Etiennette/Tiphanie (?) dame de Chantocé et d’Ingrande1,2

F, #20791
FatherHugues (?) Sire de Chantocé3
ReferenceEDV25
Last Edited28 Oct 2020
     Etiennette/Tiphanie (?) dame de Chantocé et d’Ingrande married Simon Crespin;
Her 2nd husband.4 Etiennette/Tiphanie (?) dame de Chantocé et d’Ingrande married Maurice I de Craon seigneur de Craon, son of Renaud II «Le Bourguignon» de Craon seigneurde Craon et de Sablé and Agnes/Domitille de Vitre, before 2 December 1101;
Her 1st husband.1,2
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: 3:719.2 EDV-25.

Family 1

Simon Crespin

Family 2

Maurice I de Craon seigneur de Craon b. c 1080, d. 1116
Children

Citations

  1. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Craon.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Etiennette|Tiphaine de Chantocé: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00124703&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugues: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00124704&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Simon Crespin: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00124705&tree=LEO

Renaud II «Le Bourguignon» de Craon seigneurde Craon et de Sablé1,2

M, #20792, b. circa 1060, d. December 1101
FatherRobert "the Burgundian" (?) de Nevers, Vicomte de Sable, seigneur de Craon1,2 b. c 1035, d. a 1098
MotherHawise/Avise (?) dame de Sablé1,2 b. c 1035, d. b 1067
ReferenceEDV27
Last Edited6 Nov 2020
     Renaud II «Le Bourguignon» de Craon seigneurde Craon et de Sablé was born circa 1060.2 He married Agnes/Domitille de Vitre, daughter of Robert I de Vitré seigneur de Vitré and Bertha/Berthe de Craon Dame de Craon, before 3 March 1070; Ravilious cites: Detlev Schewennicke, "Europäische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, Neue Folge," [ " European Family Trees: Family Trees for the History of European States, New Series " ], Marburg, Germany: Verlag von J. A. Stargardt, 1978-1995 [3rd series], First series by Wilhelm Karl, Prinz zu Isenburg, continued second series by Frank, Baron Freytag von Loringhoven.1,2
Renaud II «Le Bourguignon» de Craon seigneurde Craon et de Sablé died in December 1101.2
Renaud II «Le Bourguignon» de Craon seigneurde Craon et de Sablé died on 13 January 1149; emprisonné.2
     EDV-27.

Citations

  1. [S1936] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 25 Aug 2005: "Robert II of France to Maud de Bernake (was CP Addition:..)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 25 Aug 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 25 Aug 2005."
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Craon.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.

Agnes/Domitille de Vitre1,2

F, #20793
FatherRobert I de Vitré seigneur de Vitré1 b. c 1034, d. c 1072
MotherBertha/Berthe de Craon Dame de Craon1 b. c 1039, d. c 1109
ReferenceEDV27
Last Edited9 Nov 2020
     Agnes/Domitille de Vitre married Renaud II «Le Bourguignon» de Craon seigneurde Craon et de Sablé, son of Robert "the Burgundian" (?) de Nevers, Vicomte de Sable, seigneur de Craon and Hawise/Avise (?) dame de Sablé, before 3 March 1070; Ravilious cites: Detlev Schewennicke, "Europäische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, Neue Folge," [ " European Family Trees: Family Trees for the History of European States, New Series " ], Marburg, Germany: Verlag von J. A. Stargardt, 1978-1995 [3rd series], First series by Wilhelm Karl, Prinz zu Isenburg, continued second series by Frank, Baron Freytag von Loringhoven.1,2
     EDV-27.

Citations

  1. [S1936] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 25 Aug 2005: "Robert II of France to Maud de Bernake (was CP Addition:..)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 25 Aug 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 25 Aug 2005."
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Craon.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.

Robert I de Vitré seigneur de Vitré1,2

M, #20794, b. circa 1034, d. circa 1072
FatherTristan de Vitré
MotherEnnoguende de Fougères
ReferenceGAV27 EDV27
Last Edited18 Jan 2014
     Robert I de Vitré seigneur de Vitré was born circa 1034.3 He married Bertha/Berthe de Craon Dame de Craon, daughter of Guérin I de Craon and Anne de Crequy, between 1060 and 1070; her 1st husband.3
Robert I de Vitré seigneur de Vitré died circa 1072.3
     ; van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.), Reference: III 719.1 GAV-27 EDV-27. He was living in 1037.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Robert I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00124698&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Craon.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Craon.pdf, p. 2.
  4. [S1936] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 25 Aug 2005: "Robert II of France to Maud de Bernake (was CP Addition:..)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 25 Aug 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 25 Aug 2005."

Bertha/Berthe de Craon Dame de Craon1,2,3

F, #20795, b. circa 1039, d. circa 1109
FatherGuérin I de Craon4,5 d. a 1053
MotherAnne de Crequy4
ReferenceEDV28
Last Edited6 Nov 2020
     Bertha/Berthe de Craon Dame de Craon was born circa 1039.3 She married Robert I de Vitré seigneur de Vitré, son of Tristan de Vitré and Ennoguende de Fougères, between 1060 and 1070; her 1st husband.3 Bertha/Berthe de Craon Dame de Craon married Robert "the Burgundian" (?) de Nevers, Vicomte de Sable, seigneur de Craon, son of Renaud I (?) Count of Nevers & Auxerre and Advisa (?) de France, Comtesse d'Auxerre, on 15 March 1078; her 2nd usband; his 2nd wife.3
Bertha/Berthe de Craon Dame de Craon died circa 1109.3
     EDV-28.

Citations

  1. [S1504] Editor Detlev Schwennicke Europäische Stammtafeln (Marburg: J.A. Stargardt Verlag), Vol. III, p. 719. Hereinafter cited as Europäische Stammtafeln.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00124699&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Craon.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  4. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I30219
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00124697&tree=LEO
  6. [S1936] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 25 Aug 2005: "Robert II of France to Maud de Bernake (was CP Addition:..)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 25 Aug 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 25 Aug 2005."

John Stewart PC, 5th Earl of Atholl1

M, #20796, b. 22 May 1563, d. 28 August 1595
FatherJohn Stewart PC, 4th Earl of Atholl1 d. 24 May 1547
MotherHon. Margaret Fleming1
Last Edited25 Nov 2002
     John Stewart PC, 5th Earl of Atholl married Mary Ruthven Countess of Atholl, daughter of William Ruthven PC, 4th Lord Ruthven, 1st Earl of Gowrie and Dorothea Stuart.1 John Stewart PC, 5th Earl of Atholl was born on 22 May 1563.1
John Stewart PC, 5th Earl of Atholl died on 28 August 1595 at age 32; dsm.1
     ; John, 5th Earl of Atholl, PC; b 22 May 1563, was a Commissioner to pursue the Clan Gregor, 1589-90, took part on Bothwell's side in the Raid of Leith 1594, and dsm- 28 Aug 1595. He m 24 Jan 1579/80, Mary Ruthven (who m 2nd, 1596, his kinsman John Stewart Earl of Atholl and Ld Innermeath (see above); and 3rd, James Stewart, s of James, Master of Buchan (see above), dau of William, 1st Earl of Gowrie (see RUTHVEN OF FREELAND, L.), and by her had issue.1 He was 5th Earl of Atholl.

Citations

  1. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Stuart Earls of Moray Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.

Ennoguende de Fougères

F, #20797
FatherJuhel (Judicaël) Bérenger (?) Comte de Rennes1 b. b 931, d. bt 972 - 979
MotherGerberge (?)1
ReferenceGAV28 EDV28
Last Edited10 Mar 2020
     Ennoguende de Fougères married Tristan de Vitré, son of André I de Vitré Seigneur of Vitré, Brittany and Agnes de Mortain.
     GAV-28 EDV-28. Ennoguende de Fougères was also known as Enoguen de Fougères.1

Family

Tristan de Vitré
Child

Citations

  1. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/brittnpr.htm#EnoguenFougeresMTriscanVitre. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Hawise/Hav(o)ise de Craon Dame de Craon et de Chatelais1,2

F, #20798, d. 1230
FatherMaurice II de Craon seigneur de Craon2,3,4 b. a 1132, d. 12 Jul 1196
MotherIsabelle (?) de Meulan, dame de Beaumont-Le-Roger2,5,6,7,4 b. c 1147, d. 10 May 1220
Last Edited29 Nov 2020
     Hawise/Hav(o)ise de Craon Dame de Craon et de Chatelais married Guy V de Laval Sire de Laval, son of Guy IV de Laval Sire de Laval and Agathe (?), before 1189; per Racines et Histoire: m. ca 1198; her 1st husband.1,2,4,8,9 Hawise/Hav(o)ise de Craon Dame de Craon et de Chatelais married Yves le Franc seigneur de Saulgé before 1215;
Her 2nd husband.4,6,10,11
Hawise/Hav(o)ise de Craon Dame de Craon et de Chatelais died in 1230.2,4
     ; Per Med Lands:
     "GUY [V] de Laval (-1210). "Guido Lavallensis dominus" relinquished the parish of la Gravelle to Marmoutier, with the advice of "fratris mei Hamonis, et uxoris mee Agathe et filiorum meorum Guidonis atque Sicilie", by charter dated to [1142/85][281]. "Guidonis filii mei…" consented to the donation by "Guido de Lavalle" to Sainte-Trinité de Fougères by charter dated 1180[282]. He succeeded his father as Seigneur de Laval. "Guido sextus de Lavalle" donated property to Bellebranche abbey by charter dated 1186[283]. "Guido junior de Lavalle" confirmed donations to Clermont abbey by charter dated 1194, on the burial day of "avunculi mei Hamonis"[284]. "Mauritius de Credone filius Hugonis" appointed "Guido de Laval…et Havis uxor eius" as guardians of his children and his lands, in the case of the death of his wife, in his undated testament when leaving for Jerusalem, and provided for their inheritance of his lands if he died without male heirs[285]. "Guido sextus dominus de Lavalle" donated property to Plessis-Milcent by charter dated 1205, witnessed by "Haoys uxore mea…"[286]. "Guido dominus sextus de Lavalle" donated property to Olivet priory, for the soul of "Ozannæ filiæ meæ", by charter dated to [1205], witnessed by "Haoys uxore mea, Guido filius meus, Emma filia mea"[287]. "Guido sextus dominus Lavallensis" ratified a donation by "patris mei" to the canons of "castellilo Lavallensi", by charter dated 1208, witnessed by "…Emma matre mea, Hayoisia uxore mea…"[288].
     "m as her first husband, AVOISE de Craon Dame de Craon et de Châtelais, daughter of MAURICE [II] Seigneur de Craon & his wife Isabelle de Meulan (-1230). "Mauritius de Credone filius Hugonis" appointed "Guido de Laval…et Havis uxor eius" as guardians of his children and his lands, in the case of the death of his wife, in his undated testament when leaving for Jerusalem, and provided for their inheritance of his lands if he died without male heirs[289]. Her first marriage is confirmed by the Testa de Nevill which includes a writ of King John dated 1212 which records that "Mauricius de Creon" gave "Waletun…hundredum de Waletun" in Surrey to "Gwidoni de la Val cum filia sua"[290]. "Guido sextus dominus de Lavalle" donated property to Plessis-Milcent by charter dated 1205, witnessed by "Haoys uxore mea…"[291]. "Guido dominus sextus de Lavalle" donated property to Olivet priory, for the soul of "Ozannæ filiæ meæ", by charter dated to [1205], witnessed by "Haoys uxore mea, Guido filius meus, Emma filia mea"[292]. "Guido sextus dominus Lavallensis" ratified a donation by "patris mei" to the canons of "castellilo Lavallensi", by charter dated 1208, witnessed by "…Emma matre mea, Hayoisia uxore mea…"[293]. She married secondly (before 1215) Yves le Franc Seigneur de Saulges (-before 1260). "Robertus comes de Alenchon" settled the dower of "domine Haoys de Lavalle" by charter dated [19 Apr/31 Oct] 1215[294]. "Robertus comes d´Alencon et dominus Lavallis et Emma uxor eius filia Guidonis de Lavalle et hæres Lavallis" exchanged property with "Yvoni Franco et dominæ Haoys uxori suæ" by charter dated Feb 1216[295]. "Matheus de Montemorenciaco, conestabularius Franciæ et Emma, eius uxor, comitissa de Alanconio et domina Lavallensis" ratified a donation by "dominus Ivo Francus et uxor eius Advisia de Lavalle" to Bellebranche, for the salvation of "domini Guydonis de Lavalle" and for "Hugonis filii sui", by charter dated 1218[296].
     "Guy [V] & his wife had four children."
Med Lands cites:
[281] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 149, p. 110.
[282] Fougères Sainte-Trinité XVII, p. 237.
[283] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 201, p. 139.
[284] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 233, p. 149.
[285] Bodard de la Jacopière (1872), Renvoi E2, p. 596, quoting Coll. Housseau, Vol. VI, no. 2135.
[286] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 284, p. 166.
[287] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 288, p. 171.
[288] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 298, p. 177.
[289] Bodard de la Jacopière (1872), Renvoi E2, p. 596, quoting Coll. Housseau, Vol. VI, no. 2135.
[290] Testa de Nevill, Part I, p. 68.
[291] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 284, p. 166.
[292] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 288, p. 171.
[293] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 298, p. 177.
[294] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 327, p. 202.
[295] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 333, p. 206.
[296] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 340, p. 208.8


; Per Med Lands:
     "AVOISE (-1230). "Mauritius de Credone filius Hugonis" appointed "Guido de Laval…et Havis uxor eius" as guardians of his children and his lands, in the case of the death of his wife, in his undated testament when leaving for Jerusalem, and provided for their inheritance of his lands if he died without male heirs[235]. This document suggests that Avoise must have been her parents’ oldest child, if her three brothers were all minors at the time. Her first marriage is confirmed by the Testa de Nevill which includes a writ of King John dated 1212 which records that "Mauricius de Creon" gave "Waletun…hundredum de Waletun" in Surrey to "Gwidoni de la Val cum filia sua"[236]. Dame de Craon et de Châtelais. "Guido sextus dominus de Lavalle" donated property to Plessis-Milcent by charter dated 1205, witnessed by "Haoys uxore mea…"[237]. "Guido dominus sextus de Lavalle" donated property to Olivet priory, for the soul of "Ozannæ filiæ meæ", by charter dated to [1205], witnessed by "Haoys uxore mea, Guido filius meus, Emma filia mea"[238]. "Guido sextus dominus Lavallensis" ratified a donation by "patris mei" to the canons of "castellilo Lavallensi", by charter dated 1208, witnessed by "…Emma matre mea, Hayoisia uxore mea…"[239]. "Robertus comes de Alenchon" settled the dower of "domine Haoys de Lavalle" by charter dated [19 Apr/31 Oct] 1215[240]. "Robertus comes d’Alencon et dominus Lavallis et Emma uxor eius filia Guidonis de Lavalle et hæres Lavallis" exchanged property with "Yvoni Franco et dominæ Haoys uxori suæ" by charter dated Feb 1216[241]. "Matheus de Montemorenciaco, conestabularius Franciæ et Emma, eius uxor, comitissa de Alanconio et domina Lavallensis" ratified a donation by "dominus Ivo Francus et uxor eius Advisia de Lavalle" to Bellebranche, for the salvation of "domini Guydonis de Lavalle" and for "Hugonis filii sui", by charter dated 1218[242].
     "m firstly GUY [V] Seigneur de Laval, son of GUY [IV] Seigneur de Laval & his wife Emma of Cornwall (-1210).
     "m secondly (before 1215) YVES le Franc Seigneur de Saulges, son of --- (-before 1260)."
Med Lands cites:
[235] Bodard de la Jacopière (1872), Renvoi E2, p. 596, quoting Coll. Housseau, Vol. VI, no. 2135.
[236] Testa de Nevill, Part I, p. 68.
[237] Broussillon (1893), Tome I, 284, p. 166.
[238] Broussillon (1893), Tome I, 288, p. 171.
[239] Broussillon (1893), Tome I, 298, p. 177.
[240] Broussillon (1893), Tome I, 327, p. 202.
[241] Broussillon (1893), Tome I, 333, p. 206.
[242] Broussillon (1893), Tome I, 340, p. 208.4


; Per Wikipedia:
     "Avoise de Craon (before 1178 – c.?1230) was the daughter of Maurice II de Craon and wife of Guy V de Laval.[1]
Family
     "She was the eldest of the children of Maurice II, Craon, and Isabelle de Meulan. In his testament, Maurice II bequeathed her Craon and Châtelais in the case that her three brothers predeceased her.[2]
     "In about 1198, she married Guy V de Laval. They had issue:
** Guy VI de Laval known as Guyonnet de Laval (died 1211)
** Ozanne, mentioned in a charter of Réau Abbey, cited by Charles Maucourt de Bourjolly[3]
** Emma de Laval (about 1200 - 27 April 1264) who inherited the title in 1211 on the death of her brother Guyonnet. Married Robert Ier d'Alençon (died 1217), Mathieu II de Montmorency (died 1230) and Jean de Choisy et de Toucy.
** Isabeau (Isabelle) de Laval (died 1244) who married Bouchard VI de Montmorency.

     "After the death of Guy V in 1210, Avoise remarried with Yves Le Franc in 1215. She bore him, according to Gilles Ménage, four children.
Notes and references
1. Cawley, Charles. "Maine & Vendome: Guy V de Laval". Foundation for Medieval Genealogy. Retrieved 7 February 2013.
2. The printed texts cite "Choleteis", which M. de Bodard translated as Cholet. One can see, however, in the article by Dom Chamard, pages 401-432 of volume 1 (1885) of the Revue de l'Ouest, that the lords of Cholet, at the end of the 12th-century, were not of the house of Craon.
3. de Bourjolly, Charles Maucourt. Mémoire sur les Seigneurs de Laval. I. p. 166.
See also
** House of Laval: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Laval
** Craon family: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craon_family."12

Reference: Genealogics cites: The Plantagenet Ancestry, Baltimore, 1975 , Turton, Lt.Col. W. H., Reference: 183.11 Hawise/Hav(o)ise de Craon Dame de Craon et de Chatelais was also known as Avoise de Craon Dame de Craon et de Chatelais.4,2

; Per Racines et Histoire: "Hav(o)ise + dès 1252 (1230 ?) dame de Craon, Montjean, La Brûlotte, Chéméré-Le-Roi et Chatelais (49)
     ép.1) ~1198 Gui VI, seigneur de Laval ° ~1170 + 1210 (fils de Gui V et d’Agathe)
     ép.2) dès 1215 Yves Le Franc, seigneur de Saulges (53), Chéméré et La Brûlotte + dès 08/1223.6 "

Family 1

Guy V de Laval Sire de Laval d. 1210
Children

Family 2

Yves le Franc seigneur de Saulgé d. a Aug 1223

Citations

  1. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Craon.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Avoise de Craon: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026213&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Maurice II: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00124709&tree=LEO
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/anjounob.htm#AvoiseCraondied1230MGuyVILaval. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Isabelle de Meulan: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00124710&tree=LEO
  6. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs de Craon, p. 4: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Craon.pdf
  7. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/anjounob.htm#MauriceIICraondied1196B
  8. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/mainnob.htm#GuyVLavaldied1210
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guy VI: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026212&tree=LEO
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Yves Le Franc: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164522&tree=LEO
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Avoise de Craon: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026213&tree=LEO
  12. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avoise_de_Craon. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  13. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Isabeau de Laval: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026383&tree=LEO
  14. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Morency 1 page - Montmorency family: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/morency/morency1.html
  15. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Emme de Laval: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026215&tree=LEO

Widrich I (?) Comte de Clermont1

M, #20799, d. before 1062
Last Edited29 Sep 2020
     Widrich I (?) Comte de Clermont married Hersende (?);
Her possible 2nd husband.1
Widrich I (?) Comte de Clermont died before 1062.1
     ; Per Med Lands:
     "WIDRICH [I] (-[before 1062]). [Comte] [de Clermont]. "Widricus" names "patris mei…Widrici in castello Clarimontis" by charter dated 1062[296].
     "m ---. The name of Widrich's wife is not known with certainty. However, it is possible that she was Hersende, separated wife of Hildrad [Hezelin] Comte [de Grandpré], daughter of ---, whom he would have married in [1020/25]. The line of argument for this identification is complex and depends on the correctness of several assumptions. Firstly, it is assumed, as explained below, that Giselbert Comte de Clermont was the grandson of Widrich [I]. Secondly, it is assumed that Ermengarde, wife of Gozelon Comte de Montaigu, was the paternal aunt of Giselbert Comte de Clermont, as indicated by the latter´s charter for Cluny dated 1091, quoted below, the document indicating a link with Henri [de Toul] Bishop of Liège with whom Ermengarde was closely connected as shown by other documentation quoted below[297]. Thirdly, in a charter dated 1064, "Ermentrudis de Harenzey" donated "allodium…Sumey" to Ardenne Saint-Hubert, for the soul of "mariti mei Gozolonis", with the consent of "filiis meis…Cunone comite Rodulfo Guidone Joanne Henrico et fratribus meis Hezelino comite et Rainaldo et Balduino", by charter dated 1064[298], her brothers being identified as three of the sons of Hildrad [Hezelin] Comte [de Grandpré]. Fourthly, Comte Hildrad´s wife is named in the charter dated 1020, under which "Hildradus cognomento Hescelinus comes" donated property for "Hercendis uxoris mee, Richardi quoque filii mei quem ad clericatus" to Verdun Saint-Vanne[299]. Fifthly, the Gesta Episcoporum Cameracensium records that "Gerardus episcopus…nepte" was the wife of "Hezelino", and that the couple separated after eight years of marriage[300]. Sixthly, it is assumed that this was the same wife of Comte Hildrad [Hezelin] who is named in the 1020 document (the chronology appears favourable) and that she was the mother not only of Hildrad´s son Richard (named in the 1020 document) but also of his three sons who are named in the 1064 document. "Hildradus cognomento Hescelinus comes" donated property "Bolruuel" for "Hercendis uxoris mee, Richardi quoque filii mei quem ad clericatus" to Verdun Saint-Vanne by charter dated 1020, subscribed by "Albrici nepotis mei"[301]. It is conceded that the argument is shaky and could fail if any one of these assumptions was incorrect. Nevertheless, it is a sufficiently interesting possibility to include in the present document. The precise parentage of Hersende is unknown. However, as noted above, her possible relationship to Gérard Bishop of Cambrai, who was the son of Arnaud Seigneur de Florennes, is indicated by the Gesta Episcoporum Cameracensium which records that "Gerardus episcopus…nepte" was the wife of "Hezelino". Gérard was elected bishop in 1010 but it is unlikely that he was born much earlier than 990, bearing in mind that his mother was the daughter of Godefroi Comte de Verdun whose marriage is dated to [963]. It is therefore probable that "nepte" in Gesta should be translated as a more remote family relationship than "niece": any children of Gerard's brothers and sisters could not have been born earlier than 1005, whereas Hildrad's son Richard (presumably born from his marriage with the bishop's niece) was assigned to be a cleric at Verdun Saint-Vanne in 1020. It is possible that the bishop's relationship with Hersende was through his mother's family, the comtes de Verdun. "
Med Lands cites:
[296] Vanderkindere (1902), Vol. II, p. 221, quoting "Analectes XVI, 9".
[297] Bernard, A. and Bruel, A. (eds.) (1876-1903) Recueil des chartes de l'abbaye de Cluny (Paris), Tome V, 3659, p. 5.
[298] Ardenne Saint-Hubert, Tome I, XVIII, p. 19.
[299] Verdun Saint-Vanne (1898), XXVII, p. 427.
[300] Gesta Episcoporum Cameracensium III, 33, MGH SS VII, p. 479.
[301] Verdun Saint-Vanne (1898), XXVII, p. 427.1

Family

Hersende (?)

Citations

  1. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(LOWER)%20NOBILITY.htm#WidrichMHersende. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Denise de Mortain1,2,3

F, #20801
FatherRobert de Mortain Count of Mortain, Earl of Cornwall1,4,3 b. 1031, d. 8 Dec 1090
MotherMaud de Montgomery Countess of Mortain1,4,3 b. c 1049, d. 21 Sep 1082
Last Edited27 Sep 2020
     Denise de Mortain married Guy II "le Chauve" de Laval Sire de Laval, son of Hamon de Laval Seigneur de Laval and Hersende (?), in 1085;
His 2nd wife.3
     ; Per Med Lands:
     "DENISE de Mortain ([1065/70]-1090). Robert of Torigny names "unum filium Guillermum et tres filias" as the children of "Robertus comes Moritonii uterinus frater Willermi regis", specifying that one unnamed daughter (mentioned second) married "Guido de Laval"[57]. A charter dated to [1085] records that "Guy II fils de Hamon" withdrew claims against Ronceray relating to property donated by his father by charter dated to [1085] which names "Denise son épouse" and is witnessed by "Hugues, frère de Guy II"[58]. A charter dated to [1080/90] records that "Guidone de Valle" sold "boscum…Monduluet" to "domnus Rivallonus monachus" at Marmoutier, with the consent of "Hugo frater eius…et Dionisia uxor eius"[59]. "Guido de Lavalle" donated the priory of Parné to the church of Saint-Nicholas d'Angers "pro salute sua et uxoris sue Dionisie" by charter dated [1080/90][60]. A charter dated 1090 records that "Guido junior" succeeded "in paternum…honorem" on the death of "Haimonis senioris de Valle Guidonis" and that when, after some time, "supradicti domni Guidonis conjugem" died, he granted further rights to Marmoutier when she was buried "juxta patrem suum Haimonem"[61].
     "m [as his second wife,] GUY [II] Seigneur de Laval, son of HAMON Seigneur de Laval & his wife Hersende --- (before [1037/38]-after 1105, bur Marmoutier)."
Med Lands cites:
[57] Robert de Torigny, Tome I, 1159, p. 319.
[58] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 63, p. 63, extract only, citing Cartulaire du Ronceray CCCLXIII.
[59] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 64, p. 63.
[60] Château-du-Loir 51, p. 27.
[61] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 67, p. 65.3

; Per Med Lands:
     "GUY [II] de Laval, son of HAMON Seigneur de Laval & his wife Hersende --- (before [1037/38]-after 1105, bur Marmoutier). "Wido" relinquished rights to the chapter of Le Mans, before leaving for Jerusalem, with the consent of "Haimo, supra scripti Guidonis filius et uxor eius Hersendis filiique eorum Guido…et Hugo", by charter dated 11 Nov 1039[234]. The date of this charter is open to doubt. The brothers Guy [II] and Hugues are recorded well into the 12th century and two of the known children of Guy [II] must have been born in the last decade of the 11th century. If the date of the charter is correct, both Guy [II] and Hugues would have been unusually old when they died. "Hamon de Laval" donated property to Ronceray, at the request of "ses sœurs Agnès et Hildelinde", for the souls of "Guy son père et de Berthe sa mère", with the approval of "Guy son fils et de Hersende son épouse", by charter dated to [1075][235]. He succeeded his father as Seigneur de Laval. An undated charter records that "Guido de Lavalle" succeeded to "honore patris sui Hamonis post mortem eius" and confirmed his father’s donations to the monastery of La Charité Sainte-Marie d’Anjou, with the consent of "uxor…Dionisia…Hugone fratre predicti Guidonis…"[236]. "Guy II et sa mère Hersende" assented to the donation of property to Ronceray by "Foulques du Bignon", by charter dated to [1085][237]. A charter dated to [1080/90] records that "Guidone de Valle" sold "boscum…Monduluet" to "domnus Rivallonus monachus" at Marmoutier, with the consent of "Hugo frater eius…et Dionisia uxor eius"[238]. A charter dated 1090 records that "Guido junior" succeeded "in paternum…honorem" on the death of "Haimonis senioris de Valle Guidonis" and that when, after some time, "supradicti domni Guidonis conjugem" died, he granted further rights to Marmoutier when she was buried "juxta patrem suum Haimonem"[239]. A charter dated [10/16] Mar 1095 recalls donations to Montmajour by "Hamo dominus Latævallis" amd that "filius eius Guido, succedens patri suo in honorem" refused to ratify these donations until Pope Urban II arrived "ad concilium Turonense"[240]. Pope Urban is recorded in Tours in early Mar 1096 (N.S.) from where he addressed letters dated 4, 14, 20, 21 and 24 Mar 1096[241]. An undated charter records the lifting of the sentence of excommunication against "Guy fils de Hamon", imposed for the fire of the church of Gennes, in the presence among others of Renaud Bishop of Angers [appointed in 1102][242]. A charter dated to 1 Dec [1104/1111] records that "Guy de Laval et Hugues son frère" arbitered an agreement between the abbess of Ronceray and "Guérin de Saint-Berthvin"[243]. "Mauricius dominus castelli…Credonum" was condemned to repair the damage he caused to La Trinité de Vendôme "uxor eius domna Mathildis", by charter dated 1105, which names "Goffridus…Vindocinensis abbas…consanguineus Mauricii", and is signed by "Mauricius dominus Credonis, Robertus frater eius…Guido de Lavalle…"[244]. "Guido…et Cecilia uxor eius…et filius eorum Guido…Gervasiusque alius filius" donated property to the monastery of La Charité Sainte-Marie d’Anjou, with the approval of "Hugo de Lavalle", by undated charter witnessed by "…Adelardus de Castro Gunterii, Hugo de Cretone, Hugo de Mathefelone…"[245]. Assuming that the hypothesis concerning Guy [II]’s supposed daughter, wife of Raoul [VII] Vicomte du Maine, is correct as shown below, it is probable that Guy [II] died before her marriage. The marriage is recorded as having taken place in 1095 and the bride described as "sororem Widonis de Valle", suggesting that her father was deceased at the time. However, the charter itself is undated and it is not clear from the text how much time may have passed between the marriage and the date the charter was written. It is possible, therefore, that her father was alive when she married, but died soon afterwards.
     "[m firstly ---. No direct evidence has been found of this supposed first marriage of Guy [II]. However, Guy’s estimated birth date suggests that it is unlikely that Denise de Mortain, whose birth is most likely dated to [1065/70] considering the general chronology of her family, was his first wife.]
     "m [secondly] ([1085]) DENISE de Mortain, daughter of ROBERT Comte de Mortain & his first wife Mathilde de Montgommery ([1065/70]-1090, bur Marmoutier). Robert of Torigny names "unum filium Guillermum et tres filias" as the children of "Robertus comes Moritonii uterinus frater Willermi regis", specifying that one unnamed daughter (mentioned second) married "Guido de Laval"[246]. An undated charter records that "Guido de Lavalle" succeeded to "honore patris sui Hamonis post mortem eius" and confirmed his father’s donations to the monastery of La Charité Sainte-Marie d’Anjou, with the consent of "uxor…Dionisia…Hugone fratre predicti Guidonis…"[247]. A charter dated to [1080/90] records that "Guidone de Valle" sold "boscum…Monduluet" to "domnus Rivallonus monachus" at Marmoutier, with the consent of "Hugo frater eius…et Dionisia uxor eius"[248]. "Guido de Lavalle" donated the priory of Parné to the church of Saint-Nicholas d'Angers "pro salute sua et uxoris sue Dionisie" by charter dated [1080/90][249]. A charter dated 1090 records that "Guido junior" succeeded "in paternum…honorem" on the death of "Haimonis senioris de Valle Guidonis" and that when, after some time, "supradicti domni Guidonis conjugem" died, he granted further rights to Marmoutier when she was buried "juxta patrem suum Haimonem"[250].
     "m [thirdly] (after 1090) CECILE, daughter of ---. A charter dated to [1093/1110] records that "Guido filius Hamonis…et eius uxor Sicilia, filiusque eius…Guido" donated property to Marmoutier when "fratrem suum Hugonem" appeared to be dying, and a later donation by "Guido filius eius et Secilia uxor illius et Hugo frater illius"[251]. "Guido…et Cecilia uxor eius…et filius eorum Guido…Gervasiusque alius filius" donated property to the monastery of La Charité Sainte-Marie d’Anjou, with the approval of "Hugo de Lavalle", by undated charter witnessed by "…Adelardus de Castro Gunterii, Hugo de Cretone, Hugo de Mathefelone…"[252]. "Cécile épouse de Guy" witnessed the charter dated to [1093/1110] under which the nuns of Ronceray recorded a donation and the judgment of "Guy" which enabled them to retain possession[253]."
Med Lands cites:
[234] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 8, p. 21.
[235] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 52, p. 50, extract only, citing Cartulaire du Ronceray CCCLXII.
[236] Anjou Charité, CCCLXIII, p. 221.
[237] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 62, p. 63, extract only, citing Cartulaire du Ronceray CCCCII.
[238] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 64, p. 63.
[239] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 67, p. 65.
[240] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 75, p. 69.
[241] Patrologia Latina, Vol. 151, Beati Urbani II Pontificis Romani epistolæ et privilegia, CLXXVI-CLXXXII, 0449A-0456A.
[242] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 91, p. 74, extract only, citing Arch. du Maine-et-Loire, and Marchegay Reconstitution du Cartulaire de Saint-Nicolas.
[243] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 93, p. 74, extract only, citing Cartulaire du Ronceray CCCLXVIII.
[244] Vendôme La Trinité, Tome II, CCCCXII, p. 171.
[245] Anjou Charité, CCCLXXXI, p. 232.
[246] Robert de Torigny Tome I, 1159, p. 319.
[247] Anjou Charité, CCCLXIII, p. 221.
[248] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 64, p. 63.
[249] Château-du-Loir 51, p. 27.
[250] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 67, p. 65.
[251] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 85, p. 72.
[252] Anjou Charité, CCCLXXXI, p. 232.
[253] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 84, p. 71, extract only, citing Cartulaire du Ronceray CCCLXXX.5

Citations

  1. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32161
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Denise de Mortain: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026362&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/normabc.htm#dauRobertMortainMGuyLaval. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's "Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages" (Gen. Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1985 reprint of 1883 edition), Burgh - Earl of Kent, pp. 88-89. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.
  5. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/mainnob.htm#GuyIILaval

Guy IV de Laval Sire de Laval1,2,3

M, #20802, d. between 23 December 1180 and 1185
FatherGuy III de Laval Sire de Laval4,1,2 d. bt 1130 - 1142
MotherEmma (?)2 d. a 1162
Last Edited8 Nov 2020
     Guy IV de Laval Sire de Laval married Agathe (?);
His 1st wife (per Genealogics).5,6,7 Guy IV de Laval Sire de Laval married Emma de Dunstanville, daughter of Reynold/Rainald "de Dunstanville" (?) Earl of Cornwall and Beatrice/Mabel Fitz William.1,8,2,9
Guy IV de Laval Sire de Laval died between 23 December 1180 and 1185.1,2
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XIV 135.1

Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. Burke's Guide to the Royal Family London, 1973 , Reference: 194.
2. The Plantagenet Ancestry Baltimore, 1975. , Lt.Col. W. H. Turton, Reference: 183.
3. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XIV 135.10


; This is the same person as ”Guy IV de Laval” at Wikipédia (FR).3

; Per Med Lands:
     "EMMA of Cornwall (-1208 or after, bur Abbaye de Clermont). "Guido Lavallensis dominus" relinquished the parish of la Gravelle to Marmoutier, with the advice of "fratris mei Hamonis, et uxoris mee Agathe et filiorum meorum Guidonis atque Sicilie", by charter dated to [1142/85][196]. "Agathe" in this document is an error for "Emma", as shown by the charter dated 1208 under which "Guido sextus dominus Lavallensis" ratified a donation by "patris mei" to the canons of "castellilo Lavallensi", witnessed by "…Emma matre mea, Hayoisia uxore mea…"[197]. "…Emme uxoris mee" consented to the donation by "Guido de Lavalle" to Sainte-Trinité de Fougères by charter dated 1180[198]. The primary source which confirms her parentage has not been identified.
     "m GUY [V] Seigneur de Laval, son of GUY [IV] Seigneur de Laval & his wife Emma --- (-[18 Dec 1180/1185], bur Abbaye de Clermont)."
Med Lands cites:
[196] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 149, p. 110.
[197] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 298, p. 177.
[198] Fougères Sainte-Trinité, XVII, p. 237.9

; NB: Genealogics seems to differ from Med Lands and Wikipédia (FR) regarding the series Seigneurs de Laval, named Guy. In particular, this results in an overlap of the Guy II, III an IV in birth and death dates and wifes.
I. Genealogics shows:
1 Guy II 'le Chauve', Sire de Laval [1] b. Est 1040 d. 1095 m. NN d. Bef 1090
-->2 Guy III, Sire de Laval d. Abt 1110,
m1. Denise de Mortain d. 1090
m2. Cécilie NN
-->3 (by m2) Guy IV, Sire de Laval d. Abt 1130/1142 m. Emma NN
-->4 Guy V, Sire de Laval d. 1170 m. Agathe


II. Med Lands shows:
1 Guy II 'le Chauve', Sire de Laval [1] b. bef 1037/38 d. aft 1105
m1. NN
m2. 1085 Denis de Mortrain b. 1065/70 d. 1090
m3. aft 1090 Cecile NN
-->2 (by 3) Guy III, Sire de Laval d. d. 1130/42, m. Emma d. aft 1153/62
-->3 Guy IV, Sire de Laval d. 23 Dec 1180/85 m. Emma of Corwall (de Dunstanville)
-->4 Guy V, Sire de Laval d. 1210 m. Avoise de Craon


III. Wikipédia (FR) shows:
1 Guy II 'le Chauve', Sire de Laval [1] b. d. aft 1105
m1. NN
m2. Denis de Mortrain b. 1065/70 d. 1090
m3. Cecile NN
-->2 (by ??) Guy III, Sire de Laval d. d. 1130/42, m. Emma (possible daughter of Henry I of England
-->3 Guy IV, Sire de Laval d. 1180/85
m1. Agathe NN
m2. Emma de Dunstanville
-->4 (by m2) Guy V, Sire de Laval d. 1210 m. Avoise de Craon d. 1230


Conclusion: Med Lands and Wikipédia (FR) are reasonably consistent, but Genealogics seems to inserted an extra Guy and rearranged the wives. I have chosen to follow the lineage as laid out by Med Lands and Wikipédia (FR). GA Vaut.11,12,2,13,14,15,3,16,17

Family 1

Emma de Dunstanville d. 1208

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guy IV: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00208555&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/mainnob.htm#GuyIVLavaldied1130. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  3. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Guy IV de Laval: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_IV_de_Laval. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guy III: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026365&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Agathe: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00208552&tree=LEO
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guy V: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00206210&tree=LEO
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guy IV: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00208555&tree=LEO
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Emma: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00208556&tree=LEO
  9. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL1.htm#EmmaCornwallMGuyVLaval
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guy V: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026210&tree=LEO
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, https://www.genealogics.org/descendtext.php?personID=I00026361&tree=LEO&display=block&generations=5
  12. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/mainnob.htm#GuyIILaval
  13. [S4742] Wikipédia (FR), online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Maison de Laval: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maison_de_Laval
  14. [S4742] Wikipédia (FR), online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Guy II de Laval: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_II_de_Laval
  15. [S4742] Wikipédia (FR), online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Guy III de Laval: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_III_de_Laval
  16. [S4742] Wikipédia (FR), online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Guy V de Laval: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_V_de_Laval
  17. [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 27 Sep 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."
  18. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/mainnob.htm#GuyVLavaldied1210
  19. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guy VI: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026212&tree=LEO
  20. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Thouars 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/thouars2.html
  21. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sibylle (Cécile) de Laval: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00208545&tree=LEO

Emma de Dunstanville1,2

F, #20803, d. 1208
FatherReynold/Rainald "de Dunstanville" (?) Earl of Cornwall b. c 1110, d. 1 Jul 1175; Ashley, p. 511: "paternity uncertain"; Richardson says, "Emme de Laval is specifically identified in a charter to Evron Abbey as "daughter of Reynold, Earl of Cornwall" which Reynold was an illegitimate son of Henry I, King of England [see Abbé A. Angot, Généalogies Féodales Mayennaises du XI au XIII Siècle (1942), pp. 292-295; NEHGR 119 (1965): 94-102; 120 (1966): 230]."3,4,5,6
MotherBeatrice/Mabel Fitz William6 d. 1162
Last Edited3 Oct 2020
     Emma de Dunstanville married Guy IV de Laval Sire de Laval, son of Guy III de Laval Sire de Laval and Emma (?).7,1,2,6
Emma de Dunstanville died in 1208.6
     ; Notes on Emma's paternity:
1. Ashley shows her as an illegitimate dau. of Henry I, but says that her paternity is uncertain.
2. Phillips says: "Emma, wife of Guy de Laval [can't see this discussed in the text, but Keats-Rohan, "Domesday Descendants", p. 543, gives the same. However, there is evidence that an Emma, daughter of Reynald, Earl of Cornwall, married a Guy de Laval in the next generation - could Emma, wife of Guy de Laval, really be a granddaughter of Henry?]"
3. Richardson says: "I would immediately remove Emme, wife of Guy de Laval. Emme de Laval is specifically identified in a charter to Evron Abbey as "daughter of Reynold, Earl of Cornwall" which Reynold was an illegitimate son of Henry I, King of England [see Abbé A. Angot, Généalogies Féodales Mayennaises du XI au XIII Siècle (1942), pp. 292-295; NEHGR 119 (1965): 94-102; 120 (1966): 230]."3,8,4

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XIV 135.1 Emma de Dunstanville was also known as Emma de Cornwall.6

; Per Med Lands:
     "EMMA of Cornwall (-1208 or after, bur Abbaye de Clermont). "Guido Lavallensis dominus" relinquished the parish of la Gravelle to Marmoutier, with the advice of "fratris mei Hamonis, et uxoris mee Agathe et filiorum meorum Guidonis atque Sicilie", by charter dated to [1142/85][196]. "Agathe" in this document is an error for "Emma", as shown by the charter dated 1208 under which "Guido sextus dominus Lavallensis" ratified a donation by "patris mei" to the canons of "castellilo Lavallensi", witnessed by "…Emma matre mea, Hayoisia uxore mea…"[197]. "…Emme uxoris mee" consented to the donation by "Guido de Lavalle" to Sainte-Trinité de Fougères by charter dated 1180[198]. The primary source which confirms her parentage has not been identified.
     "m GUY [V] Seigneur de Laval, son of GUY [IV] Seigneur de Laval & his wife Emma --- (-[18 Dec 1180/1185], bur Abbaye de Clermont)."
Med Lands cites:
[196] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 149, p. 110.
[197] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 298, p. 177.
[198] Fougères Sainte-Trinité, XVII, p. 237.6

Family

Guy IV de Laval Sire de Laval d. bt 23 Dec 1180 - 1185

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Emma: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00208556&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/mainnob.htm#GuyIVLavaldied1130. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  3. [S1361] Mike Ashley, The Mammoth Book of British Kings & Queens (New York: Carroll & Graf Publishers, Inc., 1998), p. 511 (Chart 37). Hereinafter cited as Ashley (1998) - British Kings.
  4. [S1515] Douglas Richardson, "Richardson 15 Nov email "Re: Bastards of Henry I"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/RkKZnaKJH3k/m/uC7N0kFlCwAJ) to e-mail address, 15 Nov 2003. Hereinafter cited as "Richardson email 15 Nov 2003."
  5. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Normandy page - Normandy Family: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/normandy/normandy.html
  6. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL1.htm#EmmaCornwallMGuyVLaval
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guy IV: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00208555&tree=LEO
  8. [S1513] Chris Phillips, "Phillips email "Bastards of Henry I"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/RkKZnaKJH3k/m/uC7N0kFlCwAJ) to e-mail address, 14 November 2003. Hereinafter cited as "Phillips email 14 November 2003."

Guy III de Laval Sire de Laval1,2,3

M, #20804, d. between 1130 and 1142
FatherGuy II "le Chauve" de Laval Sire de Laval4,1,5 b. c 1040, d. 1095
MotherCecile/Sicilia (?)3
Last Edited8 Nov 2020
     Guy III de Laval Sire de Laval married Emma (?) between 1118 and 1123.3
Guy III de Laval Sire de Laval died between 1130 and 1142.6,3
     ; This is the same person as ”Guy III de Laval” at Wikipédia (FR).2
; NB: Genealogics seems to differ from Med Lands and Wikipédia (FR) regarding the series Seigneurs de Laval, named Guy. In particular, this results in an overlap of the Guy II, III an IV in birth and death dates and wifes.
I. Genealogics shows:
1 Guy II 'le Chauve', Sire de Laval [1] b. Est 1040 d. 1095 m. NN d. Bef 1090
-->2 Guy III, Sire de Laval d. Abt 1110,
m1. Denise de Mortain d. 1090
m2. Cécilie NN
-->3 (by m2) Guy IV, Sire de Laval d. Abt 1130/1142 m. Emma NN
-->4 Guy V, Sire de Laval d. 1170 m. Agathe


II. Med Lands shows:
1 Guy II 'le Chauve', Sire de Laval [1] b. bef 1037/38 d. aft 1105
m1. NN
m2. 1085 Denis de Mortrain b. 1065/70 d. 1090
m3. aft 1090 Cecile NN
-->2 (by 3) Guy III, Sire de Laval d. d. 1130/42, m. Emma d. aft 1153/62
-->3 Guy IV, Sire de Laval d. 23 Dec 1180/85 m. Emma of Corwall (de Dunstanville)
-->4 Guy V, Sire de Laval d. 1210 m. Avoise de Craon


III. Wikipédia (FR) shows:
1 Guy II 'le Chauve', Sire de Laval [1] b. d. aft 1105
m1. NN
m2. Denis de Mortrain b. 1065/70 d. 1090
m3. Cecile NN
-->2 (by ??) Guy III, Sire de Laval d. d. 1130/42, m. Emma (possible daughter of Henry I of England
-->3 Guy IV, Sire de Laval d. 1180/85
m1. Agathe NN
m2. Emma de Dunstanville
-->4 (by m2) Guy V, Sire de Laval d. 1210 m. Avoise de Craon d. 1230


Conclusion: Med Lands and Wikipédia (FR) are reasonably consistent, but Genealogics seems to inserted an extra Guy and rearranged the wives. I have chosen to follow the lineage as laid out by Med Lands and Wikipédia (FR). GA Vaut.7,5,3,8,9,2,10,11,12

Family

Emma (?) d. a 1162
Child

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guy III: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026365&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Guy III de Laval: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_III_de_Laval. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/mainnob.htm#GuyIVLavaldied1130. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guy II "le Chauve": http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026361&tree=LEO
  5. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/mainnob.htm#GuyIILaval
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guy IV: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00208555&tree=LEO
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, https://www.genealogics.org/descendtext.php?personID=I00026361&tree=LEO&display=block&generations=5
  8. [S4742] Wikipédia (FR), online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Maison de Laval: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maison_de_Laval
  9. [S4742] Wikipédia (FR), online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Guy II de Laval: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_II_de_Laval
  10. [S4742] Wikipédia (FR), online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Guy IV de Laval: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_IV_de_Laval
  11. [S4742] Wikipédia (FR), online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Guy V de Laval: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_V_de_Laval
  12. [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 27 Sep 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."
  13. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guy IV: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00208555&tree=LEO

Hamon de Laval Seigneur de Laval1,2,3

M, #20805, b. circa 1015, d. between 1079 and 1090
FatherGuy I de Laval Sire de Laval4,5,2,3 b. c 990, d. 1067
MotherBerthe de Tosny6,5,2,3
ReferenceGAV24
Last Edited1 Oct 2020
     Hamon de Laval Seigneur de Laval was born circa 1015.2 He married Hersende (?) before 1035; Med Lands says m. bef 1035.7,2,3,8
Hamon de Laval Seigneur de Laval died between 1079 and 1090; Gnealogics says d. 1079/90; Med Lands says d. 1076/85.2,3
     GAV-24.

; Per Genealogics:
     “Hamon was the son of Guy I, sire de Laval, and Berthe de Tosny. About 1035 he married Hersende, by whom he had two sons of whom Guy II would have progeny.
     “Hamon served in England under William the Conqueror. His service to William was rewarded with land in England which his descendants retained until the reign of King John.
     “Hamon died between 1079 and 1090, probably about 1080, and was buried at the abbey of Marmoutier, according to one of the cartularies of the abbey.”.2

; This is the same person as ”Hamon de Laval” at Wikipédia (FR).9

Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. The Plantagenet Ancestry Baltimore, 1975. , Lt.Col. W. H. Turton, Reference: 183.
2. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XIV 135.2


; Per Med Lands: SEIGNEURS de LAVAL
     "HAMON de Laval (-[1076/85], bur Marmoutier). "Wido" relinquished rights to the chapter of Le Mans, before leaving for Jerusalem, with the consent of "Haimo, supra scripti Guidonis filius et uxor eius Hersendis filiique eorum Guido…et Hugo", by charter dated 11 Nov 1039[186]. "…Guidonis de Valle filiorumque suorum Johannis et Hamonis" consented to a donation by "Fulcodius" to Marmoutier by charter dated to [1040][187]. Seigneur de Laval. The monks of Marmoutier record a donation by "Guido, castri quod Vallis nuncupatur, in pago Cynnomennensi conditor atque possessor", at the request of "Johannis filii sui monachi nostri", with the consent of "Haimone atque Guidone filiis suis…Gervasium…tres his…sorores Hildesindem, Agnetem, Hildeburgem", by charter dated to [1050][188]. "Hamo de La Valle Guidonis" donated property to the monastery of La Charité Sainte-Marie d’Anjou, at the request of "suarum sororum Agnetis et Odeline", with the consent of "uxore…sua Hersende", by undated charter[189]. The monks of Marmoutier record a donation by "Guido, castri…Vallis…in pago Cenomannensi conditorem ac possessorem", with the consent of "suorumque filiorum…Haimonis…Gervasii atque Guidonis, simulque Agnetis", by charter dated to [1050], witnessed by "…Rotrudis uxor predicti Widonis, Gualterius filius eius…"[190]. The monks of Marmoutier record the division of Laval fair and market profits with "Guido de Valle", with the consent of "filii eius Hamon, Hildelinda, Agnes, Hildeburgis et Guido et Gervasius" by charter dated to [1050], witnessed by "…Rotrudis supradicti Guidonis uxor, Gualterius filius eius…"[191]. "…Haimo de Lavalle…" witnessed the charter dated 26 Feb 1062 which records an agreement of confraternity between Saint-Maurice d’Angers and La Trinité de Vendôme[192]. "…Hamo de Valle filius Guidonis…" witnessed the charter dated 1064 under which Guillaume II Duke of Normandy settled a claim in favour of the monks of Marmoutier relating to property donated by "Guido de Valle"[193]. "Hamon de Laval" donated property to Ronceray, at the request of "ses sœurs Agnès et Hildelinde", for the souls of "Guy son père et de Berthe sa mère", with the approval of "Guy son fils et de Hersende son épouse", by charter dated to [1075][194].
     "m (before [1035]) HERSENDE, daughter of --- (-before Mar 1095). "Wido" relinquished rights to the chapter of Le Mans, before leaving for Jerusalem, with the consent of "Haimo, supra scripti Guidonis filius et uxor eius Hersendis filiique eorum Guido…et Hugo", by charter dated 11 Nov 1039[195]. "Hamo de La Valle Guidonis" donated property to the monastery of La Charité Sainte-Marie d’Anjou, at the request of "suarum sororum Agnetis et Odeline", with the consent of "uxore…sua Hersende", by undated charter[196]. "Hamon de Laval" donated property to Ronceray, at the request of "ses sœurs Agnès et Hildelinde", for the souls of "Guy son père et de Berthe sa mère", with the approval of "Guy son fils et de Hersende son épouse", by charter dated to [1075][197]. "Guy II et sa mère Hersende" assented to the donation of property to Ronceray by "Foulques du Bignon", by charter dated to [1085][198]. His place of burial is confirmed by the charter dated 1090 which records that "Guido junior" succeeded "in paternum…honorem" on the death of "Haimonis senioris de Valle Guidonis" and that when, after some time, "supradicti domni Guidonis conjugem" died, he granted further rights to Marmoutier when she was buried "juxta patrem suum Haimonem"[199]."
Med Lands cites:
[186] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 8, p. 21.
[187] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 9, p. 23.
[188] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 16, p. 25.
[189] Anjou Charité, CCCLXII, p. 221.
[190] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 17, p. 29, and Château-du-Loir 18, p. 7.
[191] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 18, p. 31.
[192] Vendôme La Trinité, Tome I, CLIX, p. 276.
[193] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 28, p. 39.
[194] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 52, p. 50, extract only, citing Cartulaire du Ronceray CCCLXII.
[195] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 8, p. 21.
[196] Anjou Charité, CCCLXII, p. 221.
[197] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 52, p. 50, extract only, citing Cartulaire du Ronceray CCCLXII.
[198] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 62, p. 63, extract only, citing Cartulaire du Ronceray CCCCII.
[199] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 67, p. 65.3

Family

Hersende (?) d. b Mar 1095
Children

Citations

  1. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32162
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hamon: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026359&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/mainnob.htm#GuyILavaldied1040. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guy I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026356&tree=LEO
  5. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/mainnob.htm#_Toc4742615
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Berthe de Champagne: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026357&tree=LEO
  7. [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32163
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hersende: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026360&tree=LEO
  9. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Hamon de Laval: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamon_de_Laval. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guy II "le Chauve": https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026361&tree=LEO
  11. [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I1342

Hersende (?)1,2

F, #20806, d. before March 1095
ReferenceGAV24
Last Edited1 Oct 2020
     Hersende (?) married Hamon de Laval Seigneur de Laval, son of Guy I de Laval Sire de Laval and Berthe de Tosny, before 1035; Med Lands says m. bef 1035.1,3,4,2
Hersende (?) died before March 1095.2
     ; Per Med Lands: SEIGNEURS de LAVAL
     "HAMON de Laval (-[1076/85], bur Marmoutier). "Wido" relinquished rights to the chapter of Le Mans, before leaving for Jerusalem, with the consent of "Haimo, supra scripti Guidonis filius et uxor eius Hersendis filiique eorum Guido…et Hugo", by charter dated 11 Nov 1039[186]. "…Guidonis de Valle filiorumque suorum Johannis et Hamonis" consented to a donation by "Fulcodius" to Marmoutier by charter dated to [1040][187]. Seigneur de Laval. The monks of Marmoutier record a donation by "Guido, castri quod Vallis nuncupatur, in pago Cynnomennensi conditor atque possessor", at the request of "Johannis filii sui monachi nostri", with the consent of "Haimone atque Guidone filiis suis…Gervasium…tres his…sorores Hildesindem, Agnetem, Hildeburgem", by charter dated to [1050][188]. "Hamo de La Valle Guidonis" donated property to the monastery of La Charité Sainte-Marie d’Anjou, at the request of "suarum sororum Agnetis et Odeline", with the consent of "uxore…sua Hersende", by undated charter[189]. The monks of Marmoutier record a donation by "Guido, castri…Vallis…in pago Cenomannensi conditorem ac possessorem", with the consent of "suorumque filiorum…Haimonis…Gervasii atque Guidonis, simulque Agnetis", by charter dated to [1050], witnessed by "…Rotrudis uxor predicti Widonis, Gualterius filius eius…"[190]. The monks of Marmoutier record the division of Laval fair and market profits with "Guido de Valle", with the consent of "filii eius Hamon, Hildelinda, Agnes, Hildeburgis et Guido et Gervasius" by charter dated to [1050], witnessed by "…Rotrudis supradicti Guidonis uxor, Gualterius filius eius…"[191]. "…Haimo de Lavalle…" witnessed the charter dated 26 Feb 1062 which records an agreement of confraternity between Saint-Maurice d’Angers and La Trinité de Vendôme[192]. "…Hamo de Valle filius Guidonis…" witnessed the charter dated 1064 under which Guillaume II Duke of Normandy settled a claim in favour of the monks of Marmoutier relating to property donated by "Guido de Valle"[193]. "Hamon de Laval" donated property to Ronceray, at the request of "ses sœurs Agnès et Hildelinde", for the souls of "Guy son père et de Berthe sa mère", with the approval of "Guy son fils et de Hersende son épouse", by charter dated to [1075][194].
     "m (before [1035]) HERSENDE, daughter of --- (-before Mar 1095). "Wido" relinquished rights to the chapter of Le Mans, before leaving for Jerusalem, with the consent of "Haimo, supra scripti Guidonis filius et uxor eius Hersendis filiique eorum Guido…et Hugo", by charter dated 11 Nov 1039[195]. "Hamo de La Valle Guidonis" donated property to the monastery of La Charité Sainte-Marie d’Anjou, at the request of "suarum sororum Agnetis et Odeline", with the consent of "uxore…sua Hersende", by undated charter[196]. "Hamon de Laval" donated property to Ronceray, at the request of "ses sœurs Agnès et Hildelinde", for the souls of "Guy son père et de Berthe sa mère", with the approval of "Guy son fils et de Hersende son épouse", by charter dated to [1075][197]. "Guy II et sa mère Hersende" assented to the donation of property to Ronceray by "Foulques du Bignon", by charter dated to [1085][198]. His place of burial is confirmed by the charter dated 1090 which records that "Guido junior" succeeded "in paternum…honorem" on the death of "Haimonis senioris de Valle Guidonis" and that when, after some time, "supradicti domni Guidonis conjugem" died, he granted further rights to Marmoutier when she was buried "juxta patrem suum Haimonem"[199]."
Med Lands cites:
[186] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 8, p. 21.
[187] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 9, p. 23.
[188] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 16, p. 25.
[189] Anjou Charité, CCCLXII, p. 221.
[190] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 17, p. 29, and Château-du-Loir 18, p. 7.
[191] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 18, p. 31.
[192] Vendôme La Trinité, Tome I, CLIX, p. 276.
[193] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 28, p. 39.
[194] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 52, p. 50, extract only, citing Cartulaire du Ronceray CCCLXII.
[195] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 8, p. 21.
[196] Anjou Charité, CCCLXII, p. 221.
[197] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 52, p. 50, extract only, citing Cartulaire du Ronceray CCCLXII.
[198] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 62, p. 63, extract only, citing Cartulaire du Ronceray CCCCII.
[199] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 67, p. 65.4
GAV-24.

Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. The Plantagenet Ancestry Baltimore, 1975. , Lt.Col. W. H. Turton, Reference: 183.
2. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XIV 135.2

Family

Hamon de Laval Seigneur de Laval b. c 1015, d. bt 1079 - 1090
Children

Citations

  1. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32163
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hersende: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026360&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hamon: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026359&tree=LEO
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/mainnob.htm#GuyILavaldied1040. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guy II "le Chauve": https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026361&tree=LEO
  6. [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I1342

Adenor(?) (?) de Laval1

F, #20807, b. circa 1070
FatherHamon de Laval Seigneur de Laval2 b. c 1015, d. bt 1079 - 1090
MotherHersende (?)2 d. b Mar 1095
ReferenceGAV23 EDV25
Last Edited20 Dec 2020
     Adenor(?) (?) de Laval was born circa 1070.2 She married Raoul/Ralph VII de Beaumont Vcte de Beaumont, de Fresnay et de Sainte-Suzanne, son of Hubert de Beaumont Vicomte du Maine et de Beaumont and Ermengarde de Nevers, before 24 May 1095.3
     GAV-23 EDV-25.

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Beaumont 4 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/beaumont/beaumont4.html
  2. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I1342
  3. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Beaumont 4 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/beaumont/beaumont4.html
  4. [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I10585
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Roscelin: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139652&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  6. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/MAINE.htm#Roscelindied1176. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Raoul/Ralph VII de Beaumont Vcte de Beaumont, de Fresnay et de Sainte-Suzanne1

M, #20808, b. circa 1070, d. between 1120 and 1125
FatherHubert de Beaumont Vicomte du Maine et de Beaumont2,1 b. c 1047, d. b 1095
MotherErmengarde de Nevers3,1 b. a 1045
ReferenceGAV23 EDV25
Last Edited20 Dec 2020
     Raoul/Ralph VII de Beaumont Vcte de Beaumont, de Fresnay et de Sainte-Suzanne was born circa 1070.4 He married Adenor(?) (?) de Laval, daughter of Hamon de Laval Seigneur de Laval and Hersende (?), before 24 May 1095.5
Raoul/Ralph VII de Beaumont Vcte de Beaumont, de Fresnay et de Sainte-Suzanne died between 1120 and 1125.1
     GAV-23 EDV-25.

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Beaumont 4 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/beaumont/beaumont4.html
  2. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I1341
  3. [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I1340
  4. [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I1343
  5. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Beaumont 4 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/beaumont/beaumont4.html
  6. [S812] e-mail address, updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I10585
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Roscelin: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139652&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  8. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/MAINE.htm#Roscelindied1176. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Hubert de Beaumont Vicomte du Maine et de Beaumont1

M, #20809, b. circa 1047, d. before 1095
FatherRaoul/Ralph V (?) Vicomte de Beaumont-sur-Sarthe et du Maine1 b. c 1010, d. b 1062
MotherEmma de Montrevault Dame de Lude1 b. c 1010, d. 12 Sep 1058
ReferenceGAV24 EDV26
Last Edited7 Aug 2003
     Hubert de Beaumont Vicomte du Maine et de Beaumont was born circa 1047.1 He married Ermengarde de Nevers, daughter of Guillaume I (?) Comte de Nevers & Auxerre and Ermengarde (?) Comtesse de Tonnerre, on 6 December 1067.2,1
Hubert de Beaumont Vicomte du Maine et de Beaumont died before 1095.1
     GAV-24 EDV-26. Hubert de Beaumont Vicomte du Maine et de Beaumont was also known as Hugh de Beaumont Vicomte de Maine.3

Ermengarde de Nevers1

F, #20810, b. after 1045
FatherGuillaume I (?) Comte de Nevers & Auxerre1,2,3,4 b. c 1030, d. bt 10 Jun 1098 - 20 Jun 1100
MotherErmengarde (?) Comtesse de Tonnerre5,4 b. bt 1023 - 1026, d. b 1090
ReferenceGAV24 EDV26
Last Edited22 Jul 2020
     Ermengarde de Nevers was born after 1045.6 She married Hubert de Beaumont Vicomte du Maine et de Beaumont, son of Raoul/Ralph V (?) Vicomte de Beaumont-sur-Sarthe et du Maine and Emma de Montrevault Dame de Lude, on 6 December 1067.6,1
     GAV-24 EDV-26.

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Beaumont 4 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/beaumont/beaumont4.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guillaume I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120900&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes d’Auxerre, Nevers & Tonnerre, p. 8: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Auxerre-Nevers-Tonnerre.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgdnevers.htm#GuillaumeINeversdied1100. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ermengarde: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120901&tree=LEO
  6. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I1340

Guy II "le Chauve" de Laval Sire de Laval1,2

M, #20811, b. circa 1040, d. 1095
FatherHamon de Laval Seigneur de Laval3,4,1 b. c 1015, d. bt 1079 - 1090
MotherHersende (?)1,5 d. b Mar 1095
Last Edited8 Nov 2020
     Guy II "le Chauve" de Laval Sire de Laval was born circa 1040; Genealogics says b. ca 1040; Med Lands says d. aft 1105.1,2 He married Unknown (?) circa 1080;
His 1st wife.6,7,1,2 Guy II "le Chauve" de Laval Sire de Laval married Denise de Mortain, daughter of Robert de Mortain Count of Mortain, Earl of Cornwall and Maud de Montgomery Countess of Mortain, in 1085;
His 2nd wife.8 Guy II "le Chauve" de Laval Sire de Laval married Cecile/Sicilia (?) after 1090;
His 3rd wife.1,9,2
Guy II "le Chauve" de Laval Sire de Laval died in 1095.1
     ; Per Med Lands:
     "DENISE de Mortain ([1065/70]-1090). Robert of Torigny names "unum filium Guillermum et tres filias" as the children of "Robertus comes Moritonii uterinus frater Willermi regis", specifying that one unnamed daughter (mentioned second) married "Guido de Laval"[57]. A charter dated to [1085] records that "Guy II fils de Hamon" withdrew claims against Ronceray relating to property donated by his father by charter dated to [1085] which names "Denise son épouse" and is witnessed by "Hugues, frère de Guy II"[58]. A charter dated to [1080/90] records that "Guidone de Valle" sold "boscum…Monduluet" to "domnus Rivallonus monachus" at Marmoutier, with the consent of "Hugo frater eius…et Dionisia uxor eius"[59]. "Guido de Lavalle" donated the priory of Parné to the church of Saint-Nicholas d'Angers "pro salute sua et uxoris sue Dionisie" by charter dated [1080/90][60]. A charter dated 1090 records that "Guido junior" succeeded "in paternum…honorem" on the death of "Haimonis senioris de Valle Guidonis" and that when, after some time, "supradicti domni Guidonis conjugem" died, he granted further rights to Marmoutier when she was buried "juxta patrem suum Haimonem"[61].
     "m [as his second wife,] GUY [II] Seigneur de Laval, son of HAMON Seigneur de Laval & his wife Hersende --- (before [1037/38]-after 1105, bur Marmoutier)."
Med Lands cites:
[57] Robert de Torigny, Tome I, 1159, p. 319.
[58] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 63, p. 63, extract only, citing Cartulaire du Ronceray CCCLXIII.
[59] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 64, p. 63.
[60] Château-du-Loir 51, p. 27.
[61] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 67, p. 65.8


Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. The Plantagenet Ancestry Baltimore, 1975. , Lt.Col. W. H. Turton, Reference: 183.
2. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XIV 135.1


; This is the same person as ”Guy II de Laval” at Wikipédia (FR).10

; NB: Genealogics seems to differ from Med Lands and Wikipédia (FR) regarding the series Seigneurs de Laval, named Guy. In particular, this results in an overlap of the Guy II, III an IV in birth and death dates and wifes.
I. Genealogics shows:
1 Guy II 'le Chauve', Sire de Laval [1] b. Est 1040 d. 1095 m. NN d. Bef 1090
-->2 Guy III, Sire de Laval d. Abt 1110,
m1. Denise de Mortain d. 1090
m2. Cécilie NN
-->3 (by m2) Guy IV, Sire de Laval d. Abt 1130/1142 m. Emma NN
-->4 Guy V, Sire de Laval d. 1170 m. Agathe


II. Med Lands shows:
1 Guy II 'le Chauve', Sire de Laval [1] b. bef 1037/38 d. aft 1105
m1. NN
m2. 1085 Denis de Mortrain b. 1065/70 d. 1090
m3. aft 1090 Cecile NN
-->2 (by 3) Guy III, Sire de Laval d. d. 1130/42, m. Emma d. aft 1153/62
-->3 Guy IV, Sire de Laval d. 23 Dec 1180/85 m. Emma of Corwall (de Dunstanville)
-->4 Guy V, Sire de Laval d. 1210 m. Avoise de Craon


III. Wikipédia (FR) shows:
1 Guy II 'le Chauve', Sire de Laval [1] b. d. aft 1105
m1. NN
m2. Denis de Mortrain b. 1065/70 d. 1090
m3. Cecile NN
-->2 (by ??) Guy III, Sire de Laval d. d. 1130/42, m. Emma (possible daughter of Henry I of England
-->3 Guy IV, Sire de Laval d. 1180/85
m1. Agathe NN
m2. Emma de Dunstanville
-->4 (by m2) Guy V, Sire de Laval d. 1210 m. Avoise de Craon d. 1230


Conclusion: Med Lands and Wikipédia (FR) are reasonably consistent, but Genealogics seems to inserted an extra Guy and rearranged the wives. I have chosen to follow the lineage as laid out by Med Lands and Wikipédia (FR). GA Vaut.11,2,12,13,10,14,15,16,17

; Per Med Lands:
     "GUY [II] de Laval, son of HAMON Seigneur de Laval & his wife Hersende --- (before [1037/38]-after 1105, bur Marmoutier). "Wido" relinquished rights to the chapter of Le Mans, before leaving for Jerusalem, with the consent of "Haimo, supra scripti Guidonis filius et uxor eius Hersendis filiique eorum Guido…et Hugo", by charter dated 11 Nov 1039[234]. The date of this charter is open to doubt. The brothers Guy [II] and Hugues are recorded well into the 12th century and two of the known children of Guy [II] must have been born in the last decade of the 11th century. If the date of the charter is correct, both Guy [II] and Hugues would have been unusually old when they died. "Hamon de Laval" donated property to Ronceray, at the request of "ses sœurs Agnès et Hildelinde", for the souls of "Guy son père et de Berthe sa mère", with the approval of "Guy son fils et de Hersende son épouse", by charter dated to [1075][235]. He succeeded his father as Seigneur de Laval. An undated charter records that "Guido de Lavalle" succeeded to "honore patris sui Hamonis post mortem eius" and confirmed his father’s donations to the monastery of La Charité Sainte-Marie d’Anjou, with the consent of "uxor…Dionisia…Hugone fratre predicti Guidonis…"[236]. "Guy II et sa mère Hersende" assented to the donation of property to Ronceray by "Foulques du Bignon", by charter dated to [1085][237]. A charter dated to [1080/90] records that "Guidone de Valle" sold "boscum…Monduluet" to "domnus Rivallonus monachus" at Marmoutier, with the consent of "Hugo frater eius…et Dionisia uxor eius"[238]. A charter dated 1090 records that "Guido junior" succeeded "in paternum…honorem" on the death of "Haimonis senioris de Valle Guidonis" and that when, after some time, "supradicti domni Guidonis conjugem" died, he granted further rights to Marmoutier when she was buried "juxta patrem suum Haimonem"[239]. A charter dated [10/16] Mar 1095 recalls donations to Montmajour by "Hamo dominus Latævallis" amd that "filius eius Guido, succedens patri suo in honorem" refused to ratify these donations until Pope Urban II arrived "ad concilium Turonense"[240]. Pope Urban is recorded in Tours in early Mar 1096 (N.S.) from where he addressed letters dated 4, 14, 20, 21 and 24 Mar 1096[241]. An undated charter records the lifting of the sentence of excommunication against "Guy fils de Hamon", imposed for the fire of the church of Gennes, in the presence among others of Renaud Bishop of Angers [appointed in 1102][242]. A charter dated to 1 Dec [1104/1111] records that "Guy de Laval et Hugues son frère" arbitered an agreement between the abbess of Ronceray and "Guérin de Saint-Berthvin"[243]. "Mauricius dominus castelli…Credonum" was condemned to repair the damage he caused to La Trinité de Vendôme "uxor eius domna Mathildis", by charter dated 1105, which names "Goffridus…Vindocinensis abbas…consanguineus Mauricii", and is signed by "Mauricius dominus Credonis, Robertus frater eius…Guido de Lavalle…"[244]. "Guido…et Cecilia uxor eius…et filius eorum Guido…Gervasiusque alius filius" donated property to the monastery of La Charité Sainte-Marie d’Anjou, with the approval of "Hugo de Lavalle", by undated charter witnessed by "…Adelardus de Castro Gunterii, Hugo de Cretone, Hugo de Mathefelone…"[245]. Assuming that the hypothesis concerning Guy [II]’s supposed daughter, wife of Raoul [VII] Vicomte du Maine, is correct as shown below, it is probable that Guy [II] died before her marriage. The marriage is recorded as having taken place in 1095 and the bride described as "sororem Widonis de Valle", suggesting that her father was deceased at the time. However, the charter itself is undated and it is not clear from the text how much time may have passed between the marriage and the date the charter was written. It is possible, therefore, that her father was alive when she married, but died soon afterwards.
     "[m firstly ---. No direct evidence has been found of this supposed first marriage of Guy [II]. However, Guy’s estimated birth date suggests that it is unlikely that Denise de Mortain, whose birth is most likely dated to [1065/70] considering the general chronology of her family, was his first wife.]
     "m [secondly] ([1085]) DENISE de Mortain, daughter of ROBERT Comte de Mortain & his first wife Mathilde de Montgommery ([1065/70]-1090, bur Marmoutier). Robert of Torigny names "unum filium Guillermum et tres filias" as the children of "Robertus comes Moritonii uterinus frater Willermi regis", specifying that one unnamed daughter (mentioned second) married "Guido de Laval"[246]. An undated charter records that "Guido de Lavalle" succeeded to "honore patris sui Hamonis post mortem eius" and confirmed his father’s donations to the monastery of La Charité Sainte-Marie d’Anjou, with the consent of "uxor…Dionisia…Hugone fratre predicti Guidonis…"[247]. A charter dated to [1080/90] records that "Guidone de Valle" sold "boscum…Monduluet" to "domnus Rivallonus monachus" at Marmoutier, with the consent of "Hugo frater eius…et Dionisia uxor eius"[248]. "Guido de Lavalle" donated the priory of Parné to the church of Saint-Nicholas d'Angers "pro salute sua et uxoris sue Dionisie" by charter dated [1080/90][249]. A charter dated 1090 records that "Guido junior" succeeded "in paternum…honorem" on the death of "Haimonis senioris de Valle Guidonis" and that when, after some time, "supradicti domni Guidonis conjugem" died, he granted further rights to Marmoutier when she was buried "juxta patrem suum Haimonem"[250].
     "m [thirdly] (after 1090) CECILE, daughter of ---. A charter dated to [1093/1110] records that "Guido filius Hamonis…et eius uxor Sicilia, filiusque eius…Guido" donated property to Marmoutier when "fratrem suum Hugonem" appeared to be dying, and a later donation by "Guido filius eius et Secilia uxor illius et Hugo frater illius"[251]. "Guido…et Cecilia uxor eius…et filius eorum Guido…Gervasiusque alius filius" donated property to the monastery of La Charité Sainte-Marie d’Anjou, with the approval of "Hugo de Lavalle", by undated charter witnessed by "…Adelardus de Castro Gunterii, Hugo de Cretone, Hugo de Mathefelone…"[252]. "Cécile épouse de Guy" witnessed the charter dated to [1093/1110] under which the nuns of Ronceray recorded a donation and the judgment of "Guy" which enabled them to retain possession[253]."
Med Lands cites:
[234] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 8, p. 21.
[235] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 52, p. 50, extract only, citing Cartulaire du Ronceray CCCLXII.
[236] Anjou Charité, CCCLXIII, p. 221.
[237] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 62, p. 63, extract only, citing Cartulaire du Ronceray CCCCII.
[238] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 64, p. 63.
[239] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 67, p. 65.
[240] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 75, p. 69.
[241] Patrologia Latina, Vol. 151, Beati Urbani II Pontificis Romani epistolæ et privilegia, CLXXVI-CLXXXII, 0449A-0456A.
[242] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 91, p. 74, extract only, citing Arch. du Maine-et-Loire, and Marchegay Reconstitution du Cartulaire de Saint-Nicolas.
[243] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 93, p. 74, extract only, citing Cartulaire du Ronceray CCCLXVIII.
[244] Vendôme La Trinité, Tome II, CCCCXII, p. 171.
[245] Anjou Charité, CCCLXXXI, p. 232.
[246] Robert de Torigny Tome I, 1159, p. 319.
[247] Anjou Charité, CCCLXIII, p. 221.
[248] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 64, p. 63.
[249] Château-du-Loir 51, p. 27.
[250] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 67, p. 65.
[251] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 85, p. 72.
[252] Anjou Charité, CCCLXXXI, p. 232.
[253] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 84, p. 71, extract only, citing Cartulaire du Ronceray CCCLXXX.2

Family 1

Unknown (?) d. b 1090

Family 3

Cecile/Sicilia (?)
Child

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guy II "le Chauve": https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026361&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/mainnob.htm#GuyIILaval. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hamon: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026359&tree=LEO
  4. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/mainnob.htm#GuyILavaldied1040
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hersende: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026360&tree=LEO
  6. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32165
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, NN: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00208553&tree=LEO
  8. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/normabc.htm#dauRobertMortainMGuyLaval
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sicilia: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00208554&tree=LEO
  10. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Guy II de Laval: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_II_de_Laval. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, https://www.genealogics.org/descendtext.php?personID=I00026361&tree=LEO&display=block&generations=5
  12. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/mainnob.htm#GuyIVLavaldied1130
  13. [S4742] Wikipédia (FR), online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Maison de Laval: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maison_de_Laval
  14. [S4742] Wikipédia (FR), online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Guy III de Laval: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_III_de_Laval
  15. [S4742] Wikipédia (FR), online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Guy IV de Laval: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_IV_de_Laval
  16. [S4742] Wikipédia (FR), online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Guy V de Laval: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_V_de_Laval
  17. [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 27 Sep 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."
  18. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guy II "le Chauve": http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026361&tree=LEO
  19. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guy III: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026365&tree=LEO

Unknown (?)1

F, #20812, d. before 1090
Last Edited3 Oct 2020
     Unknown (?) married Guy II "le Chauve" de Laval Sire de Laval, son of Hamon de Laval Seigneur de Laval and Hersende (?), circa 1080;
His 1st wife.2,1,3,4
Unknown (?) died before 1090.1
     ; Per Med Lands:
     "GUY [II] de Laval, son of HAMON Seigneur de Laval & his wife Hersende --- (before [1037/38]-after 1105, bur Marmoutier). "Wido" relinquished rights to the chapter of Le Mans, before leaving for Jerusalem, with the consent of "Haimo, supra scripti Guidonis filius et uxor eius Hersendis filiique eorum Guido…et Hugo", by charter dated 11 Nov 1039[234]. The date of this charter is open to doubt. The brothers Guy [II] and Hugues are recorded well into the 12th century and two of the known children of Guy [II] must have been born in the last decade of the 11th century. If the date of the charter is correct, both Guy [II] and Hugues would have been unusually old when they died. "Hamon de Laval" donated property to Ronceray, at the request of "ses sœurs Agnès et Hildelinde", for the souls of "Guy son père et de Berthe sa mère", with the approval of "Guy son fils et de Hersende son épouse", by charter dated to [1075][235]. He succeeded his father as Seigneur de Laval. An undated charter records that "Guido de Lavalle" succeeded to "honore patris sui Hamonis post mortem eius" and confirmed his father’s donations to the monastery of La Charité Sainte-Marie d’Anjou, with the consent of "uxor…Dionisia…Hugone fratre predicti Guidonis…"[236]. "Guy II et sa mère Hersende" assented to the donation of property to Ronceray by "Foulques du Bignon", by charter dated to [1085][237]. A charter dated to [1080/90] records that "Guidone de Valle" sold "boscum…Monduluet" to "domnus Rivallonus monachus" at Marmoutier, with the consent of "Hugo frater eius…et Dionisia uxor eius"[238]. A charter dated 1090 records that "Guido junior" succeeded "in paternum…honorem" on the death of "Haimonis senioris de Valle Guidonis" and that when, after some time, "supradicti domni Guidonis conjugem" died, he granted further rights to Marmoutier when she was buried "juxta patrem suum Haimonem"[239]. A charter dated [10/16] Mar 1095 recalls donations to Montmajour by "Hamo dominus Latævallis" amd that "filius eius Guido, succedens patri suo in honorem" refused to ratify these donations until Pope Urban II arrived "ad concilium Turonense"[240]. Pope Urban is recorded in Tours in early Mar 1096 (N.S.) from where he addressed letters dated 4, 14, 20, 21 and 24 Mar 1096[241]. An undated charter records the lifting of the sentence of excommunication against "Guy fils de Hamon", imposed for the fire of the church of Gennes, in the presence among others of Renaud Bishop of Angers [appointed in 1102][242]. A charter dated to 1 Dec [1104/1111] records that "Guy de Laval et Hugues son frère" arbitered an agreement between the abbess of Ronceray and "Guérin de Saint-Berthvin"[243]. "Mauricius dominus castelli…Credonum" was condemned to repair the damage he caused to La Trinité de Vendôme "uxor eius domna Mathildis", by charter dated 1105, which names "Goffridus…Vindocinensis abbas…consanguineus Mauricii", and is signed by "Mauricius dominus Credonis, Robertus frater eius…Guido de Lavalle…"[244]. "Guido…et Cecilia uxor eius…et filius eorum Guido…Gervasiusque alius filius" donated property to the monastery of La Charité Sainte-Marie d’Anjou, with the approval of "Hugo de Lavalle", by undated charter witnessed by "…Adelardus de Castro Gunterii, Hugo de Cretone, Hugo de Mathefelone…"[245]. Assuming that the hypothesis concerning Guy [II]’s supposed daughter, wife of Raoul [VII] Vicomte du Maine, is correct as shown below, it is probable that Guy [II] died before her marriage. The marriage is recorded as having taken place in 1095 and the bride described as "sororem Widonis de Valle", suggesting that her father was deceased at the time. However, the charter itself is undated and it is not clear from the text how much time may have passed between the marriage and the date the charter was written. It is possible, therefore, that her father was alive when she married, but died soon afterwards.
     "[m firstly ---. No direct evidence has been found of this supposed first marriage of Guy [II]. However, Guy’s estimated birth date suggests that it is unlikely that Denise de Mortain, whose birth is most likely dated to [1065/70] considering the general chronology of her family, was his first wife.]
     "m [secondly] ([1085]) DENISE de Mortain, daughter of ROBERT Comte de Mortain & his first wife Mathilde de Montgommery ([1065/70]-1090, bur Marmoutier). Robert of Torigny names "unum filium Guillermum et tres filias" as the children of "Robertus comes Moritonii uterinus frater Willermi regis", specifying that one unnamed daughter (mentioned second) married "Guido de Laval"[246]. An undated charter records that "Guido de Lavalle" succeeded to "honore patris sui Hamonis post mortem eius" and confirmed his father’s donations to the monastery of La Charité Sainte-Marie d’Anjou, with the consent of "uxor…Dionisia…Hugone fratre predicti Guidonis…"[247]. A charter dated to [1080/90] records that "Guidone de Valle" sold "boscum…Monduluet" to "domnus Rivallonus monachus" at Marmoutier, with the consent of "Hugo frater eius…et Dionisia uxor eius"[248]. "Guido de Lavalle" donated the priory of Parné to the church of Saint-Nicholas d'Angers "pro salute sua et uxoris sue Dionisie" by charter dated [1080/90][249]. A charter dated 1090 records that "Guido junior" succeeded "in paternum…honorem" on the death of "Haimonis senioris de Valle Guidonis" and that when, after some time, "supradicti domni Guidonis conjugem" died, he granted further rights to Marmoutier when she was buried "juxta patrem suum Haimonem"[250].
     "m [thirdly] (after 1090) CECILE, daughter of ---. A charter dated to [1093/1110] records that "Guido filius Hamonis…et eius uxor Sicilia, filiusque eius…Guido" donated property to Marmoutier when "fratrem suum Hugonem" appeared to be dying, and a later donation by "Guido filius eius et Secilia uxor illius et Hugo frater illius"[251]. "Guido…et Cecilia uxor eius…et filius eorum Guido…Gervasiusque alius filius" donated property to the monastery of La Charité Sainte-Marie d’Anjou, with the approval of "Hugo de Lavalle", by undated charter witnessed by "…Adelardus de Castro Gunterii, Hugo de Cretone, Hugo de Mathefelone…"[252]. "Cécile épouse de Guy" witnessed the charter dated to [1093/1110] under which the nuns of Ronceray recorded a donation and the judgment of "Guy" which enabled them to retain possession[253]."
Med Lands cites:
[234] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 8, p. 21.
[235] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 52, p. 50, extract only, citing Cartulaire du Ronceray CCCLXII.
[236] Anjou Charité, CCCLXIII, p. 221.
[237] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 62, p. 63, extract only, citing Cartulaire du Ronceray CCCCII.
[238] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 64, p. 63.
[239] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 67, p. 65.
[240] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 75, p. 69.
[241] Patrologia Latina, Vol. 151, Beati Urbani II Pontificis Romani epistolæ et privilegia, CLXXVI-CLXXXII, 0449A-0456A.
[242] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 91, p. 74, extract only, citing Arch. du Maine-et-Loire, and Marchegay Reconstitution du Cartulaire de Saint-Nicolas.
[243] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 93, p. 74, extract only, citing Cartulaire du Ronceray CCCLXVIII.
[244] Vendôme La Trinité, Tome II, CCCCXII, p. 171.
[245] Anjou Charité, CCCLXXXI, p. 232.
[246] Robert de Torigny Tome I, 1159, p. 319.
[247] Anjou Charité, CCCLXIII, p. 221.
[248] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 64, p. 63.
[249] Château-du-Loir 51, p. 27.
[250] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 67, p. 65.
[251] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 85, p. 72.
[252] Anjou Charité, CCCLXXXI, p. 232.
[253] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 84, p. 71, extract only, citing Cartulaire du Ronceray CCCLXXX.4


Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 14:135.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, NN: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00208553&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I32165
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guy II "le Chauve": https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026361&tree=LEO
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/mainnob.htm#GuyIILaval. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Guy I de Laval Sire de Laval1,2

M, #20813, b. circa 990, d. 1067
FatherGeoffroy de Laval Sire de Laval3,1
ReferenceGAV25
Last Edited27 Sep 2020
     Guy I de Laval Sire de Laval was born circa 990; Genealogics says b. ca 990; Med Lands says b. 980/990.1,2 He married Berthe de Tosny, daughter of NN de Tosny, between 1010 and 1015;
His 1st wife.4,1,2,5 Guy I de Laval Sire de Laval married Rotrude (?) de Château-du-Loir, daughter of Aimon/Hamelin/Hamon "Le Barbu" (?) Seigneur de Château-du-Loir and Hildeburge de Bellême, before 1030;
Her 2nd husband; his 2nd wife.6,1,2,5
Guy I de Laval Sire de Laval died in 1067; Genealogics says d. 1067; Med Lands says d. bef 26 Feb 1062.1,2
     ; Per Genealogics:
     “Guy is given by _Europaische Stammtafeln_ as the son of Geoffroy, sire de Laval. About 1020 Herbert I Eveille-Chien, comte de Maine, entrusted the territory of Laval to Guy. A charter of the priory of Saint Martin de Laval in 1050 records that he was authorised to build a castle there. The oldest relics found in the castle of Laval date back to the first half of the 11th century. Located near the borders of three major provinces, this castle would be the stronghold of the lords of Laval for over five centuries.
     “Guy married twice. With his first wife Berthe, of the Tosny family, he had five children of whom Hamon would have progeny. About 1030 Guy married Rotrude de Château-du-Loir, daughter of Hamelin, sire de Château-du-Loir and Hildeburge de Bellême.
     “Guy died about 1067.”.1

Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. The Plantagenet Ancestry Baltimore, 1975. , Lt.Col. W. H. Turton, Reference: 183.
2. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 14:135.1
GAV-25.

; This is the same person as ”Guy Ier de Laval” at Wikipédia (FR).5

; Per Med Lands: SEIGNEURS de LAVAL
     "The castle of Laval was situated on the banks of the river Mayenne and was constructed by Guy [I] Seigneur de Laval, as shown by two charters which describe him as "Guido, castri quod Vallis nuncupatur, in pago Cynnomennensi conditor atque possessor"[166], who was a vassal of the comtes du Maine. No indication has been found about his parentage or origin. Broussillon suggests that he must have taken possession of Laval in [1020][167].
     "The genealogy of the first dynasty of seigneurs de Laval has been the subject of much confusion over the years. The main problem in reconstructing the family is that six out of the seven early seigneurs de Laval were named Guy, five of whom succeeded in a direct line from father to son. This makes it harder to identify the specific person to whom undated primary sources relate. Some early secondary sources misinterpreted the sources and incorrectly concluded that there were seven seigneurs de Laval named Guy, instead of six. This introduced a hypothetical additional generation into the genealogy which caused a great deal of confusion. Broussillon appears to have been the first author to find his way accurately through the maze[168]. His structure provides the basis for the reconstruction set out below, with some minor modifications and additions. The primary sources which Broussillon collected do provide sufficiently accurate information to assert that this reconstruction is definitive and that there were only six seigneurs de Laval named Guy. However, even Broussillon was confused about the numbering of the seigneurs de Laval. The difficulty is that Guy [IV] described himself as "Guido quintus" in a charter dated to [1150] under which he donated profits from a fair to the Knights Hospitallers of Jerusalem[169]. At first sight this suggests that there must have been four earlier seigneurs de Laval named Guy. The solution to the difficulty is found in one of the charters of his son Guy [V] who is called "Guido dominus sextus de Lavalle" in his donation to Olivet priory dated to [1205][170]. The appropriate translation of this phrase is (adding punctuation) "Guy, sixth lord of Laval" not "Guy the sixth, lord of Laval". The former is an accurate description of him when we remember that Hamon Seigneur de Laval, son of Guy [I], was the second sire de Laval. It is reasonable therefore to assume that the reference to “Guido quintus” represents a contraction of the complete phrase “Guido dominus quintus de Lavalle”. It is suggested that the Laval family in England descended from Hugues, son of Hamon Seigneur de Laval.
     "The first dynasty of seigneurs de Laval became extinct in the male line on the death in 1211 of Guy [VI]. The castle passed to his sister Emma and to her children by her second husband Mathieu [II] Seigneur de Montmorency (who was constable of France).
     "GUY [I] de Laval ([980/90]-before 26 Feb 1062). Seigneur de Laval. "Wido" relinquished rights to the chapter of Le Mans, before leaving for Jerusalem, with the consent of "Haimo, supra scripti Guidonis filius et uxor eius Hersendis filiique eorum Guido…et Hugo", by charter dated 11 Nov 1039[171]. The date of this charter is open to doubt, particularly because two of the known children of Guy’s grandson Guy [II] must have been born in the last decade of the 11th century. In addition, Guy [I] himself would have been unusually old when he died if he already had grandchildren in 1039. "…Guidonis de Valle filiorumque suorum Johannis et Hamonis" consented to a donation by "Fulcodius" to Marmoutier by charter dated to [1040][172]. The monks of Marmoutier record a donation by "Guido, castri quod Vallis nuncupatur, in pago Cynnomennensi conditor atque possessor", at the request of "Johannis filii sui monachi nostri", with the consent of "Haimone atque Guidone filiis suis…Gervasium…tres his…sorores Hildesindem, Agnetem, Hildeburgem", by charter dated to [1050][173]. The monks of Marmoutier record a donation by "Guido, castri…Vallis…in pago Cenomannensi conditorem ac possessorem", with the consent of "suorumque filiorum…Haimonis…Gervasii atque Guidonis, simulque Agnetis", by charter dated to [1050], witnessed by "…Rotrudis uxor predicti Widonis, Gualterius filius eius…"[174]. The date of his death is set by the charter dated 26 Feb 1062, witnessed by "…Haimo de Lavalle…", which records an agreement of confraternity between Saint-Maurice d’Angers and La Trinité de Vendôme[175]. Guillaume II Duke of Normandy settled a claim in favour of the monks of Marmoutier relating to property donated by "Guido de Valle" by charter dated 1064, which names "Iohannem monachum filium suum" and is witnessed by "…Hamo de Valle filius Guidonis…"[176]. This document does not state that Guy was alive at that date.
     "m firstly ([1010/15]) BERTHE de Tosny, daughter of ---. Her marriage is confirmed by the charter dated [Sep/14 Oct] 1055 under which the monks of Marmoutier record the donations by "quemdam militem…Johannem pagi Cenomannensis indigenum, Widonis de Valle filium" of property "in Normannia, territorio Vilcassino…ecclesiam in villa…Guarniacus…juxta fluvium Eptæ" which "Wido pater eorum" accepted from "uxore sua Berta, Johannis et Haimonis matre"[177]. Her connection with the Tosny family is confirmed by the charter dated 1063 which records the consent given by "Rotbertum de Toeniaco, avunculum domni Johanni monachi nostri, filii Widonis de Valle" to the donations by the latter to Marmoutier, authorised by "Berengerius filius eius"[178]. The remaining question is the identity of her father. The date of her marriage is estimated from the charter dated 11 Nov 1039 in which her two grandsons are named (see above)[179]. If this document is correctly dated (and this is open to doubt as discussed further above), Berthe could not have been the daughter of Roger [I] de Conches. There are two other possibilities. Either she was the daughter of Raoul [II] de Tosny or she was related to Robert de Tosny, who was Lord of Belvoir in 1086 and whose precise relationship with the main Tosny family has not been ascertained.
     "m secondly (before [1030]) as her second husband, ROTRUDE de Château-du-Loir, widow of ---, daughter of HAMON Seigneur d'Argentré & his wife Hildeburge de Bellême (-after [1050]). The monks of Marmoutier record a donation by "Guido, castri…Vallis…in pago Cenomannensi conditorem ac possessorem", with the consent of "suorumque filiorum…Haimonis…Gervasii atque Guidonis, simulque Agnetis", by charter dated to [1050], witnessed by "…Rotrudis uxor predicti Widonis, Gualterius filius eius…"[180]. Her parentage is confirmed by a charter dated to [1100] under which the monks of Angers Saint-Aubin recall the history of "ecclesiam de Comburniaco", seized by "Fulcho comes" [Foulques III "Nerra" Comte d’Anjou] and given to "Hamelino de Castro Ledi", who granted it to "Widdoni de Valle cum filia sua in maritagio"[181]. If this report is correct, Rotrude must have married before [1030], the estimated date of death of her father. The monks of Marmoutier record the division of Laval fair and market profits with "Guido de Valle", with the consent of "filii eius Hamon, Hildelinda, Agnes, Hildeburgis et Guido et Gervasius" by charter dated to [1050], witnessed by "…Rotrudis supradicti Guidonis uxor, Gualterius filius eius…"[182]. These charters confirm Rotrude’s first marriage, from which "Gualterius filius eius" was presumably born."
Med Lands cites:
[171] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 8, p. 21.
[172] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 9, p. 23.
[173] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 16, p. 25.
[174] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 17, p. 29, and Château-du-Loir 18, p. 7.
[175] Vendôme La Trinité, Tome I, CLIX, p. 276.
[176] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 28, p. 39.
[177] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 20, p. 35.
[178] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 27, p. 38.
[179] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 8, p. 21.
[180] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 17, p. 29, and Château-du-Loir 18, p. 7.
[181] Angers Saint-Aubin, I, CCCXXVII, p. 372.
[182] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 18, p. 31.2


; Per Med Lands:
     "ROTRUDE de Château-du-Loir (-after [1050]). The monks of Marmoutier record a donation by "Guido, castri…Vallis…in pago Cenomannensi conditorem ac possessorem", with the consent of "suorumque filiorum…Haimonis…Gervasii atque Guidonis, simulque Agnetis", by charter dated to [1050], witnessed by "…Rotrudis uxor predicti Widonis, Gualterius filius eius…"[96]. Her parentage is confirmed by a charter dated to [1100] under which the monks of Angers Saint-Aubin recall the history of "ecclesiam de Comburniaco", seized by "Fulcho comes" [Foulques III "Nerra" Comte d’Anjou] and given to "Hamelino de Castro Ledi", who granted it to "Widdoni de Valle cum filia sua in maritagio"[97]. If this report is correct, Rotrude must have married before [1030], the estimated date of death of her father. The monks of Marmoutier record the division of Laval fair and market profits with "Guido de Valle", with the consent of "filii eius Hamon, Hildelinda, Agnes, Hildeburgis et Guido et Gervasius" by charter dated to [1050], witnessed by "…Rotrudis supradicti Guidonis uxor, Gualterius filius eius…"[98]. These charters confirm Rotrude’s first marriage, from which "Gualterius filius eius" was presumably born.
     "m firstly ---. The name of Rotrude’s first husband is not known.
     "m secondly ([before 1030]) as his second wife, GUY [I] Seigneur de Laval, son of --- (-after 1064)."
Med Lands cites:
[96] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 17, p. 29, and Château-du-Loir 18, p. 7.
[97] Angers Saint-Aubin, Tome I, CCCXXVII, p. 372.
[98] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 18, p. 31.6

Family 1

Berthe de Tosny
Child

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guy I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026356&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/mainnob.htm#_Toc4742615. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Geoffroy: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026355&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Berthe de Champagne: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026357&tree=LEO
  5. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Guy Ier de Laval: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Ier_de_Laval. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  6. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/mainnob.htm#RotrudeChateauLoirMGuyILaval
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hamon: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026359&tree=LEO
  8. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/mainnob.htm#GuyILavaldied1040

Armengol (?) comte de Rouergue et de Quercy, marquis de Gothie1,2

M, #20814, b. circa 882, d. 937
FatherEudes/Odon (?) Comte de Toulouse, Rouergue et de Quercy1,3 b. c 840, d. bt 918 - 919
MotherGarsinde (?) d'Albi1 d. a Aug 887
ReferenceGAV29
Last Edited24 Jul 2020
     Armengol (?) comte de Rouergue et de Quercy, marquis de Gothie married Adelaide (?)1 Armengol (?) comte de Rouergue et de Quercy, marquis de Gothie was born circa 882.4
Armengol (?) comte de Rouergue et de Quercy, marquis de Gothie died in 937.4
     GAV-29. Armengol (?) comte de Rouergue et de Quercy, marquis de Gothie was also known as Ermengaud (?) comte de Rouergue et de Quercy, marquis de Gothie.2,5 He was comte de Rouergue between 918 and 937.5

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Toulouse 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/toulouse/toul1.html
  2. [S1868] J Bunot, "Bunot email 26 Jan 2005: "Toulouse according to Settipani"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 26 Jan 2005, Bunot cites Christian Settipani, La Noblesse du Midi Carolingien. Hereinafter cited as "Bunot email 26 Jan 2005."
  3. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Toulouse, p. 6: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Toulouse.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  4. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I24835
  5. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Eudes de Toulouse: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eudes_de_Toulouse. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).

Adelaide (?)1

F, #20815, b. circa 882
ReferenceGAV30 EDV30
Last Edited21 Apr 2006
     Adelaide (?) married Armengol (?) comte de Rouergue et de Quercy, marquis de Gothie, son of Eudes/Odon (?) Comte de Toulouse, Rouergue et de Quercy and Garsinde (?) d'Albi.2 Adelaide (?) was born circa 882.1
     GAV-30 EDV-30 GKJ-31.

Citations

  1. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I24836
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Toulouse 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/toulouse/toul1.html
  3. [S1868] J Bunot, "Bunot email 26 Jan 2005: "Toulouse according to Settipani"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 26 Jan 2005, Bunot cites Christian Settipani, La Noblesse du Midi Carolingien. Hereinafter cited as "Bunot email 26 Jan 2005."

Eudes/Odon (?) Comte de Toulouse, Rouergue et de Quercy1,2,3

M, #20816, b. circa 840, d. between 918 and 919
FatherRaimond I (?) Comte et Marquis de Toulouse, Comte de Rouergue et Comte de Quercy1,4,5,6,7 d. bt 863 - 865
MotherBerta/Bertheis (?)1,8,7 b. c 797
ReferenceGAV29 EDV30
Last Edited31 Aug 2020
     Eudes/Odon (?) Comte de Toulouse, Rouergue et de Quercy was born circa 840.3 He married Garsinde (?) d'Albi, daughter of Ermengaud (?) Comte d'Albi, circa 860.1,4,9,7
Eudes/Odon (?) Comte de Toulouse, Rouergue et de Quercy died between 918 and 919; Genealogics says d. 918-919; Bunot says d. 918; Genealogy.EU says d. 918/919.1,4,7
     GAV-29 EDV-30 GKJ-31.

Reference: Genealogics cites: La Noblesse du Midi Carolingien , Settipani, Christian.7

; This is the same person as ”Odo, Count of Toulouse” at Wikipedia and as ”Eudes de Toulouse” at Wikipédia (FR).10,3

; Per Racines et Histoire (Toulouse): “Eudes (Odo) de Toulouse + 918/19 comte de Toulouse (875-918/19), Quercy et Rouergue, seigneur d’Oradour (mentionne sa famille : charte 886 ; (fonde l’Abbaye Saint-Géraud)
     ép. Gersende d’Albi (fille et héritière d’Hermengild (Ermengaud), comte d’Albi)”.11

; Per Genealogy.EU (Toulouse 1): “B3. Odo/Eudes Cte de Toulouse (875-918/9), +918/9; m.Gersende d'Alby, dau.of Cte Hermengild de Alby”.12

; Per Med Lands:
     "[GERSENDE . "Oddo…comes uxorque mea Garsindis" sold property "in comitatu Lemovicino…villa…Orbaciacus" by charter dated Aug 887, with the consent of "fratre nostro Airberto" and subscribed by "Garsis comitis, Willelmi comitis…"[4]. The Histoire Générale de Languedoc suggests that the wife of Odon Comte de Toulouse was the daughter of Ermengaud Comte d’Albi, basing this on Gersende naming her second son Ermengaud[5]. Even if it is correct that Gersende was connected to the comte d´Albi, it is presumably possible that she was a more remote relation of Ermengaud than his daughter.
     "m ODON Comte de Toulouse, son of RAYMOND I Comte de Toulouse & his wife Berthe --- (-[918/19]).]"
Med Lands cites:
[4] Beaulieu, X, p. 24.
[5] Histoire Générale de Languedoc 2nd Edn. Tome II, p. 321.13
He was Comte de Rouergue between 872 and 918.3 He was Comte de Quercy between 877 and 918.3 He was Comte de Toulouse between 886 and 918.1,3 He was Marquis de Gothie between 918 and 918.3

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Toulouse 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/toulouse/toul1.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Eudes|Odon: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00140035&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Eudes de Toulouse: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eudes_de_Toulouse. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  4. [S1868] J Bunot, "Bunot email 26 Jan 2005: "Toulouse according to Settipani"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 26 Jan 2005, Bunot cites Christian Settipani, La Noblesse du Midi Carolingien. Hereinafter cited as "Bunot email 26 Jan 2005."
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Raimond I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00534824&tree=LEO
  6. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/TOULOUSE.htm#RaymondIdied865. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Eudes|Odon: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00140035&tree=LEO
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Bertheiz: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00534825&tree=LEO
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, NN: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00140036&tree=LEO
  10. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odo,_Count_of_Toulouse. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
  11. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Toulouse, p. 5: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Toulouse.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  12. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Toulouse 1: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/toulouse/toul1.html
  13. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/toulcentw.htm#GersendeMOdonToulouse
  14. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Toulouse, p. 6: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Toulouse.pdf
  15. [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 31 Aub 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."
  16. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Raimund II: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00140033&tree=LEO
  17. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/TOULOUSE.htm#RaymondIIdied923

Garsinde (?) d'Albi1

F, #20817, d. after August 887
FatherErmengaud (?) Comte d'Albi1,2,3,4 d. a 864
ReferenceGAV29 EDV30
Last Edited31 Aug 2020
     Garsinde (?) d'Albi married Eudes/Odon (?) Comte de Toulouse, Rouergue et de Quercy, son of Raimond I (?) Comte et Marquis de Toulouse, Comte de Rouergue et Comte de Quercy and Berta/Bertheis (?), circa 860.1,2,5,6
Garsinde (?) d'Albi died after August 887.4
     ; Per Genealogy.EU (Toulouse 1): “B3. Odo/Eudes Cte de Toulouse (875-918/9), +918/9; m.Gersende d'Alby, dau.of Cte Hermengild de Alby”.7

; Per Racines et Histoire (Toulouse): “Eudes (Odo) de Toulouse + 918/19 comte de Toulouse (875-918/19), Quercy et Rouergue, seigneur d’Oradour (mentionne sa famille : charte 886 ; (fonde l’Abbaye Saint-Géraud)
     ép. Gersende d’Albi (fille et héritière d’Hermengild (Ermengaud), comte d’Albi)”.8 GAV-29 EDV-30 GKJ-31.

Reference: Genealogics cites: La Noblesse du Midi Carolingien , Settipani, Christian.5

; Per Med Lands:
     "[GERSENDE . "Oddo…comes uxorque mea Garsindis" sold property "in comitatu Lemovicino…villa…Orbaciacus" by charter dated Aug 887, with the consent of "fratre nostro Airberto" and subscribed by "Garsis comitis, Willelmi comitis…"[4]. The Histoire Générale de Languedoc suggests that the wife of Odon Comte de Toulouse was the daughter of Ermengaud Comte d’Albi, basing this on Gersende naming her second son Ermengaud[5]. Even if it is correct that Gersende was connected to the comte d´Albi, it is presumably possible that she was a more remote relation of Ermengaud than his daughter.
     "m ODON Comte de Toulouse, son of RAYMOND I Comte de Toulouse & his wife Berthe --- (-[918/19]).]"
Med Lands cites:
[4] Beaulieu, X, p. 24.
[5] Histoire Générale de Languedoc 2nd Edn. Tome II, p. 321.3

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Toulouse 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/toulouse/toul1.html
  2. [S1868] J Bunot, "Bunot email 26 Jan 2005: "Toulouse according to Settipani"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 26 Jan 2005, Bunot cites Christian Settipani, La Noblesse du Midi Carolingien. Hereinafter cited as "Bunot email 26 Jan 2005."
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/toulcentw.htm#GersendeMOdonToulouse. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Eudes de Toulouse: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eudes_de_Toulouse. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, NN: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00140036&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Eudes|Odon: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00140035&tree=LEO
  7. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Toulouse 1: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/toulouse/toul1.html
  8. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Toulouse, p. 5: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Toulouse.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  9. [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 31 Aub 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."
  10. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/TOULOUSE.htm#RaymondIIdied923
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Raimund II: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00140033&tree=LEO

Raimund II (?) Comte de Nîmes et d'Albi, de Toulouse1,2

M, #20818, b. circa 857, d. between 923 and 924
FatherEudes/Odon (?) Comte de Toulouse, Rouergue et de Quercy1,3,4,5,6 b. c 840, d. bt 918 - 919
MotherGarsinde (?) d'Albi1,4,3,7 d. a Aug 887
ReferenceGAV30
Last Edited25 Jul 2020
     Raimund II (?) Comte de Nîmes et d'Albi, de Toulouse married Aimildis (?);
His 1st wife.8,3 Raimund II (?) Comte de Nîmes et d'Albi, de Toulouse was born circa 857.9 He married Guinidilda d’Urgel, daughter of Wifredo I "el Velloso" "the Hairy" d’Urgel Count of Barcelona, Besalu, Girona, Osona, Urgel & Cerdagne and Guinidilda/Guinhild (?), circa 895; Date per Bunot.10,11,3,4
Raimund II (?) Comte de Nîmes et d'Albi, de Toulouse died between 923 and 924.1,10,3
     ; Per Genealogy.EU (Toulouse 1): “C1. Cte Raimund II de Toulouse (918/9-923), +923; m. Gudinilde (de Urgel ?) (+after 923)”.12 GAV-30.

; Per Bunot email: "Raymond II, comte de Nîmes et d'Albi, puis de Toulouse (+ 924) m. (1) c. 895, Ne..., an heiress from Auvergne introducing the Pons name in Toulouse onomastics (+ before 924); m. (2) ? Gunidilde, poss. from the house of Barcelone and poss. d/o Guifred II (+ after 926 no post.)”.10

Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.), Reference: III 763.
2. La Noblesse du Midi Carolingien , Settipani, Christian.3
Raimund II (?) Comte de Nîmes et d'Albi, de Toulouse was also known as Raymond II (?) Count of Toulouse and Rouerge.13

; Per Med Lands:
     "RAYMOND de Toulouse (-[923/24]). His parentage is confirmed by a charter dated 16 Jun 918, which records an audience at Ausonne in the diocesis of Carcassonnne held by "Aridemandus episcopus sedis Tolosæ civitatis...missus advocatus Raymundo comite Tolosæ civitatis et marchio" with the consent of "Odone comite genitore suo"[238]. The Vita Sancti Geraldi Aureliacensis Comitis records that "Raimundum…comitem filium…Odonis" captured "nepotem domni Geraldi…Benedictum, Tolosæ…vicecomitem" and that "Geraldus…cum sorore sua Avigerna" requested his release[239]. The Histoire Générale de Languedoc dates the event to [894/909], the earlier date being when the monastery of Aurillac was founded and the latter the date of death of Benoît´s maternal uncle[240]. If the estimated date is correct, this was before the death of Raymond´s father and therefore before his succession as comte de Toulouse. If at that date Raymond already held the comital title in his own right, it tends to corroborate the co-identity of Raymond II Comte de Toulouse with Raymond Comte d´Albi, as discussed below. He succeeded his father in [918] as RAYMOND II Comte de Toulouse. [same person as…? RAYMOND Comte d´Albi (-after 915). It is not certain whether the following documents all refer to the future Raymond II Comte de Toulouse: Comte de [Nîmes]. A bull of Pope John VIII dated 18 Aug 878, relating to papal authority over the monastery of Saint-Gilles, is subscribed by "Raimundus comes, Berengarius vicecomes…Emenus vicecomes, Oddo vicecomes, Ugo comes"[241]. A charter dated Aug 878 records an audience held by "Reymundo comite" at Albi[242]. A charter dated Apr 890 records a judgment in the court of "Raimundus…comes ipsius pagi…Allidulfo suo viciscomiti" relating to a claim by "Bligardis…in comitatu Nemausensi"[243]. A charter dated 23 May 898 records business in the presence of "Bernardo vices-comite…Regemundo comite…Berengario comite"[244]. "Regimundo comite" subscribed a charter dated Jul 902 recording a donation to Nîmes Notre-Dame[245]. A charter dated 18 Jul 915 records business in the presence of "Regemundo comite" and "Daruardus vicecomes Rotenensi" as judge in "Andusie…castello"[246]. It is possible that Raymond inherited Albi from his mother´s family. In later documentation, Albi and Nîmes are recorded under the same vicomtes, and it is also possible that they were linked under the same count in the late 9th century and that Nîmes was also inherited by Raymond. The fact that no further record is found relating to Raymond in Nîmes after 915 could be explained by his succession in Toulouse, after which Nîmes would have ceased to be one of his main centres of activity. No other Comte Raymond has so far been identified who could be this comte de Nîmes. "Ugo comes" who also subscribed the 878 papal bull has not yet been identified.] No document has been identified that Comte Raymond II also held the title Marquis de Gothie. The death of Guillaume I "le Pieux" Duke of Aquitaine, Marquis de Gothie, is dated to 918. The son of Comte Raymond II, Comte Raymond Pons, is recorded with the title in 924. As shown below, Ermengaud, supposed brother of Comte Raymond II is referred to as "princeps Gothiæ" by Flodoard in 932. It is suggested that Raymond II and his supposed brother received the title jointly in [918/19] from Charles III "le Simple" King of the West Franks. No close family connection has been traced between Comte Raymond II and Duke Guillaume I. It is therefore unlikely that the two supposed brothers succeeded to the title by inheritance.
     "m --- (-[after 28 Sep 926]). The name and origin of the wife of Comte Raymond II are unknown. She may have been GUINIDILDA, daughter of ---, as suggested by the charter dated 28 Sep 926, under which "Teudericus et uxor mea…Sposia" donated property to Narbonne cathedral, signed by "Vulveradus vicecomes…Widinildis comitissa, Richildis vicecomitissa…"[247]. As Narbonne was under the suzerainty of the comtes de Toulouse, it is possible that "Widinildis comitissa" was the legal representative of the county at the time, widow of the former comte and acting in the capacity of guardian for her minor son. According to Europäische Stammtafeln[248], she was [Guinidilda] [de Barcelona, daughter of Guifré [I] "el Velloso/el Pilós/the Hairy" Conde de Barcelona & his wife Guinidilda ---]. As Guinidilda was also the name of the wife of Conde Guifré I, a connection seems likely, although it is also possible that "Vuidinildis comitissa" belonged to the same family as Guinidilda senior (about whose family nothing is known either)."
Med Lands cites:
[238] Histoire Générale de Languedoc 2nd Edn. Tome II, Preuves, CLXIII, p. 709, and 3rd Edn., Tome V, Preuves, Chartes et Diplômes, 43, col. 137.
[239] Odo Cluniacensis Abbas, De Vita Sancti Geraldi Aureliacensis Comitis, Liber II, XXVIII, Patrologia Latina, Vol. 133, col. 0685D.
[240] Histoire Générale de Languedoc 3rd Edn. Tome III, Liv. XI, LXXIX, p. 76.
[241] Bullaire de Saint-Gilles, IV, p. 11.
[242] Histoire Générale de Languedoc 2nd Edn. Tome II, Preuves, CIX, p. 667, and 3rd Edn., Preuves, 201, p. 400.
[243] Histoire Générale de Languedoc 3rd Edn. Tome V, Preuves, Chartes et Diplômes, 12, col. 83.
[244] Nîmes Notre-Dame VIII, p. 16.
[245] Nîmes Notre-Dame IX, p. 19.
[246] Nîmes Notre-Dame VIII, p. 16.
[247] Histoire Générale de Languedoc 3rd Edn. Tome V, Preuves, Chartes et Diplômes, 52, col. 151.
[248] ES II 68.
[249] Histoire Générale de Languedoc 3rd Edn. Tome V, Preuves, Chartes et Diplômes, 67, col. 173.4


; Per Med Lands:
     "GUINIDILDA . The name and origin of the wife of Raymond II Comte de Toulouse are not known. "Vulveradus vicecomes…Widinildis comitissa, Richildis vicecomitissa…" signed the charter dated 28 Sep 926 under which "Teudericus et uxor mea…Sposia" donated prope[rty to Narbonne cathedral[168]. As Narbonne was under the suzerainty of the comtes de Toulouse, it is possible that "Widinildis comitissa" was the legal representative of the county at the time, widow of the former comte and acting in the capacity of guardian for her minor son. She is shown as the possible daughter of Guifre [I] Comte de Barcelona in Europäische Stammtafeln[169]. As Guinidilda was also the name of the wife of Comte Guifré [I], a connection seems likely, although it is also possible that "Vuidinildis comitissa" belonged to the same family as Guinidilda senior.]
     "[m RAYMOND II Comte de Toulouse, son of ODON [Eudes] Comte de Toulouse & his wife Gersende d'Albi (-[923/924]).] "
Med Lands cites:
[168] Histoire Générale de Languedoc 3rd Edn. Tome V, Preuves, Chartes et Diplômes, 52, col. 151.
[169] ES II 68.14


; Per Genealogy.EU (Barcelona 1): “C10. [parentage not proved] Guinidilda, +after 923; m.Cte Raymond II of Toulouse (+923)”


Per Genealogy.EU (Toulouse 1): “C1. Raimund II Cte de Toulouse (918/9-923), +923; m.Gudinilde (de Urgel ?) (+after 923.)15,16" He was Comte de Toulouse between 918 and 924.1,17

Family 1

Aimildis (?)

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Toulouse 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/toulouse/toul1.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Raimund II: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00140033&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Raimund II: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00140033&tree=LEO
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/TOULOUSE.htm#RaymondIIdied923. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Toulouse, p. 6: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Toulouse.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Eudes|Odon: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00140035&tree=LEO
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, NN: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00140036&tree=LEO
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Aimildis: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00453928&tree=LEO
  9. [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I24768
  10. [S1868] J Bunot, "Bunot email 26 Jan 2005: "Toulouse according to Settipani"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 26 Jan 2005, Bunot cites Christian Settipani, La Noblesse du Midi Carolingien. Hereinafter cited as "Bunot email 26 Jan 2005."
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guinedildis: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00140034&tree=LEO
  12. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Toulouse 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/toulouse/toul1.html
  13. [S2151] Francisco Tavares de Almeida, "de Almeida email 7 Oct 2007: "Re: manrique de lara"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/83Ttp72p5m8/m/ex0K4muXITkJ) to e-mail address, 7 Oct 2007. Hereinafter cited as "de Almeida email 7 Oct 2007."
  14. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CATALAN%20NOBILITY.htm#GuifreIdied897B
  15. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Barcelona 1 page (Bellonides): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/barcelona/barcelona1.html
  16. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Toulouse 1: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/toulouse/toul1.html#R2
  17. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Eudes de Toulouse: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eudes_de_Toulouse. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  18. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Raymond Pons: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00140031&tree=LEO
  19. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/TOULOUSE.htm#RaymondPonsdied940944B

Ermengaud (?) Comte d'Albi1,2,3

M, #20819, d. after 864
ReferenceGAV30 EDV31
Last Edited24 Jul 2020
     Ermengaud (?) Comte d'Albi died after 864.3
     GAV-30 EDV-31 GKJ-32.

; Per Med Lands:
     "ERMENGAUD . Comte d´Albi. The Histoire Générale de Languedoc states that Ermengaud Comte d’Albi is referred to by the chronicler Aimion[3], but this source has not yet been consulted. m ---. The name of Ermengaud's wife is not known."
Med Lands cites:
[3] Histoire Générale de Languedoc 2nd Edn. Tome II, p. 321.2
Ermengaud (?) Comte d'Albi was also known as Hermengild (?) Comte de Alby.4

Family

Child

Citations

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Raimund I (?) Comte de Rouerge, Duc d'Aquitaine1

M, #20820, d. 961
FatherArmengol (?) comte de Rouergue et de Quercy, marquis de Gothie1 b. c 882, d. 937
MotherAdelaide (?)1 b. c 882
Last Edited6 Oct 2020
     Raimund I (?) Comte de Rouerge, Duc d'Aquitaine married Berthe (?) d'Arles, daughter of Odo (?) Cte d'Arles.1 Raimund I (?) Comte de Rouerge, Duc d'Aquitaine married unknown (?), daughter of Odoin (?); his 1st wife.1
Raimund I (?) Comte de Rouerge, Duc d'Aquitaine died in 961.2
     ; Cte Raimund I de Rouergue, Duc d'Aquitaine, etc, +960/1; 1m: N, dau.of Odoin N; 2m: Bertha, dau.of Ct Odo of Arles.1

Family 1

unknown (?)