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     Margarethe (?) von der Saale died at Spangenburg, Germany (now).¹ She was born in 1522.¹ She married Philipp I "the Magnanimous (?) Landgraf von Hessen, son of Wilhelm II (?) Landgraf von Hessen and Anna (?) Duchess von Mecklenburg-Schwerin, on 4 March 1540 at Rotenburg a. d. Fulda, Germany (now),
; his 2nd wife.^1,2
      ; Leo van de Pas cites: Genealogisches Handbuch des Adels Fürstliche Häuser , Reference: yr 1961 58.¹ Margarethe (?) von der Saale was living on 6 July 1566.¹

     Sophia/Guda (?) von Looz married Walter IV Berthout Heer van Grimberghe
; her 1st husband.^6,1,2,7 Sophia/Guda (?) von Looz was born circa 1145.²
Sophia/Guda (?) von Looz died after 1202.^1,7
      ; Per Med Lands: "BONNE (-after 1202). "Gerardus…comes de Los" donated property to Ardenne Saint-Hubert, with the consent of "uxoris nostre et heredum nostrorum", by charter dated 1194 witnessed by "Aleidis uxor nostra comitissa de Los, Ludovicus filius noster, Guda soror nostra de Grymberghe, Ysmena soror nostra quandoque Lotharingiæ ducissa…"[879]. "Walterus Bertholdus…cum coniuge mea Guda filiisque Waltero et Sophia uxore sua et Egidio" confirmed a donation to Everbode by charter dated 1200[880]. “Walterus Bertouyt et uxor mea Goda et filii nostri Walterus Bertout et Egidius” granted freedom from tolls to Dunes abbey by charter dated 1202[881]. m WALTER [III] Berthout Heer van Grimbergen, son of WALTER [II] Berthout Heer van Mechelen & his wife [Margareta van Grimbergen] (-after 1202)."
Med Lands cites:

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VIII 26 .¹ Sophia/Guda (?) von Looz was also known as Bonne (?) de Looz.⁷

; Per Genealogy.EU (Looz 2): "Sophia (Guda), *ca 1145; 1m: Godfried of Heinsberg; 2m: Walter IV of Mechelen."⁸



; Genealogy.EU says the Sophie von Looz m. both Gottfried von Heinsberg and Walter IV von Berthout. However both Genealogics and Med Lands says that there were two Sophies.^9,10,8,11

She was living in 1195.¹

     Walter IV Berthout Heer van Grimberghe married Sophia/Guda (?) von Looz, daughter of Ludwig/Louis I (?) Graf von Looz und Rieneck, Burggraf of Mainz and Agnes von Metz,
; her 1st husband.^1,2,3,4 Walter IV Berthout Heer van Grimberghe was born circa 1150.⁵
Walter IV Berthout Heer van Grimberghe died in 1201.¹
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VIII 26.⁵

; Per Genealogics: "Walter was the eldest son of Walter III Berthout, Heer van Grimberghe, and Margareth de Grimbergen. He was lord of the land of Malines as a fief of the Church of Liège. With his wife Sophia/Guda von Looz, daughter of Ludwig I, Graf von Looz, Burggraf von Mainz, and Agnes von Metz, he had a son Walter V who would have progeny, and a son Gilles. Walter established himself at Malines after witnessing the destruction of the family's castle fortress of Grimbergen in 1159 by Godfried III, duke of Lower-Lorraine, comte de Louvain. Despite these past major conflicts, he returned to favour with the dukes of Brabant. Walter died in 1201."⁵

     Walter V Berthout married Sophie (?)⁴

Walter V Berthout died after 1195.¹
      ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VIII 26.¹ He was living in 1195.¹

     Sophie (?) married Walter V Berthout, son of Walter IV Berthout Heer van Grimberghe and Sophia/Guda (?) von Looz.¹

Sophie (?) died after 1200.¹
      ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VIII 26.¹ She was living in 1200.¹

     Hendrik I Berthout Heer van Duffel died between 1231 and 1235.¹
      ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VIII 26.¹

     Beatrix de Looz Heiress of Orgeo married Thierry II de Walcourt Comte de Montaigu, son of Wery III de Walcourt Sire de Walcourt, Comte de Montaigu and Gerberga de Montaigu,
; Genealogics shows Beatrix as a dau. of Ludwig I and his wife Agnes von Metz. Genalogics also shows Beatrix marrying Thierry II de Wacourt, Med Lands does not show Thierry and Agnes as having a dau. named Beatrix. Furthermore, Med Lands shows Thierry as having married possibly three times, but none of the marriages were to a Beatrix. The marriages show are:
(See original Med Lands webpages for detailed citations.)
Finally, Wikipedia does not show a dau. named Beatrix for Ludwige.^2,3,4,5,6
Beatrix de Looz Heiress of Orgeo died after 1200.¹
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 110.³ She was living in 1200.¹

     Thierry II de Walcourt Comte de Montaigu married Beatrix de Looz Heiress of Orgeo
; Genealogics shows Beatrix as a dau. of Ludwig I and his wife Agnes von Metz. Genalogics also shows Beatrix marrying Thierry II de Wacourt, Med Lands does not show Thierry and Agnes as having a dau. named Beatrix. Furthermore, Med Lands shows Thierry as having married possibly three times, but none of the marriages were to a Beatrix. The marriages show are:
(See original Med Lands webpages for detailed citations.)
Finally, Wikipedia does not show a dau. named Beatrix for Ludwige.^1,4,5,6,7
Thierry II de Walcourt Comte de Montaigu died before 21 June 1237.¹
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 110.¹

     Mechtild von Dagsburg married Folmar VIII (?) Graf von Metz et de Homburg, son of Folmar VII de Metz Graf von Metz.^4,3,5

Mechtild von Dagsburg died between 1135 and 1157.³
      ; Per Med Lands: "[MECHTILD (-[1135/57])). The subscription by "Hugonis filii Folmari comitis…" of the charter dated to [1124] under which "Ermensendis comitissa Namucensis" confirmed the prior donation of property to the church of Verdun Sainte-Vanne by "senioris mei comitis Alberti"[303] is explained by Hugo being the grantor's grandson. If that is correct, the subscriber’s mother would have been the daughter of Albert [II], by his second wife. A charter dated 1157 confirms the foundation of the abbey of Beaupré “III Kal Mar” 1135 by “Folmarus comes Metensis...conjux eius femina felicis memoriæ comitissa Mathildis sed et filii eorum Folmarus et Hugo necnon et filiæ Clementia, Agnes et Adeleidis”[304]. m FOLMAR [VIII] Graf von Metz, son of FOLMAR [VII] Graf von Metz & his wife --- (-1145, bur Beaupré)."
Med Lands cites: GAV-25.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VI 156.⁵

     Régintrudis (?) of the Franks married Theodebert/Theudbert (?) Herzog von Bayern
;
His 1st wife.³ Régintrudis (?) of the Franks was born in 630.¹
     Régintrudis (?) of the Franks was also known as Regintrude (?) d'Austrasia.²

; Per Royaume Europe: "Theodos tert?us d? Bavariæ, Theodon IIIème de Bavière, Theodon dritter von Bayern il est né entre 610 et 615 et décédé en 680 fils de Garibaldus s?cundus d? Bavariæ et de Gailas d? Forum Iulii
Il est le :?— quartus Dux d? Bavariæ ~ 640 à 680?— vierter Herzog von Bayern
? ?— IVème Duc de Bavière « Agilolfingiens »
Épouse Régintrudis Franc?cus née en 630 fille de Daygobertus pr?mus Franc?cus et de Ragentrude des Ardennes
1. Theodos d? Bavariæ né en 625 et décédé le 11 décembre 716 à Ratisbonne
2. Né d? Bavariæ
3. Ragnetrudis d? Bavariæ née vers 640 Épouse en 657 Gottfried des Alamans“.⁴

     Clementia von Metz married Folmar I von Blieskastel Graf von Blieskastel, son of Gottfried I von Blieskastel Graf von Blieskastel and NN von Lorraine.^4,5,6

     Reference: Genealogics Cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 6:156.⁵

; Per Med Lands: "CLEMENTIA . A charter dated 1157 confirms the foundation of the abbey of Beaupré “III Kal Mar” 1135 by “Folmarus comes Metensis...conjux eius femina felicis memoriæ comitissa Mathildis sed et filii eorum Folmarus et Hugo necnon et filiæ Clementia, Agnes et Adeleidis”[952]. “Folmarus…comes de Castel…et uxor mea Clementia” made declarations relating to Gorze Abbey by charter dated to [1152/60][953]. “Folmarus comes de Castello et comitissa Mathildis mater uxoris meæ” founded Beaupré, recorded in a charter dated 1161[954]. m her second cousin, FOLMAR [I] Graf von Bliescastel, son of GOTTFRIED [I] Graf von Bliescastel & his wife ---."
Med Lands cites:

; Per Med Lands:
     "FOLMAR [I] von Bliescastel, son of GOTTFRIED [I] Graf von Bliescastel & his wife --- (-1179 or after). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Mathildem [de Luscelenburch]" as mother of "comitem Folmerum et sorores eius Helvidem, quam habuit comes Gerardus de Reneke dyocesis Herbipolensis et illam qua dux de Bronsviic genuit filiam, que in Sclavia hereditavit"[271], although the Chronicle appears to skip a generation in this account. Graf von Bliescastel. "Theodericus lantgravius et comes Volmarus de Castelle" are named in a charter dated 1155 which confirmed the prior donation of "Wulvelingen" to Kloster Stürtzelbronn[272]. “Folmarus…comes de Castel…et uxor mea Clementia” made declarations relating to Gorze Abbey by charter dated to [1152/60][273]. Hillin Archbishop of Trier confirmed an exchange of property "in pago Nahgove in archiepiscopatu Moguntino per manum Folmari comitis de Castele et advocati prædictæ curiæ" for property "in Nasove…in pago Logenæ" with the bishop of Worms, represented by "advocati maioris domus Symonis comitis de Sarbruke", adding that "prædictum castrum de Nasove" had been occupied violently by "antecessores Ruberti et Arnoldi de Lurenberg", by charter dated 9 Mar 1158 witnessed by "Symon advocatus maioris domus Wormatiensis ecclesiæ, Folmar comes de Castele, Cunradus comes de Cherberch, Hemico comes de Boimeneburch, Godefridus comes de Spanheim, Gerlacus comes de Veldenze…"[274]. “Folmarus comes de Castello et comitissa Mathildis mater uxoris meæ” founded Beaupré by charter dated 1161[275]. “...Folmarus comes de Castello et filii eius Folmarus et Hugo...” subscribed the charter dated 1172 under which “Ludovicus senior comes de Sarwerden...et frater meus Ludovicus” confirmed the foundation of Wœrschweiler (Wernereswilre) abbey[276]. "Folmarus comes de Castro et frater eius Hugo…" witnessed the charter dated 1173 under Arnold Archbishop of Trier which confirmed property to Kloster Himmerode[277].
     "m CLEMENTIA von Metz, daughter of FOLMAR [VIII] Graf von Metz & his wife Mechtild von Dagsburg. “Folmarus…comes de Castel…et uxor mea Clementia” made declarations relating to Gorze Abbey by charter dated to [1152/60][278]. “Folmarus comes de Castello et comitissa Mathildis mater uxoris meæ” founded Beaupré by charter dated 1161[279]. "
Med Lands cites:

     Folmar I von Blieskastel Graf von Blieskastel married Clementia von Metz, daughter of Folmar VIII (?) Graf von Metz et de Homburg and Mechtild von Dagsburg.^1,4,5

Folmar I von Blieskastel Graf von Blieskastel died circa 1179; Med Lands says d. 1179 or after.^1,5
      ; Per Med Lands: "CLEMENTIA . A charter dated 1157 confirms the foundation of the abbey of Beaupré “III Kal Mar” 1135 by “Folmarus comes Metensis...conjux eius femina felicis memoriæ comitissa Mathildis sed et filii eorum Folmarus et Hugo necnon et filiæ Clementia, Agnes et Adeleidis”[952]. “Folmarus…comes de Castel…et uxor mea Clementia” made declarations relating to Gorze Abbey by charter dated to [1152/60][953]. “Folmarus comes de Castello et comitissa Mathildis mater uxoris meæ” founded Beaupré, recorded in a charter dated 1161[954]. m her second cousin, FOLMAR [I] Graf von Bliescastel, son of GOTTFRIED [I] Graf von Bliescastel & his wife ---."
Med Lands cites:

Reference: Genealogics Cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 6:156.⁷ He was Graf von Bliescastel.⁵

; Per Med Lands:
     "FOLMAR [I] von Bliescastel, son of GOTTFRIED [I] Graf von Bliescastel & his wife --- (-1179 or after). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Mathildem [de Luscelenburch]" as mother of "comitem Folmerum et sorores eius Helvidem, quam habuit comes Gerardus de Reneke dyocesis Herbipolensis et illam qua dux de Bronsviic genuit filiam, que in Sclavia hereditavit"[271], although the Chronicle appears to skip a generation in this account. Graf von Bliescastel. "Theodericus lantgravius et comes Volmarus de Castelle" are named in a charter dated 1155 which confirmed the prior donation of "Wulvelingen" to Kloster Stürtzelbronn[272]. “Folmarus…comes de Castel…et uxor mea Clementia” made declarations relating to Gorze Abbey by charter dated to [1152/60][273]. Hillin Archbishop of Trier confirmed an exchange of property "in pago Nahgove in archiepiscopatu Moguntino per manum Folmari comitis de Castele et advocati prædictæ curiæ" for property "in Nasove…in pago Logenæ" with the bishop of Worms, represented by "advocati maioris domus Symonis comitis de Sarbruke", adding that "prædictum castrum de Nasove" had been occupied violently by "antecessores Ruberti et Arnoldi de Lurenberg", by charter dated 9 Mar 1158 witnessed by "Symon advocatus maioris domus Wormatiensis ecclesiæ, Folmar comes de Castele, Cunradus comes de Cherberch, Hemico comes de Boimeneburch, Godefridus comes de Spanheim, Gerlacus comes de Veldenze…"[274]. “Folmarus comes de Castello et comitissa Mathildis mater uxoris meæ” founded Beaupré by charter dated 1161[275]. “...Folmarus comes de Castello et filii eius Folmarus et Hugo...” subscribed the charter dated 1172 under which “Ludovicus senior comes de Sarwerden...et frater meus Ludovicus” confirmed the foundation of Wœrschweiler (Wernereswilre) abbey[276]. "Folmarus comes de Castro et frater eius Hugo…" witnessed the charter dated 1173 under Arnold Archbishop of Trier which confirmed property to Kloster Himmerode[277].
     "m CLEMENTIA von Metz, daughter of FOLMAR [VIII] Graf von Metz & his wife Mechtild von Dagsburg. “Folmarus…comes de Castel…et uxor mea Clementia” made declarations relating to Gorze Abbey by charter dated to [1152/60][278]. “Folmarus comes de Castello et comitissa Mathildis mater uxoris meæ” founded Beaupré by charter dated 1161[279]. "
Med Lands cites: He was living in 1135.¹

     Judith (?) married Gottfried I (?) Graf von Metz, son of Folmar IV (?) Graf im Bliesgau and Gerberga (?) von Verdun.²

     GAV-26.

; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VI 156.¹

Reference: Per Med Lands:
     "GOTTFRIED [I] (-before 1056). The Fundatio Ecclesiæ Sancti Georgii Lunarensis records that "comes Folmarus et Godefridus" donated property "ad Consengis" for the soul of "patris sui Folmari"[247]. "Godefridus et Hermannus Francorum Comites Catholici" installed nuns at Saint-Rémy de Lunéville by charter dated 1034[248].
     "m JUDITH, daughter of ---. The Fundatio Ecclesiæ Sancti Georgii Lunarensis records that "comes Godefridus" donated property "apud Priviliacum" and "comitissa Iudith" gave property "ad Bovengis"[249]. The source does not specify that Judith was the wife of Gottfried but this is a reasonable interpretation as the wife of Gottfried's brother Folmar is specified, and no other donor is named in the passage."
Med Lands cites:
; NB: There is disagreement concerning the parents of Gottfried [III] who m. Mathilde von Luxembourg.


Hypothesis A: Med Lands and Racines et Histoire (Luxembourg) both show the Folmar who m. Suanehilde and the Gottfried who m. Mathilde von Luxemburg as father and son:
I. Med Lands
I.1 Folmar [III] d. 994/95 Graf im Bliesgau m. Bertha
I.2. Folmar [IV] d. 1026 or after m. Gerberge (de Verdun?)
I.3. Gottfried [I] d. bef 1056 m. Judith
I. 4. Folmar [VI] Graf von Metz m. Suanehilde
I.5.1 Folmar [VII] d. 25 Jun 1111 m. NN
I.6 Folmar [VIII] d/ 1145 Graf vom Metz m. Mechtild de Dagsburg
I.5.2 Gottfried [III] d. 1098 or after Graf im Bliesgau m. Mathilde de Luxembourg
I.6.1 Gottfried [I] d. 1127 or after Graf im Bliesgau m. NN
I.6.2 Helwide (poss.) m. Gerhard Graf von Mainz
II. Racines et Histoire (Luxembourg) shows only two generations:
II.1 Folmar III comte de Metz m. Suanehilde, and had a son,
II.2 Gottfried graf im Bliesgau m. Mathilde de Luxembourg


Hypothesis B: Genealogics and Das Grafenhaus “Metz - Lunéville - Blieskastel” both show the Folmar who m. Suanehilde and the Gottfried who m. Mathilde von Luxemburg as brothers:
III. Genealogics
III.1 Folmar d. bef 995 Graf im Bliesgau m. Bertha
III.2 Folmar fl. 999 Graf im Bliesgau m. Gerberga de Verdun
III.3 Gottfried d. 1051/55 Graf von Metz m. NN
III.4 Folmar d. 1087 Graf von Metz m. Judith
III.5.1 Gottfried fl. 1075 Graf im Bliesgau m. Mathilde von Luxemburg
III.5.1.1 Gottfried I d. aft 1135 Graf von Blieskastel m. NN de Lorraine
III.5.1.2 Hedwig von Blieskastel m. Gerhard Burggraf von Mainz
III.5.2 Folmar fl. 1085 Graf von Metz und Homburg m. Swanahilde
III.5.2.1 Folmar d. 1142 Graf von Metz und Homburg m. Mechtild von Dagsburg


IV. Das Grafenhaus "Metz - Lunéville - Blieskastel"
IV.1 Folmar I Graf v. Metz, Graf im Blies- u. Saargau d. 995m. Bertha
IV.2 Folmar II Graf v. Metz, Gründer v. St. Remy/Lunéville m. Gerberga von Verdun
IV.3 Gottfried I., Graf v. Metz, Vogt v. St. Remy fl. 1029-1052
IV.4 Folmar III. Graf von Metz b. 1032 d. 1051 m. Judith
IV.5.1 Folmar IV Graf v. Metz und Homburg fl. 1055-1075 m. Swanehilde
IV.6.1 Folmar IV Graf v. Metz-Lunéville-Huneburg-Bischofshomburg m. Mathilde v. Dagsburg
IV.5.2 Gottfried II Graf im Bliesgau fl. 1075-1098 m. Mathilde von Luxemburg
IV.6.2 Gottfried I., Graf v. Kirkel u. Blieskastel, Anteile an Lunéville d. by 1127
IV.7 Hedwig m. Gerhard, Burggraf von Mainz


Two Wikipedia (DE) articles contribute information, but little additional clarity:
V. Wikipedia (DE) - Grafschaft Metz (Folmare - Herren von Lunéville-Hombourg)
V.1 Folmar I 982-995 Graf im Bliesgau (reign 982-995) m. Bertha
V.2 Folmar II d. 1026 or later, Gründer von St. Rémy in Lunéville, Graf im Bliesgau (reign 995-1026) m. Gerberga
V.3 Gottfried I d. bef 1056, (Graf von Metz? und) Vogt von St. Rémy (Lunéville) (1029-1052)
V.4 Folmar IV., Graf von Metz (und Hombourg?, d. 1075?) 1055/1075; ? Suanehilde
V.5 Folmar V d. 25. Juni 1111, Graf von Metz, Hüneburg und Lunéville, Domvogt von Metz, Gründer von Kloster Lixheim 1107
V.6 Folmar VI Graf von Metz und Hombourg d. 1145, begr. Kloster Beaupré, m. Mathilde von Dagsburg


VI. Wikipedia (DE) - Bliesgau (NB I presume that "his great-grandson" means the gr-grandson of Folmar I, not of Folmar II, but this is not clear.)
VI.1 Folmar I, 982 Graf im Bliesgau
VI.2 his son Folmar II, († 1026 or later), founder of St. Rémy in Lunéville, Count in Bliesgau
VI.3 (not listed)
VI.4 his great-grandson Gottfried III, Count vom Bliesgau 1075/98 his descendants called themselves Counts von Blieskastel


Conclusion: Using the various dates (and ignorning the name numbering (i.e., Folmar I, II, III, etc.) we can identify the various generational locations of the Folmar who m. Swanahilde/Suanehilde and the Gottfried who m. Mathilde von Luxemburg. However, I do not see enough evidence to confirm either Hypothesis A or B. Med Lands and Genealogics are the only texts which cites additional sources, but they reach different conclusions. For the moment, I have chosen to follow the lineage of Hypothesis A (Gottfried as son of Folmar), while I continue to study the matter. GA Vaut.^{2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11}

     Folmar VI (?) Graf von Metz married Swanahilde/Suanehilde (?)^5,6,2

Folmar VI (?) Graf von Metz died in 1085.⁷
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VI 156.⁶

; Per Med Lands:
     "FOLMAR [VI] . The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. Graf von Metz. 1055/75.
     "m SUANEHILDE, daughter of --- (-before 1075). Graf Folmar [V] & his wife had two children:
; NB: There is disagreement concerning the parents of Gottfried [III] who m. Mathilde von Luxembourg.


Hypothesis A: Med Lands and Racines et Histoire (Luxembourg) both show the Folmar who m. Suanehilde and the Gottfried who m. Mathilde von Luxemburg as father and son:
I. Med Lands
I.1 Folmar [III] d. 994/95 Graf im Bliesgau m. Bertha
I.2. Folmar [IV] d. 1026 or after m. Gerberge (de Verdun?)
I.3. Gottfried [I] d. bef 1056 m. Judith
I. 4. Folmar [VI] Graf von Metz m. Suanehilde
I.5.1 Folmar [VII] d. 25 Jun 1111 m. NN
I.6 Folmar [VIII] d/ 1145 Graf vom Metz m. Mechtild de Dagsburg
I.5.2 Gottfried [III] d. 1098 or after Graf im Bliesgau m. Mathilde de Luxembourg
I.6.1 Gottfried [I] d. 1127 or after Graf im Bliesgau m. NN
I.6.2 Helwide (poss.) m. Gerhard Graf von Mainz
II. Racines et Histoire (Luxembourg) shows only two generations:
II.1 Folmar III comte de Metz m. Suanehilde, and had a son,
II.2 Gottfried graf im Bliesgau m. Mathilde de Luxembourg


Hypothesis B: Genealogics and Das Grafenhaus “Metz - Lunéville - Blieskastel” both show the Folmar who m. Suanehilde and the Gottfried who m. Mathilde von Luxemburg as brothers:
III. Genealogics
III.1 Folmar d. bef 995 Graf im Bliesgau m. Bertha
III.2 Folmar fl. 999 Graf im Bliesgau m. Gerberga de Verdun
III.3 Gottfried d. 1051/55 Graf von Metz m. NN
III.4 Folmar d. 1087 Graf von Metz m. Judith
III.5.1 Gottfried fl. 1075 Graf im Bliesgau m. Mathilde von Luxemburg
III.5.1.1 Gottfried I d. aft 1135 Graf von Blieskastel m. NN de Lorraine
III.5.1.2 Hedwig von Blieskastel m. Gerhard Burggraf von Mainz
III.5.2 Folmar fl. 1085 Graf von Metz und Homburg m. Swanahilde
III.5.2.1 Folmar d. 1142 Graf von Metz und Homburg m. Mechtild von Dagsburg


IV. Das Grafenhaus "Metz - Lunéville - Blieskastel"
IV.1 Folmar I Graf v. Metz, Graf im Blies- u. Saargau d. 995m. Bertha
IV.2 Folmar II Graf v. Metz, Gründer v. St. Remy/Lunéville m. Gerberga von Verdun
IV.3 Gottfried I., Graf v. Metz, Vogt v. St. Remy fl. 1029-1052
IV.4 Folmar III. Graf von Metz b. 1032 d. 1051 m. Judith
IV.5.1 Folmar IV Graf v. Metz und Homburg fl. 1055-1075 m. Swanehilde
IV.6.1 Folmar IV Graf v. Metz-Lunéville-Huneburg-Bischofshomburg m. Mathilde v. Dagsburg
IV.5.2 Gottfried II Graf im Bliesgau fl. 1075-1098 m. Mathilde von Luxemburg
IV.6.2 Gottfried I., Graf v. Kirkel u. Blieskastel, Anteile an Lunéville d. by 1127
IV.7 Hedwig m. Gerhard, Burggraf von Mainz


Two Wikipedia (DE) articles contribute information, but little additional clarity:
V. Wikipedia (DE) - Grafschaft Metz (Folmare - Herren von Lunéville-Hombourg)
V.1 Folmar I 982-995 Graf im Bliesgau (reign 982-995) m. Bertha
V.2 Folmar II d. 1026 or later, Gründer von St. Rémy in Lunéville, Graf im Bliesgau (reign 995-1026) m. Gerberga
V.3 Gottfried I d. bef 1056, (Graf von Metz? und) Vogt von St. Rémy (Lunéville) (1029-1052)
V.4 Folmar IV., Graf von Metz (und Hombourg?, d. 1075?) 1055/1075; ? Suanehilde
V.5 Folmar V d. 25. Juni 1111, Graf von Metz, Hüneburg und Lunéville, Domvogt von Metz, Gründer von Kloster Lixheim 1107
V.6 Folmar VI Graf von Metz und Hombourg d. 1145, begr. Kloster Beaupré, m. Mathilde von Dagsburg


VI. Wikipedia (DE) - Bliesgau (NB I presume that "his great-grandson" means the gr-grandson of Folmar I, not of Folmar II, but this is not clear.)
VI.1 Folmar I, 982 Graf im Bliesgau
VI.2 his son Folmar II, († 1026 or later), founder of St. Rémy in Lunéville, Count in Bliesgau
VI.3 (not listed)
VI.4 his great-grandson Gottfried III, Count vom Bliesgau 1075/98 his descendants called themselves Counts von Blieskastel


Conclusion: Using the various dates (and ignorning the name numbering (i.e., Folmar I, II, III, etc.) we can identify the various generational locations of the Folmar who m. Swanahilde/Suanehilde and the Gottfried who m. Mathilde von Luxemburg. However, I do not see enough evidence to confirm either Hypothesis A or B. Med Lands and Genealogics are the only texts which cites additional sources, but they reach different conclusions. For the moment, I have chosen to follow the lineage of Hypothesis A (Gottfried as son of Folmar), while I continue to study the matter. GA Vaut.^{4,8,2,9,10,11,12,13,14,15}

     Gottfried III (?) Graf im Bliesgau married Mathilde (?) von Luxembourg, daughter of Konrad I von Luxemburg Graf von Luxemburg and Clemence (?) de Poitou, heiress of Gleibert, Css de Longwy.^5,2

Gottfried III (?) Graf im Bliesgau died circa 1098; Med Lands says d. 1098 or after.^1,2
     GAV-28.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VI 156.⁶

; Per Med Lands:
     "GOTTFRIED [III], son of FOLMAR [VI] Graf & his wife Suanehilde --- (-1098 or after). The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. Graf im Bliesgau. 1075/98. Emperor Heinrich IV donated the abbey of Hornbach "in pago Blisengowe in comitatu Godefridi" to the church of Speyer by charter dated 1087[253].
     "m MATHILDE de Luxembourg, daughter of CONRAD I Comte de Luxembourg & his [first wife Ermensende ---]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "comitem Guilelmum de Luscelenburg…et Ermensendem…et Mathildem" as children of "Conrado comiti de Luscelenburch" & his wife Ermensende, specifying that Mathilde was "comitissam de Longui et de Homborc et de Castris" and that she was mother of "comitem Folmerum et sorores eius Helvidem, quam habuit comes Gerardus de Reneke dyocesis Herbipolensis et illam qua dux de Bronsviic genuit filiam, que in Sclavia hereditavit"[254], although the Chronicle appears to skip a generation in this account. It is improbable, from a chronological point of view, that Mathilde was the daughter of Konrad´s wife Clementia, assuming that the latter is the same person as Clementia Gräfin von Gleichberg who is named in charters dated 1141 (see the document LUXEMBOURG). Considering that Mathilde´s son is named in 1087, it is unlikely that Mathilde herself could have been born much later than [1065]. If that is correct, Clementia would have been a centenarian when she died after 1141, which is unlikely. It is therefore probable that Mathilde was born from an earlier marriage of her father´s."
Med Lands cites:

; Per Med Lands:
     "MATHILDE de Luxembourg (-after 1070). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "comitem Guilelmum de Luscelenburg…et Ermensendem…et Mathildem" as children of "Conrado comiti de Luscelenburch" and his wife Ermensende, specifying that Mathilde was "comitissam de Longui et de Homborc et de Castris" and that she was mother of "comitem Folmerum et sorores eius Helvidem, quam habuit comes Gerardus de Reneke dyocesis Herbipolensis et illam qua dux de Bronsviic genuit filiam, que in Sclavia hereditavit"[179]. It is improbable, from a chronological point of view, that Mathilde was the daughter of Conrad´s wife Clementia, assuming that the latter is the same person who is named in charters dated 1141 (see above). Considering that Mathilde´s son is named in 1087, it is unlikely that Mathilde herself could have been born much later than [1065]. If that is correct, Clementia would have been a centenarian when she died after 1141, which is unlikely. It is therefore probable that Mathilde was born from an earlier marriage of her father´s.
     "m GOTTFRIED [III] Graf im Bliesgau, son of FOLMAR [VI] Comte de Metz & his wife Suanehilde --- (-1098 or after). 1075/98."
Med Lands cites: [179] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1168, MGH SS XXIII, p. 851.⁷

; Per Genealogy.EU (Luxemburg): “D6. Matilda, *after 1070; m.Gf Gottfried im Bliesgau (Blieskastel) (*by 1075, fl 1098)”


Per Racines et Histoire (Luxembourg): “1?) Matilda (Mathilde) de Luxembourg + après 1070 comtesse de Longwy
     ép. Gottfried III, graf im Bliesgau (Blieskastel) (fils de Folmar III, comte de Metz, et de Suanehilde) fl 1098 ou peu après”.⁸

; NB: There is disagreement concerning the parents of Gottfried [III] who m. Mathilde von Luxembourg.


Hypothesis A: Med Lands and Racines et Histoire (Luxembourg) both show the Folmar who m. Suanehilde and the Gottfried who m. Mathilde von Luxemburg as father and son:
I. Med Lands
I.1 Folmar [III] d. 994/95 Graf im Bliesgau m. Bertha
I.2. Folmar [IV] d. 1026 or after m. Gerberge (de Verdun?)
I.3. Gottfried [I] d. bef 1056 m. Judith
I. 4. Folmar [VI] Graf von Metz m. Suanehilde
I.5.1 Folmar [VII] d. 25 Jun 1111 m. NN
I.6 Folmar [VIII] d/ 1145 Graf vom Metz m. Mechtild de Dagsburg
I.5.2 Gottfried [III] d. 1098 or after Graf im Bliesgau m. Mathilde de Luxembourg
I.6.1 Gottfried [I] d. 1127 or after Graf im Bliesgau m. NN
I.6.2 Helwide (poss.) m. Gerhard Graf von Mainz
II. Racines et Histoire (Luxembourg) shows only two generations:
II.1 Folmar III comte de Metz m. Suanehilde, and had a son,
II.2 Gottfried graf im Bliesgau m. Mathilde de Luxembourg


Hypothesis B: Genealogics and Das Grafenhaus “Metz - Lunéville - Blieskastel” both show the Folmar who m. Suanehilde and the Gottfried who m. Mathilde von Luxemburg as brothers:
III. Genealogics
III.1 Folmar d. bef 995 Graf im Bliesgau m. Bertha
III.2 Folmar fl. 999 Graf im Bliesgau m. Gerberga de Verdun
III.3 Gottfried d. 1051/55 Graf von Metz m. NN
III.4 Folmar d. 1087 Graf von Metz m. Judith
III.5.1 Gottfried fl. 1075 Graf im Bliesgau m. Mathilde von Luxemburg
III.5.1.1 Gottfried I d. aft 1135 Graf von Blieskastel m. NN de Lorraine
III.5.1.2 Hedwig von Blieskastel m. Gerhard Burggraf von Mainz
III.5.2 Folmar fl. 1085 Graf von Metz und Homburg m. Swanahilde
III.5.2.1 Folmar d. 1142 Graf von Metz und Homburg m. Mechtild von Dagsburg


IV. Das Grafenhaus "Metz - Lunéville - Blieskastel"
IV.1 Folmar I Graf v. Metz, Graf im Blies- u. Saargau d. 995m. Bertha
IV.2 Folmar II Graf v. Metz, Gründer v. St. Remy/Lunéville m. Gerberga von Verdun
IV.3 Gottfried I., Graf v. Metz, Vogt v. St. Remy fl. 1029-1052
IV.4 Folmar III. Graf von Metz b. 1032 d. 1051 m. Judith
IV.5.1 Folmar IV Graf v. Metz und Homburg fl. 1055-1075 m. Swanehilde
IV.6.1 Folmar IV Graf v. Metz-Lunéville-Huneburg-Bischofshomburg m. Mathilde v. Dagsburg
IV.5.2 Gottfried II Graf im Bliesgau fl. 1075-1098 m. Mathilde von Luxemburg
IV.6.2 Gottfried I., Graf v. Kirkel u. Blieskastel, Anteile an Lunéville d. by 1127
IV.7 Hedwig m. Gerhard, Burggraf von Mainz


Two Wikipedia (DE) articles contribute information, but little additional clarity:
V. Wikipedia (DE) - Grafschaft Metz (Folmare - Herren von Lunéville-Hombourg)
V.1 Folmar I 982-995 Graf im Bliesgau (reign 982-995) m. Bertha
V.2 Folmar II d. 1026 or later, Gründer von St. Rémy in Lunéville, Graf im Bliesgau (reign 995-1026) m. Gerberga
V.3 Gottfried I d. bef 1056, (Graf von Metz? und) Vogt von St. Rémy (Lunéville) (1029-1052)
V.4 Folmar IV., Graf von Metz (und Hombourg?, d. 1075?) 1055/1075; ? Suanehilde
V.5 Folmar V d. 25. Juni 1111, Graf von Metz, Hüneburg und Lunéville, Domvogt von Metz, Gründer von Kloster Lixheim 1107
V.6 Folmar VI Graf von Metz und Hombourg d. 1145, begr. Kloster Beaupré, m. Mathilde von Dagsburg


VI. Wikipedia (DE) - Bliesgau (NB I presume that "his great-grandson" means the gr-grandson of Folmar I, not of Folmar II, but this is not clear.)
VI.1 Folmar I, 982 Graf im Bliesgau
VI.2 his son Folmar II, († 1026 or later), founder of St. Rémy in Lunéville, Count in Bliesgau
VI.3 (not listed)
VI.4 his great-grandson Gottfried III, Count vom Bliesgau 1075/98 his descendants called themselves Counts von Blieskastel


Conclusion: Using the various dates (and ignorning the name numbering (i.e., Folmar I, II, III, etc.) we can identify the various generational locations of the Folmar who m. Swanahilde/Suanehilde and the Gottfried who m. Mathilde von Luxemburg. However, I do not see enough evidence to confirm either Hypothesis A or B. Med Lands and Genealogics are the only texts which cites additional sources, but they reach different conclusions. For the moment, I have chosen to follow the lineage of Hypothesis A (Gottfried as son of Folmar), while I continue to study the matter. GA Vaut.^{9,10,2,11,12,13,14,15,16,17} He was living in 1075.¹

     Mathilde (?) von Luxembourg married Gottfried III (?) Graf im Bliesgau, son of Folmar VI (?) Graf von Metz and Swanahilde/Suanehilde (?).^1,5

Mathilde (?) von Luxembourg died after 1170.^3,6
      ; Per Genealogy.EU: "Matilda, *after 1070; m. Gf Gottfried im Bliesgau (Blieskastel) (*by 1075, fl 1098.)³" GAV-28.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VI 128, 156.⁷

; Per Genealogy.EU (Luxemburg): “D6. Matilda, *after 1070; m.Gf Gottfried im Bliesgau (Blieskastel) (*by 1075, fl 1098)”


Per Racines et Histoire (Luxembourg): “1?) Matilda (Mathilde) de Luxembourg + après 1070 comtesse de Longwy
     ép. Gottfried III, graf im Bliesgau (Blieskastel) (fils de Folmar III, comte de Metz, et de Suanehilde) fl 1098 ou peu après”.⁸

; Per Med Lands:
     "MATHILDE de Luxembourg (-after 1070). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "comitem Guilelmum de Luscelenburg…et Ermensendem…et Mathildem" as children of "Conrado comiti de Luscelenburch" and his wife Ermensende, specifying that Mathilde was "comitissam de Longui et de Homborc et de Castris" and that she was mother of "comitem Folmerum et sorores eius Helvidem, quam habuit comes Gerardus de Reneke dyocesis Herbipolensis et illam qua dux de Bronsviic genuit filiam, que in Sclavia hereditavit"[179]. It is improbable, from a chronological point of view, that Mathilde was the daughter of Conrad´s wife Clementia, assuming that the latter is the same person who is named in charters dated 1141 (see above). Considering that Mathilde´s son is named in 1087, it is unlikely that Mathilde herself could have been born much later than [1065]. If that is correct, Clementia would have been a centenarian when she died after 1141, which is unlikely. It is therefore probable that Mathilde was born from an earlier marriage of her father´s.
     "m GOTTFRIED [III] Graf im Bliesgau, son of FOLMAR [VI] Comte de Metz & his wife Suanehilde --- (-1098 or after). 1075/98."
Med Lands cites: [179] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1168, MGH SS XXIII, p. 851.⁶

     Johann I (?) Fürst von Mecklenburg, Herr von Rostock und Wismar was born circa 1211.^1,2 He married Luitgard (?) von Henneberg, daughter of Poppo VII (?) Graf von Henneberg and Elisabeth (?) von Wildberg, in 1230
; leo van de Pas says m. 1230; Genealogy.EU Meckl 1 page says m. 1229.^5,1,2
Johann I (?) Fürst von Mecklenburg, Herr von Rostock und Wismar died on 1 August 1264.^1,2
      ; Leo van de Pas cites: 1. Het Groothertogelijk Huis Mecklenburg Bergen-op-Zoom, 1901-1902. , W. J. F. Juten, Reference: 41
2. Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: I 119
3. Genealogisches Handbuch des Adels Fürstliche Häuser , Reference: 1959.¹

; Fst Johann I of Mecklenburg (1226-64), Hr von Rostock und Wismar (1231-64), *ca 1211, +1.8.1264, bur Doberan; m.1229 Luitgard von Henneberg (+before 14.6.1267, bur Doberan), dau.of Ct Poppo VII of Henneberg.² He was Fürst von Mecklenburg between 1226 and 1264.²

     Luitgard (?) von Henneberg married Johann I (?) Fürst von Mecklenburg, Herr von Rostock und Wismar, son of Heinrich Burwin II (?) Co-Regent of Mecklenburg, Herr zu Rostock und Werle and Kristina/Christine (?) of Sweden, in 1230
; leo van de Pas says m. 1230; Genealogy.EU Meckl 1 page says m. 1229.^1,6,2
Luitgard (?) von Henneberg died before 14 June 1267.^1,2
      ; Leo van de Pas cites: 1. Het Groothertogelijk Huis Mecklenburg Bergen-op-Zoom, 1901-1902. , W. J. F. Juten, Reference: 42
2. Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: III 75
3. Genealogisches Handbuch des Adels Fürstliche Häuser , Reference: 1959.¹

     Elisabeth (?) von Wildberg married Poppo VII (?) Graf von Henneberg, son of Poppo VI von Henneberg Graf von Henneberg and Sophie (?) Gräfin von Andechs,
;
His 1st wife.^1,2
Elisabeth (?) von Wildberg died circa 1220.¹
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "POPPO [VII] von Henneberg, son of POPPO [VI] Graf von Henneberg & his wife Sophie von Andechs-Merano (-21 Aug 1245, bur Vessra). Graf von Henneberg. “Popbo comes in Hennenberg” restored property to Kloster Vessra by charter dated 1212, witnessed by “...Liuggardis palatina...”[405]. Vogt von Kloster Bildhausen. "Henricus…Thuringie lanthgravius Saxonie comes palatinus…" settled a dispute between Hermann Bishop of Würzburg and "comitem Bopponem de Hennenberch et filios suos Henricum et Hermannum" by charter dated 8 May 1240[406].
     "m firstly ELISABETH, daughter of --- (-[1220]). The primary source which confirms her marriage has not been identified.
     "m secondly (Leipzig 3 Jan 1223) as her second husband, JUTTA von Thüringen, widow of DIETRICH von Meissen Herr zu Weissenfels, daughter of HERMANN I Landgraf of Thuringia & his first wife Sophie --- ([1183]-Schleusingen 6 Jul 1235). The Genealogica Wettinensis names "Iuditam" as the daughter of "Hermannus tunc comes palatinus Saxonie, postmodem etiam comes provincialis Thuringie" and his wife Sophie, naming her husband "Tiderici marchionis Misnensis et Orientalis, filii Othonis marchionis"[407]. The Cronica Reinhardsbrunnensis records the first marriage of "filia prima Iutta" and "Theoderici marchioni Misnensi" and her second marriage to "Bopponem comitem de Hennenberg patruum comitis Bertoldi de Henneberg" as well as her son by her second marriage "Hermannum comitem de Hennenberg" who was father of "Bopponem iuniorem de Hennenberg et Bertoldum episcopum"[408], although "Hermannum" appears to be an error for "Popponem"."
Med Lands cites:

; Leo van de Pas cites: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: III 75.¹

     Kristina/Christine (?) of Sweden married Heinrich Burwin II (?) Co-Regent of Mecklenburg, Herr zu Rostock und Werle, son of Heinrich Burwin I (?) Fürst von Mecklenburg, Prince of The Wenden, Herr von Rostock and Mechtild/Matilde (?) of Saxony, in 1200.^3,2

Kristina/Christine (?) of Sweden died after 20 May 1248.^1,2
      ; Leo van de Pas cites: 1. Het Groothertogelijk Huis Mecklenburg Bergen-op-Zoom, 1901-1902. , W. J. F. Juten, Reference: 40
2. Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: I 119
3. Genealogisches Handbuch des Adels Fürstliche Häuser , Reference: 1959.¹

; Pss Christine of Sweden (+after 20.5.1248), dau.of King Sverker II of Sweden.²

     Heinrich Burwin II (?) Co-Regent of Mecklenburg, Herr zu Rostock und Werle was born circa 1170.^1,2 He married Kristina/Christine (?) of Sweden, daughter of Sverker II Karlson "den yngre" (?) King of Sweden and Bengte/Benedicta Ebbesdatter (?), in 1200.^1,2

Heinrich Burwin II (?) Co-Regent of Mecklenburg, Herr zu Rostock und Werle died on 5 December 1226.^1,2
      ; Leo van de Pas cites: 1.Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: I 119
2. Het Groothertogelijk Huis Mecklenburg Bergen-op-Zoom, 1901-1902. , W. J. F. Juten, Reference: 40
3. Genealogisches Handbuch des Adels Fürstliche Häuser , Reference: 1959.¹

; Fst Heinrich Borwin II of Mecklenburg (1219-26), Hr von Rostock (1225-26), *ca 1170, +5.12.1226; m.ca 1200 Pss Christine of Sweden (+after 20.5.1248), dau.of King Sverker II of Sweden.² He was Fürst von Mecklenburg between 1219 and 1226.² He was Herr von Rostock und Werle between 1225 and 1226.^2,1

     Jutta (?) von Anhalt married Nikolaus I (?) Fürst von Werle, Herr zu Rostock, son of Heinrich Burwin II (?) Co-Regent of Mecklenburg, Herr zu Rostock und Werle and Kristina/Christine (?) of Sweden, in October 1231.^7,1,2,3

Jutta (?) von Anhalt died on 14 May 1277.^1,2,3
      ; Leo van de Pas cites: 1.Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: I 120
2. Het Groothertogelijk Huis Mecklenburg Bergen-op-Zoom, 1901-1902. , W. J. F. Juten, Reference: 151.¹

; Jutta, +after 14.5.1277; m.before 10.3.1233 Nikolaus I von Rostock (+1277.)³

     Nikolaus I (?) Fürst von Werle, Herr zu Rostock married Jutta (?) von Anhalt, daughter of Heinrich I "der Fette" von Ballenstedt Fürst von Anhalt and Irmgard (?) von Thüringen, in October 1231.^1,5,2,6

Nikolaus I (?) Fürst von Werle, Herr zu Rostock died on 10 May 1277.^1,2
      ; Leo van de Pas cites: 1.Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: I 120
2. Het Groothertogelijk Huis Mecklenburg Bergen-op-Zoom, 1901-1902. , W. J. F. Juten, Reference: 151.¹

; Fst Nikolaus I von Werle, Herr zu Rostock, +10.5.1277; m.X.1231 Jutta von Anhalt (+after 14.5.1277), dau.of Fst Heinrich I von Anhalt.²

     Mechtild/Matilde (?) of Saxony was born circa 1150; Genealogics says b. ca 1150; Med Lands says b. bef 1164.^1,3,5 She married Heinrich Burwin I (?) Fürst von Mecklenburg, Prince of The Wenden, Herr von Rostock, son of Przybyslaw (?) Prince of the Obotrites and Wojslawa (?) of Pomerania, in 1166
; his 1st wife; Leo van de Pas says m. 1166; Genealogy.EU Meckl page says m. bef 30/12/1178; Genealogy.EU Welf 2 page says m. 1167.^1,7,2,3
Mechtild/Matilde (?) of Saxony died before 1219.^1,3
      ; Leo van de Pas cites: Genealogisches Handbuch des Adels Fürstliche Häuser , Reference: 1959.¹

; [illegitimate by Ida von Blieskastel (*ca 1130, +ca 1190)] Matilda, *ca 1150, +before 1219; m.1167 Fst Heinrich Borwin I of Mecklenburg (*ca 1150 +28.1.1227.)³

     Ida (?) von Blieskastel married Heinrich XII 'der Löwe' (?) Duke of Bavaria & Saxony, son of Heinrich X "der Stolze/the Proud" (?) Duke of Bavaria & Saxony and Gertrude von Süpplinburg,
;
Their marriage is not certain; Med Lands says she was the mistress of Heinrich; Genealogics says the marriage was "not certain."^1,3,5,6 Ida (?) von Blieskastel was born circa 1130.^7,3
Ida (?) von Blieskastel died circa 1190.^7,3
     ; Per Med Lands:
     "HEINRICH ([1129/30]-Braunschweig 6 Aug 1195, bur Braunschweig Cathedral). His date of birth is calculated from his dying in his 66th year, according to the chronicle of the Steterburg foundation near Wolfenbüttel[425], Jordan pointing out that the chronicle's author provost Gerhard was close to Heinrich during the last years of his life. After his father's death the dispute with Konrad III King of Germany over the Welf duchies of Bavaria and Saxony continued. A temporary settlement was achieved in 1142 when Albrecht "der Bär" relinquished Saxony, which was awarded to Heinrich, who was installed as HEINRICH "der Löwe" Duke of Saxony on condition that he formally renounce his claim to the duchy of Bavaria. He renewed his claim to Bavaria after the death of his mother, whose second marriage had been arranged as part of the settlement of the issue in 1142. "Henricus dux Saxonie" confirmed the privileges of Kloster Bursfeld, founded by "comes Henricus filius Ottonis ducis, proavus meus", by charter dated 23 Jul 1144[426]. After a lengthy dispute with Albrecht "der Bär" Markgraf von Brandenburg over the inheritance of the counts of Plötzkau and Hermann von Winzenburg, Friedrich I "Barbarossa" King of Germany assigned the Plötzkauer inheritance to Markgraf Albrecht and the Winzenburger inheritance to Duke Heinrich at the diet of Würzburg in Oct 1153[427]. In order to terminate the longstanding dispute between the German kings and the Welf family, Friedrich I "Barbarossa" King of Germany deprived Heinrich "Jasomirgott" Markgraf of Austria of the duchy of Bavaria in favour of Duke Heinrich in 1156[428]. The latter was installed as HEINRICH XII Duke of Bavaria, although he spent much less time in Bavaria than in Saxony[429], presumably because of Bavaria's greater internal administrative unity which demanded less oversight than Saxony. In 1158, he exchanged some territories with Emperor Friedrich I, receiving land in the southern Harz for the domains which he had received as dowry on his first marriage[430]. From 1166 to 1170, the rebellion of the league of princes severely disrupted the administration of Saxony. Heinrich Duke of Bavaria and Saxony donated property to the church "sancte Marie…in Ourenkierken", with the consent of "heredis nostri…filie nostre Gerthrudis", by charter dated 3 Aug 1171[431]. Duke Heinrich made a pilgrimage to Jerusalem in 1172 but refused the invitation of Amaury I King of Jerusalem to fight[432]. He lost the duchies of Saxony and Bavaria in 1180, but retained his mother's inheritance of Brunswick where he established his court. He was tried in absentia at Worms in Jan 1179 for having expelled Ulrich Bishop of Halberstadt, and outlawed. Heinrich was dispossessed of his properties in summer 1180. He submitted at the general assembly at Erfurt in Nov 1181, was restored to his allodial lands around Brunswick and Lüneburg, but was exiled for three years. He left with his wife in Jul 1182 and sought refuge with his father-in-law first in Normandy, later in England, before returning to Germany in 1185[433]. "Heinricus dux de Brunswic…" witnessed the charter dated 1186 under which Konrad [I] Archbishop of Mainz confirmed property of Tettenborn church[434]. When Emperor Friedrich I was preparing to leave on crusade in late 1189, Heinrich refused to accompany him and chose exile in England once more[435]. He returned to Germany in Oct 1189 after the death of his wife. He destroyed Bardowick, captured Lübeck and Lauenburg, and attracted Hamburg to his support. Heinrich VI King of Germany appealed for help against Duke Heinrich at a diet at Merseburg in Oct 1189, unsuccessfully besieged Brunswick, but sacked Hannover. King Heinrich made a peace settlement with Duke Heinrich at Fulda in Jul 1190[436]. Heinrich failed to observe the terms of the peace agreement. Although the Saxon princes assembled troops led by Wichmann Archbishop of Magdeburg, a truce was agreed[437]. Duke Heinrich and Emperor Heinrich V were finally reconciled in Mar 1194 at Tilleda on the Kyffhäuser mountain, when the former was reconfirmed in his allodial possessions and agreed to take part in the imperial campaign in Italy later that year[438]. The Chronicon Montis Serreni records the death in 1195 of "Heinricus dux de Bruneswich" and his burial "in mon. sancti Blasii iuxta uxorem"[439]. The necrology of Lüneburg records the death "6 Aug" of "Heinricus dux"[440].
     "m firstly ([1148/49], divorced Konstanz 23 Nov 1162) as her first husband, KLEMENTIA von Zähringen, daughter of KONRAD Herzog von Zähringen & his wife Clémence de Namur (-[1173/75]). The Chronicon Sancti Michaelis Luneburgensis names "filiam ducis Zaringie, Clementiam" as wife of "Heinricus dux"[441]. Heiress of Badenweiler, although her first husband sold these Swabian estates to Friedrich I "Barbarossa" King of Germany in 1158, receiving in exchange Herzberg, Scharzfels and Pöhlde south of the Harz[442]. Her first marriage was arranged to confirm her father's alliance with the Welf party in southern Germany[443]. The Annales Palidenses record the repudiation by "Heinricus dux" of his first wife "Bertoldi ducis Zaringe sorore"[444]. Her first husband repudiated Klementia because of the growing difficulties between her brother Duke Berthold IV and Emperor Friedrich I "Barbarossa", with whom Duke Heinrich was by then in close alliance[445]. She married secondly (1164) as his third wife, Humbert III Comte de Maurienne et de Savoie. Her second marriage is confirmed by Ralph de Diceto´s Ymagines Historiarum which record in 1173 the betrothal of “Henricus rex Angliæ, Johanni filio suo cognomento sine terra” and [her daughter] “septenni filiam primogenitam Humberti comitis de Moriana...ex relicta Henrici Saxonis ducis”[446].
     "m secondly (betrothed 1165, Minden Cathedral 1 Feb 1168) MATILDA of England, daughter of HENRY II King of England & his wife Eléonore Dss d’Aquitaine (Windsor Castle Jun 1156-Brunswick 28 Jun 1189, bur Brunswick Cathedral). The Chronicon Sancti Michaelis Luneburgensis names "Megthildem filiam Henrici regis Anglorum" as second wife of "Heinricus dux"[447]. Ralph de Diceto´s Abbreviationes Chronicorum record in 1156 that “Alienor regina” gave birth to “filiam...Matildem”[448]. Ralph de Diceto´s Abbreviationes Chronicorum record in 1167 that “Matildis filia regis” married “Henrico duci Saxonico”[449]. The Chronicle of Gervase records the marriage in 1168 of "Matildis filia regis Anglie" and "dux Saxonum Henrico"[450]. Her marriage was arranged as part of the 1165 treaty of alliance between Friedrich I "Barbarossa" King of Germany and her father[451]. The Annales Sancti Blasii Brunsvicenses record that "ecclesia Sancti Blasii episcopi" was founded in 1173 and in a later passage record the death in 1188 of "domina nostra Mechtildis fundatrix"[452]. The Chronicon Montis Serreni records that "soror Rikardi Regis Anglie" wife of "Heinricus dux de Bruneswich" was buried "in mon. sancti Blasii"[453].
     "Mistress (1): [--- von Blieskastel, daughter of GOTTFRIED Graf von Blieskastel & his wife ---] ([1130]-[1190]). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Mathildem [de Luscelenburch]" as mother of "comitem Folmerum et sorores eius Helvidem, quam habuit comes Gerardus de Reneke dyocesis Herbipolensis et illam qua dux de Bronsviic genuit filiam, que in Sclavia hereditavit"[454], although the Chronicle appears to skip a generation in this account. The likely birth date of this individual suggests it is unlikely that she was the daughter of Graf Gottfried [I], given the other dates attributed to his children. Until corroboration of her parentage is found in other sources, the accuracy of Alberic must be considered doubtful. Jordan clarifies that the name "Ida" attributed to Duke Heinrich's mistress[455] is incorrect, being an error deriving from Origines Guelficæ[456] which, in recopying from the Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines, miscopied the word "illam" as "Idam"[457]."
Med Lands cites:

; Per Med Lands: "[daughter ([1130]-[1190]). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Mathildem [de Luscelenburch]" as mother of "comitem Folmerum et sorores eius Helvidem, quam habuit comes Gerardus de Reneke dyocesis Herbipolensis et illam qua dux de Bronsviic genuit filiam, que in Sclavia hereditavit"[264], although the Chronicle appears to skip a generation in this account. The likely birth date of this individual suggests it is unlikely that she was the daughter of Graf Gottfried [I], given the other dates attributed to his children. Until corroboration of her parentage is found in other sources, the accuracy of Alberic must be considered doubtful. Jordan clarifies that the name "Ida" attributed to Duke Heinrich's mistress[265] is incorrect, being an error deriving from Origines Guelficæ[266] which, in recopying from the Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines, miscopied the word "illam" as "Idam"[267]. Mistress of HEINRICH "der Löwe" Duke of Saxony [HEINRICH XII Duke of Bavaria], son of HEINRICH X "der Stolze" Duke of Bavaria and Duke of Saxony & his wife Gertrud von Süpplingenburg ([1129/30]-Braunschweig 6 Aug 1195, bur Braunschweig Cathedral).]"
Med Lands cites:

Reference: Genealogics cites: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: I 11.⁸

     Gottfried I von Blieskastel Graf von Blieskastel married NN von Lorraine.^3,1

Gottfried I von Blieskastel Graf von Blieskastel died after 1135; Med Lands says d. 1227 or after.^4,2
     Reference: Genealogics cites: He was Graf von Bliescastel between 1087 and 1127.²

     NN von Lorraine married Gottfried I von Blieskastel Graf von Blieskastel, son of Gottfried III (?) Graf im Bliesgau and Mathilde (?) von Luxembourg.^1,2

     Reference: Genealogics cites:

     Gottfried I (?) Graf von Metz married Judith (?)⁵

Gottfried I (?) Graf von Metz died between 1051 and 1055; Med Lands says d. bef 1056.^1,5
     GAV-29.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VI 156.¹

Reference: Per Med Lands:
     "GOTTFRIED [I] (-before 1056). The Fundatio Ecclesiæ Sancti Georgii Lunarensis records that "comes Folmarus et Godefridus" donated property "ad Consengis" for the soul of "patris sui Folmari"[247]. "Godefridus et Hermannus Francorum Comites Catholici" installed nuns at Saint-Rémy de Lunéville by charter dated 1034[248].
     "m JUDITH, daughter of ---. The Fundatio Ecclesiæ Sancti Georgii Lunarensis records that "comes Godefridus" donated property "apud Priviliacum" and "comitissa Iudith" gave property "ad Bovengis"[249]. The source does not specify that Judith was the wife of Gottfried but this is a reasonable interpretation as the wife of Gottfried's brother Folmar is specified, and no other donor is named in the passage."
Med Lands cites:
; NB: There is disagreement concerning the parents of Gottfried [III] who m. Mathilde von Luxembourg.


Hypothesis A: Med Lands and Racines et Histoire (Luxembourg) both show the Folmar who m. Suanehilde and the Gottfried who m. Mathilde von Luxemburg as father and son:
I. Med Lands
I.1 Folmar [III] d. 994/95 Graf im Bliesgau m. Bertha
I.2. Folmar [IV] d. 1026 or after m. Gerberge (de Verdun?)
I.3. Gottfried [I] d. bef 1056 m. Judith
I. 4. Folmar [VI] Graf von Metz m. Suanehilde
I.5.1 Folmar [VII] d. 25 Jun 1111 m. NN
I.6 Folmar [VIII] d/ 1145 Graf vom Metz m. Mechtild de Dagsburg
I.5.2 Gottfried [III] d. 1098 or after Graf im Bliesgau m. Mathilde de Luxembourg
I.6.1 Gottfried [I] d. 1127 or after Graf im Bliesgau m. NN
I.6.2 Helwide (poss.) m. Gerhard Graf von Mainz
II. Racines et Histoire (Luxembourg) shows only two generations:
II.1 Folmar III comte de Metz m. Suanehilde, and had a son,
II.2 Gottfried graf im Bliesgau m. Mathilde de Luxembourg


Hypothesis B: Genealogics and Das Grafenhaus “Metz - Lunéville - Blieskastel” both show the Folmar who m. Suanehilde and the Gottfried who m. Mathilde von Luxemburg as brothers:
III. Genealogics
III.1 Folmar d. bef 995 Graf im Bliesgau m. Bertha
III.2 Folmar fl. 999 Graf im Bliesgau m. Gerberga de Verdun
III.3 Gottfried d. 1051/55 Graf von Metz m. NN
III.4 Folmar d. 1087 Graf von Metz m. Judith
III.5.1 Gottfried fl. 1075 Graf im Bliesgau m. Mathilde von Luxemburg
III.5.1.1 Gottfried I d. aft 1135 Graf von Blieskastel m. NN de Lorraine
III.5.1.2 Hedwig von Blieskastel m. Gerhard Burggraf von Mainz
III.5.2 Folmar fl. 1085 Graf von Metz und Homburg m. Swanahilde
III.5.2.1 Folmar d. 1142 Graf von Metz und Homburg m. Mechtild von Dagsburg


IV. Das Grafenhaus "Metz - Lunéville - Blieskastel"
IV.1 Folmar I Graf v. Metz, Graf im Blies- u. Saargau d. 995m. Bertha
IV.2 Folmar II Graf v. Metz, Gründer v. St. Remy/Lunéville m. Gerberga von Verdun
IV.3 Gottfried I., Graf v. Metz, Vogt v. St. Remy fl. 1029-1052
IV.4 Folmar III. Graf von Metz b. 1032 d. 1051 m. Judith
IV.5.1 Folmar IV Graf v. Metz und Homburg fl. 1055-1075 m. Swanehilde
IV.6.1 Folmar IV Graf v. Metz-Lunéville-Huneburg-Bischofshomburg m. Mathilde v. Dagsburg
IV.5.2 Gottfried II Graf im Bliesgau fl. 1075-1098 m. Mathilde von Luxemburg
IV.6.2 Gottfried I., Graf v. Kirkel u. Blieskastel, Anteile an Lunéville d. by 1127
IV.7 Hedwig m. Gerhard, Burggraf von Mainz


Two Wikipedia (DE) articles contribute information, but little additional clarity:
V. Wikipedia (DE) - Grafschaft Metz (Folmare - Herren von Lunéville-Hombourg)
V.1 Folmar I 982-995 Graf im Bliesgau (reign 982-995) m. Bertha
V.2 Folmar II d. 1026 or later, Gründer von St. Rémy in Lunéville, Graf im Bliesgau (reign 995-1026) m. Gerberga
V.3 Gottfried I d. bef 1056, (Graf von Metz? und) Vogt von St. Rémy (Lunéville) (1029-1052)
V.4 Folmar IV., Graf von Metz (und Hombourg?, d. 1075?) 1055/1075; ? Suanehilde
V.5 Folmar V d. 25. Juni 1111, Graf von Metz, Hüneburg und Lunéville, Domvogt von Metz, Gründer von Kloster Lixheim 1107
V.6 Folmar VI Graf von Metz und Hombourg d. 1145, begr. Kloster Beaupré, m. Mathilde von Dagsburg


VI. Wikipedia (DE) - Bliesgau (NB I presume that "his great-grandson" means the gr-grandson of Folmar I, not of Folmar II, but this is not clear.)
VI.1 Folmar I, 982 Graf im Bliesgau
VI.2 his son Folmar II, († 1026 or later), founder of St. Rémy in Lunéville, Count in Bliesgau
VI.3 (not listed)
VI.4 his great-grandson Gottfried III, Count vom Bliesgau 1075/98 his descendants called themselves Counts von Blieskastel


Conclusion: Using the various dates (and ignorning the name numbering (i.e., Folmar I, II, III, etc.) we can identify the various generational locations of the Folmar who m. Swanahilde/Suanehilde and the Gottfried who m. Mathilde von Luxemburg. However, I do not see enough evidence to confirm either Hypothesis A or B. Med Lands and Genealogics are the only texts which cites additional sources, but they reach different conclusions. For the moment, I have chosen to follow the lineage of Hypothesis A (Gottfried as son of Folmar), while I continue to study the matter. GA Vaut.^{5,6,2,7,8,9,10,11,12,13}

     Gerberga (?) von Verdun married Folmar IV (?) Graf im Bliesgau, son of Folmar III (?) Graf von Metz u. im Bliesgau and Bertha (?).^4,1,5,6,2

     GAV-30.

; Per Med Lands: "m GERBERGE, daughter of ---. The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified. According to Europäische Stammtafeln[246], she was possibly Gerberge de Verdun, daughter of Godefroi "der Gefangene" Comte de Verdun & his wife Mechtild of Saxony [Billung] but the basis for this speculation is not known."
Med Lands cites: [246] ES XVIII 152.⁶

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VI 156.¹

     Folmar IV (?) Graf im Bliesgau married Gerberga (?) von Verdun, daughter of Godefroi/Godfrey "the Old" "the Prisoner" I (?) Graf von Bidgau Bidgau, Ct of Verdun and Mathilde/Maud Billung (?) von Sachsen.^1,5,2,6,7

Folmar IV (?) Graf im Bliesgau died circa 1026.^1,6
     GAV-27.

; Per Med Lands:
     "FOLMAR [IV], son of [FOLMAR [III] Graf im Bliesgau & his wife Bertha ---] (-1026 or after). The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. The Fundatio Ecclesiæ Sancti Georgii Lunarensis records that "comes Folmarus senex" founded the monastery of Saint-Rémy at Lunéville[245].
     "m GERBERGE, daughter of ---. The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified. According to Europäische Stammtafeln[246], she was possibly Gerberge de Verdun, daughter of Godefroi "der Gefangene" Comte de Verdun & his wife Mechtild of Saxony [Billung] but the basis for this speculation is not known."
Med Lands cites:

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VI 156.¹ He was living in 999.¹