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     Henry Poyntz married Alice (?) circa 1478.¹

     Alice (?) married William Carpenter of Bristol.¹
Alice (?) married Henry Poyntz, son of Nicholas Poyntz Esq., of Iron Acton, Gloucestershire and Elizabeth Hussey, circa 1478.¹

     Alice Poyntz married Maurice Dennis Esq., of Olveston and Earthcott, Gloucestershire, son of Sir Gilbert Dennis Knt., of Siston, Gloucestershire and Margaret Russel, before 1 November 1437
; his 2nd wife; had issue.^1,2
Alice Poyntz died after 1473.²
     She was living in 1473.²

     Elizabeth Poyntz was a nun at Shaftesbury.¹

     Margaret Poyntz married John Isle of Sussex.¹

     Joan Poyntz married William Dodington of Woodland.¹

     Alice Cock (Coxe) married John Poyntz of Iron Acton, son of Nicholas Poyntz Esq., of Iron Acton, Gloucestershire and Elizabeth Mill,
; her 1st husband.^1,2 Alice Cock (Coxe) married Sir Edward Berkeley Knt., of Beverton Castle, co. Gloucester, son of Maurice Berkeley Knt., of Beverstone, Gloucestershire and Lora Fitz Hugh,
; her 2nd husband; his 2nd wife.²
Alice Cock (Coxe) died on 29 October 1509.^1,2
     Alice Cock (Coxe) was also known as Alice Cox (Cocks).²

     Thomas Poyntz married Jane (Joan) (?) before 11 June 1500
; her 5th husband.^1,2,3,4
Thomas Poyntz died in 1501; dsp.¹
      ; Thomas, Esquire of the Body to HENRY VII at the christening of PRINCE ARTHUR, Steward of the Hundred of Bisley, Keeper of the Parks of Barnsley, Brimsfield, and Miserden, Glos; m Joan, widow of 1st Baron Ferrers (see BURKE'S Peerage, HEREFORD, V), and dau of - Verdon, and dsp 1501.¹

     Sir Thomas de Ferrers Knt., of Fairstead, Essex and Moor End and Plumpton, Horthants married Ankaret Boteler, daughter of William le Botiller 1st Lord Botiller of Wem and Oversley, co. Warwick and Ela de Herdeburgh, after 21 July 1349
; her 2nd husband; Racines et Histoire says Thomas married Elizabeth Freville.^1,2
Sir Thomas de Ferrers Knt., of Fairstead, Essex and Moor End and Plumpton, Horthants died in July 1353.²

     Owen ap Gruffydd ap Gwenwynwyn Lord de la Pole married Joan (Joanna) Corbet, daughter of Sir Robert Corbet of Wattlesborough and Moreton Corbet and Catherine le Strange.^1,2

Owen ap Gruffydd ap Gwenwynwyn Lord de la Pole died before 15 October 1293.¹
      ; Owen Ap GRUFFYDD Ap GWENWYNWYN alias de la POLE (i.e., of Welshpool); allegedly surrendered the principality of Powis to EDWARD I in the late 13th century, though the principality had already been the subject of constant fighting and dispute between the Kings of England and LLYWELYN THE LAST, PRINCE OF WALES, receiving from EDWARD I in return the same area as a free Baron of England (i.e., as Ld of a feudal barony); m as her 1st husb Joan or Joanna (m 2nd between 18 Aug 1295 and 22 Nov 1298 Sir Roger Trumwyne and d by Michaelmas 1348), dau of Sir Robert Corbet, of Wattlesburgh and Moreton Corbet (see 1970 edn CORBET, Bt), and d by 15 Oct 1293, leaving an only son: Gruffydd Ap OWEN or de la POLE.¹ GKJ-21. Owen ap Gruffydd ap Gwenwynwyn Lord de la Pole was also known as Own ap Griffith.²

     Joan (Joanna) Corbet married Owen ap Gruffydd ap Gwenwynwyn Lord de la Pole, son of Gruffudd ap Gwenwynwyn Prince of Powys-Wenwynwyn and Hawise le Strange.^1,2
Joan (Joanna) Corbet married Sir Rober Trumwyne between 18 August 1295 and 22 November 1298.¹

Joan (Joanna) Corbet died before 29 September 1348.¹
     GKJ-21.

     Sir Rober Trumwyne married Joan (Joanna) Corbet, daughter of Sir Robert Corbet of Wattlesborough and Moreton Corbet and Catherine le Strange, between 18 August 1295 and 22 November 1298.¹

     Gruffydd ap Owen married Ela de Audley, daughter of Sir Nicholas de Audley Knt., Lord Audley and Katherine Giffard,
; her 1st husband.^1,2 Gruffydd ap Owen was born circa 1291.¹
Gruffydd ap Owen died on 25 June 1309 at dsp.¹
      ; Gruffydd Ap OWEN or de la POLE; b c 1291; m as her 1st Ela (m 2nd by 12 Dec 1309 Sir James de Perrers; m 3rd by 10 July 1322 Piers Corbet and d between 5 March 1324/5 and 9 June 1325), dau of Nicholas de Audley, and dsp by 25 June 1309.¹ Gruffydd ap Owen was also known as Gruffydd de la Pole.¹

     Ela de Audley married Gruffydd ap Owen, son of Owen ap Gruffydd ap Gwenwynwyn Lord de la Pole and Joan (Joanna) Corbet,
; her 1st husband.^1,2 Ela de Audley married Sir James de Perrers before 12 December 1309
; her 2nd husband.^1,2 Ela de Audley married Piers Corbet before 10 July 1322
; her 3rd husband.¹
Ela de Audley died between 5 March 1324 and 9 June 1325.¹

     Ebles le Strange 1st Lord Strange married Lady Alice de Lacy Countess of Lincoln and Salisbury, daughter of Henry de Lacy 3rd Earl of Lincoln and Margaret de Longespee Countess of Salisbury, before 10 November 1324
; her 2nd husband.¹
Ebles le Strange 1st Lord Strange died on 8 September 1335 at dsp.¹
      ; EBLES LESTRANGE, 1st LORD (Baron) STRANGE, so cr 3 Dec 1326 by writ of summons (according to later doctrine), although also occasionally referred to in contemporary documents as EARL OF LINCOLN, presumably in right of his w (husb and w were the subject of an order decreeing that they should be paid the stipend derived from Lincs revenues traditionally associated with the upkeep of the earldom of a county (see RUTLAND, D, and NORTHUMBERLAND, D, for discussion of earldoms at this period); moreover, he, his w and their heirs were apptd Keepers Lincoln Castle 1331 and he made Keeper of Lincs 1332; he was, however, never summoned to Parl as EARL OF LINCOLN); supported Thomas, 2nd Earl of Lancaster (est s of Edmund Crouchback, 1st Earl of Lancaster, 2nd s of HENRY III) in opposing and encompassing the death of Piers Gaveston, EDWARD II's favourite; pardoned for this 1313; Kt Banneret 1326; called up for mil service against Scots 1327 and 1332/3; m by 10 Nov 1324, as her 2nd husb, LADY ALICE de LACY, COUNTESS OF LINCOLN AND SALISBURY in her own right (b 25 Dec 1281; m 1st c 1294 Thomas, 2nd Earl of Lancaster (see above; he seems to have been called EARL OF LINCOLN also, again presumably in right of his w; divorce 1318 following Lady Alice's abduction 1317 by a knight, who also claimed the Earldom of Lincoln, together with that of Salisbury, in right of an alleged intimacy with her before her 1st marriage such that he was her actual husb, this being done allegedly with the knowledge of EDWARD II so as to heap obloquy on the Earl of Lancaster); m 3rd Hugh de Fre(y)ne, Lord (Baron) Frene, following a second abduction, and dsp 2 Oct 1348, when the Earldom of Lincoln of the 1232 cr expired), dau of 3rd Earl of Lincoln of the 1232 cr by his w Margaret, heiress of her grandmother Ela Countess of Salisbury, and dsp 8 Sept 1335, when the Barony expired.¹ He was 1st LORD (Baron) STRANGE, so cr 3 Dec 1326 by writ of summons (according to later doctrine), although also occasionally referred to in contemporary documents as EARL OF LINCOLN, presumably in right of his w (husb and w were the subject of an order decreeing that they should be paid the stipend derived from Lincs revenues traditionally associated with the upkeep of the earldom of a county (see RUTLAND, D, and NORTHUMBERLAND, D) on 3 December 1326.¹

     Henry de Lacy 3rd Earl of Lincoln married Margaret de Longespee Countess of Salisbury, daughter of William (II) de Longespee and Matilda (Maud) de Clifford, circa 1256
; Richardson says (quoting CP 7 (1929): 681-687 sub Lincoln that Henry was contract to marry Margaret "on or before 23 Dec. 1256."^3,4,5,6
Henry de Lacy 3rd Earl of Lincoln died between 5 February 1310 and 1311.^6,7 He married Joan Martin, daughter of William Martin 1st Lord Martin and Eleanor Fitz Piers, before 16 June 1310
; Her 1st husband.^7,8
      ; The authoritative Complete Peerage, 7 (1929): 681-687 (sub Lincoln) has a good account of the life of Sir Henry de Lacy, Earl of Lincoln (died 1311). Regarding his first marriage, the following information is provided:

"On or before 23 Dec. 1256 he was contracted to marry Margaret, 1st daughter and coheiress of Sir William Lungespee, and on 1 June 1268, when still under age, he did homage with Margaret his wife and had livery of her inheritance .... She was living 11 Kal. September 1306."

Complete Peerage states that Earl Henry de Lacy and his wife, Margaret Longespee, had three children in all, namely two sons, Edmund and John, both of whom died accidental deaths before 1293 [see Complete Peerage, 7 (1929): 683, 686 footnote e (sub Lincoln)], and one daughter and eventual sole heiress, Alice, who married Thomas of Lancaster, Earl of Lancaster.

Earl Henry de Lacy's two legitimate sons, Edmund and John, are both mentioned in the following sources: William Dugdale, Monasticon Anglicanum, 6(1) (1830): 315-317 (Norton Priory) (Pedigree and history of the Founders); Ormerod, History of the County Palatine & City of Chester 1 (1819): 515; Throsby, Thoroton's Hist. of Nottinghamshire, 3 (1790): 132-135; and Whitaker, History of Original Parish of Whalley, 1 (1872): 236-254. The same two sons are also mentioned in the interesting biographical sketch of Earl Henry de Lacy written by Joseph McNulty entitled "Henry de Lacy, Earl of Lincoln (1251-1311)," which appeared in Transactions of the Lancashire and Chesire Antiquarian Soc. 51 (1936): 19-43. The elder son, Edmund, is also named in a family pedigree dated c. 1480-1500 found in Harvey et al., Vis. of the North, 3 (Surtees Soc. 144) (1930): 63-64 (Lacy pedigree: "Edmundus [de Lacy] obijt ante patrem.")

Whittaker states that the eldest son, Edmund, was contracted to marry in 1282 Maud daughter and heiress of Patrick de Chaworth, the bride being aged five. Whittaker cites the following as his source for Edmund and Maud's contracted marriage:

"Cui rex Edwardus isto anno [1282] dedit maritagium Matilde puelle quinqennys filie et heredis Patricii de Chauworth, quam genuit de filia Will'mi de Bellocampo, Comitis de Warwyke, quam postea duxit uxorem Hugo Despenser. Iste itaque Edmundus dominus et filius Henrici de Lacy statim juvenis est defunctus, nullo post se relicto herede de corpore suo procreato. (Cotton MS. Cleop. C. III f. 335b.") END OF QUOTE

If the bride, Maud de Chaworth, was aged 5 at the time of the contracted marriage, then the date would be circa 1287, not 1282, as Maud de Chaworth is known to have been born 2 February 1282 (aged 1 in 1283, aged 24 in 1306). I presume Edmund de Lacy died shortly before 30 Dec. 1291, when my file notes show that Maud de Chaworth's marriage was granted by the king. If so, then the marriage was contracted but never consumated, as Maud was only aged 9 in 1291. Maud de Chaworth subsequently married before 2 March 1296/7 Henry de Lancaster, Knt., afterwards Earl of Lancaster and Leicester [Reference: Complete Peerage, 7 (1929): 400, citing Cal. Patent Rolls, 1292-1301, pg. 239]. Curiously, Complete Peerage makes no mention of Maud de Chaworth's contracted marriage to Edmund de Lacy in either its Lancaster or Lincoln accounts.

In addition to these children, both Ormerod and Whittaker assign Henry de Lacy a second daughter, Margaret [References: Ormerod, History of the County Palatine & City of Chester 1 (1819): 515; Whitaker Hist. of Original Parish of Whalley 1 (1872): 248-249]. Ormerod appears to have relied on two earlier authors, Brooks and Fern(e), for his list of Earl Henry de Lacy's children. Ormerod says the following regarding Margaret:

"Ferne, in Lacy's Nobility, calls Margaret by the name of Joan, pag. 125, but falsly."

Since Ormerod did not reveal what source he used to verify Margaret's name and existence, we are left in the dark as to what documentation he found for her. I presume Ormerod found her mentioned in "Brooks," which source he does not identify. "Brooks" is possibly the work, "Vincent on Brook," who Ormerod quotes elsewhere in his account of the Lacy family.

Whittaker, pg. 249, states that Earl Henry de Lacy had a daughter, Margaret, "who died before her father," but the source he cites as evidence for her existence only mentions Earl Henry's younger son, John, and his daughter, Alice, not Margaret:

"Dictus igitur Henricus Com. Lincoln. & prefata Margareta uxore sua genuit aliam filium nomine Johannem et filiam unam nomine Alesyam. Sed Johannes iste priusquam annos nubiles attigisset super turrem quoddam in Castro de Pontefracto incaute discurrens lapsus est ultra muros et in terram collisus et constructus protinus expiravit, nullum post se sui corporis relinquens heredem. (Ibid.)" END OF QUOTE

The source Whittaker used for this information appears to be Cotton MS. Cleop. C. III m. f. 328b, and Vesp. D.XVII. f. 17b. Quite possibly Margaret is named as a child of Earl Henry de Lacy elsewhere in one of these two sources.

Lastly, Complete Peerage and all of the above cited sources (Ormerod, Whittaker, McNulty, Throsby, etc.) overlooked yet another child of Earl Henry de Lacy, namely, an illegitimate son, John de Lacy, Knt., of Lacyes (in Grantchester), Cambridgeshire, which individual was a member of the household of his half-sister, Alice de Lacy, Countess of Lincoln, in 1336. The evidence for Sir John de Lacy's existence and parentage is found in a petition dated c. 1335 of Alice de Lacy, Countess of Lancaster, in which she specifically calls him her brother. This petition is found in the helpful online National Archives catalogue (http://www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/search.asp). It concerns Alice de Lacy's abduction and rape by Sir Hugh de Frene, afterwards her third husband.

"SC 8/64/3163: Petitioners: [Alice de Lacy], Countess of Lincoln. Addressees: King and council Places mentioned: Bolingbroke,
[Lincolnshire]; Somerton, [Lincolnshire]; London. Other people mentioned: Hugh de Frene; John de Lacy, brother of the petitioner. Nature of request: Lacy requests that a speedy remedy be ordained for her so that she may be at her own will and amongst her friends, as she has been ravished by Frene, who has taken her from her castle of Bolingbroke and is detained by him in the Tower of London. [c. 1335]." END OF QUOTE.

VCH Cambridge, 5 (1973): 203-204 shows that Sir John de Lacy, of Lacyes (in Grantchester), Cambridgeshire, granted land at Grantchester in 1343 to his son, Edmund de Lacy. Sir John de Lacy was still living in 1348, citing Cal. Pat. Rolls, 1345-1348, pg. 472. He was eventually succeeded by a younger John de Lacy who occurs from 1349 until 1387. Successive generations of this family held Lacyes manor in Grantchester until 1547, when Henry Lacy and his brother, Edward, sold the manor to Thomas Neville. Presumably modern descendants exist for this family. Leland, Itinerary, ii. 1, which I haven't seen, indicates that about 1540 the Lacy family of Grantchester "claimed descent from an illegitimate son of Henry de Lacy, earl of Lincoln (died 1311)." It appears that the family's claim was valid.

Sir John de Lacy, of Lacyes (in Grantchester), Cambridgeshire, is possibly the individual who occurs in the following National Archives document:

PRO Document, E 41/389 - John Lacy; John Bassett of Drayton, Staffordshire: Roll of evidence relating to the manor of Long Buckby; Northamptonshire, also manors of Hardwick, Northamptonshire, Granchester, Cambridgeshire, and [East] Bradenham, Norfolk; lands in Southoe (Sudhoo) (Hunt), Winterslow (Wilts.); Kingston, Wimborne [Minster], and Blandford (Dorset) (temp. Edw III). END OF QUOTE.

>From the description provided, the nature of this document is not at all certain. The lands involved appear to be the Quincy inheritance of Margaret de Quincy, 2nd wife of Sir John de Lacy, Earl of Lincoln (died 1240). If so, perhaps this document has been misdated. VCH Cambridge 5 shows that the overlordship of Grantchester, Cambridgeshire remained with the Earls of Lincoln. The manor of Long Buckby, Northamptonshire, however, appears to have gone to the Basset family of Drayton, Staffordshire.

Comments are invited.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah.⁶

     Sir William le Scrope died at died in the East on the Black Sea.¹
      ; William (Sir), during the peace with France campaigned with Humphrey de Bohun, Earl of Hereford and Constable of England, in Lombardy, and accompanied him on crusade into Asia Minor. where they were present with King Peter of Cyprus at the taking of Adalia from the Tekké emir; d in the East, and was bur at Misvri, on the Black Sea, where a tomb bearing the Masham white label charged with three torteaux was erected to him in the church.¹

     Sir Stephen le Scrope Knt., 2nd Baron Scrope of Masham was born circa 1345.⁷ He married Margery de Welles, daughter of Sir John de Welle 4th Lord Welles and Margaret (Maud) de Ros, before 5 February 1376
; van de Pas says m. abt 1372.^1,7,2,8
Sir Stephen le Scrope Knt., 2nd Baron Scrope of Masham died between 25 January 1405 and 1406.¹
Sir Stephen le Scrope Knt., 2nd Baron Scrope of Masham was buried after 25 January 1405 at Scrope Chapel, York Minster, England.⁷
     EDV-18 GKJ-17. He was 2nd Baron Scrope of Masham.¹

; Stephen, 2nd Baron Scrope of Masham, knighted by Peter de Lusignan, King of Cyprus, at the taking of Alexandria Oct 1365, fought under the Black Prince at Najera in Spain 1367, and under John of Gaunt in Guienne 1373; m Margery (d 29 May, 1422), widow of John de Huntingfield, est s of William, Baron Huntingfield, and dau of John 4th Baron Welles, and d 25 Jan 1405/6.¹

     Stephen le Scrope LLD, Archdeacon of Richmond died on 5 September 1418; dsp.¹
      ; Stephen, LLD, Archdeacon of Richmond, Chancellor of Cambridge U 1414, is said to have written Quaedem de rebus Anglicis, dsp 5 Sept 1418.¹

     Henry le Scrope of Flotmanby and Wensley married Juliane Brun, daughter of Roger Brun of Fylingdales, Yorks.¹

     GAV-22 EDV-20 GKJ-20.

Henry le Scrope of Flotmanby and Wensley lived at Wensley, Yorkshire, England.¹

; HENRY LE SCROPE, of Flotmanby, and Wensley, living 1224, when one, Joceline le Scrope, was his seneschal, granted further lands to Bridlington Priory; m Juliane, dau of Roger Brun, of Fylingdales, Yorks.¹ He was living in 1224.¹

     Millicent de Tybetot married Sir Stephen le Scrope, son of Richard le Scrope 1st Baron Scrope of Bolton and Blanche de la Pole,
; had issue.^1,2 Millicent de Tybetot married Sir John Fastolf Kg in January 1409.^1,2

     Sir Ralph Boteler Knt., KG, 7th (last) Baron Sudeley was born before 1418.² He married Elizabeth Norbury before 6 July 1419.²
Sir Ralph Boteler Knt., KG, 7th (last) Baron Sudeley married Alice Deincourt Baroness d'Eyncourt and Grey, of Rotherfield, daughter of John Deincourt 5th Lord Deincourt, 12th Lord d'Eyncourt and Joane Grey, circa 8 January 1463.^1,2

Sir Ralph Boteler Knt., KG, 7th (last) Baron Sudeley died on 2 May 1473.²
      ; RALPH BOTELER, notional 7th LORD (Baron) SU(DE)LEY(E) of the 1299, but the impossibility of his holding any such status in contemporary eyes is shown by his being cr by patent 10 Sept 1441 BARON SUDELEY, Co Gloucester (E), KG (1440); apparently ktd by 1418 (though in 1419 called esquire) but certainly by Jan 1434/5; granted land in France 1420/1, Capt Arques and Crotoy in France 1423, Ch Butler to HENRY VI Jan 1434/5, memb King's Council France and Normandy 1440, Treasurer Exchequer 1443-46; m 1st by 6 July 1419 Elizabeth, widow of John Hende; m 2nd c 8 Jan 1462/3 Alice, dau of 5th Lord (Baron) Deincourt and widow of 7th Lord (Baron) Lovel (of Titchmarsh) and de jure 4th Lord (Baron) Holand, and dspms 2 May 1473, when the Barony of 1441 expired but the notional one of 1299 would by later doctrine have been deemed to have fallen into abeyance between his sisters' issue.² He was notional 7th LORD (Baron) SU(DE)LEY(E) of the 1299 cr.² He was BARON SUDELEY, Co Gloucester (E) on 10 September 1441.²

     John IX Lovel 8th Lord Lovel of Titchmarsh, 5th Lord Holand married Joan Beaumont, daughter of John Beaumont KG, 6th Lord & 1st Viscount Beaumont and Elizabeth Phelip,
; her 1st husband.^1,5,2,6,3,4 John IX Lovel 8th Lord Lovel of Titchmarsh, 5th Lord Holand was born circa 1433.^1,3
John IX Lovel 8th Lord Lovel of Titchmarsh, 5th Lord Holand died between 9 January 1464 and 1465.^1,3,4
     He was 5th LORD (Baron) HOLAND.¹ He was 8th LORD (Baron) LOVEL (of Titchmarsh.)¹ He was Lancastrian Wars of Roses.¹

; JOHN LOVEL, 8th LORD (Baron) LOVEL (of Titchmarsh) and 5th LORD (Baron) HOLAND; b c 1433; Lancastrian Wars of Roses; m Joan, dau of 1st Viscount Beaumont (see BEAUMONT, Bt), and d 9 Jan 1464/5, leaving issue.¹