Arnold III (?) van Oudenaarde1

M, #60991
FatherGerard II (?)2,1 d. b 1154
Last Edited19 Jul 2020
     Arnold III (?) van Oudenaarde married Mathilda (?)3,1
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: The Flemish Nobility before 1300 4 volumes, Dr. E. Warlop, Reference: 1037.1 Arnold III (?) van Oudenaarde was also known as Arnould III (?) d’Audenaerde.4 He was living in 1144.1

Family

Mathilda (?)
Children

Mathilda (?)1

F, #60992
Last Edited19 Jul 2020
     Mathilda (?) married Arnold III (?) van Oudenaarde, son of Gerard II (?).1,2
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: The Flemish Nobility before 1300 4 volumes, Dr. E. Warlop, Reference: 1037.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mathilda: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00163346&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Arnold III: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00163345&tree=LEO
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gilbert II: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00163343&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adelheid van Oudenaarde: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106871&tree=LEO

Alix/Adelheid de Rozoy Dame de Rosoy, Beaucignies, Lessines1

F, #60993, d. after 1259
FatherRoger de Rozoy Seigneur de Rozoy1,2 b. c 1182, d. b 1246
MotherAlix (?) d'Avesnes1,3 b. c 1175, d. a 1237
Last Edited20 May 2004
     Alix/Adelheid de Rozoy Dame de Rosoy, Beaucignies, Lessines married Arnold IV van Oudenaarde Heer van Oudenaarde and Pamele, son of Gilbert II (?) Heer van Oudenaarde and Richilde (?) de Tournai, Dame de Feignies.1,4
Alix/Adelheid de Rozoy Dame de Rosoy, Beaucignies, Lessines died after 1259.1
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: Kwartierstaten compiled during WWII in the office of De Nederlandsche Leeuw , Drs. Arie Veth.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Alix (Adelheid) de Rozoy: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027123&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Roger de Rozoy: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027114&tree=LEO
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Alix d'Avesnes: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020650&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Arnold IV van Oudenaarde: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00163341&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Johan van Oudenaarde: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106920&tree=LEO

Johan van Oudenaarde Heer van Oudenaarde en Rozoy1

M, #60994, d. between 12 December 1293 and 30 April 1294
FatherArnold IV van Oudenaarde Heer van Oudenaarde and Pamele1 b. c 1175, d. b Nov 1242
MotherAlix/Adelheid de Rozoy Dame de Rosoy, Beaucignies, Lessines1 d. a 1259
Last Edited14 May 2009
     Johan van Oudenaarde Heer van Oudenaarde en Rozoy married Adele (?) de Soissons, daughter of Jean II de Nesle Comte de Soissons and Marie (?) du Thour et de Chimay; his 1st wife.1,2 Johan van Oudenaarde Heer van Oudenaarde en Rozoy married Mathilde de Crecques, daughter of Anselme II de Crecques and Beatrix de Guines, on 20 September 1254; his 2nd wife; her 2nd husband.3,4
Johan van Oudenaarde Heer van Oudenaarde en Rozoy died between 12 December 1293 and 30 April 1294.1
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 35.1

Family 1

Adele (?) de Soissons d. b 1253

Family 2

Mathilde de Crecques d. a 1296
Child

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Johan van Oudenaarde: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106920&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adele de Soissons: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00196709&tree=LEO
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mathilde de Crecques: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106921&tree=LEO
  4. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Picquigny.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Aleidis van Oudenaarde: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106922&tree=LEO

Mathilde de Crecques1

F, #60995, d. after 1296
FatherAnselme II de Crecques2
MotherBeatrix de Guines2
Last Edited14 May 2009
     Mathilde de Crecques married Gerard II de Picquigny seigneur de Picquigny, vidame d'Amiens, son of Enguerrand I de Picquigny seigneur de Picquigny, vidame d'Amiens and Marguerite de Ponthieu, in 1246; his 3rs wife; her 1st husband.3,1,2 Mathilde de Crecques married Johan van Oudenaarde Heer van Oudenaarde en Rozoy, son of Arnold IV van Oudenaarde Heer van Oudenaarde and Pamele and Alix/Adelheid de Rozoy Dame de Rosoy, Beaucignies, Lessines, on 20 September 1254; his 2nd wife; her 2nd husband.1,2
Mathilde de Crecques died after 1296.1
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 35, 95.1

Family 2

Johan van Oudenaarde Heer van Oudenaarde en Rozoy d. bt 12 Dec 1293 - 30 Apr 1294
Child

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mathilde de Crecques: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106921&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Picquigny.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gerard II de Picquigny: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00295524&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Aleidis van Oudenaarde: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106922&tree=LEO

Alix de Vierzon Dame de Tournenfuy1

F, #60996, b. between 1210 and 1213, d. 3 December 1245
FatherHervé II (?) seigneur de Vierzon2 d. 5 Nov 1216
MotherMarie de Dampierre3 b. a 1197, d. 1236
Last Edited14 May 2009
     Alix de Vierzon Dame de Tournenfuy was born between 1210 and 1213.4 She married Gerard II de Picquigny seigneur de Picquigny, vidame d'Amiens, son of Enguerrand I de Picquigny seigneur de Picquigny, vidame d'Amiens and Marguerite de Ponthieu, in 1243; her 2nd husband; his 2nd wife.1,4
Alix de Vierzon Dame de Tournenfuy died on 3 December 1245.1
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XIII 143.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Alix de Vierzon: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00295994&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hervé III: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00358237&tree=LEO
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Marie de Dampierre-sur-l'Aube: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00140317&tree=LEO
  4. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Picquigny.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.

Everard Radulf van Oudenaarde Heer van Maarke1

M, #60997, d. 27 September 1215
FatherGilbert II (?) Heer van Oudenaarde1 b. bt 1164 - 1169, d. b 1182
MotherRichilde (?) de Tournai, Dame de Feignies1
Last Edited14 Jan 2004
     Everard Radulf van Oudenaarde Heer van Maarke died on 27 September 1215.1
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 95.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Everard Radulf van Oudenaarde: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00196693&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.

Gerard II (?)1

M, #60998, d. before 1154
MotherMathilda (?)2
Last Edited14 Jan 2004
     Gerard II (?) died before 1154.1
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: The Flemish Nobility before 1300 4 volumes, Dr. E. Warlop, Reference: 1036.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gerard II: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00163347&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mathilda: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00163349&tree=LEO
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Arnold III: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00163345&tree=LEO

Mathilda (?)1

F, #60999
FatherArnold II (?)2 b. c 1065, d. b 1110
Last Edited14 Jan 2004
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: The Flemish Nobility before 1300 4 volumes, Dr. E. Warlop, Reference: 1036.1 Mathilda (?) was living in 1110.1

Family

Child

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mathilda: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00163349&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Arnold II: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00163350&tree=LEO

Arnold II (?)1

M, #61000, b. circa 1065, d. before 1110
Last Edited14 Jan 2004
     Arnold II (?) was born circa 1065; mentioned.1
Arnold II (?) died before 1110.1
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: The Flemish Nobility before 1300 4 volumes, Dr. E. Warlop, Reference: 1036.1 He was living in 1095.1 He was Became a crusader in 1096.1

Family

Child

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Arnold II: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00163350&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.

Gilles d'Enghien chevalier1,2

M, #61001
FatherEngelbert IV d'Enghien chevalier, seigneur d’Enghien1,2,3 b. 1160, d. bt 22 Feb 1244 - 1246
MotherIda/Adelaide d'Avesnes1,4,5 b. 1180, d. 23 Sep 1216
Last Edited19 Jul 2020
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 78.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gilles d'Enghien: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00115603&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Enghien.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Englebert IV: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106869&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ida d'Avesnes: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020647&tree=LEO
  5. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Maison d’ Enghien, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Enghien.pdf

Marie d'Enghien1

F, #61002
FatherEngelbert IV d'Enghien chevalier, seigneur d’Enghien1,2 b. 1160, d. bt 22 Feb 1244 - 1246
MotherIda/Adelaide d'Avesnes b. 1180, d. 23 Sep 1216; Racines et Histoire says her mother was Ide d'Audenaerde1,3
Last Edited19 Jul 2020
     Marie d'Enghien was religieuse à Preuny.4

; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 78.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Marie d'Enghien: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00115604&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Englebert IV: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106869&tree=LEO
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ida d'Avesnes: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020647&tree=LEO
  4. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Enghien.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.

Engelbert V d'Enghien chevalier, châtelain de Mons, seigneur d’Havré1,2

M, #61003
FatherEngelbert IV d'Enghien chevalier, seigneur d’Enghien1,3 b. 1160, d. bt 22 Feb 1244 - 1246
MotherIda/Adelaide d'Avesnes1,4,5 b. 1180, d. 23 Sep 1216
Last Edited19 Jul 2020
     Engelbert V d'Enghien chevalier, châtelain de Mons, seigneur d’Havré married Juliane (Ide) de Mons, daughter of Gossuin de Mons.2
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: 1. The Plantagenet Ancestry Baltimore, 1975. , Lt.Col. W. H. Turton, Reference: 192,196
2. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 78.1 Engelbert V d'Enghien chevalier, châtelain de Mons, seigneur d’Havré was living in 1255.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Engelbert d'Enghien: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00115607&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Enghien.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Englebert IV: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106869&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ida d'Avesnes: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020647&tree=LEO
  5. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Maison d’ Enghien, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Enghien.pdf
  6. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Enghien.pdf, p. 11.

Arnould/Ernoul d'Enghien seigneur de Blaton1,2

M, #61004
FatherEngelbert IV d'Enghien chevalier, seigneur d’Enghien1,2,3 b. 1160, d. bt 22 Feb 1244 - 1246
MotherIda/Adelaide d'Avesnes1,4,5 b. 1180, d. 23 Sep 1216
Last Edited19 Jul 2020
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 78.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Arnould d'Enghien: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00115601&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Enghien.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Englebert IV: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106869&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ida d'Avesnes: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020647&tree=LEO
  5. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Maison d’ Enghien, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Enghien.pdf

Huwes/Huward d'Enghien1,2

M, #61005
FatherEngelbert IV d'Enghien chevalier, seigneur d’Enghien1,2,3,4 b. 1160, d. bt 22 Feb 1244 - 1246
MotherIda/Adelaide d'Avesnes1,5,6 b. 1180, d. 23 Sep 1216
Last Edited19 Jul 2020
     Huwes/Huward d'Enghien was chanoine de Tournai.2

; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 78.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Huwes d'Enghien: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00115602&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Enghien.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Englebert IV: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106869&tree=LEO
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#EngelbertIVEnghiendied1242. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ida d'Avesnes: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020647&tree=LEO
  6. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Maison d’ Enghien, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Enghien.pdf

Adeline/Adeleide/Améline d'Enghien1

F, #61006, b. circa 1205, d. after 1225
FatherEngelbert IV d'Enghien chevalier, seigneur d’Enghien2,3,4 b. 1160, d. bt 22 Feb 1244 - 1246
MotherIda/Adelaide d'Avesnes5,1,4 b. 1180, d. 23 Sep 1216
Last Edited5 Nov 2020
     Adeline/Adeleide/Améline d'Enghien was born circa 1205.6 She married Walter V/VI Berthout Heer van Mechelen, son of Walter V Berthout and Sophie (?), in 1220.6,7,8,9,4
Adeline/Adeleide/Améline d'Enghien died after 1225.7
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VIII 26.4 Adeline/Adeleide/Améline d'Enghien was also known as Adeluye/Adelive d'Enghien.7,4

; Per Med Lands:
     "ADELUYE d’Enghien (-after 1225). The late 13th century genealogy by Balduinus de Avennis records that "sororum…Sigeri de Einghen una…Adeluya" married "domino Waltero Bertolt advocato Macliniensi" and names their descendants[1383].
     "m WALTER [V] Bertout Heer van Mechelen, son of WALTER [IV] Berthout & his wife Sophie --- (-10 Apr 1243)."
Med Lands cites:
[1383] Balduinus de Avennis Genealogia, RHGF XIII, p. 562.7


; Per Racines et Histoire (Enghien): “2) Adeline (Adeleide, Améline) d’Enghien ° ~1205
     ép. 1220 Walter (Gauthier) Berthout, seigneur de Malines ° ~1190 + 10/04/1243”.1

; Per Med Lands:
     "WALTER [V] Berthout, son of WALTER [IV] Berthout & his wife Sophie --- (-10 Apr 1243). The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. Heer van Mechelen. "Walterus Bertholdus nobilis de Brabantia et dominus de Machlinia, domino Ægidio fratri suo…et filiis suis W. et H." donated property to the Teutonic Knights by charter dated 1226, signed by "…Egidius et Arnoldus filii nostri, Henricus de Duffle frater noster…"[1535]. “Walterus Bertoldus et Henricus frater ipsius necnon et Egidius filius domini Egidii Bertholdi” donated “usus...in silva nostra...Wavera...” to Grimbergen by charter dated Apr 1229, witnessed by “Egidius frater domini Walteri Bertoldi præfati...”[1536]. "Ægidius Bertholdus" founded the abbey of St Bernard near Antwerp, with the consent of "Walteri Bertholdi domini et consanguinei nostri", by charter dated end-Jan 1235 witnessed by "Ægidius Bertholdus pater noster, Waltherus Bertholdus, Henricus Bertholdus consanguinei nostri…mater nostra Catharina, uxor nostra Heluigis"[1537]. A charter dated 1238 records a peace agreement between "ducem Brabantie" and "nobilem virum Dominum Walterum Berthout", confirmed by the marriage of "dux consanguineam suam Mariam primogenitam sororis suæ comitissa de Alvernia" and "Waltero Berthout primogenito Walteri Berthout predicti"[1538].
     "m ADELUYE d’Enghien, daughter of ENGELBERT [III] Seigneur d’Enghien & his wife Ida [Adelaide] d’Avesnes (-after 1225). The late 13th century genealogy by Balduinus de Avennis records that "sororum…Sigeri de Einghen una…Adeluya" married "domino Waltero Bertolt advocato Macliniensi"[1539]. "Walterus dictus Bertholt dominus de Maglinia et Maria uxor eius" founded the monastery of Vallis by charter dated 1265, which refers to a donation made by "Waltero dicto Bertholt domino de Maglinia et eius uxori dominæ Adeloiæ" dated 1233[1540]."
Med Lands cites:
[1535] Foppens (1748), Tome IV, Pars II, LXXVI, p. 233.
[1536] Analectes pour servir à l’histoire ecclésiastique de la Belgique, Tome XI (1874), Documents extraits du cartulaire de Grimberghen, XXI, p. 35.
[1537] Miraeus (1723), Tome I, CIII, p. 115.
[1538] Butkens (1724), Vol. I, Preuves, p. 80, "Lettre tirée des chartes de Brabant".
[1539] Balduinus de Avennis Genealogia, RHGF XIII, p. 562.
[1540] Foppens (1734), Tome III, Pars I, CXLVIII, p. 124.9
She was living in 1225.4

Citations

  1. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Maison d’ Enghien, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Enghien.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Englebert IV: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106869&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#EngelbertIVEnghiendied1242. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adelive d'Enghien: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164687&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ida d'Avesnes: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020647&tree=LEO
  6. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Enghien.pdf, p. 3.
  7. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#AdeliveEnghienMWalterVBerthout
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Walter VI Berthout: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164686&tree=LEO
  9. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BRABANT,%20LOUVAIN.htm#WalterVBerthoutdied1243B.
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Egidius d'Enghien: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164685&tree=LEO
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hendrik Berthout: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00610434&tree=LEO

Walter V/VI Berthout Heer van Mechelen1,2

M, #61007, b. circa 1190, d. 10 April 1243
FatherWalter V Berthout3,4 d. a 1195
MotherSophie (?)3,5 d. a 1200
Last Edited3 Nov 2020
     Walter V/VI Berthout Heer van Mechelen was born circa 1190; Racines et Histoire says b. ca 1190; Genealogics says b. ca 1200.6,1 He married Adeline/Adeleide/Améline d'Enghien, daughter of Engelbert IV d'Enghien chevalier, seigneur d’Enghien and Ida/Adelaide d'Avesnes, in 1220.7,8,1,2,9
Walter V/VI Berthout Heer van Mechelen died on 10 April 1243.3,7,2
Walter V/VI Berthout Heer van Mechelen was buried after 10 April 1243 at Church of the Cordeliers (Malines), Mechelen, Arrondissement Mechelen, Antwerp (Antwerpen), Belgium,

; From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     unknown
     DEATH     10 Apr 1243
     Family Members
     Parents
          Gauthier Berthout de Malines unknown–1219
     Spouse
          Marguerite de Bretagne
     Children
          Gauthier Berthout de Malines unknown–1286
     BURIAL     Church of the Cordeliers (Malines), Mechelen, Arrondissement Mechelen, Antwerp (Antwerpen), Belgium
     Created by: T A W
     Added: 26 Mar 2015
     Find a Grave Memorial 144203580.10
     ; Per Med Lands:
     "ADELUYE d’Enghien (-after 1225). The late 13th century genealogy by Balduinus de Avennis records that "sororum…Sigeri de Einghen una…Adeluya" married "domino Waltero Bertolt advocato Macliniensi" and names their descendants[1383].
     "m WALTER [V] Bertout Heer van Mechelen, son of WALTER [IV] Berthout & his wife Sophie --- (-10 Apr 1243)."
Med Lands cites:
[1383] Balduinus de Avennis Genealogia, RHGF XIII, p. 562.8


; Per Racines et Histoire (Enghien): “2) Adeline (Adeleide, Améline) d’Enghien ° ~1205
     ép. 1220 Walter (Gauthier) Berthout, seigneur de Malines ° ~1190 + 10/04/1243”.6

; Per Genealogics:
     “Walter was the elder son of Walter V Berthout and his wife Sophie. He was a knight, enfeoffed with Malines for the Church of Liège and patron of the Church of Saint-Rombaud at Malines. With his wife Adelive d'Enghien, daughter of Englebert IV, sire d'Enghien, and Ida d'Avesnes, he had four sons and several daughters, of whom Walter VII and Egidus are recorded with progeny.
     “In 1223 he and Adelive founded the priory of Val des Lys (Leliëndael) at Humbeek near Malines. In 1226 he was on Crusade and wrote a letter from Damietta which was signed by his sons Gilles and Arnold. In 1231 he invited Franciscans from Italy to establish a convent at Malines.
     “In 1238 Walter signed an agreement with Hendrik II, duke of Brabant, to resolve difficulties that had arisen between the people of Malines, those of Brabant and particularly of the marquisate of Anvers. To seal their accord the duke gave his niece Marie d'Auvergne, daughter of his sister Aleidis of Brabant and Guillaume IX, comte d'Auvergne, in marriage to Walter's son Walter VII. The wedding was celebrated at the castle of Louvain on 11 December 1238.
     “Walter died on 10 April 1243, and was buried in the choir of the Franciscan church at Malines.”.1

; This is the same person as ”Gauthier V Berthout” at at Wikipédia (FR).11 Walter V/VI Berthout Heer van Mechelen was also known as Walter (Gauthier) Berthout seigneur de Malines.7

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VIII 26.1

; Per Med Lands:
     "WALTER [V] Berthout, son of WALTER [IV] Berthout & his wife Sophie --- (-10 Apr 1243). The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. Heer van Mechelen. "Walterus Bertholdus nobilis de Brabantia et dominus de Machlinia, domino Ægidio fratri suo…et filiis suis W. et H." donated property to the Teutonic Knights by charter dated 1226, signed by "…Egidius et Arnoldus filii nostri, Henricus de Duffle frater noster…"[1535]. “Walterus Bertoldus et Henricus frater ipsius necnon et Egidius filius domini Egidii Bertholdi” donated “usus...in silva nostra...Wavera...” to Grimbergen by charter dated Apr 1229, witnessed by “Egidius frater domini Walteri Bertoldi præfati...”[1536]. "Ægidius Bertholdus" founded the abbey of St Bernard near Antwerp, with the consent of "Walteri Bertholdi domini et consanguinei nostri", by charter dated end-Jan 1235 witnessed by "Ægidius Bertholdus pater noster, Waltherus Bertholdus, Henricus Bertholdus consanguinei nostri…mater nostra Catharina, uxor nostra Heluigis"[1537]. A charter dated 1238 records a peace agreement between "ducem Brabantie" and "nobilem virum Dominum Walterum Berthout", confirmed by the marriage of "dux consanguineam suam Mariam primogenitam sororis suæ comitissa de Alvernia" and "Waltero Berthout primogenito Walteri Berthout predicti"[1538].
     "m ADELUYE d’Enghien, daughter of ENGELBERT [III] Seigneur d’Enghien & his wife Ida [Adelaide] d’Avesnes (-after 1225). The late 13th century genealogy by Balduinus de Avennis records that "sororum…Sigeri de Einghen una…Adeluya" married "domino Waltero Bertolt advocato Macliniensi"[1539]. "Walterus dictus Bertholt dominus de Maglinia et Maria uxor eius" founded the monastery of Vallis by charter dated 1265, which refers to a donation made by "Waltero dicto Bertholt domino de Maglinia et eius uxori dominæ Adeloiæ" dated 1233[1540]."
Med Lands cites:
[1535] Foppens (1748), Tome IV, Pars II, LXXVI, p. 233.
[1536] Analectes pour servir à l’histoire ecclésiastique de la Belgique, Tome XI (1874), Documents extraits du cartulaire de Grimberghen, XXI, p. 35.
[1537] Miraeus (1723), Tome I, CIII, p. 115.
[1538] Butkens (1724), Vol. I, Preuves, p. 80, "Lettre tirée des chartes de Brabant".
[1539] Balduinus de Avennis Genealogia, RHGF XIII, p. 562.
[1540] Foppens (1734), Tome III, Pars I, CXLVIII, p. 124.2

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Walter VI Berthout: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164686&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BRABANT,%20LOUVAIN.htm#WalterVBerthoutdied1243B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Walter VI Berthout: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164686&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Walter V Berthout: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164688&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sophie: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164689&tree=LEO
  6. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Maison d’ Enghien, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Enghien.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  7. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Enghien.pdf, p. 3.
  8. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#AdeliveEnghienMWalterVBerthout
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adelive d'Enghien: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164687&tree=LEO
  10. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com: accessed 9 August 2020), memorial page for Gauthier Berthout de Malines V (unknown–10 Apr 1243), Find a Grave Memorial no. 144203580, citing Church of the Cordeliers (Malines), Mechelen, Arrondissement Mechelen, Antwerp (Antwerpen), Belgium; Maintained by T A W (contributor 47553735), at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/144203580/gauthier-berthout_de_malines. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.
  11. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Gauthier V Berthout: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gauthier_V_Berthout. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  12. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Egidius d'Enghien: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164685&tree=LEO
  13. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hendrik Berthout: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00610434&tree=LEO

Egidius Berthout Heer van Humbeek1

M, #61008
FatherWalter V/VI Berthout Heer van Mechelen1,2,3 b. c 1190, d. 10 Apr 1243
MotherAdeline/Adeleide/Améline d'Enghien1,4 b. c 1205, d. a 1225
Last Edited9 Aug 2020
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VIII 26.1 Egidius Berthout Heer van Humbeek was living in 1219.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Egidius d'Enghien: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164685&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Walter VI Berthout: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164686&tree=LEO
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BRABANT,%20LOUVAIN.htm#WalterVBerthoutdied1243B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adelive d'Enghien: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164687&tree=LEO

Englebert III d'Enghien chevalier, seigneur d’Enghien,1,2,3

M, #61009, b. circa 1150, d. between 1193 and 1205
FatherHuwes I (Hugues) d'Enghien seigneur d’Enghien, Lembeek, Tubize, (Rameru), et La Folie4,5,6,3,7 b. 1120, d. a 1190
MotherBeatrix (?)6,5,7
ReferenceEDV24
Last Edited5 Nov 2020
     Englebert III d'Enghien chevalier, seigneur d’Enghien, married Elisabeth de Trazégnies, daughter of Otton II de Trazegnies de Blicquy and Mathildes de Neyghem Voogdes van Meerbeek.3,5,8 Englebert III d'Enghien chevalier, seigneur d’Enghien, was born circa 1150.1 He married Elizabeth van de Aa, daughter of Leon II van de Aa and Mathilde (?), before 1155.9
Englebert III d'Enghien chevalier, seigneur d’Enghien, died between 1193 and 1205; Racines et Histoire (Enghien) says d. 1193; Med Lands says d. 10 Dec. 1193; Wikipédia (Fr.) says d. 1205.1,7,10
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 78.3 EDV-25.

; Per Racines et Histoire (Enghien): “Englebert II + 1193 chevalier, (? co-)seigneur d’Enghien, Avoué de Tubize et de Castres, X contre le duc de Limbourg (prise d’Arlon) (tente de rattacher Enghien au Brabant : son château est alors pris d’assaut et rasé par Baudouin V, comte de Hainaut)
     ép. Elisabeth de Trazegnies ° avant 1170 + 1195 (fille d’Othon II et de Marguerite d’Allodio) (donation de 6 bionniers de terre sis à Anderlecht à l’Abbaye de Forest)”.5

; Per Med Lands:
     "ENGELBERT [II] d’Enghien, son of HUGUES d’Enghien & his wife Beatrix --- (-Ninove 10 Dec 1193, bur Ninove). “Hugo de Adengem et v filii eius...Gozuinus, Ingelbertus, Nicholaus, Sigerus, Bonefacius et frater eius, Hainnerus, Gozuinus...” witnessed the charter dated to [1146/48] under which “Reinsuendis uxor Alardi Hasbenium...” donated property to Eename[1245]. A charter dated to 1166 records that “Hugo Angiensis cum filiis Gosuino, Engelberto, Sigero et Bonifacio” built “arcem apud Angiam”[1246]. Engelbert and Boniface were presumably the two unnamed brothers of Gossuin who witnessed the following document: “Walterus de Brussella filius Leonii de A” donated property “in parochia Anderlechtensi” to Affligem by charter dated 1168, witnessed by “…Gosuinus de Adengem et duo fratres eius…”[1247]. The Chronicon Hanoniense records "...Gossuinus de Aenghien, Engelbertus et Bonifacius fratres eius..." among the knights who served Baudouin V Comte de Hainaut in the war with “Henricus comes Namurcensis et Lusceleborch”, dated to 1172[1248]. “Walterus de Bruxella filius…Leonii” donated “decimam quandam successione hereditaria…apud Anderlecht Dilbeke Pede et apud A”, shared with “domina Hildegarde et nepotibus eius de Sottengem”, to Afflighem, with the consent of “Godescalco de Moreameis nepote meo et aliis coheredibus meis castellano…de Bruxella et filio eius Godefrido Ingelberto de Adengem et filio eius Hugone”, by charter dated 1173[1249]. “Engelbertus de Adinghe, Walterus de Adinghe, Gerardus, Nicholaus, fratres eiusdem Walteri…” witnessed the 1180 charter under which Roger Bishop of Cambrai confirmed donations to Ghislenghien, including the donation of “allodium suum quod adiacet ville de Polleirs” made by “Gossuinus de Adinghe et Gilla uxoris eius” with the consent of “Walteri de Aa et Elizabeth sororis eius, qui eiusdem allodii heredes erant iure successionis”[1250]. “Goswini de Adengem, Ingelberti fratris eius, Walteri et Gerardi fratrum” witnessed the charter dated 1 May 1185 under which “Osto de Trasenis” settled a dispute in favour of Ninove[1251]. Seigneur d’Enghien: “Gossuinus et Ingelbertus fratres et domini de Adengem, Gerardus de Adengem et filius eius Walterus” witnessed a charter dated 1186[1252]. “Dominus Ingelbertus de Adenghem, Walterus et Gerardus de Adengem, Ingelbertus filius eius” witnessed a charter dated 1189[1253]. Giselbert’s Chronicon Hanoniense records that Baudouin V Comte de Hainaut besieged Enghien castle after “Engleberto de Aenghien” swore allegiance to “ducem Lovaniensi contra comitem Hanoniensem”, the dispute being settled in favour of the Comte de Hainaut, dated to 1191[1254]. “Dominus Ingelbertus de Adenghem” donated land “apud Hartbecam” [Herbecq] to Ninove, with the consent of “domina Elisabeth et liberi sui Ingelbertus et Gisla et Ida uxor Ingelberti”, while “eadem Elisabeth“ also promised to obtain the consent of “Wilhelmo genero suo et uxore suo”, by charter dated [2] Dec 1193, the same document recording that eight days later “præfatus dominus Ingelbertus” died “in Ninive” where he was buried and where “uxore et filiis eius Ingelberto et Gisla et uxore Ingelberti” placed their donation on the altar, witnessed by “Gerardo et Arnulfo de Grimbergis, Impino de Otingem et Impino filio eius, et fratre eius Sigero, et filiis Gerardi de Adengem, Ingelberto, Gerardo et Arnaldo de Hautcrois et filiis suis”[1255]. The necrology of Ninove records the death “IV Id Dec” of “Ingelberti de Adenghem” and his donation of land “apud Hartbeke”[1256]. [Baudouin IX Count of Flanders granted himself “advocatiam” of Ninove and confirmed many donations, including the donation of “quatuor bonaria terræ” made by “Ingelbertus de Adenghem” with the consent of “filii sui Ingelberti”, by charter dated 1201[1257]. It is assumed that this donation was made many years earlier by Engelbert [II] and his son.]
     "m ([before 1155?]) ELISABETH [van de Aa, daughter of LEON [II] van de Aa & his wife Mathilde ---] ([before 1140?]-[Dec 1193/1214]). She is named in the following document: [her son] “Engelbertus dominus de Aienghien” confirmed the donation of "vi bonaria quæ jacent in parochia Anderlechtensi" to Voorst abbey made by "Elisabeth mater mea piæ memoriæ" by charter dated 1214, witnessed by [her great nephew, grandson of her sister, and her nephew, son of her brother Walter] “Castellani de Bruxella, Leonii domini de Aa...”[1258]. Her marriage date is suggested based on the likely birth date of her son Hugues, shown below, which in turn suggests her approximate date of birth. “Dominus Ingelbertus de Adenghem” donated land “apud Hartbecam” to Ninove, with the consent of “domina Elisabeth et liberi sui Ingelbertus et Gisla et Ida uxor Ingelberti”, while “eadem Elisabeth“ also promised to obtain the consent of “Wilhelmo genero suo et uxore suo”, by charter dated [2] Dec 1193, the same document recording that eight days later “præfatus dominus Ingelbertus” died “in Ninive” where he was buried and where “uxore et filiis eius Ingelberto et Gisla et uxore Ingelberti” placed their donation on the altar[1259]. She was named as deceased in her son’s 1214 charter quoted above.
     "Her suggested parentage is indicated by reading the following five documents together:
     "(1) the 1173 contract under which [her supposed brother] “Walterus de Bruxella filius…Leonii” donated “decimam quandam successione hereditaria…apud Anderlecht Dilbeke Pede et apud A”, shared with “domina Hildegarde et nepotibus eius de Sottengem”, to Afflighem, with the consent of “Godescalco de Moreameis nepote meo et aliis coheredibus meis castellano…de Bruxella et filio eius Godefrido Ingelberto de Adengem [Elisabeth’s husband] et filio eius Hugone”[1260];
     "(2) the 1180 charter under which “Walterus et amita mea domina Gisla de Aingem” donated rights “in…allodio nostro in Pedhe…” to Grimbergen[1261];
     "(3) the 1180 charter under which Roger Bishop of Cambrai confirmed donations to Ghislenghien, including the donation of “allodium suum quod adiacet ville de Polleirs” made by “Gossuinus de Adinghe et Gilla uxoris eius” with the consent of “Walteri de Aa et Elizabeth sororis eius, qui eiusdem allodii heredes erant iure successionis”, witnessed by “Engelbertus de Adinghe…”[1262];
     "(4) the 26 Aug 1178 charter under which [the son of Elisabeth’s sister] “Godefridus fili[us] Franconis castellanis de Bruxella” confirmed all donations made by “pater eius…ad sepulturam patris sui”, including “advocatiam…de Catthem…medietatem villæ de Strithem…quæ avus suus apud Seneffiam nobis contulit”, to Ninove, witnessed by [her brother] “…D[omi]nus Galterus de Pollar avu[N]culus Godefridi…”[1263]; and
     "(5) Godefroi Duke of Brabant, at the request of "domina Berta de Anderlecht..cum filiis suis Gerardo…Wilelmo et Arnulfo et duobus generis Waltero…de Crainhem, Oliverio de Gest, et Herardo de Hidengem qui sororem eius duxit uxorem", donated “allodii...inter Woluesem et Bygardis” to "ecclesiæ sanctæ Mariæ in Bigardis" by charter dated 1143, which records that "dominus Leonius [Leon [I], see above] cum filiis suis Bernerus de Morcella cum filiis suis Gerardus de Sottenghem cum filiis suis" renounced rights[1264].

     "Based on these charters, the logic leading to the suggested conclusion about Elisabeth’s parentage is summarised in seven steps as follows:
     "(a) charter (1) indicates that Walter van de Aa and the other named persons together inherited Anderlecht, Dilbeke, Pede and Aa from a common ancestor (male or female line not specified);
     "(b) charter (2) records that Walter and his aunt Gisla held Pede together, inherited therefore from one of Gisla’s parents, Leon [I] van de Aa/de Bruxelles or his wife;
     "(c) charter (3) indicates that Gisla, Walter, and Walter’s sister Elisabeth inherited Pollare together, also therefore inherited from one of Gisla’s parents;
     "(d) charter (4) indicates that the mother of Godefroy Châtelain de Bruxelles, named with his father in charter (1), was Walter’s sister (assuming that avunculus in that document is interpreted in its strict sense of maternal uncle);
     "(e) charter (3) suggests that Walter’s sister Elisabeth was closely connected with the Enghien family as indicated by the witness list, suggesting that she was not the same person as the unnamed mother of Godefroy Châtelain de Bruxelles;
     "(f) while the terms amita and avunculus were sometimes used loosely to indicate maternal or paternal aunt/uncle (or even a more distant family relationship)[1265], the above analysis is consistent with “amita” in charter (2) and “avunculus” in charter (4) being interpreted in their strict sense of paternal aunt and maternal uncle respectively; and
     "(g) charter (5) provides a further indication that Walter inherited the package of properties mentioned in the other charters from one of his paternal grandparents. The reference to “dominus Leonius cum filiis suis” suggests that this was his paternal grandmother: his sons (one of whom was Walter’s father) were referenced probably because they had inherited the rights in question from their mother (also the mother of Gisla) and that their father was named to represent their interests presumably because they were minors at the time.

     "One difficulty with this hypothesis is the apparent absence of the name Leon among Elisabeth’s known Enghien descendants. An alternative possibility could help explain that absence: Elisabeth (as well as her older sister, wife of Franco [III] Châtelain de Bruxelles) could have been the daughters of Walter’s aunt Gisla, by an unrecorded first marriage. Such a possibility appears consistent with the seven logical steps outlined above, except step (d) unless the term “avunculus” in charter (4) was used in an extended sense. It would also explain Elisabeth naming her daughter Gisèle/Gisla. In this alternative case, Walter’s sister Elisabeth may have been the widow of Arnaud [III] de Morialmes.
     "
It should be noted that Butkens’s inaccurate transcription of the Mar 1224 (O.S.) testament of her son Engelbert [III] incorrectly suggests a connection between Elisabeth and the Trazegnies family: the sealing clause, as transcribed by Butkens, specified "sigillum Sigeri filii mei et sigillum Ostonis patrui mei cum meo"[1266], while the original reads “sigillum Sigeri filii mei et sigillum Ostonis Patrui cum meo”[1267], indicating that the second seal belonged to Oste [III] de Trazegnies Seigneur de Seigneur de Contrecœur/Wedergraet (in other documents named “Osto...dictus avunculus”, see Chapter 9.B of the present document), not that “Ostonis” was “patruus” of the testator."
Med Lands cites:
[1245] Eename, 375, p. 357, dating at (3 Apr 2020).
[1246] Roobaert & Vanhollebeke ‘Le Liber Chronotaxis’ (2003), Annexe A, p. 17.
[1247] (11 Apr 2020.
[1248] Gisleberti Chronicon Hanoniense, MGH SS XXI, pp. 522-3.
[1249] < https://www.diplomata-belgica.be/charter_details_fr.php?dibe_id=1981> (4 Apr 2020).
[1250] Van De Perre ‘De middeleeuwse geschiedenis van Pollare’ (2017), Bijlage 1, p. 194.
[1251] Ninove, LII, p. 788.
[1252] Roobaert & Vanhollebeke ‘Le Liber Chronotaxis’ (2003), Tableau, p. 22, citing “acte 16, p. 128” [AE Gand, Abbaye Ninove, 70, fo. 128, 1186/16].
[1253] Roobaert & Vanhollebeke ‘Le Liber Chronotaxis’ (2003), Tableau, p. 23, citing “acte 6, p. 143” [AE Gand, Abbaye Ninove, 70, fo. 143, 1189/6].
[1254] Gisleberti Chronicon Hanoniense, MGH SS XXI, p. 576.
[1255] Van De Perre ‘De middeleeuwse geschiedenis van Pollare’ (2017), Bijlage 2, p. 196.
[1256] Van De Perre ‘De middeleeuwse geschiedenis van Pollare’ (2017), p. 197, citing Van De Perre, D. (2008) Het necrologium van de Sint-Cornelius en Sint-Cyprianusabdij te Ninove (Averbode), p. 177, text at Delporte, L. (2019) Le necrologium de l’abbaye Saint-Corneille et Saint-Cyprien de Ninove, consulted at (4 Apr 2020).
[1257] Præmonstratensis Annales (1736), Tome II, Probationes, col. ccxxxviii.
[1258] Miraeus (1723), Tome I, Notitia Ecclesiarum Belgii, CLXXXII, p. 757.
[1259] Van De Perre ‘De middeleeuwse geschiedenis van Pollare’ (2017), Bijlage 2, p. 196.
[1260] (4 Apr 2020).
[1261] De Ridder, C. B.. ‘Quelques mots sur le lieu de naissance de Sainte Reinelde’, Analectes pour servir à l’Histoire ecclésiastique de la Belgique, Tome IX (Louvain, Bruxelles 1872), p. 44.
[1262] Van De Perre, D. ‘De middeleeuwse geschiedenis van Pollare’, Het Land van Alst, Tome 69 (2017), Bijlage 1, p. 194, consulted at (3 Apr 2020).
[1263] Archives de l’Etat à Gand, Abbaye de Ninove, no. 70, fo. 74, 1178/acte 6 (copy of text sent to the author by Luc Delporte 7 Apr 2020).
[1264] Foppens (1734), Tome III, Pars I, XLVIII, p. 44.
[1265] Cawley ‘Relationship terms in medieval Latin’ (2015), pp. 30-4.
[1266] Butkens (1724), Vol. II, p. 114.
[1267] Vanhollebeke, J. J. ‘Le testament d’Engelbert d’Enghien (mars 1225 N.S.)’, Annales du Cercle archéologique d’Enghien, Tome 38 (2004), Annexe, pp. 21-2.7

; Per Med Lands:
     "The town of Enghien (Edinghem in Flemish) is located about 25 kilometres south-west of Brussels, and about 40 kilometres north-west of Charleroi, in the present-day Belgian province of Hainaut. The medieval seigneurial family, fiefs of the Comtes de Hainaut, emerged from obscure beginnings in the late 11th/early 12th century, the surviving records only showing use of the seigneurial title from the late 13th century. Matthieu’s late 19th century history of Enghien summarises the local topography and the ancient fortifications, as well as some early recorded mentions of the place[1157], but his descriptions of the early generations of the family are unreliable. Delporte dismisses the existence of Anselme d’Enghien, supposed participant in the First Crusade, as fantasy based on fabricated sources[1158]."
Med Lands cites:
[1157] Matthieu, E. (1876) Histoire de la ville d’Enghien (Mons), pp. 12-37.
[1158] Delporte, L. ‘Anselme d’Enghien (fin Xie s.) ; un personnage légendaire!’, Bulletin trimestriel du Cercle Archéologique d’Enghien, no. 24 (Sep 1999), pp. 470-5.



NB: There is uncertainty concerning the early generations of the d'Enghien family. I have found the following theories so far:
I. Wikipédia (Fr.) shows the first five generations as :
I.1. Ansiaul qui prit part à la première croisade en 109632. Il était peut-être le père de33 :
     I.2. Englebert Ier, sire d'Enghien33,34 (° 1065), « vir nobilis », compagnon de Baudouin IV de Hainaut, l'édificateur35. Il scella une charte à propos de l'église de Soignies en 109236. Il eut pour fils :
          I.3. Englebert II d'Enghien (° 1090)
               I.4. Hugues Ier d'Enghien (1120-1190), seigneur d'Enghien, Lembeek, Tubize, (Rameru), La Folie. Il acheva le château d'Enghien, élevé par son père. Il fit hommage de sa seigneurie à Godefroid duc de Brabant en 1154 ce qui indigna Baudouin comte de Hainaut qui l'assiégea dans son château afin qu'il rétracte son hommage4. Il épousa Jeanne de Luxembourg
                    I.5. Englebert III d'Enghien (1140-1205)

See attached descendancy and related citations and sources for the Enghien family from Wikipédia (Fr.)


II. Genealogics does not identify Ansiaulm, but shows the remaining generations to match Wikipédia (Fr.):
II.1. (unstated)
     II.2. Englebert I, Sire d'Enghien [1]
          II.3. Englebert II, Sire d'Enghien [1.1] Descendancy chart to this point
Béatrix
               II.4. Huwes I, Sire d'Enghien d. Aft 1190
                    II.5. Englebert III, Sire d'Enghien m. Elisabeth de Trazegnies



III. Med Lands does not identify Ansiaul, and shows other major differences from Wikipédia (Fr.) and Genealogics. Med Lands starts by identifying two separate individuals, without a stated relationship:
1. ENGELBERT [I] d’Enghien (-after 1092).
2. BONIFACE [I] d’Enghien (-after 1117)

Then Med Lands identifies "Two brothers. Their parents have not been identified, but the names of Hugues’s children Engelbert and Boniface suggest a close relationship with the two persons named above. The [1133] donation, cited below, of land in the same location by the Chin and Enghien families suggests some family connection, maybe through their mother."
The rest of the family are identified as:
III.1. (unstated)
     III.2. (Engelbert I? Boniface I?)
          III.3. HUGUES d’Enghien (-after 1166) m. Béatrix
               III.4. ENGELBERT [II] d’Enghien, son of HUGUES d’Enghien & his wife Beatrix, m. Elizabeth [van de Aa]
                    III.5. ENGELBERT [III] d’Enghien (-22 Feb [1244/46]), m. Ida/Adelaide d'Avesnes

(Note: separately, Med Lands says, "The precise relationship between the Enghien and Trazegnies families has not been traced.".)


IV. Racines et Histoire (Maison d'Enghien) comes closer to Med Lands in its presentation. It mentions Ansiaul as the progenitor, but shows the link from him to Englebert I as very tenuous. (See attached image of the relevant pages from Racines and Histoire). Racines et HIstoire shows:
IV.1. Ansiaul
     IV.2. Englebert 1er ° ~1065/70

Racines et histoire then shows:
          IV.3. (as the possible son of Englebert I or or Othon seigneur d'Enghien or of Boniface I, son of Englebert I) HUGUES d’Enghien (d. after 1166) m. Jeanne de Luxembourg or Béatrice-
               IV.4. ENGELBERT [II] d’Enghien (d. 1193) m. Elizabeth de Trazegnies (bef 1170-1195)
                    IV.5. ENGELBERT [III] d’Enghien (b. ca 1160 d. 23/02/1244), m1. Ide (Adelaïde, Adelheide) d’Audenaerde, m2. Ide d’Avesnes



Conclusion:
     Genealogics and Wikipédia (Fr.) have inserted one generation (Englebert II - I.3 and II.3) between Englebert I (I.2 and II.2) and Huwes/Hugues (I.4 and II.4), when compared to Med Lands and Racines et Histoire. It then seems that the Englebert III (m. Elisabeth de Trazegnies) shown by Genealogics/Wikipédia (Fr.) is the same person as the Engelbert II shown by Med Lands (m. Elizabeth [van de Aa]) and Racines et Histoire (m. Elizabeth de Trazegnies).
     After considering the available information, I have left Ansiaul in the lineage, and have otherwise chosen to follow the descendancy as shown by Genealogics and Wikipédia (Fr.), though I have relied on Med Lands and Racines et Histoire for many of the other details. The extra Englebert, between Engleber I and Huwes/Hugues I, means there the various Engleberts are numbered differently in different sources. My numbering follows Genealogics and Wikipédia (Fr.) GA Vaut.10,6,11,12,13,5

; Per Med Lands:
     "ELISABETH van de Aa (-after 1180). Her parentage is confirmed by the 1180 charter quoted below which names Elisabeth as the sister of Walter van de Aa. [same person as...? ELISABETH ([before 1140?]-[Dec 1193/1214]). This suggested co-identity and Elisabeth’s marriage are indicated by reading the following five documents together:
     "(1) the 1173 contract under which [her supposed brother] “Walterus de Bruxella filius…Leonii” donated “decimam quandam successione hereditaria…apud Anderlecht Dilbeke Pede et apud A”, shared with “domina Hildegarde et nepotibus eius de Sottengem”, to Afflighem, with the consent of “Godescalco de Moreameis nepote meo et aliis coheredibus meis castellano…de Bruxella et filio eius Godefrido Ingelberto de Adengem [Elisabeth’s husband] et filio eius Hugone”[960];
     "(2) the 1180 charter under which “Walterus et amita mea domina Gisla de Aingem” donated rights “in…allodio nostro in Pedhe…” to Grimbergen[961];
     "(3) the 1180 charter under which Roger Bishop of Cambrai confirmed donations to Ghislenghien, including the donation of “allodium suum quod adiacet ville de Polleirs” made by “Gossuinus de Adinghe et Gilla uxoris eius” with the consent of “Walteri de Aa et Elizabeth sororis eius, qui eiusdem allodii heredes erant iure successionis”, witnessed by “Engelbertus de Adinghe…”[962];
     "(4) the 26 Aug 1178 charter under which [the son of Elisabeth’s sister] “Godefridus fili[us] Franconis castellanis de Bruxella” confirmed all donations made by “pater eius…ad sepulturam patris sui”, including “advocatiam…de Catthem…medietatem villæ de Strithem…quæ avus suus apud Seneffiam nobis contulit”, to Ninove, witnessed by [her brother] “…D[omi]nus Galterus de Pollar avu[N]culus Godefridi…”[963]; and
     "(5) Godefroi Duke of Brabant, at the request of "domina Berta de Anderlecht..cum filiis suis Gerardo…Wilelmo et Arnulfo et duobus generis Waltero…de Crainhem, Oliverio de Gest, et Herardo de Hidengem qui sororem eius duxit uxorem", donated “allodii...inter Woluesem et Bygardis” to "ecclesiæ sanctæ Mariæ in Bigardis" by charter dated 1143, which records that "dominus Leonius [Leon [I], see above] cum filiis suis Bernerus de Morcella cum filiis suis Gerardus de Sottenghem cum filiis suis" renounced rights[964].

     "Based on these charters, the logic leading to the suggested conclusion about Elisabeth’s parentage is summarised in seven steps as follows:
     "(a) charter (1) indicates that Walter van de Aa and the other named persons together inherited Anderlecht, Dilbeke, Pede and Aa from a common ancestor (male or female line not specified);
     "(b) charter (2) records that Walter and his aunt Gisla held Pede together, inherited therefore from one of Gisla’s parents, Leon [I] van de Aa/de Bruxelles or his wife;
     "(c) charter (3) indicates that Gisla, Walter, and Walter’s sister Elisabeth inherited Pollare together, also therefore inherited from one of Gisla’s parents;
     "(d) charter (4) indicates that the mother of Godefroy Châtelain de Bruxelles, named with his father in charter (1), was Walter’s sister (assuming that avunculus in that document is interpreted in its strict sense of maternal uncle);
     "(e) charter (3) suggests that Walter’s sister Elisabeth was closely connected with the Enghien family as indicated by the witness list, suggesting that she was not the same person as the unnamed mother of Godefroy Châtelain de Bruxelles;
     "(f) while the terms amita and avunculus were sometimes used loosely to indicate maternal or paternal aunt/uncle (or even a more distant family relationship)[965], the above analysis is consistent with “amita” in charter (2) and “avunculus” in charter (4) being interpreted in their strict sense of paternal aunt and maternal uncle respectively; and
     "(g) charter (5) provides a further indication that Walter inherited the package of properties mentioned in the other charters from one of his paternal grandparents. The reference to “dominus Leonius cum filiis suis” suggests that this was his paternal grandmother: his sons (one of whom was Walter’s father) were referenced probably because they had inherited the rights in question from their mother (also the mother of Gisla) and that their father was named to represent their interests presumably because they were minors at the time.

     "One difficulty with this hypothesis is the apparent absence of the name Leon among Elisabeth’s known Enghien descendants. An alternative possibility could help explain that absence: Elisabeth (as well as her older sister, wife of Franco [III] Châtelain de Bruxelles) could have been the daughter of Walter’s aunt Gisla, by an unrecorded first marriage. Such a possibility appears consistent with the seven logical steps outlined above, except step (d) unless the term “avunculus” in charter (4) was used in an extended sense. It would also explain Elisabeth naming her daughter Gisèle/Gisla. In this alternative case, Walter’s sister Elisabeth may have been the widow of Arnaud [III] de Morialmes.
     "Elisabeth’s marriage date is suggested based on the likely birth date of her son Hugues, which in turn suggests her approximate date of birth. “Dominus Ingelbertus de Adenghem” donated land “apud Hartbecam” to Ninove, with the consent of “domina Elisabeth et liberi sui Ingelbertus et Gisla et Ida uxor Ingelberti”, while “eadem Elisabeth“ also promised to obtain the consent of “Wilhelmo genero suo et uxore suo”, by charter dated [2] Dec 1193, the same document recording that eight days later “præfatus dominus Ingelbertus” died “in Ninive” where he was buried and where “uxore et filiis eius Ingelberto et Gisla et uxore Ingelberti” placed their donation on the altar[966]. She is named as deceased in the following document: [her son] “Engelbertus dominus de Aienghien” confirmed the donation of "vi bonaria quæ jacent in parochia Anderlechtensi" to Voorst abbey made by "Elisabeth mater mea piæ memoriæ" by charter dated 1214, witnessed by [her great nephew, grandson of her sister, and her nephew, son of her brother Walter] “Castellani de Bruxella, Leonii domini de Aa...”[967].
m ([before 1155?]) ENGELBERT [II] Seigneur d’Enghien, son of HUGUES d’Enghien & his wife Beatrix --- (-Ninove 10 Dec 1193, bur Ninove).]"
Med Lands cites:
[960] (4 Apr 2020).
[961] De Ridder, C. B.. ‘Quelques mots sur le lieu de naissance de Sainte Reinelde’, Analectes pour servir à l’Histoire ecclésiastique de la Belgique, Tome IX (Louvain, Bruxelles 1872), p. 44.
[962] Van De Perre, D. ‘De middeleeuwse geschiedenis van Pollare’, Het Land van Alst, Tome 69 (2017), Bijlage 1, p. 194, consulted at (3 Apr 2020).
[963] Archives de l’Etat à Gand, Abbaye de Ninove, no. 70, fo. 74, 1178/acte 6 (copy of text sent to the author by Luc Delporte 7 Apr 2020).
[964] Foppens (1734), Tome III, Pars I, XLVIII, p. 44.
[965] Cawley, C. ‘Was my aunt her grandmother’s niece? A guide to relationship terms in medieval Latin’, Foundations, Vol. 7 (2015), pp. 30-4.
[966] Van De Perre ‘De middeleeuwse geschiedenis van Pollare’ (2017), Bijlage 2, p. 196.
[967] Miraeus (1723), Tome I, Notitia Ecclesiarum Belgii, CLXXXII, p. 757.9

; NB: There is disagreement as to the wife of Englebert III.
     Genealogics says his wife was Elisabeth de Trazegnies, dau. of Otton II de Trazegnies.
     Med Lands says she was Elizabeth van de Aa, dau. of Leon II van de Aa. (See the separate Med Lands Note for Elizabeth van de Aa an extensive discussion of the evidence for Elizabeth van de Aa.)
     Wikipédia (Fr.) doesn't show a wife.
     Racines et Histoire (Enghien) says she was Elisabeth de Trazegnies dau. of Othon II.
Conclusion: I have chosen to assign Englebert III's wife, Elisabeth, as the dau. of Leon II van de Aa and his wife Mathilde. I have also chosen to assign Englebert's children to her. GA Vaut.3,7,10,5,13 He was living in 1200.3

Family 1

Elisabeth de Trazégnies b. b 1170, d. 1195

Citations

  1. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Enghien.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Enghien.pdf, p. 3.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Englebert III: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106867&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Huwes I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106865&tree=LEO
  5. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Maison d’ Enghien, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Enghien.pdf
  6. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#_Toc43030529. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  7. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#EngelbertIIIEnghiendied1200
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Elisabeth de Trazegnies: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106868&tree=LEO
  9. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm
  10. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Maison d'Enghien: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maison_d%27Enghien. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  11. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#_Toc43030531
  12. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, https://www.genealogics.org/descendtext.php?personID=I00106862&tree=LEO&display=block&generations=5
  13. [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 19 July 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."
  14. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Huwes II d'Enghien: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164685&tree=LEO
  15. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Maison d’ Enghien, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Enghien.pdf
  16. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Marie d'Enghien: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164685&tree=LEO
  17. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#EngelbertIVEnghiendied1242
  18. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Englebert IV: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106869&tree=LEO

Elisabeth de Trazégnies1,2

F, #61010, b. before 1170, d. 1195
FatherOtton II de Trazegnies de Blicquy2,3,4 b. c 1150, d. c 1192
MotherMathildes de Neyghem Voogdes van Meerbeek b. b 1155, d. bt 1201 - 1219; Racines et Histoire (Donzy, p. 5) says her mother was Marguerite d’Allodio2,3,5
Last Edited6 Aug 2020
     Elisabeth de Trazégnies married Englebert III d'Enghien chevalier, seigneur d’Enghien,, son of Huwes I (Hugues) d'Enghien seigneur d’Enghien, Lembeek, Tubize, (Rameru), et La Folie and Beatrix (?).6,7,3 Elisabeth de Trazégnies was born before 1170.2
Elisabeth de Trazégnies died in 1195.2
     ; Per Racines et Histoire (Enghien): “Englebert II + 1193 chevalier, (? co-)seigneur d’Enghien, Avoué de Tubize et de Castres, X contre le duc de Limbourg (prise d’Arlon) (tente de rattacher Enghien au Brabant : son château est alors pris d’assaut et rasé par Baudouin V, comte de Hainaut)
     ép. Elisabeth de Trazegnies ° avant 1170 + 1195 (fille d’Othon II et de Marguerite d’Allodio) (donation de 6 bionniers de terre sis à Anderlecht à l’Abbaye de Forest)”.7

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 78.3

; NB: There is disagreement as to the wife of Englebert III.
     Genealogics says his wife was Elisabeth de Trazegnies, dau. of Otton II de Trazegnies.
     Med Lands says she was Elizabeth van de Aa, dau. of Leon II van de Aa. (See the separate Med Lands Note for Elizabeth van de Aa an extensive discussion of the evidence for Elizabeth van de Aa.)
     Wikipédia (Fr.) doesn't show a wife.
     Racines et Histoire (Enghien) says she was Elisabeth de Trazegnies dau. of Othon II.
Conclusion: I have chosen to assign Englebert III's wife, Elisabeth, as the dau. of Leon II van de Aa and his wife Mathilde. I have also chosen to assign Englebert's children to her. GA Vaut.6,8,9,7,10

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Elisabeth de Trazegnies: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106868&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Enghien.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Elisabeth de Trazegnies: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106868&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Otton II de Trazegnies de Blicquy: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00040703&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mathilde de Neyghem: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00040704&tree=LEO
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Englebert III: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106867&tree=LEO
  7. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Maison d’ Enghien, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Enghien.pdf
  8. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#EngelbertIIIEnghiendied1200. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  9. [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Maison d'Enghien: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maison_d%27Enghien. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
  10. [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 19 July 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."

Huwes II (Hugues) d'Enghien1,2

M, #61011
FatherEnglebert III d'Enghien chevalier, seigneur d’Enghien,1,3,4,5 b. c 1150, d. bt 1193 - 1205
MotherElizabeth van de Aa5 d. a 1180
Last Edited19 Jul 2020
     Huwes II (Hugues) d'Enghien died; per Racines et Histoire d. before his father.2
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 78.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Huwes II d'Enghien: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164685&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Enghien.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Englebert III: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106867&tree=LEO
  4. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Maison d’ Enghien, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Enghien.pdf
  5. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#EngelbertIIIEnghiendied1200. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Marie d'Enghien1,2

F, #61012
FatherEnglebert III d'Enghien chevalier, seigneur d’Enghien,1,3,4 b. c 1150, d. bt 1193 - 1205
MotherElizabeth van de Aa5 d. a 1180
Last Edited19 Jul 2020
     Marie d'Enghien married Gossuin I d’Héripont.6,2
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 78.1

Family

Gossuin I d’Héripont d. c 1221

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Marie d'Enghien: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164685&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Enghien.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Maison d’ Enghien, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Enghien.pdf
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Englebert III: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106867&tree=LEO
  5. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#EngelbertIIIEnghiendied1200. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gossuin I de Héripont: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00115599&tree=LEO

Gossuin I d’Héripont1,2

M, #61013, d. circa 1221
Last Edited8 Aug 2010
     Gossuin I d’Héripont married Marie d'Enghien, daughter of Englebert III d'Enghien chevalier, seigneur d’Enghien, and Elizabeth van de Aa.1,2
Gossuin I d’Héripont died circa 1221.2
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 78.1 He was living in 1212.1

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gossuin I de Héripont: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00115599&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Enghien.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.

Otton II de Trazegnies de Blicquy1,2

M, #61014, b. circa 1150, d. circa 1192
FatherGilles I de Trazegnies Seigneur de Trazegnies3,4,5 b. c 1125, d. bt 1161 - 1162
MotherGeberge/Damisia de Landen6,4,5 d. a 1188
ReferenceEDV27
Last Edited6 Aug 2020
     Otton II de Trazegnies de Blicquy married Mathildes de Neyghem Voogdes van Meerbeek, daughter of Herbrand van Neigem avoué de Meerbeek;
Her 1st husband.4,7,8 Otton II de Trazegnies de Blicquy was born circa 1150.4
Otton II de Trazegnies de Blicquy died circa 1192 at Acre, HaTzafon (Northern District), Palestine (Israel now); Died on while on crusade; Med Lands says d. 1191/92 or 1193.4,7
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VIII 2.4 EDV-27.

; Per Genealogics:
     “Otton was born about 1150, the son of Gilles I de Blicquy and Gerberge de Landen. About 1176 he married Mathilde de Neyghem, Voogdes van Meerbeek. Of their children, Gilles II and Elisabeth would have progeny.
     “In 1186 Otton went on pilgrimage to the Holy Land, and in 1187 he brought back a piece purporting to be of the True Cross, that he offered to the abbey of Floreffe (the splendid reliquary made for it is in the Louvre. Another tradition claims that he brought back with him the design for windmills. In 1189 he left on crusade (probably with Philippe, count of Flanders) to recapture Jerusalem, which had been taken by Saladin after the Battle of Hattin in 1187. He fought between Jaffa and Ascalon on 6 November 1291 and was helped by Richard the Lionheart himself. In April 1192 he was appointed, with Henri II, comte de Champagne and Guillaume Cayeux, to offer the crown of Jerusalem to Conrad, marchese de Monferrato. However Conrad was assassinated on 26 April, and on 5 May Otton attended the wedding of Conrad's widow Isabella d'Anjou, queen of Jerusalem, and Henri II, comte de Champagne, who became king of Jerusalem by right of his wife.
     “Otton died later that year, probably killed in the siege of Acre.”. Otton II de Trazegnies de Blicquy was also known as Oste II de Trazegnies Seigneur de Trazegnies.7

; Per Med Lands:
     "OSTE [II] de Trazegnies, son of GILLES [I] [Seigneur] de Trazegnies & his wife Gerberge [Damisia] de Landines [Landen] (-[Acre] [1191/92] or 1193). Pierre Bishop-elect of Cambrai confirmed that “Egidium de Trasignies” had “per manum domni Nicholai pie memorie predecessoris nostri et Balduini Hainoniensis comitis” donated land and rights “in nemore de Geterlau” to Cambron, and that “posteaquam idem Egidius factus est de medio, filius eius Hosto” approved his father’s donation with the approval of “Sigeri fratris sui”, by charter dated 1173[2268]. "…Otto de Trasennies…" witnessed the marriage contract dated 1179 between "Comitem Flandriæ Philippum…Mathildis neptis comitis" and "ducem Lovaniæ Godefridum…Henrici filii ducis"[2269]. “Osto miles de Trasingeis” donated various decima to Floreffe, in the same way as “avus meus Hosto et pater meus Egidius”, by charter dated 4 Apr 1184, witnessed by “mater mea Damisia, Sigerus frater meus, Richardus et Gerardus de Rohenia cognati mei, Wilhelmus de Hutange, Heinricus de Birbais...”[2270]. Seigneur de Trazegnies. “Godefridus...dux Lovaniensis et...Heinricus comes Namurcensis et...Balduinus comes Hainacensis” confirmed the donation of various decima to Floreffe made by “dominus Hosto de Trazingeis” with the consent of “uxoris sue Mathildis et primogeniti sui Egidii et reliquorum filiorum ac filiarum suarum”, including “tertiam apud Herlaimont” where “domini Egidii patris ipsius” was buried, by charter dated 1188, in the presence of “Eustachius de Ruez, Richaldus de Roenia...Gebergis mater eiusdem Hostonis...”[2271]. Baudouin V Comte de Hainaut confirmed the donation of “terre...in territorio de Abechies” to Cambron made by “Ostonem de Silli...et uxor sua Mathildis et liberi sui” by charter dated 1189[2272]. The Chronicon Hanoniense names "Osto de Trasiniis" among those who died in Palestine in [1191], presumably at the siege of Acre[2273]. Straten Ponthoz records the death of Oste [II] in 1193[2274]. If this date is correct, he presumably died after returning from crusade, but no primary source has been identified which confirms that this supposition is correct and that the Chronicon Hanoniense incorrectly records his death in Palestine.
     "m ([1170 or before?]) MATHILDE de l’Alleud [“de Allodio”/”Eigene”/”van Neigem”], daughter of [HERBRAND avoué de Meerbeek & his wife ---] ([before 1155?]-after 1201). Her date of marriage is estimated based on the suggested birth dates of her children, although the date seems early when compared to the estimated birth date of her father-in-law (see above). “Godefridus...dux Lovaniensis et...Heinricus comes Namurcensis et...Balduinus comes Hainacensis” confirmed the donation of various decima to Floreffe made by “dominus Hosto de Trazingeis” with the consent of “uxoris sue Mathildis et primogeniti sui Egidii et reliquorum filiorum ac filiarum suarum”, including “tertiam apud Herlaimont” where “domini Egidii patris ipsius” was buried, by charter dated 1188, in the presence of “Eustachius de Ruez, Richaldus de Roenia...Gebergis mater eiusdem Hostonis...”[2275]. Baudouin V Comte de Hainaut confirmed the donation of “terre...in territorio de Abechies” to Cambron made by “Ostonem de Silli...et uxor sua Mathildis et liberi sui” by charter dated 1189[2276]. Straten Ponthoz names her “Mathilde de Allodio ou den Eygen, ou de Kiévrain selon les généalogistes”, naming her father “Herbrand chevalier, voué de Meerbeck”[2277]. No source is cited which confirms her father’s name, although charters dated 1219 and 1220 quoted below name her son Oste [III] with “Dame Mactilde de bonne mémoire sa mère et Herbrand chevalier et chanoine de Ninove”[2278], which suggests that Herbrand may have been a family name. Van de Perre and Van Hauwe discuss her family origins[2279]. “Machteldis et Aegidius filius meus dominus de Trasenis” donated “allodium…apud Eversenghem” to Ninove by charter dated 1196[2280]. A charter dated 1200/1201 names “Egidius dominus de Silly Ostonis de Trasignies filius Machtildis de Allodio mater prefati Egidii, Sigerus frater præfati Egidii”[2281]."
Med Lands cites:
[2268] Cambron, Part 1, VII, p. 98.
[2269] Butkens (1724), Vol. I, Preuves, p. 43.
[2270] Analectes pour servir à l’histoire ecclésiastique de la Belgique, Tome VII (1870), p. 371.
[2271] Analectes pour servir à l’histoire ecclésiastique de la Belgique, Tome VII (1870), p. 372.
[2272] Cambron, Part 1, Cartarum de Roseria, III, p. 351.
[2273] Gisleberti Chronicon Hanoniense, MGH SS XXI, p. 579.
[2274] Straten Ponthoz ‘L’ombre d’un lion’ (1884), p. 473, no source citation.
[2275] Analectes pour servir à l’histoire ecclésiastique de la Belgique, Tome VII (1870), p. 372.
[2276] Cambron, Part 1, Cartarum de Roseria, III, p. 351.
[2277] Straten Ponthoz ‘L’ombre d’un lion’ (1884), pp. 474-5.
[2278] Straten Ponthoz ‘L’ombre d’un lion’ (1884), pp. 476-7, no source citations.
[2279] Van de Perre, D. & Van Hauwe, R. ‘De Geschiedenis van Denderwindeke. Deel II: de middeleeuwse Heren (ca. 1100-1487)’, Het Land van Aalst, Vol. 44 (1992), pp. 2-4, and Van de Perre, D. & Van Hauwe, R. ‘Enkele aanvullingen betreffende de Heren van Wedergrate’, Het Land van Aalst, Vol. 46 (1994), pp. 131-2. .
[2280] Ninove, LXXIV, p. 809.
[2281] Straten Ponthoz ‘L’ombre d’un lion’ (1884), p. 480, no source citation.7

Family

Mathildes de Neyghem Voogdes van Meerbeek b. b 1155, d. bt 1201 - 1219
Children

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Otton II de Trazegnies de Blicquy: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00040703&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Enghien.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gilles I de Blicquy: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00040706&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Otton II de Trazegnies de Blicquy: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00040703&tree=LEO
  5. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#OsteIITrazegniesA. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, (Damisia): https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00040707&tree=LEO
  7. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#OsteIITrazegniesB
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mathilde de Neyghem: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00040704&tree=LEO
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Elisabeth de Trazegnies: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106868&tree=LEO
  10. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gilles II de Trazegnies: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00040709&tree=LEO
  11. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#GillesTrazegniesdied1200
  12. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#GillesTrazegniesdied1200A

Mathildes de Neyghem Voogdes van Meerbeek1

F, #61015, b. before 1155, d. between 1201 and 1219
FatherHerbrand van Neigem avoué de Meerbeek2
Last Edited6 Aug 2020
     Mathildes de Neyghem Voogdes van Meerbeek married Otton II de Trazegnies de Blicquy, son of Gilles I de Trazegnies Seigneur de Trazegnies and Geberge/Damisia de Landen;
Her 1st husband.3,2,4 Mathildes de Neyghem Voogdes van Meerbeek married Gottfried (?) Burggrave de Buxelles;
Her 2nd husband.5,4 Mathildes de Neyghem Voogdes van Meerbeek was born before 1155.2
Mathildes de Neyghem Voogdes van Meerbeek died between 1201 and 1219; Genealogics says d. bef 1219; Med Lands says d. aft 1201.4,2
     ; Per Med Lands:
     "OSTE [II] de Trazegnies, son of GILLES [I] [Seigneur] de Trazegnies & his wife Gerberge [Damisia] de Landines [Landen] (-[Acre] [1191/92] or 1193). Pierre Bishop-elect of Cambrai confirmed that “Egidium de Trasignies” had “per manum domni Nicholai pie memorie predecessoris nostri et Balduini Hainoniensis comitis” donated land and rights “in nemore de Geterlau” to Cambron, and that “posteaquam idem Egidius factus est de medio, filius eius Hosto” approved his father’s donation with the approval of “Sigeri fratris sui”, by charter dated 1173[2268]. "…Otto de Trasennies…" witnessed the marriage contract dated 1179 between "Comitem Flandriæ Philippum…Mathildis neptis comitis" and "ducem Lovaniæ Godefridum…Henrici filii ducis"[2269]. “Osto miles de Trasingeis” donated various decima to Floreffe, in the same way as “avus meus Hosto et pater meus Egidius”, by charter dated 4 Apr 1184, witnessed by “mater mea Damisia, Sigerus frater meus, Richardus et Gerardus de Rohenia cognati mei, Wilhelmus de Hutange, Heinricus de Birbais...”[2270]. Seigneur de Trazegnies. “Godefridus...dux Lovaniensis et...Heinricus comes Namurcensis et...Balduinus comes Hainacensis” confirmed the donation of various decima to Floreffe made by “dominus Hosto de Trazingeis” with the consent of “uxoris sue Mathildis et primogeniti sui Egidii et reliquorum filiorum ac filiarum suarum”, including “tertiam apud Herlaimont” where “domini Egidii patris ipsius” was buried, by charter dated 1188, in the presence of “Eustachius de Ruez, Richaldus de Roenia...Gebergis mater eiusdem Hostonis...”[2271]. Baudouin V Comte de Hainaut confirmed the donation of “terre...in territorio de Abechies” to Cambron made by “Ostonem de Silli...et uxor sua Mathildis et liberi sui” by charter dated 1189[2272]. The Chronicon Hanoniense names "Osto de Trasiniis" among those who died in Palestine in [1191], presumably at the siege of Acre[2273]. Straten Ponthoz records the death of Oste [II] in 1193[2274]. If this date is correct, he presumably died after returning from crusade, but no primary source has been identified which confirms that this supposition is correct and that the Chronicon Hanoniense incorrectly records his death in Palestine.
     "m ([1170 or before?]) MATHILDE de l’Alleud [“de Allodio”/”Eigene”/”van Neigem”], daughter of [HERBRAND avoué de Meerbeek & his wife ---] ([before 1155?]-after 1201). Her date of marriage is estimated based on the suggested birth dates of her children, although the date seems early when compared to the estimated birth date of her father-in-law (see above). “Godefridus...dux Lovaniensis et...Heinricus comes Namurcensis et...Balduinus comes Hainacensis” confirmed the donation of various decima to Floreffe made by “dominus Hosto de Trazingeis” with the consent of “uxoris sue Mathildis et primogeniti sui Egidii et reliquorum filiorum ac filiarum suarum”, including “tertiam apud Herlaimont” where “domini Egidii patris ipsius” was buried, by charter dated 1188, in the presence of “Eustachius de Ruez, Richaldus de Roenia...Gebergis mater eiusdem Hostonis...”[2275]. Baudouin V Comte de Hainaut confirmed the donation of “terre...in territorio de Abechies” to Cambron made by “Ostonem de Silli...et uxor sua Mathildis et liberi sui” by charter dated 1189[2276]. Straten Ponthoz names her “Mathilde de Allodio ou den Eygen, ou de Kiévrain selon les généalogistes”, naming her father “Herbrand chevalier, voué de Meerbeck”[2277]. No source is cited which confirms her father’s name, although charters dated 1219 and 1220 quoted below name her son Oste [III] with “Dame Mactilde de bonne mémoire sa mère et Herbrand chevalier et chanoine de Ninove”[2278], which suggests that Herbrand may have been a family name. Van de Perre and Van Hauwe discuss her family origins[2279]. “Machteldis et Aegidius filius meus dominus de Trasenis” donated “allodium…apud Eversenghem” to Ninove by charter dated 1196[2280]. A charter dated 1200/1201 names “Egidius dominus de Silly Ostonis de Trasignies filius Machtildis de Allodio mater prefati Egidii, Sigerus frater præfati Egidii”[2281]."
Med Lands cites:
[2268] Cambron, Part 1, VII, p. 98.
[2269] Butkens (1724), Vol. I, Preuves, p. 43.
[2270] Analectes pour servir à l’histoire ecclésiastique de la Belgique, Tome VII (1870), p. 371.
[2271] Analectes pour servir à l’histoire ecclésiastique de la Belgique, Tome VII (1870), p. 372.
[2272] Cambron, Part 1, Cartarum de Roseria, III, p. 351.
[2273] Gisleberti Chronicon Hanoniense, MGH SS XXI, p. 579.
[2274] Straten Ponthoz ‘L’ombre d’un lion’ (1884), p. 473, no source citation.
[2275] Analectes pour servir à l’histoire ecclésiastique de la Belgique, Tome VII (1870), p. 372.
[2276] Cambron, Part 1, Cartarum de Roseria, III, p. 351.
[2277] Straten Ponthoz ‘L’ombre d’un lion’ (1884), pp. 474-5.
[2278] Straten Ponthoz ‘L’ombre d’un lion’ (1884), pp. 476-7, no source citations.
[2279] Van de Perre, D. & Van Hauwe, R. ‘De Geschiedenis van Denderwindeke. Deel II: de middeleeuwse Heren (ca. 1100-1487)’, Het Land van Aalst, Vol. 44 (1992), pp. 2-4, and Van de Perre, D. & Van Hauwe, R. ‘Enkele aanvullingen betreffende de Heren van Wedergrate’, Het Land van Aalst, Vol. 46 (1994), pp. 131-2. .
[2280] Ninove, LXXIV, p. 809.
[2281] Straten Ponthoz ‘L’ombre d’un lion’ (1884), p. 480, no source citation.2


Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VIII 2.4 Mathildes de Neyghem Voogdes van Meerbeek was also known as Mathilde de Allodio.2 Mathildes de Neyghem Voogdes van Meerbeek was also known as Mathilde de Eogeme.2 Mathildes de Neyghem Voogdes van Meerbeek was also known as Mathilde de l’Alleud.2

Family 1

Gottfried (?) Burggrave de Buxelles

Family 2

Otton II de Trazegnies de Blicquy b. c 1150, d. c 1192
Children

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mathilde de Neyghem: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00040704&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#OsteIITrazegniesB. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Otton II de Trazegnies de Blicquy: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00040703&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mathilde de Neyghem: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00040704&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gottfried: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00040705&tree=LEO
  6. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Enghien.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Elisabeth de Trazegnies: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106868&tree=LEO
  8. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#GillesTrazegniesdied1200
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gilles II de Trazegnies: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00040709&tree=LEO
  10. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#GillesTrazegniesdied1200A

Gilles II de Trazegnies1

M, #61017, b. between 1170 and 1175, d. 1204
FatherOtton II de Trazegnies de Blicquy4,5,6,3 b. c 1150, d. c 1192
MotherMathildes de Neyghem Voogdes van Meerbeek2,3,4 b. b 1155, d. bt 1201 - 1219
ReferenceEDV26
Last Edited6 Aug 2020
     Gilles II de Trazegnies was born between 1170 and 1175; Genalogics says b. ca 1174; Med Lands says b. 1170/75.3,4 He married Aleid van Boulaere Heiress van Boulaere, daughter of Nikolaas van Boelare and Ada (?) de Rœulx, between 1197 and 1199;
Her 2nd husband. Genealogics says m. 1197; Med Lands says m. 1199.4,3,7,8
Gilles II de Trazegnies died in 1204; died in battle.4
     ; Per Genealogics:
     “Gilles II de Trazegnies was born about 1174, the son of Otton II de Trazegnies de Blicquy and Mathilde de Neyghem, Voogdes van Meerbeek. About 1197 he married Aleid van Boulaere, heiress of Boulaere, widow of Philippe de Harnes, and daughter of Nikolaus van Boulaere and Ada de Roeulx. Of their two sons Otton III would have progeny.
     “As constable of Flanders, Gilles accompanied Baudouin VI-IX, Graaf van Henegouwen to the Fourth Crusade. However he chose a separate route, crossing France and Italy. Arriving in Piacenza, he found Baudouin's messengers who pressed him to join Baudouin in Venice. However Gilles preferred to embark at Brindisi and go directly to the Holy Land. The crusader and chronicler Geoffroi I de Villehardouin describes Gilles' decision as a defection; it was poorly received by Baudouin and especially by Enrico Dandolo, the doge of Venice, who used it to refuse credit to the Crusaders and demanded of them that they pay the Venetian fleet in kind by capturing the Byzantine city of Zara. The defection of the Constable of Flanders was one of the first steps down the road that eventually led to the capture of Constantinople by the Crusaders in 1204, and to Baudouin becoming emperor of Constantinople that year.
     “Gilles was killed in 1204 by the Turkomans in a battle at Riblah on the Orontes as he was going to the aid of Boemund IV, prince of Antioch, probably against Leo I, king of Armenia.”.4 EDV-26.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VIII 2.1

; Per Med Lands:
     "GILLES [II] de Trazegnies, son of OSTE [II] Seigneur de Trazegnies & his wife Mathilde --- ([1170/75]-killed in battle Asia Minor [1202/04]). “Godefridus...dux Lovaniensis et...Heinricus comes Namurcensis et...Balduinus comes Hainacensis” confirmed the donation of various decima to Floreffe made by “dominus Hosto de Trazingeis” with the consent of “uxoris sue Mathildis et primogeniti sui Egidii et reliquorum filiorum ac filiarum suarum”, including “tertiam apud Herlaimont” where “domini Egidii patris ipsius” was buried, by charter dated 1188, in the presence of “Eustachius de Ruez, Richaldus de Roenia...Gebergis mater eiusdem Hostonis...”[2315]. Seigneur de Trazegnies. “Egidius dominus de Trasineis” confirmed the donation of various decima to Floreffe made by “digne recordationis dominus Hosto pater meus” by charter dated 1195[2316]. “Machteldis et Aegidius filius meus dominus de Trasenis” donated “allodium…apud Eversenghem” to Ninove by charter dated 1196[2317]. “Egidius dominus de Trasingeis filius Hostonis” reconfirmed the donation of various decima to Floreffe, for the soul of “domini Egidii”, by charter dated 1200, witnessed by “Walterus frater meus canonicus in maiori ecclesia Cameracensi...”[2318]. “...Egidius de Trasiniis...” subscribed the charter dated 28 Jul 1200 which declared the laws of the county of Hainaut[2319]. Seigneur de Silly: a charter dated 1200/1201 names “Egidius dominus de Silly Ostonis de Trasignies filius Machtildis de Allodio mater prefati Egidii, Sigerus frater præfati Egidii”[2320]. “Ægidii de Trazegnies Flandriæ constabularii et Sigeri fratris sui...” subscribed the charter dated 1201 under which Baudouin IX Count of Flanders granted himself “advocatiam” of Ninove and confirmed donations[2321]. “...Egidius de Trasiniis, Sigerus frater eius, Engelbertus de Aengien, Egidius de Brena, Alexander de Stenkirca...” witnessed the charter dated 1201 under which Baudouin IX Count of Flanders confirmed “decimis apud Dergnau et apud Gage” to Cambron[2322]. “...Egidii de Trazegnies Fland. constabularii...” subscribed the charter dated Apr 1201 under which Baudouin IX Count of Flanders donated various properties on leaving on crusade[2323]. Villehardouin records that part of the army travelled to Antioch “al prince Buimont...princes d’Antioche et cuens de Triple” but that “Vilains de Nuilli...et Giles de Trazeignies et maint altre” were killed[2324].
     "m ([1199]) as her second husband, ALIX van Boelare Vrouw van Boelare, widow of PHILIPPE Châtelain de Cassel, daughter of NIKOLAAS van Boelare [Boulers] & his wife Ada du Rœulx (-after Mar [1239]). She is named “Aelidis quondam dominæ de Boulers matris suæ et meæ” in the charter dated Oct 1256 under which “Ægidius dictus le Brun de Trazegnies constabularius Franciæ” confirmed that “Osto quondam dominus de Trazegnies frater meus” had donated property to Beaupré abbey[2325]. She married thirdly ([1207]) Raso [VII] van Gavre Heer van Liedekerke. "Alicia domina de Bouler" donated revenue from "prati apud Odevarsnest" to Ninove by charter dated Feb 1222, signed by "Soikini prioris, Symonis de Gant canonici Ninivensis, Gosuini militis de Emelverdenghem, Walteri de Deftenghem, Razonis filii mei, Gerardi Vander Beuren, Adæ filiæ meæ"[2326]. “Alidis domina de Boular” donated property to Beaupré abbey, with the consent of “filiorum meorum...Philippi majoris natu, Ostonis, Ægidii et Rasonis, domini Gosuini de Scendelbeka et Ada filiæ, uxoris Gosuini”, by charter dated Mar 1238 (O.S.?)[2327]."
Med Lands cites:
[2315] Analectes pour servir à l’histoire ecclésiastique de la Belgique, Tome VII (1870), p. 372.
[2316] Analectes pour servir à l’histoire ecclésiastique de la Belgique, Tome VII (1870), p. 375.
[2317] Ninove, LXXIV, p. 809.
[2318] Analectes pour servir à l’histoire ecclésiastique de la Belgique, Tome VII (1870), p. 376.
[2319] Devillers (1869), Tome IV, p. 8.
[2320] Straten Ponthoz ‘L’ombre d’un lion’ (1884), p. 480, no source citation.
[2321] Præmonstratensis Annales (1736), Tome II, Probationes, col. ccxxxviii.
[2322] Cambron, Part 2, Cartarum de Lumbisa, XXI, p. 750.
[2323] Le Carpentier (1664), Part IV, Preuves, p. 23.
[2324] Bouchet, E. (1891) Geoffroi de Villehardouin: La Conquête de Constantinople, Tome 1 (Paris), CXVII, p. 156.
[2325] Miraeus (1723), Tome I, CXCVII, p. 770.
[2326] Ninove (Smet, Tome II), CXXIX, p. 843.
[2327] Miraeus (1723), Tome I, CLXXVII, p. 755.3

; Per Med Lands:
     "ALIX van Boelare (-after Mar [1239]). "Michael constabularius Flandriæ…et uxor mea Ada et filius meus Philippus et uxor eius Aliz" donated annual revenue to Ninove by charter dated 1181[1030]. Vrouw van Boelare. "Alicia domina de Boular" donated property "prope villam de Idenghem" to Ninove, with the consent of "domini Michaelis filii mei Flandrensis constabularii", by charter dated Feb 1216[1031]. "Alicia domina de Boular" confirmed her donation of "tria bonaria prati de allodio meo in parochia de Ydenghem, jacentia juxta Teneram versus Loetsh" to Ninove, with the consent of "liberorum meorum", by charter dated Dec 1217, signed by "Adæ filiæ meæ…"[1032]. "Alicia domina de Bouler" donated revenue from "prati apud Odevarsnest" to Ninove by charter dated Feb 1222, signed by "Soikini prioris, Symonis de Gant canonici Ninivensis, Gosuini militis de Emelverdenghem, Walteri de Deftenghem, Razonis filii mei, Gerardi Vander Beuren, Adæ filiæ meæ"[1033]. "Alicia domina de Boular" confirmed the donation made by "dominus Gossuinus de Scendelbecca et…filia mea Ada uxor eius" to Ninove by charter dated Feb 1232[1034]. "Alicia domina de Boular" confirmed the donation of property "in parochia de Asplar et de Neder-Hasselt" to Ninove by "filius meus Philippus miles" by charter dated 24 Jun 1236[1035]. “Alidis domina de Boular” donated property to Beaupré abbey, with the consent of “filiorum meorum...Philippi majoris natu, Ostonis, Ægidii et Rasonis, domini Gosuini de Scendelbeka et Ada filiæ, uxoris Gosuini”, by charter dated Mar 1238 (O.S.?)[1036]. She is named “Aelidis quondam dominæ de Boulers matris suæ et meæ” in the charter dated Oct 1256 under which “Ægidius dictus le Brun de Trazegnies constabularius Franciæ” confirmed that “Osto quondam dominus de Trazegnies frater meus” had donated property to Beaupré abbey[1037].
     "m firstly (before 1181) PHILIPPE Châtelain de Cassel Connétable de Flandre, son of MICHEL [II] Châtelain de Cassel, Connétable de Flandre & his wife Ada --- (-[1199]).
     "m secondly ([1199]) GILLES [II] Seigneur de Trazegnies, son of OSTE [II] Seigneur de Trazegnies & his wife Mathilde --- ([1170/75]-killed in battle Asia Minor [1202/04]).
     "m thirdly ([1207]) RASO [VII] van Gavre Heer van Liedekerke, son of RASO [VI] van Gavre & his wife Clarice --- (-before 1214)."
Med Lands cites:
[1030] Ninove, XLI, p. 779.
[1031] Ninove, CXI, p. 831.
[1032] Ninove, CXIV, p. 833.
[1033] Ninove, CXXIX, p. 843.
[1034] Ninove, CLXXI, p. 874.
[1035] Ninove, CLXXXIII, p. 882.
[1036] Miraeus (1723), Tome I, CLXXVII, p. 755.
[1037] Miraeus (1723), Tome I, CXCVII, p. 770.8

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gilles II de Trazegnies: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00040709&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mathilde de Neyghem: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00040704&tree=LEO
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#GillesTrazegniesdied1200. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gilles II de Trazegnies: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00040709&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Otton II de Trazegnies de Blicquy: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00040703&tree=LEO
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Gilles I de Trazegnies Seigneur de Trazegnies1

M, #61018, b. circa 1125, d. between 1161 and 1162
FatherOste I de Trazegnies2 d. 1146
MotherHelvide (?)2 d. a 1135
ReferenceEDV28
Last Edited6 Aug 2020
     Gilles I de Trazegnies Seigneur de Trazegnies married Geberge/Damisia de Landen, daughter of Henri de Landines and NN de Rèves.3,4,1 Gilles I de Trazegnies Seigneur de Trazegnies was born circa 1125; Genealogics says b. ca 1125; Med Lands says b. "before 1135?...The chronology of Gilles’s descendants suggests that he was probably not born much later than [1135]".4,2
Gilles I de Trazegnies Seigneur de Trazegnies died between 1161 and 1162; died in battle.4
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VIII 2.4 EDV-28. Gilles I de Trazegnies Seigneur de Trazegnies was also known as Gilles I de Blicquy.5

; Per Med Lands:
     "GILLES [I] de Trazegnies ([before 1135?]-13 Jul [1161/62], bur Herlaimont). The chronology of Gilles’s descendants suggests that he was probably not born much later than [1135]. The [1205] Chronicle of Liessies abbey records that Baudouin IV Comte de Hainaut was guardian of “tres Giliones pueros nobiles, quorum patres obierant...jure consanguinitatis, unum de Cimasiis, alium de Businiis, tertium de Transiniis” (“trois Gillion, enfants nobles, dont les pères étaient morts...de Chimay...de Bousignies [Bouchain] et...de Trazegnies”), noting that guardianship of the last named was also claimed by “Walterus de Avesnis, quia jure propinquitatis erat proprior” (“Gautier d’Avesnes avec lequel il était plus proche parent qu’avec le comte”), and in another passage that Gilles [de Trazegnies] “pro qua factione patris eius Bacconis occisi, adversus Ebalum de Gociliis viriliter exercuit” (“combattit vaillamment contre Ebale de Gosselies pour venger la mort de son père qui avait été tué”) [see above the record of the death in battle of the predecessor of Gilles [I]][2238]. As noted above, the precise family relationships between Gilles [I] and Gauthier [I] d’Oisy Seigneur d’Avesnes and with Baudouin IV Comte de Hainaut have not been ascertained. Consistent with Gilles’s father being killed in 1146, Gilles’s estimated birth date seems confirmed by the 1163 charter quoted below which records him as “parvulum” when his father died. Straten Ponthoz records that Gilles [I] de Trazegnies sold Ath in 1136[2239], while the Marquis de Trazegnies more reasonably suggests that the sale (to Baudouin IV Comte de Hainaut) took place “au milieu du siècle (1148 ou 1155 selon les interprétations...)”[2240]. The primary source which confirms this sale has not been found nor any document which indicates how the Trazegnies family acquired an interest in Ath: as the heiress of Ath married Arnoul de Hainaut, ancestor of the seigneurs du Rœulx (see elsewhere in the present document), this could help explain why the comte de Hainaut claimed guardianship of Gilles [I] during his minority. Seigneur de Trazegnies: by charter dated 1155, Henri Bishop of Liège notified that “Gilo dominus castri...Trasineheis” donated land “in loco...Herlanmoht”, first donated by “patre Hostone”, to Floreffe, and confirmed other specified donations to Floreffe[2241]. Seigneur de Silly: Gilles is first named seigneur de Silly in a charter dated 1156[2242]. Smets, editor of the Cambron cartulary, records the foundation of Cambron Notre-Dame by “Anselme de Trazignies seigneur de Péronne-lès-Binche, chanoine et trésorier du chapitre de Soignies” and the protests made by “son frère Gilles seigneur de Silly” to family property being used for this purpose[2243]. Baudouin IV Comte de Hainaut confirmed donations to Cambron made by “Anselmus de Perona nobilis clericus”, which were challenged by “Egidius de Silli” who later donated property in compensation, by charter dated 1156[2244]. Gilles’s connection with Blicquy is indicated by the following document: “Egidius de Belchi” [Gilles [I] de Trazegnies?] donated property “apud Helsbecam...pasturam que jacet inter Helbecam et Silgi” to Eename by charter dated 1158[2245]. Nicolas Bishop of Cambrai confirmed that “domina Ysabealdis de Stenkerca et filius eius Ingelbertus”, with the consent of “uxore eiusdem Ingelberti...prebentibus Hugone de Edengem et filii eius”, donated land and rights “infra nemus de Geterlau” to Cambron, noting that “Egidius de Trazinies” had rights in the same property which he also donated with the consent of “Hugone et filiis eius”, by charter dated 1161[2246]. The precise relationship between the Enghien and Trazegnies families has not been traced. The Miracula sancti Cornelii record “dominus Aegidius de Trasenis” invading Nivelles abbey, followed by the siege of Trazegnies during which Gilles was killed[2247]. Plumet dates his death to [1161/62][2248]. The necrology of Floreffe records the death "III Id Jul" of "Gilonis militis de Trasignies" and his donations of “ecclesiam de Trasigniez et decimam inter calciatam viam et Pietonem”[2249]. The following documents were dated after Gilles [I] died. By charter dated 1163, Henri Bishop of Liège notified that [Gilles’s parents] “Hosto Trasiniensis dominus ac eius uxor Heluidis” had donated “quendam desertum...Herlaimont...” to Floreffe, that when they died they left “heredum parvulum Gilonem” who (“ipse vero miles...ipsum Gilonem”) later appropriated “decimam” from Floreffe but then confirmed the donation for “patris et matris sue anime”, the subsequent attack on “villam de Fraxinis” [Frasnes] by “Walterus de Fontanes...et auxilio habens ipsum Gilonem” for which the latter was excommunicated, his death and the monks of Frasnes refusing to bury him, “pater uxoris ipsius Gilonis Henricus et Euerardus avunculus eius” wanting to assure his decent burial, “uxor eiusdem Gilonis” donated “altare de Trasineius” to Floreffe, the charter witnessed by “Henricus de Laudines Euverardus de Roeuia et filius eius Walterus et al nepos eius Symon de Secelllia Henricus de Birbais Cono de Alta ripa Wido de Fontibus et filii eius Walterus Franco de Fontibus et frater eius Gislebertus Walcherus de Sillei Henricus et frater eius Hywenus de Heruethees Robertus de Carniris et filii eius Robertus Balduinus de Montibus Henricus de Nathe”[2250]. Pope Alexander III confirmed the privileges of Cambron, recording its foundation by “Anselmus de Berona clericus” and confirming donations including “allodium et quicquid Egidius de Trazinies in eodem loco de Camberona habebat”, by bull dated 28 Nov 1172[2251]. Pierre Bishop-elect of Cambrai confirmed that “Egidium de Trasignies” had “per manum domni Nicholai pie memorie predecessoris nostri et Balduini Hainoniensis comitis” donated land and rights “in nemore de Geterlau” to Cambron, and that “posteaquam idem Egidius factus est de medio [is this a euphemism to indicate that he was set aside or died?], filius eius Hosto” approved his father’s donation with the approval of “Sigeri fratris sui”, by charter dated 1173[2252]. Gilles is named in the 4 Apr 1184 and 1188 charters of his son Oste [II], the second of which records his place of burial.
     "m GERBERGE [Damisia = Demoiselle?], daughter of HENRI de Landines [Landen] & his wife [--- de Rèves?] (-after 1188). “Osto miles de Trasingeis” donated various decima to Floreffe, in the same way as “avus meus Hosto et pater meus Egidius”, by charter dated 4 Apr 1184, witnessed by “mater mea Damisia, Sigerus frater meus, Richardus et Gerardus de Rohenia cognati mei, Wilhelmus de Hutange, Heinricus de Birbais...”[2253]. “Godefridus...dux Lovaniensis et...Heinricus comes Namurcensis et...Balduinus comes Hainacensis” confirmed the donation of various decima to Floreffe made by “dominus Hosto de Trazingeis” with the consent of “uxoris sue Mathildis et primogeniti sui Egidii et reliquorum filiorum ac filiarum suarum”, including “tertiam apud Herlaimont” where “domini Egidii patris ipsius” was buried, by charter dated 1188, in the presence of “Eustachius de Ruez, Richaldus de Roenia...Gebergis mater eiusdem Hostonis...”[2254]. Her parentage is confirmed by the following document: by charter dated 1163, Henri Bishop of Liège notified that [her husband’s parents] “Hosto Trasiniensis dominus ac eius uxor Heluidis” had donated “quendam desertum...Herlaimont...” to Floreffe, that when they died they left “heredum parvulum Gilonem” who (“ipse vero miles...ipsum Gilonem”) later appropriated “decimam” from Floreffe but then confirmed the donation for “patris et matris sue anime”, “uxor eiusdem Gilonis” donating “altare de Trasineius” to Floreffe, after the suggestion of “pater uxoris ipsius Gilonis Henricus et Euerardus avunculus eius” who wanted to assure her husband’s decent burial, the charter witnessed by “Henricus de Laudines Euverardus de Roeuia et filius eius Walterus et al nepos eius Symon de Secelllia...”[2255]. It is suggested that “Euerardus avunculus eius [...Euerardus de Roeuia]” was Gerberge’s maternal uncle: this is consistent with “avunculus” being interpreted in its strict sense, but also because it is difficult to understand the need for his presence in the document if he had been the brother of Gerberge’s father (who would presumably have represented the family interests by himself). Straten Ponthoz, discussing the question of her family origin, notes that her husband Gilles [I] is named in 1183 as “frère - utérin sans doute - de Godefroid châtelain de Bruxelles” [no source cited][2256]. As noted above, the chronology indicates that Gilles [I] and Godefroy are unlikely to have shared the same mother. Another possibility is that “frère” (assuming that Straten Ponthoz’s report about the 1183 charter is correct) indicated Gilles [I]’s brother-in-law. That could indicate either (1) that Godefroy’s wife was the sister of Gilles [I] (see below) or (2) that Gilles [I]’s wife was Godefroy’s sister."
Med Lands cites:
[2238] Trazegnies ‘Ath’ (2004), p. 3, and Histoire de Hainaut par Jacques de Guyse, Tome XI (1831), Cap. XXXIX, p. 150.
[2239] Straten Ponthoz ‘L’ombre d’un lion’ (1884), p. 474, no citation reference.
[2240] Trazegnies ‘Ath’ (2004), p. 1, no citation reference.
[2241] quoting Barbier (1892), Tome II, 30, p. 16.
[2242] Plumet (1959), p. 29, citing “cC, t. 1, p. 91”.
[2243] Cambron, Introduction, p. ii.
[2244] Cambron, Part 2, I, p. 92.
[2245] Eename, 45, p. 45.
[2246] Cambron, Part 1, VIII, p. 99.
[2247] Analecta Bollandiana, Tome XX, De miraculis sancti Cornelii Papæ apud Ninivas, I, pp. 186-7.
[2248] Plumet (1959), p. 89.
[2249] Floreffe Nécrologe, p. 102.
[2250] quoting Barbier (1892), Tome II, 40, p. 24.
[2251] Cambron, Part 1, I, p. 7.
[2252] Cambron, Part 1, VII, p. 98.
[2253] Analectes pour servir à l’histoire ecclésiastique de la Belgique, Tome VII (1870), p. 371.
[2254] Analectes pour servir à l’histoire ecclésiastique de la Belgique, Tome VII (1870), p. 372.
[2255] quoting Barbier (1892), Tome II, 40, p. 24.
[2256] Straten Ponthoz ‘L’ombre d’un lion’ (1884), p. 474.2

Family

Geberge/Damisia de Landen d. a 1188
Children

Citations

  1. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#OsteIITrazegniesA. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  2. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#_Toc43030548
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, (Damisia): https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00040707&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gilles I de Blicquy: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00040706&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gilles I de Blicquy: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00040706&tree=LEO
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Otton II de Trazegnies de Blicquy: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00040703&tree=LEO

Oste I de Trazegnies1

M, #61019, d. 1146
Last Edited6 Aug 2020
     Oste I de Trazegnies married Helvide (?)1
Oste I de Trazegnies died in 1146; Killed in battle.1
     ; Per Med Lands:
     "Trazegnies is located two kilometres east of Courcelles, about 5 kilometres north-west of Charleroi, in the present-day Belgian province of Hainaut. Europäische Stammtafeln shows a reconstruction of the Trazegnies family, details of which are not corroborated by the primary source data which is reproduced below[2221]. Successful reconstruction of the family is hampered by repetition of the names Oste and Gilles. The more important individuals with these names have been numbered consecutively below, but this numbering has no historical significance. I am grateful to the Marquis de Trazegnies for sending copies of his research and primary source documents, and discussing difficult points concerning the reconstruction of the Trazegnies family. Comte François van der Straten Ponthoz, discussing the origin of the Trazegnies blason and the seals used by the family, provides numerous useful primary source extracts which are referenced below although he frequently omitted source citations meaning that some of his statements remain uncorroborated[2222]. Additional biographical details of leading members of the family are available in the Biographie Nationale, produced by the Académie royale des Sciences, des Lettres et des Beaux-Arts de Belgique, which lists bibliographical sources but unfortunately provides no specific source citations[2223]."
     "1. OSTE [de Blicquy] (-after 1121). [Seigneur] de Blicquy: Baudry’s Annales de l’abbaye de Saint-Ghislain record “...Oston de Bliqui...” among witnesses to a charter dated 1105 under which “Wautier seigneur de Perwez” donated serfs to Aubechies[2224]. “Hoston de Bliqui, Tiévin [Liévin?] d’Herbau, Isembart de Mons, Hugues d’Enghien” witnessed the 1121 charter under which “Hersende noble demoiselle” donated herself as a serf to Saint-Ghislain[2225]. It is possible that some or all of the documents dated between 1130 and 1135, cited below under Oste [I], refer to Oste [de Blicquy].
     "The confirmed direct ancestry of the Trazegnies family starts with Oste [I]. The chronology, as well as the holding of Blicquy by his descendants, suggests a close family connection with Oste [de Blicquy] who is shown above. As noted below, relationships between Oste [I] and the Oisy/Avesnes, Ath/Rœulx, and Hainaut families are also indicated: the source quoted below indicates that the Oisy/Avesnes relationship was closer than the Trazegnies connection with the Hainaut comital family. A connection is also assumed with earlier seigneurs de Silly (see Part A of this chapter) to explain how Silly was transferred to the Trazegnies family. The Trazegnies and Enghien families were also closely related, as shown by the 1161 and 1173 charters quoted below under Gilles [I] de Trazegnies which show that both families held joint interests in “Geterlau”. In addition, the reported 1183 charter cited below suggests a close relationship with the Aa family. The range of possibilities appears too large, through both the paternal and maternal ancestries of either Oste [I] or his wife, to speculate successfully on the precise nature of each of these family connections.
Med Lands cites:
[2221] ES VIII 2.
[2222] Annales du Cercle Archéologique de Mons, Tome XVII (Mons, 1884), Histoire de l’abbaye de Cambron, Appendice: Straten Ponthoz, Comte F. de ‘L’ombre d’un lion sur le blason des Trazegnies’, pp. 457-514 (“Straten Ponthoz ‘L’ombre d’un lion’ (1884)”).
[2223] Biographie Nationale, Tome 25 (Bruxelles, 1930-32), cols. 555-596, available at (1 Nov 2018).
[2224] Reiffenberg (1848), Tome VIII, p. 344.
[2225] Reiffenberg (1848), Tome VIII, p. 349 (summary of the charter, no citation reference for the original).1
Oste I de Trazegnies was also known as Oste I de Silly.1 Oste I de Trazegnies was also known as Oste I de Blicquy.1

; Per Med Lands:
     "OSTE [I] de Trazegnies [de Blicquy] [de Silly] (-[killed in battle 1146]). Oste [I] is named in the 4 Apr 1184 charter issued by his grandson Oste [II] for Floreffe, quoted below. Straten Ponthoz dates the earlier donation by Oste [I], referred to in that charter, to 1123[2226]. The primary source which confirms that date has not been identified, although it appears compatible with the limited information available about the chronology of Oste [I]’s life. No reference to the earlier donation has been found in Barbier’s Histoire de Floreffe[2227]. The dates of the following references suggest that they refer to Oste [I], although as noted above it is possible that some or all of them relate to Oste [de Blicquy]. “Oston de Bliqui, Thirry de Ligne...” witnessed the 1130 charter under which “Mainsende...” donated herself as a serf to Saint-Ghislain[2228]. Liétard Bishop of Cambrai confirmed that “Gilla castellana de Bruxella, Gillardus de Ruez, Heluidis de Fellui” had donated property “in parrochia de Senefia” to Bonne Espérance, with the consent of “Hostone de Bilchi de cuius feodo...”, by charter dated 1131[2229]. “Isaac issu de haute famille” donated a serf to Saint-Ghislain, for the souls of “mon père Gossuin de Monse et...ma mère Ide”, with the consent of “mes frères Nicolas et Gossuin et ma sœur Ermengarde avec son mari Gautier”, by charter dated 1135, sealed by “...Hoston de Bilchi...”[2230]. Gauthier de Silly “in senectute sua” donated a serf to Saint-Ghislain by charter dated 1135, witnessed by “Otton de Blicquy...”[2231]. A later charter refers to an earlier donation by Oste [I] which is probably dated to [1135]: by charter dated 1163, Henri Bishop of Liège notified that “Hosto Trasiniensis dominus ac eius uxor Heluidis” had donated “quendam desertum...Herlaimont...” to Floreffe, that after they died they left “heredum parvulum Gilonem” who (“ipse vero miles...ipsum Gilonem”) later appropriated “decimam” from Floreffe but then confirmed the donation for “patris et matris sue anime” [further details of this document are shown below under Gilles [I]][2232]. The dating of this earlier donation is uncertain, but it was made before 21 Jan 1138 when Pope Innocent II confirmed the possessions of Floreffe, including “la cense d’Herlaimont”[2233]. "Godescaldus de Vileirs canonicus et frater noster" donated land "apud Bellummontem" to Vicogne, in the presence of "...Ostone de Bilchi...", by undated charter dated to before 1147[2234]. Seigneur de Trazegnies: the Chronicon Diestense records that “Arnoldus [...vel Arnulphus dominus de Diest], domini de Wezemael, de Rotselaer, de Bierbaco, de Leefdale, Hoerne, Transingys, Ravies” were killed in battle in 1146[2235]. The reliability of this source may be questionable and the information has not been corroborated elsewhere. Although this document does not name the seigneur de Trazegnies in question, the [1205] Chronicle of Liessies abbey records that Gilles [I] “pro qua factione patris eius Bacconis occisi, adversus Ebalum de Gociliis viriliter exercuit” (“combattit vaillamment contre Ebale de Gosselies pour venger la mort de son père qui avait été tué”)[2236]. Whether or not the date is precise, the report is consistent with the 1163 charter which confirms that Oste left “heredum parvulum” when he died.
     "m HELVIDE, daughter of --- (-after [1135]). Her name is confirmed by the 1163 charter quoted above. Straten Ponthoz discusses the possible family origin of the wife of Oste [I], noting that her son Gilles [I] is named in 1183 as “frère - utérin sans doute - de Godefroid châtelain de Bruxelles” [no source cited][2237]. It is unlikely that the Trazegnies/Aa connection was through Gilles’s mother: Godefroy’s mother (wife of Franco [III] Châtelain of Brussels, see the document BRABANT, LOUVAIN), probably the daughter of Leon [II] Heer van de Aa, was probably born in [1135/40] and, given the estimated birth date of Gilles [I] shown below, could not have been his mother even by an earlier marriage. Another possibility, that “frère” indicated Gilles [I]’s brother-in-law, is discussed below. An alternative case is that Gilles’s mother was closely related to Gauthier [I] d’Oisy Seigneur d’Avesnes: as noted below, the [1205] Chronicle of Liessies abbey records that “Gautier d’Avesnes avec lequel il était plus proche parent qu’avec le comte” claimed Gilles’s guardianship from Baudouin IV Comte de Hainaut. As noted below, one explanation for the apparent age difference between her son Gilles [I] and her possible son Anselme is that the two were uterine brothers, Anselme being born from an earlier marriage of their mother (to the “seigneur de Péronne-lès-Binche“? [seigneurie inherited by Anselme])."
Med Lands cites:
[2226] Straten Ponthoz ‘L’ombre d’un lion’ (1884), p. 474, no citation reference.
[2227] Barbier & Barbier (1880).
[2228] Reiffenberg (1848), Tome VIII, p. 351 (summary of the charter, no citation reference for the original).
[2229] (7 May 2020).
[2230] Reiffenberg (1848), Tome VIII, p. 361 (French translation).
[2231] Plumet, J. (1959) Les seigneurs de Trazegnies au Moyen âge 1100-1550 (Mont-Saint-Geneviève), p. 28, citing “Verriest Servage, p. 453”.
[2232] quoting Barbier, V. (1892) Histoire de l’abbaye de Floreffe (Namur), Tome II, 40, p. 24.
[2233] Barbier, J. & Barbier, V. (1880) Histoire de l’abbaye de Floreffe (Namur), p. 36.
[2234] Duvivier (1903), 20, p. 41.
[2235] Raymaekers, F. J. ‘Chronicon Diestense’, Compte rendu des séances de la Commission Royale d’Histoire ou Recueil de ses Bulletins, Series 3, Tome 2 (Brussels, 1861), pp. 396-7.
[2236] Trazegnies ‘Ath’ (2004), p. 3, and Histoire de Hainaut par Jacques de Guyse, Tome XI (Paris, 1831), Cap. XXXIX, p. 150.
[2237] Straten Ponthoz ‘L’ombre d’un lion’ (1884), p. 474.1

Family

Helvide (?) d. a 1135
Child

Citations

  1. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#_Toc43030548. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Siger de Trazegnies1

M, #61020, d. after 4 April 1184
FatherGilles I de Trazegnies Seigneur de Trazegnies1 b. c 1125, d. bt 1161 - 1162
MotherGeberge/Damisia de Landen1 d. a 1188
Last Edited6 Aug 2020
     Siger de Trazegnies died after 4 April 1184.1
     ; Per Med Lands:
     "SIGER de Trazegnies (-after 4 Apr 1184). Pierre Bishop-elect of Cambrai confirmed that “Egidium de Trasignies” had “per manum domni Nicholai pie memorie predecessoris nostri et Balduini Hainoniensis comitis” donated land and rights “in nemore de Geterlau” to Cambron, and that “posteaquam idem Egidius factus est de medio, filius eius Hosto” approved his father’s donation with the approval of “Sigeri fratris sui”, by charter dated 1173[2258]. “Osto miles de Trasingeis” donated various decima to Floreffe, in the same way as “avus meus Hosto et pater meus Egidius”, by charter dated 4 Apr 1184, witnessed by “mater mea Damisia, Sigerus frater meus, Richardus et Gerardus de Rohenia cognati mei, Wilhelmus de Hutange, Heinricus de Birbais...”[2259]. The precise relationship between the Trazegnies family and “Richardus et Gerardus de Rohenia cognati mei” has not been ascertained. “...Richaldus de Roenia...” also witnessed the 1188 charter quoted below[2260]. The Marquis de Trazegnies indicates that Siger, son of Gilles [I], inherited Blicquy which was transmitted to his possible son Gauthier Seigneur de Blicquy (named 1225-1235) and thereafter to the latter’s possible daughter Agnès Dame de Blicquy (named in 1239), who married Gauthier de Genlain and was ancestor of the later seigneurs de Bliquy[2261]."
Med Lands cites:
[2258] Cambron, Part 1, VII, p. 98.
[2259] Analectes pour servir à l’histoire ecclésiastique de la Belgique, Tome VII (1870), p. 371.
[2260] Analectes pour servir à l’histoire ecclésiastique de la Belgique, Tome VII (1870), p. 372.
[2261] Trazegnies (2018) Otton III (IV), pp. 41, 43.1

Citations

  1. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#OsteIITrazegniesA. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.