FatherStephen de Bulmer2 b. 1156, d. b 1173
MotherCecily de Muschamp2,3 b. 1164, d. 1180
ReferenceGAV25
Last Edited27 Aug 2019
     Thomas de Muschamp of Wooler, Northumberland married Matilda (?), daughter of William de Vescy Lord of Alnwick, Northumberland and Burga de Stuteville.1
Thomas de Muschamp of Wooler, Northumberland died in 1190.4
     ; per Ravilious: Thomas de Muschamp.
died in 1190.[2],[32]

of Wooler, Northumberland

'Thomas de Muscampo', held land by the service of
1 knight's fee of the fee of Robert de Cauz, 1166
[Red Book of the Exchequer I:343[30]]

heir of his mother, he took his mother's patronymic
(Sanders, p. 100)[2]

cf. EYC II:127-8[32]
Bartlett, p. 543[43]

Thomas married Matilda.4

; per Ravilious: [quote] The Muschamps family of Wooler, Northumberland is of
relatively minor note, but is known for having been
ancestral to the Grahams of Dalkeith and Abercorn and
thereby of a good many well-known names (Douglas, Earl
of Morton for one).

Thomas de Muschamp (d. 1190) had a wife Matilda,
known from her gift of 3 carucates in Halsington
[Hassington in Eccles parish, Berwickshire] as the
maritagium of her daughter, the wife of William fitz
John 'de Honum' in which she is identified as the
mother of Sir Robert de Muschamps of Wooler [1].
While no other reference to her had been noticed in
primary sources, I noted the following from an 1825
article in The Gentleman's Library:

' Thomas Muschamps married Maud, or Matilda, daughter
of William de Vescy, and in 19 Henry II. "took part
with young Henry against the King his father." He
left issue Robert, to whom Henry I gave the barony
of Wollover [Northumberland].....He [Robert] died
in 34 Henry III., "circa festum Sanctae
Margaritae." ' [2]

There was unfortunately no source cited in this
article, which is not totally reliable: the mention of
the grant of Wooler (Wollover) by Henry I in the quote
above is in error, as this actually the great-grandfather
of the subject Sir Robert de Muschamps who received the
grant in question [3].

Interestingly, the statement concerning the marriage
of Thomas de Muschamps and Matilda de Vesci is not to be
dismissed: I note that Keith Stringer recently stated,
concerning the marriages of the de Vescy family,

' ..through successive marriages close links were
forged with, among others, the Lacys and Stutevilles
in Yorkshire and the Bertrams, Bolbecs and Muschamps
in Northumberland ' [4].

Again, we have even in 1999 no citation to a source on
which to rely or resort to. However, given Stringer's
careful scholarship it seems likely that Matilda was a
daughter of William de Vesci (d. 1183), presumably by his
wife Burga de Stuteville. Perhaps Hassington (elsewhere
Halsyngton or Halsinton) was a de Vesci or de Stuteville
holding in Berwickshire, which came to the Muschamps
family with this marriage.

This would certainly increase what is known (or widely
known) as to the Muschamps' ancestry. Should anyone have
further relevant comment or documentation, concerning
Hassington, Berwickshire or the de Vesci - Muschamps link,
that would be most appreciated. [end quote]5 Thomas de Muschamp of Wooler, Northumberland was also known as Thomas de Bulmer.2 GAV-25.

Citations

  1. [S2158] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 11 June 2007: "Ancestry of Sir John de Graham of Dalkeith (d. 1337)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 11 June 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 11 June 2007."
  2. [S1217] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=:1590432, Sue Cary (unknown location), downloaded updated 25 Aug 2001.
  3. [S2180] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email #3 11 June 2007: "Re: Ancestry of Sir John de Graham of Dalkeith (d. 1337)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/soc.genealogy.medieval/Earl$20of$20Strathearn|sort:date/soc.genealogy.medieval/BE4ZK_aw3OQ/WuF0w4-ABGEJ) to e-mail address, 11 June 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email #3 11 June 2007."
  4. [S2159] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email #2 11 June 2007: "Re: Ancestry of Sir John de Graham of Dalkeith (d. 1337)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/BE4ZK_aw3OQ/m/2SSdMxxxDgUJ) to e-mail address, 11 June 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email #2 11 June 2007."
  5. [S2214] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 15 Jan 2008: "William de Vesci and the Muschamps of Wooler, Northumberland"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 15 Jan 2008. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 15 Jan 2008."

Matilda (?)1

F, #68769
FatherWilliam de Vescy Lord of Alnwick, Northumberland2,3 d. b 29 Sep 1183
MotherBurga de Stuteville b. c 1151, d. a 1185
ReferenceGAV25
Last Edited9 Mar 2020
     Matilda (?) married Thomas de Muschamp of Wooler, Northumberland, son of Stephen de Bulmer and Cecily de Muschamp.1
     GAV-25.

; per ravilious: [quote] Thanks for your replies, and the refs. to Tate's work on the castle and families associated with Alnwick - this was very much appreciated.

One of the very interesting pedigrees provided by the author in one on pp. 407-9, which gives Matilda, wife of Thomas de Muschamp, as a daughter of William de Vescy (d. 1183), although by an unknown wife or mistress other than his known wife Burga de Stuteville. The author writes elsewhere, following problems noted concerning an alleged de Vesci-de Bolebec union,

' It is different with the Muschamps. There was some marriage there, and the evidences show pretty
clearly the the bridegroom and his father in law
died about the same time. His wife Matilda, was
doubtless, as stated, sister of Eustace de Vescy,
but much older. The charters tie the generations
so that we cannot surmise the confusion of two
Williams or two Eustaces, but we know that William
had an elder son William born in concubinage,
defending Alnwick Castle when Eustace was an
infant in arms, or little better. And it does
seem probable that Matilda Muschamp was only
sister by the half-blood to Eustace, either by
a former wife or a concubine. ' [1]

There are charters given in the appendix of the de
Vescis showing Muschamp witnesses; most importantly, there
is the citation from the Liber Feodorum [or Testa de Nevill] which record the holdings of William de Vesci, a
record that can be dated 1242x1250. This includes the
following translation:

' Robert de Muschamp holds Chevelingham and Hibburn
by free marriage. ' [2]

The lack of the Stuteville ascent aside, this is an
important addition to the Muschamp (and Graham, Douglas
et al.) ancestries. I had posted an AT for Sir John de
Graham of Dalkeith (d. 1337) in a previous thread: I will
update this, and forward in a followup post.

Any further documentation is certainly welcome:
especially if anyone should be able to find William de
Vesci's "missing wife".

Cheers,

John *


NOTES

[1] George Tate, F.G.S., The History of the Borough,
Castle, and Barony of Alnwick (Alnwick: Henry
Hunter Blair, 1866), I:397.

[2] Tate, ibid., I:74. The pedigree insertion for
Thomas de Muschamp (I:407) notes concerning
his son, "Robertus de Muschamp tenet - per liberum
maritagium. (Testa de Nevil)."


* John P. Ravilious




On Jan 15, 1:41?pm, Douglas Richardson wrote:
> > Dear John ~
> >
> > The evidence that there was a Vescy-Muschamp marriage appears to lie
> > in the fact that Robert de Muschamp held Chillingham and Hebburn [in > > Chillingham] in 1242 "by free marriage" of the barony of William de
> > Vescy, who died in 1252:
> >
> > See George Tate, The History of the Borough, Castle, and Barony of
> > Alnwick, pg. 74, which source can be found at the following website:
> >
> > http://books.google.com/books?id=CgkNAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA397&lpg=PA397&dq=v...
> >
> > The Muschamp-Vescy marriage is also discussed in Archaeologia Aeliana,
> > 4th ser. 14 (1937): 248.
> >
> > Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah.2

; per Ravilious: 'Matilda mater D. Rob. de Muscampo', gave 3 carucates
in Halsington with her daughter in free marriage to
William fitz John 'de Honum' [RMS pp. 19-20, No. 105[44].]

Citations

  1. [S2158] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 11 June 2007: "Ancestry of Sir John de Graham of Dalkeith (d. 1337)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 11 June 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 11 June 2007."
  2. [S2215] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 15 Jan 2008: "Re: William de Vesci and the Muschamps of Wooler, Northumberland"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 15 Jan 2008. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 15 Jan 2008."
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISHNOBILITYMEDIEVAL3T-Z.htm#WilliamVescydied1183. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Sir Peter de Graham of Dalkeith1

M, #68770
FatherWalter de Graham of Abercorn2 b. c 1100
ReferenceGAV26
Last Edited5 Sep 2019
     Sir Peter de Graham of Dalkeith married Geva (?)1,3
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Burke's Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage, Baronetage and Knightage, London, 1938. 1174.3 GAV-26.

Citations

  1. [S2158] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 11 June 2007: "Ancestry of Sir John de Graham of Dalkeith (d. 1337)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 11 June 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 11 June 2007."
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, William de Graham, of Abercorn: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00127771&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Peter de Graham, of Dalkeith: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139251&tree=LEO

Geva (?)1

F, #68771
ReferenceGAV26
Last Edited5 Sep 2019
     Geva (?) married Sir Peter de Graham of Dalkeith, son of Walter de Graham of Abercorn.1,2
     GAV-26.

Citations

  1. [S2158] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 11 June 2007: "Ancestry of Sir John de Graham of Dalkeith (d. 1337)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 11 June 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 11 June 2007."
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Peter de Graham, of Dalkeith: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139251&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.

Robert de Avenel of Eksdale1

M, #68772, d. 8 March 1184
ReferenceGAV23 EDV23
Last Edited29 Dec 2007
     Robert de Avenel of Eksdale married Sibyl (?)1,2
Robert de Avenel of Eksdale was buried after 1184 at Melrose Abbey, Roxburghshire, Scotland.2


Robert de Avenel of Eksdale died on 8 March 1184.3,2
     GAV-23 EDV-23.

; per Ravilious: Robert Avenel.
died on 8 Mar 1184.[26]
Buried in Melrose Abbey.[26]


' Robert Avenell ', witness to a charter. 4 Oct 1172 :
' Witnessed by Eugene Bishop of Glascow, Mathew Bishop of
Aberdeen, Earl Duncan, Odenell de Umfraville, Richard Cumin,
Hugh Ridele, Gilbert son of Richard, William de Haya, Walter
de Berkeley, Richard de Moreville, constable, Robert Avenell,
Philip de Valones, Robert de Quency, Ranulf de Sules,
William de Munford, Herbert de Samer, the King's clerk
Richard of Lincoln, Simon son of Hutered, Adam his brother,
at Maidens Castle 4 October in the 12th year of his reign '
- A2A, Northumberland Record Office: Swinburne (Capheaton)
estate records [ZSW/1 - ZSW/59] , Swinburne Manuscript
Vol. 1 [ ZSW/1 ][46]


" Rob't auenel ", granted charter to Melrose priory with
the assent of Gervase his heir ['" 't assensu Geruasii hed'is mei " ] of his lands in Eskdale, at Tumloher and
Weidkerroc, ' for the souls of my lord William King of
Scotland, and all his antecessors and successors, and
for my soul and that of my wife Sybil [" p' anima mea 't Sibbille uxoris mee "], renewed during the reign of
King William 1177x1199 [Jocelin, bishop of Glasgow 1174-1199, was a witness, as was Alan 'Senescallus', as steward of Scotland 1177-1204] [ Melrose Chart.
I:30-31, no. 39[28]]


father of a mistress of William the Lion, King of Scots:
record in the Melrose chronicle, for the year 1183:
' Anno m.c.lxxxiij. Willelmus rex Scottorum filiam suam
Isabel, quam genuit ex filia Roberti Auenel, Roberto de
Brus honorifice dedit. ' [Chron. Mailro p. 92[26]]


he d. at monk at Melrose, 8 Mar 1184/5:
' Obiit Robertus Auenel, novicius, familiaris noster,
viij. idus Martii [Mar. 8]. Iste dedit Deo et sancte
Marie et monachis de Melros terram suam de Heskedale,
sicut carta ipsius testatur; cujus beata anima semper
vivat in gloria. ' [Chron. Mailro p. 93[26]]


Robert married Sibyl.2 Robert de Avenel of Eksdale was also known as Richard Avenal.

; Weis [AR7] 170-25.4

Citations

  1. [S2158] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 11 June 2007: "Ancestry of Sir John de Graham of Dalkeith (d. 1337)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 11 June 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 11 June 2007."
  2. [S2180] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email #3 11 June 2007: "Re: Ancestry of Sir John de Graham of Dalkeith (d. 1337)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/soc.genealogy.medieval/Earl$20of$20Strathearn|sort:date/soc.genealogy.medieval/BE4ZK_aw3OQ/WuF0w4-ABGEJ) to e-mail address, 11 June 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email #3 11 June 2007."
  3. [S2160] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email #3 11 June 2007: "Savage of Stainsby, and Avenel of Eskdale: a Ferrers descent ?"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 11 June 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email #3 11 June 2007."
  4. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 170-25, p. 148. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  5. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Dunkeld page (The House of Dunkeld): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brit/dunkeld.html
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, NN Avenal: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00002891&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.

Anne Whitney1

F, #68773
FatherSir Robert Whitney of Whitney, co. Gloucester1 b. a 1521, d. 1567
MotherSybil Baskerville1 b. s 1525
Last Edited22 Nov 2007
     Anne Whitney married Sir Thomas Morgan of Arkeston, co. Hereford, son of William Morgan of Arkeston, co. Hereford.1
     ; per Higgins: "The currrent thread on the recent Whitney article on the October 2006 isssue of TAG caused me to look again into another Whitney matter.

The wife of Henry Carey, 1st Baron Hunsdon (and perhaps son of King Henry VIII), was Anne Morgan, said by CP 6:629 to be "apparently da. of Sir Thomas Morgan, of Arkeston, co. Hereford, by Anne, dau. of Sir Robert Whitney, of Whitney, co. Gloucester". In a long footnote on the same page, CP gives more information on Lady Hunsdon's ancestry, as follows:

"In a vol. (marked with a star, pp. 137-8) among Philpot's MSS in the Coll. of Arms, Lady Hunsdon's parentage (as in the text) and her ancestry on both sides are fully set out, her father being s. and h. of William Morgan, of Arkeston, who was s. and h. of David Morgan, by Mary, da. and coh. of (---) Delahey, of Arkeston afsd., while her mother was da. and h. of Sir Robert Whitney (by Sibell, sister of Sir James Baskerville), which Robert was s. and h. of James Whitney, by Blanche, da. and coh. of Simon Milborne, of Tillington, Co. Hereford. This, probably, is her correct pedigree, and not that in the Visitation of Gloucester (as printed by the Harl. Soc.), where Lord Hunsdon's wife is made out to be da. of James Whitney, by Blanche, da. of Simon Milborne, both abovenamed." END OF QUOTE

The last point in the CP footnote is apparently correct, that Anne, Lady Hunsdon was not herself a Whitney and was not dau. of James Whitney and Blanche Milborne, as at least one visitation pedigree erroneously indicates. However, based on most published Whitney materials (some of which are cited in the TAG article and many of which are collected on the excellent website of the Whitney Research Group), Anne's Whitney mother was named Elizabeth, not Anne, and it was Elizabeth (not Anne) who was the dau. of James Whitney and Blanche MIlborne.

Chronologically, Anne Morgan could not have been the granddaughter of Sir Robert Whitney and Sibell Baskerville, as her license to marry Lord Hunsdon was dated 11 March 1545, while Sir Robert was himself still a minor at the time of his father's death in 1540/1. In addition, it's now accepted (as in the TAG article) that Sir Robert was the grandson, not son, of James Whitney and Blanche Milborne, being son of Robert and Margaret, dau. of Robert Wye of Gloucestershire. So Anne Morgan was a cousin, and not daughter, of the Sir Robert Whitney who mar. Sibell Baskerville.

It appears that the compilers of CP were confused by one or another of the conflicting and not always accurate pedigrees of the Whitney family. Comments are welcomed.1

Citations

  1. [S2161] John Higgins, "Higgins email 16 July 2007: "CP correction? - Anne Morgan, wife of Henry Carey, Baron Hunsdon"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 16 July 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Higgins email 16 July 2007."

Ferchard|Ferquhard|Fereth (?) 2nd Earl of Strathearn1

M, #68774, d. before December 1170
FatherMalise/Mallus (?) 1st Earl of Strathearn2,3,4,5 d. a 14 Jun 1141
ReferenceGAV25
Last Edited22 Aug 2020
     Ferchard|Ferquhard|Fereth (?) 2nd Earl of Strathearn married Ethen/Ethna (?) before 1150.6,7,2,8,3
Ferchard|Ferquhard|Fereth (?) 2nd Earl of Strathearn died before December 1170.7,2
     Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. A Genealogical History of the dormant, abeyant, forfeited and extinct peerages of the British Empire, London, 1866, Burke, Sir Bernard. 350.
2. The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden. XII/1 380.2


; This is the same person as ”Ferteth, Earl of Strathearn” at Wikipedia.9

; Per POMS: "Ferteth was probably the son of Malise (Mael Ísu), earl of Strathearn (fl. 1138-60s?), and held the earldom of Strathearn in the 1160s. He had at least two sons with his wife Eithne: Gilbert, who is first found as earl of Strathearn in 1171, and who married Matilda (or Maud) d'Aubigny, and Malise, who married Ada, daughter of David, earl of Huntingdon (d. 1219), and a daughter, Christian, who married Walter Olifant, son of David. (Lost Kingdoms, 55) Handbook of British Chronology, 521: Ferteth was styled earl of Strathearn in 1160 and died in 1171, and was succeeded by his son, Gilbert (d.1223) In 1160 Ferteth besieged Perth with five other (unnamed) earls, and attempted to capture King Malcolm IV, in outrage at the king’s expedition to Toulouse. (Chron. Mel.)”.10

; Per Ravilious: Ferteth of Strathearn.
     "died in 1171.[14],[52],[1]
     "Occupation: Earl of Strathearn.
     "'pater meus ferthet ', named in charter of his son Earl Gilbert granting lands in Aberrotwain to Inchaffray priory, ca. 1200 [Lindsay, Inchaffray pp. 2-3, no. III[14]]
     "cf. Chart. Inchaffray, lviii et seq.[14] SP VIII:241[1]
     "Ferteth married Ethna."
Ravilious cites:
1. Sir James Balfour Paul, ed., "The Scots Peerage," Edinburgh: David Douglas, 1904-1914 (9 volumes).
14. William Alexander Lindsay, K.C., Windsor Herald; John Dowden, D.D., LL.D; and John Maitland Thomson, LL.D., eds., "Charters, Bulls and Other Documents relating to the Abbey of Inchaffray," 3rd Series, Vol. 56, Edinburgh: T. and A. Constable, 1908.
52. J. Bernard Burke, "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited and Extinct Peerages," from Genealogy.com Family History: Notable British Families, p. 460 (Ros).11 Ferchard|Ferquhard|Fereth (?) 2nd Earl of Strathearn was also known as Ferteth (?) Earl of Strathearn.6,7

; Per Med Lands:
     "FERTETH [Ferquhard] (-before Dec 1170). He succeeded his father as Earl of Strathearn. John of Fordun’s Scotichronicon (Continuator) records that "sex comites, Ferchard…comes de Strathern et alii quinque" conspired against King Malcolm IV after the accession of Henry II King of England[647]. The Chronicle of Melrose records the death in 1171 of "Ferchet earl of Strathern"[648].
     "m (before 1150) ETHEN, daughter of ---. Her marriage is confirmed by the charter dated to [1198] under which her son "Gilbertus comes de Strathern" donated "ecclesiam sancti Cathani de Aberruadeuien" to Inchaffray, for the souls of "pater meus Ferthet et mater mea Ethen"[649]."
Med Lands cites:
[647] Johannis de Fordun (Goodall), Vol. I, Lib. VIII, Cap. IV, p. 450.
[648] Chronicle of Melrose, 1171, p. 16.3
GAV-25. He was living between 1153 and 1165.10 He was Earl of Strathearn. Per Wikipedia "...the second known earl or mormaer of Strathearn" circa 1160 at Strathearn, Perth and Kinross, Scotland.9,10

Family

Ethen/Ethna (?)
Children

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ferchard|Ferquhard|Fereth, 2nd Earl of Strathearn: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00056780&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ferchard|Ferquhard|Fereth: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00056780&tree=LEO
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTTISH%20NOBILITY.htm#MaliseMAdaScotland. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, count Maol Iosa I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139611&tree=LEO
  5. [S4787] People of Medieval Scotland, online <https://www.poms.ac.uk/>, https://www.poms.ac.uk/record/person/591/. Hereinafter cited as POMS - People of Medieval Scotland.
  6. [S2158] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 11 June 2007: "Ancestry of Sir John de Graham of Dalkeith (d. 1337)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 11 June 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 11 June 2007."
  7. [S2180] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email #3 11 June 2007: "Re: Ancestry of Sir John de Graham of Dalkeith (d. 1337)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/soc.genealogy.medieval/Earl$20of$20Strathearn|sort:date/soc.genealogy.medieval/BE4ZK_aw3OQ/WuF0w4-ABGEJ) to e-mail address, 11 June 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email #3 11 June 2007."
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ethen: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00056781&tree=LEO
  9. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferteth,_Earl_of_Strathearn. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  10. [S4787] POMS - People of Medieval Scotland, online https://www.poms.ac.uk/, https://www.poms.ac.uk/record/person/224/
  11. [S2180] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email #3 11 June 2007," e-mail to e-mail address, 11 June 2007, https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/soc.genealogy.medieval/Earl$20of$20Strathearn|sort:date/soc.genealogy.medieval/BE4ZK_aw3OQ/WuF0w4-ABGEJ.
  12. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gilbert: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00108364&tree=LEO
  13. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTTISH%20NOBILITY.htm#GilbertStrathearndied1223

Ethen/Ethna (?)1,2

F, #68775
ReferenceGAV25
Last Edited22 Aug 2020
     Ethen/Ethna (?) married Ferchard|Ferquhard|Fereth (?) 2nd Earl of Strathearn, son of Malise/Mallus (?) 1st Earl of Strathearn, before 1150.1,3,4,2,5
     ; Per Med Lands:
     "FERTETH [Ferquhard] (-before Dec 1170). He succeeded his father as Earl of Strathearn. John of Fordun’s Scotichronicon (Continuator) records that "sex comites, Ferchard…comes de Strathern et alii quinque" conspired against King Malcolm IV after the accession of Henry II King of England[647]. The Chronicle of Melrose records the death in 1171 of "Ferchet earl of Strathern"[648].
     "m (before 1150) ETHEN, daughter of ---. Her marriage is confirmed by the charter dated to [1198] under which her son "Gilbertus comes de Strathern" donated "ecclesiam sancti Cathani de Aberruadeuien" to Inchaffray, for the souls of "pater meus Ferthet et mater mea Ethen"[649]."
Med Lands cites:
[647] Johannis de Fordun (Goodall), Vol. I, Lib. VIII, Cap. IV, p. 450.
[648] Chronicle of Melrose, 1171, p. 16.5


Reference: Genealogics cites: The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden. XII/1 380.2

; Per Ravilious: Ethna. called 'Ethen' or 'Ethne'[1]
     "'Mater mea Ethen ', named in charter of her son Earl Gilbert granting lands in Aberrotwain to Inchaffray priory, ca. 1200 [Lindsay, Inchaffray pp. 2-3, no. III[14]]
     "cf. Chart. Inchaffray, lviii et seq.[14] SP VIII:241[1]
Ravilious cites:
1. Sir James Balfour Paul, ed., "The Scots Peerage," Edinburgh: David Douglas, 1904-1914 (9 volumes).
14. William Alexander Lindsay, K.C., Windsor Herald; John Dowden, D.D., LL.D; and John Maitland Thomson, LL.D., eds., "Charters, Bulls and Other Documents relating to the Abbey of Inchaffray," 3rd Series, Vol. 56, Edinburgh: T. and A. Constable, 1908.
52. J. Bernard Burke, "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited and Extinct Peerages," from Genealogy.com Family History: Notable British Families, p. 460 (Ros)."6 Ethen/Ethna (?) was also known as Ethen.2 GAV-25.

Family

Ferchard|Ferquhard|Fereth (?) 2nd Earl of Strathearn d. b Dec 1170
Children

Citations

  1. [S2158] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 11 June 2007: "Ancestry of Sir John de Graham of Dalkeith (d. 1337)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 11 June 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 11 June 2007."
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ethen: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00056781&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2180] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email #3 11 June 2007: "Re: Ancestry of Sir John de Graham of Dalkeith (d. 1337)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/soc.genealogy.medieval/Earl$20of$20Strathearn|sort:date/soc.genealogy.medieval/BE4ZK_aw3OQ/WuF0w4-ABGEJ) to e-mail address, 11 June 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email #3 11 June 2007."
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ferchard|Ferquhard|Fereth: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00056780&tree=LEO
  5. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTTISH%20NOBILITY.htm#MaliseMAdaScotland. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  6. [S2180] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email #3 11 June 2007," e-mail to e-mail address, 11 June 2007, https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/soc.genealogy.medieval/Earl$20of$20Strathearn|sort:date/soc.genealogy.medieval/BE4ZK_aw3OQ/WuF0w4-ABGEJ.
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gilbert: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00108364&tree=LEO
  8. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTTISH%20NOBILITY.htm#GilbertStrathearndied1223

William de Moravia 1st Earl of Sutherland1

M, #68776, d. 1204
FatherHugh Freskin (or Moray) Lord of Duffus and Strabrock2 d. bt 1214 - 1222
ReferenceGAV22
Last Edited26 Aug 2019
     William de Moravia 1st Earl of Sutherland was buried at Cathedral of Dornoch, Dornoch, co. Sutherland, Scotland.1


William de Moravia 1st Earl of Sutherland died in 1204; Ravilious [2007] says d. 1204; Genealogics says d. 1248.3,1
     ; per Ravilious: William de Moravia.
died in 1204.[57]
of Duffus, Moray and Strathbrock, co. Linlithgow
sheriff of Invernairn
cf. Sutherland p. 68[57]
Scottish Antiquary XV:54-55 (No. 58[42])
SP II:121-2[1].3 GAV-22.

Reference: Genealogics cites: The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden. XII/1 537.1 William de Moravia 1st Earl of Sutherland was also known as William de Moravia of Duffus, Moray and Strathbrock, co. Linlithgow.4,3 He was Sheriff of Invernairn.3

Family

Children

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, William de Moravia, 1st Earl of Sutherland: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00543428&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugh Freskin or Moray, Lord of Duffus and Strabrock: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00543427&tree=LEO
  3. [S2180] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email #3 11 June 2007: "Re: Ancestry of Sir John de Graham of Dalkeith (d. 1337)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/soc.genealogy.medieval/Earl$20of$20Strathearn|sort:date/soc.genealogy.medieval/BE4ZK_aw3OQ/WuF0w4-ABGEJ) to e-mail address, 11 June 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email #3 11 June 2007."
  4. [S2158] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 11 June 2007: "Ancestry of Sir John de Graham of Dalkeith (d. 1337)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 11 June 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 11 June 2007."
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugh de Moravia, of Duffus: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00504625&tree=LEO
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, William, 2nd Earl of Sutherland: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00117560&tree=LEO

Eleanor (?)1

F, #68777
Last Edited5 Sep 2019
     Eleanor (?) married Alemeric/Aumari de St. Amand Lord St. Amand, son of John de St. Amand Lord St. Amand and Lady Margaret le Despenser.1
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Ancestral Story - Eleanor St.Amand 2015 , Fettes, Ian. nr 6.1

Family

Alemeric/Aumari de St. Amand Lord St. Amand b. 1315, d. 11 Sep 1381
Child

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Eleanor: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00671795&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Amauri de St.Amand, Lord St.Amand: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00613651&tree=LEO

Ada/Ela (?)1

F, #68778
FatherNN (?) de Huntingdon2
ReferenceGAV25 EDV24
Last Edited16 Nov 2019
     Ada/Ela (?) married Duncan II Macduff Earl of Fife, son of Duncan I "Dhonnchad" Macduff Mormaer (Earl) of Fife.1,3,4
     GAV-25 EDV-24.

Reference: Genealogics cites: The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden. V 373.1

; per Ravilious: "'nepta' of Malcolm IV, King of Scots."4

;
Per Genealogics: Possibly niece of Malcolm IV.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ada|Ela: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00342036&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTLAND.htm#DavidIdied1153B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  3. [S2180] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email #3 11 June 2007: "Re: Ancestry of Sir John de Graham of Dalkeith (d. 1337)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/soc.genealogy.medieval/Earl$20of$20Strathearn|sort:date/soc.genealogy.medieval/BE4ZK_aw3OQ/WuF0w4-ABGEJ) to e-mail address, 11 June 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email #3 11 June 2007."
  4. [S2158] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 11 June 2007: "Ancestry of Sir John de Graham of Dalkeith (d. 1337)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 11 June 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 11 June 2007."
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Malcolm Macduff, Earl of Fife: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00330828&tree=LEO

Sir Robert Whitney of Whitney, co. Gloucester1

M, #68780, b. after 1521, d. 1567
FatherSir Robert Whitney Esq.2 b. s 1495, d. 1541
MotherMargaret Wye3 b. s 1500, d. a 1541
Last Edited22 Nov 2007
     Sir Robert Whitney of Whitney, co. Gloucester was born after 1521.2 He married Sybil Baskerville, daughter of Sir James Baskerville Kb and Elizabeth Abreynton, before 1544.2,1
Sir Robert Whitney of Whitney, co. Gloucester died in 1567.2
     Sir Robert Whitney of Whitney, co. Gloucester lived at Whitney, Lincolnshire, England.2 Sir Robert Whitney of Whitney, co. Gloucester was also known as Sir Robert Whitney.2

Family

Sybil Baskerville b. s 1525
Children

Citations

  1. [S2161] John Higgins, "Higgins email 16 July 2007: "CP correction? - Anne Morgan, wife of Henry Carey, Baron Hunsdon"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 16 July 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Higgins email 16 July 2007."
  2. [S1409] Kenneth W. Kirkpatrick, "The "Loving Cosens:" Herbert Pelham, Sir Arthur Hesilrige, and Gov. Edward Winslow", The New England Historical and Genealogical Register 613 (January 2000): p. 92. Hereinafter cited as "The "Loving Cosens" (NEHGR,Jan 2000, 154:613)."
  3. [S1409] Kenneth W. Kirkpatrick, "The "Loving Cosens" (NEHGR,Jan 2000, 154:613)", p. 93.

William Morgan of Arkeston, co. Hereford1

M, #68781
FatherDavid Morgan of Arkeston, co. Hereford1
Last Edited22 Nov 2007

Citations

  1. [S2161] John Higgins, "Higgins email 16 July 2007: "CP correction? - Anne Morgan, wife of Henry Carey, Baron Hunsdon"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 16 July 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Higgins email 16 July 2007."

David Morgan of Arkeston, co. Hereford1

M, #68782
Last Edited22 Nov 2007

Citations

  1. [S2161] John Higgins, "Higgins email 16 July 2007: "CP correction? - Anne Morgan, wife of Henry Carey, Baron Hunsdon"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 16 July 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Higgins email 16 July 2007."

Stephen 'the Younter' le Scrope1

M, #68783
FatherSir Stephen le Scrope1 d. 4 Sep 1408
MotherMillicent de Tybetot1
Last Edited16 Dec 2007
     ; Millicent had at least one son by Sir Stephen Scrope: the younger
Stephen Scrope, the stepson with whom Fastolf had such a difficult
relationship. According to his ODNB biography, he left a son John at
his death in 1472. Are further details of Millicent's Scrope
descendants known? She had no issue by Fastolf.1

Citations

  1. [S2165] Michael Andrews-Reading, "Andrews-Reading email 20 Aug 2007: "Heirs to the original Tibetot barony"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 20 Aug 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Andrews-Reading email 20 Aug 2007."

Agnes Hotham1

F, #68784
Last Edited16 Dec 2007
     Agnes Hotham married Sir Thomas de Sutton of Bransholme Castle.1

Citations

  1. [S2166] Brad Verity, "Verity email 20 Aug 2007: "Bigod/Greystoke Marriage in 1433"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 20 Aug 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Verity email 20 Aug 2007."

Matilda Durrant1

F, #68785, b. 1338
FatherThomas Durant of Enfield2,3
ReferenceGAV20
Last Edited28 Aug 2019
     Matilda Durrant was born in 1338.4 She married John (3) Wrothe MP, of Enfield, Middlesex, son of John (2) Wrothe MP, of Enfield, co Middlesex, and Puck Shipton, co Wiltshire, before 1353; His 2nd wife.5,4,6,7,1
     Reference: Genealogics cites: History of Parliament , Roskell. 1386-1421 online.4 Matilda Durrant was also known as Maud Durant.4

Citations

  1. [S2167] Michael Andrews-Reading, "Andrews-Reading email 21 Aug 2007: "Some snippets on the early Wroths of London"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 21 Aug 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Andrews-Reading email 21 Aug 2007."
  2. [S2226] Michael Andrews-Reading, "Andrews-Reading email 14 May 2006: "Re: Wroth of London: originally de Wrotham? "," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 14 May 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Andrews-Reading email 14 May 2006."
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Thomas Durant, of Enfield: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00706534&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Maud Durant: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00706533&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, John Wroth: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00528034&tree=LEO
  6. [S4718] The History of Parliamen, online <http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/>, https://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1386-1421/member/wroth-william-1408. Hereinafter cited as History of Parliament Website.
  7. [S2227] Michael Andrews-Reading, "Andrews-Reading email 15 May 2006: "Re: Wroth of London: originally de Wrotham? "," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 15 May 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Andrews-Reading email 15 May 2006."

Thomas Gardiner1

M, #68786
FatherWilliam Gardiner1 b. 1450, d. 1495
MotherEllen/Helen Tudor1 b. 1459
Last Edited25 Dec 2007
     Thomas Gardiner was Prior of Tynemouth.1

Citations

  1. [S2171] Douglas Richardson, "Richardson email 28 Aug 2007: "Another C.P. Correction: Jasper Tudor's bastard daughter, Ellen,     wife of William Gardiner, and her issue"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 28 Aug 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Richardson email 28 Aug 2007."

Richard Gardiner1

M, #68787, b. 1486, d. 1548
FatherWilliam Gardiner1 b. 1450, d. 1495
MotherEllen/Helen Tudor1 b. 1459
Last Edited25 Dec 2007
     Richard Gardiner was born in 1486 at London, City of London, Greater London, England.1
Richard Gardiner died in 1548 at London, City of London, Greater London, England.1
     ; Children of Wyllyam and Heln (Tudor) Gardynyr were as follows:

2. i. Richard Gardiner, born 1486 in London, England; died 1548 in
London, England. This Richard Gardiner may have been the eldest son of
William Gardiner and Helen Tudor. There is no document to prove this
assumption. He may have also been the father of Germain Gardiner (b.
1505) and also of Richard (b. 1507) Sargeant at Arms to Henry VIII,
who was reported to have been executed for alloegedly witholding
testimony in the trial of Anne Bolyn. Since I am unable to identifyn
this person more fully, I have not included him and his two sons to
definitely be in the line of descent from William Gardiner and Helen
Tudor, although in the book, STEPHEN GARDINER AND THE TUDOR REACTION,
the author mentions Germain as the nephew of Stephen. In another bit
of information on Germain, he was spoken of as a cousin of Stephen, so
the exact identity of these three individuals are not clear.1

Citations

  1. [S2172] Frank Locke, "Locke email 28 Aug 2007: "Another C.P. Correction: Jasper Tudor's bastard daughter, Ellen,     wife of William Gardiner, and her issue"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 28 Aug 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Locke email 28 Aug 2007."

William Gardiner1

M, #68788, b. 1488, d. 1549
FatherWilliam Gardiner1 b. 1450, d. 1495
MotherEllen/Helen Tudor1 b. 1459
Last Edited25 Dec 2007
     William Gardiner married Elizabeth Mitchell.1 William Gardiner was born in 1488 at London, City of London, Greater London, England.1
William Gardiner died in 1549 at The Grange, Bermondsey, London Borough of Southwark, reater London, England.1
     ; 3. WIlliam Gardiner, (Wyllyam), born 1488 in London, Live awhile in
Hertfordshire, England; died 1549 in The Grange, Bermondsey, Surrey,
England. He married 1520, in England to Elizabeth Mitchell. There
seems to be onlya alinited amount of information available on this
William Gardiner, brother of Steven, Bishop of Winchester. It is
believed that he may have been the presbyter at Canterbury whom Steven
Gardiner stopped by to visit on one of his trips back from France
which is mentioned under Steven Gardiner in this book. It was also
brought to the attention of those sitting in judgement at the
Excommunication trial of Steven Gardiner, that he had a brother
William, and this William lived for a while in Herefordshire. William
married Elizabeth Mitchell, of Yorkshire, and died in Bermondsey,
Surrey. It is quite probable that William had an older brother since
it is an Old English custom to name the second son after his father
and the eldest son after the grandfather, which this Gardiner family
has followed with remarkable consistancy down through the generations.
The grandfather could come from either side of the family, as this
was not followed quite as closely as in the use of the father's name.
The was a Richard Gardiner, born about 1486 who was quite prominent in
the London area, who may have been an older member of this family,
which I have listed as a probability since I can find no other who
would more easily fit the situation. He was listed in the service of
Henry VIII as "Seargent at Arms"."1

Family

Elizabeth Mitchell

Citations

  1. [S2172] Frank Locke, "Locke email 28 Aug 2007: "Another C.P. Correction: Jasper Tudor's bastard daughter, Ellen,     wife of William Gardiner, and her issue"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 28 Aug 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Locke email 28 Aug 2007."

Magdalen Danby1

F, #68790, b. circa 1535
FatherSir Christopher Danby Knt., of Thorpe Perrow1,2 b. 1503, d. 14 Jun 1571
MotherElizabeth Neville1,3 b. 28 Apr 1500
Last Edited3 Sep 2008
     Magdalen Danby was born circa 1535.1

Citations

  1. [S2173] Brad Verity, "Verity email 29 Aug 2007: "Descents From Edward III For Col. William Blakiston (1621-1685), M.P."," e-mail message from unknown author e-mail (e-mail address) to e-mail address, 29 Aug 2007. Hereinafter cited as "Verity email 29 Aug 2007."
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sir Christopher Danby, of Thorpe Perrow: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00308276&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Elizabeth Nevill: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00308277&tree=LEO