Eustace de Pacy (?) bâtard de Breteuil1,2,3

M, #15601
FatherGuillaume II (?) de Breteuil, comte de Breteuil, châtelain d’Ivry4 d. 12 Jan 1103
Last Edited10 Mar 2020
     Eustace de Pacy (?) bâtard de Breteuil married Juliane (?), daughter of Henry I "Beauclerc" (?) King of England and Ansfride (?), in 1103.1,5,3

Family

Juliane (?) b. c 1090, d. 1136

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), pp. 183-185, NORMANDY 8:iv. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  2. [S1361] Mike Ashley, The Mammoth Book of British Kings & Queens (New York: Carroll & Graf Publishers, Inc., 1998), p. 511 (Chart 37). Hereinafter cited as Ashley (1998) - British Kings.
  3. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bayeux-Ivry.pdf, p. 4. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guillaume: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00426936&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  5. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Normandy page - Normandy Family: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/normandy/normandy.html

William de Tracy1,2

M, #15602, d. circa 1136
FatherHenry I "Beauclerc" (?) King of England b. Sep 1068, d. 1 Dec 1135; Phillips cites: Complete Peerage, in Appendix D of volume 11 (1949), by Geoffrey H. White1,3,4
Last Edited19 Dec 2020
     William de Tracy died circa 1136; died "soon after his father". Boyer says d. ca 1136; Med Lands says d. aft Dec 1135.1,4
     ; Little is known of William de Tracy. He is stated to have died soon after his father, King Henry I. Historians have assumed that he is the same individual who held a barony in Devonshire, but there is no evidence that I know of which links the Devonshire man to William de Tracy who was the bastard son of King Henry I. I have seen no contemporary record, by the way, in which William de Tracy is styled "king's son." He is probably a bastard son, but I know of no direct contemporary evidence to prove it.5

; Stewart Baldwin wrote: (11) Rohese, married Henry de la Pomerai
> She was described as a sister of earl Reginald of Cornwall, but never
> as a daughter of Henry, so it cannot be ruled out that she was a
> sister of Reginald only through their mother.


Sheppard, in AR7, argued that William de Tracy (II), son of Henry's bastard William, married the daughter of Henry de Pomerai and Rohese, sister of Earl Reginald, and hence Rohese would not have been Henry's daughter.

taf.6

Family

Children

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), pp. 183-185, NORMANDY 8:vi. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Normandy page - Normandy Family: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/normandy/normandy.html
  3. [S1513] Chris Phillips, "Phillips email "Bastards of Henry I"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/RkKZnaKJH3k/m/uC7N0kFlCwAJ) to e-mail address, 14 November 2003. Hereinafter cited as "Phillips email 14 November 2003."
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLAND,%20Kings%201066-1603.htm#HenryIdied1135B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S1515] Douglas Richardson, "Richardson 15 Nov email "Re: Bastards of Henry I"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/RkKZnaKJH3k/m/uC7N0kFlCwAJ) to e-mail address, 15 Nov 2003. Hereinafter cited as "Richardson email 15 Nov 2003."
  6. [S1518] Todd A. Farmerie, "Farmerie 14 Nov email "Re: Bastards of Henry I"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 14 Nov 2003. Hereinafter cited as "Farmerie email 14 Nov 2003."
  7. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Sudeley Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.

Maud/Matilda (?) Abbess of Montvilliers1,2

F, #15604
FatherHenry I "Beauclerc" (?) King of England b. Sep 1068, d. 1 Dec 1135; Phillips cites: Complete Peerage, in Appendix D of volume 11 (1949), by Geoffrey H. White1,3,2
MotherSibylla Corbet of Alcester1 b. c 1075, d. a 1157
Last Edited19 Dec 2020

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), pp. 183-185, NORMANDY 8:xiv. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLAND,%20Kings%201066-1603.htm#HenryIdied1135B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  3. [S1513] Chris Phillips, "Phillips email "Bastards of Henry I"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/RkKZnaKJH3k/m/uC7N0kFlCwAJ) to e-mail address, 14 November 2003. Hereinafter cited as "Phillips email 14 November 2003."

Henry de la Pomerai1

M, #15605, d. before 1167
FatherJoscelin de la Pomerai2 d. 1167
Last Edited19 Aug 2004
     Henry de la Pomerai married Rohese (?) Princess of England, daughter of Henry I "Beauclerc" (?) King of England and Sibylla Corbet of Alcester, before 1146.1,3
Henry de la Pomerai died before 1167.3

Family

Rohese (?) Princess of England b. c 1114, d. a 1176
Children

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), pp. 183-185, NORMANDY 8:xv. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  2. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 195-26, p. 165. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  3. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Normandy page - Normandy Family: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/normandy/normandy.html

Henry de la Pomerai1

M, #15606, d. after 1193
FatherHenry de la Pomerai1 d. b 1167
MotherRohese (?) Princess of England1 b. c 1114, d. a 1176
Last Edited4 Jan 2002
     Henry de la Pomerai married Maud (Matilda) de Viteri.2
Henry de la Pomerai died after 1193.2
     Henry de la Pomerai lived at Berry Pomeroy, Devonshire, England.2

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), pp. 183-185, NORMANDY 8:xv. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  2. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 195-27, p. 165. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  3. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis AR-7, line 195-278, p. 166.

Joscelin de la Pomerai1

M, #15607
FatherHenry de la Pomerai1 d. b 1167
MotherRohese (?) Princess of England1 b. c 1114, d. a 1176
Last Edited7 Sep 2001

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), pp. 183-185, NORMANDY 8:xv. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.

Gilbert (?)1,2

M, #15608, b. circa 1130, d. after 1142
FatherHenry I "Beauclerc" (?) King of England b. Sep 1068, d. 1 Dec 1135; Phillips cites: Complete Peerage, in Appendix D of volume 11 (1949), by Geoffrey H. White1,3,4
Last Edited19 Dec 2020
     Gilbert (?) was born circa 1130.5
Gilbert (?) died after 1142.4
     ; not mentioned after 1142.1,2

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), pp. 183-185, NORMANDY 8:xvii. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Normandy page - Normandy Family: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/normandy/normandy.html
  3. [S1513] Chris Phillips, "Phillips email "Bastards of Henry I"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/RkKZnaKJH3k/m/uC7N0kFlCwAJ) to e-mail address, 14 November 2003. Hereinafter cited as "Phillips email 14 November 2003."
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLAND,%20Kings%201066-1603.htm#HenryIdied1135B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S1361] Mike Ashley, The Mammoth Book of British Kings & Queens (New York: Carroll & Graf Publishers, Inc., 1998), p. 511 (Chart 37). Hereinafter cited as Ashley (1998) - British Kings.

Alice (Aline) (?) of England1,2,3

F, #15609, d. before 24 April 1141
FatherHenry I "Beauclerc" (?) King of England b. Sep 1068, d. 1 Dec 1135; Phillips cites: Complete Peerage, in Appendix D of volume 11 (1949), by Geoffrey H. White1,4,5
Last Edited19 Dec 2020
     Alice (Aline) (?) of England married Mattieu I de Montmorency Baron de Montmorency, son of Bouchard III/IV de Montmorency seigneur de Montmorency, Marly, Ecouen, Verneuil, Saint-Brice, Epinay et Hérouville and Agnes de Beaumont Dame de Conflans, in 1126.2,3
Alice (Aline) (?) of England died before 24 April 1141.5
     ; illegitimate.2 GKJ-24. Alice (Aline) (?) of England was also known as Alice (?) of England.

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), pp. 183-185, NORMANDY 8:xxiii. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Normandy page - Normandy Family: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/normandy/normandy.html
  3. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Morency 1 page - Montmorency family: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/morency/morency1.html
  4. [S1513] Chris Phillips, "Phillips email "Bastards of Henry I"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/RkKZnaKJH3k/m/uC7N0kFlCwAJ) to e-mail address, 14 November 2003. Hereinafter cited as "Phillips email 14 November 2003."
  5. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLAND,%20Kings%201066-1603.htm#HenryIdied1135B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Baron Bouchard V de Montmorency: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026319&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  7. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/PARIS%20REGION%20NOBILITY.htm#BouchardIVMontmorencydied1189

Mattieu I de Montmorency Baron de Montmorency1,2,3

M, #15610, d. after 1 August 1160
FatherBouchard III/IV de Montmorency seigneur de Montmorency, Marly, Ecouen, Verneuil, Saint-Brice, Epinay et Hérouville4,3,5 b. bt 1075 - 1077, d. 2 Jan 1131
MotherAgnes de Beaumont Dame de Conflans6,3,7,8 b. c 1075, d. b 1105
ReferenceEDV25 GKJ25
Last Edited8 Nov 2020
     Mattieu I de Montmorency Baron de Montmorency married Alice (Aline) (?) of England, daughter of Henry I "Beauclerc" (?) King of England, in 1126.9,3 Mattieu I de Montmorency Baron de Montmorency married Adelaide de Maurienne Countess of Savoy, Queen of France, daughter of Umberto II "il Rinforzato" (?) Count of Maurienne, Aosta & Savoy, Margrave of Turin and Gisela (?) Countess of Burgundy-Ivrea, in 1141; her 2nd husband.10,2,11 Mattieu I de Montmorency Baron de Montmorency and Adelaide de Maurienne Countess of Savoy, Queen of France were divorced.3
Mattieu I de Montmorency Baron de Montmorency died after 1 August 1160.2,3
     He was Constable of France.1 EDV-25 GKJ-25.

; Matthieu, Baron de Montmorency, Connetable of France, +after 1.8.1160; 1m: 1126 Alice of England; 2m: 1141 (separated) Adele of Savoy (+18.11.1154), Queen of France; all children by 1m.3 Mattieu I de Montmorency Baron de Montmorency was also known as Matthew de Montmorency.10

Family 1

Child

Citations

  1. [S1361] Mike Ashley, The Mammoth Book of British Kings & Queens (New York: Carroll & Graf Publishers, Inc., 1998), p. 511 (Chart 37). Hereinafter cited as Ashley (1998) - British Kings.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Savoy 1 page (The House of Savoy): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/savoy/savoy1.html
  3. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Morency 1 page - Montmorency family: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/morency/morency1.html
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Bouchard III: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00079910&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  5. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Maison de Montmorency, p. 4: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Montmorency.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Agnes de Beaumont: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00079911&tree=LEO
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Agnes de Beaumont: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00079911&tree=LEO
  8. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/PARIS%20REGION%20NOBILITY.htm#BouchardIIIMontmorencydied1130. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  9. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Normandy page - Normandy Family: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/normandy/normandy.html
  10. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), pp. 183-185, NORMANDY 8:xxiii. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adèle de Savoie: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00000214&tree=LEO
  12. [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Chatillon.pdf, p. 3.
  13. [S1967] J Bunot, "Bunot email 27 Sept 2005: "Le Bouteiller/Breaute (Baillon)"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/xdExALvLFSk/m/CqmJPHK1txMJ) to e-mail address, 27 Sept 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Bunot email 27 Sept 2005."
  14. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Baron Bouchard V de Montmorency: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026319&tree=LEO
  15. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/PARIS%20REGION%20NOBILITY.htm#BouchardIVMontmorencydied1189

Isabel (?)1,2

F, #15611, d. after 1120
FatherHenry I "Beauclerc" (?) King of England b. Sep 1068, d. 1 Dec 1135; Phillips cites: Complete Peerage, in Appendix D of volume 11 (1949), by Geoffrey H. White1,3,4
MotherIsabel (Elizabeth) de Beaumont1,4 b. c 1096, d. a 1172
Last Edited19 Dec 2020
     Isabel (?) died after 1120.5

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), pp. 183-185, NORMANDY 8:xxiv. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Normandy page - Normandy Family: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/normandy/normandy.html
  3. [S1513] Chris Phillips, "Phillips email "Bastards of Henry I"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/RkKZnaKJH3k/m/uC7N0kFlCwAJ) to e-mail address, 14 November 2003. Hereinafter cited as "Phillips email 14 November 2003."
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLAND,%20Kings%201066-1603.htm#HenryIdied1135B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S1361] Mike Ashley, The Mammoth Book of British Kings & Queens (New York: Carroll & Graf Publishers, Inc., 1998), p. 511 (Chart 37). Hereinafter cited as Ashley (1998) - British Kings.

Roger fitz Robert Bishop of Winchester1,2

M, #15612, d. 1179
FatherRobert de Caen "The Consul" (?) 1st Earl of Gloucester1 b. c 1090, d. 31 Oct 1147
MotherMaud Mabel Fitz Hamon1
Last Edited20 Aug 2004
     Roger fitz Robert Bishop of Winchester died in 1179.2

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), pp. 185-186, NORMANDY 9:ii. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Normandy page - Normandy Family: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/normandy/normandy.html

Hamon fitz Robert1

M, #15613, d. 1159
FatherRobert de Caen "The Consul" (?) 1st Earl of Gloucester1 b. c 1090, d. 31 Oct 1147
MotherMaud Mabel Fitz Hamon1
Last Edited20 Aug 2004
     Hamon fitz Robert died in 1159; died in Henry II's expedition to besiege Toulouse in 1159.1

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), pp. 185-186, NORMANDY 9:iii. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.

Richard (?) Lord of Creully1

M, #15614, d. 1175
FatherRobert de Caen "The Consul" (?) 1st Earl of Gloucester1 b. c 1090, d. 31 Oct 1147
MotherMaud Mabel Fitz Hamon1
Last Edited9 Mar 2004
     Richard (?) Lord of Creully died in 1175.1

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), pp. 185-186, NORMANDY 9:v. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.

Richard (?)1

M, #15615
FatherRobert de Caen "The Consul" (?) 1st Earl of Gloucester1 b. c 1090, d. 31 Oct 1147
Last Edited9 Mar 2004
     ; a bastard.1

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), pp. 185-186, NORMANDY 9:vi. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.

Robert fitz Robert de Caen1,2,3

M, #15616, b. 1121, d. 1183
FatherRobert de Caen "The Consul" (?) 1st Earl of Gloucester1 b. c 1090, d. 31 Oct 1147
MotherMaud Mabel Fitz Hamon1
Last Edited2 Oct 2019
     Robert fitz Robert de Caen married Hawise de Reviers, daughter of Baldwin de Reviers 2nd Earl of Devon and Adelise (?).3 Robert fitz Robert de Caen was born in 1121 at Gloucestershire, England.3
Robert fitz Robert de Caen was buried in 1183 at Keynsham Abbey, Keynsham, Bath and North East Somerset Unitary Authority, co. Somerset, England,

; From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     1121, Gloucestershire, England
     DEATH     1183 (aged 61–62), Somerset, England
     Son of Robert Fitzroy Caen and Mable FitzRobert. Grandson of Henri I Beauclerc, King of England and Sybilla Corbet, Robert FitzHamon and Sibly Montgomery. Husband of Hawise Reviers, the daughter of Baldwin Reviers and Adeliza Lucia Ballon, father of Mabel Mabira Caen who married Jordan Champernon from France.
     Family Members
     Parents
      Robert de Caen 1090–1147
      Mabel FitzHamon FitzRobert 1090–1157
     Siblings
      William FitzRobert 1116–1183
      Robert Fitzrobert 1120–1170
      Maud de Caen 1120–1189
     BURIAL     Keynsham Abbey, Keynsham, Bath and North East Somerset Unitary Authority, Somerset, England
     Maintained by: Anne Shurtleff Stevens
     Originally Created by: Jerry Ferren
     Added: 11 Dec 2011
     Find A Grave Memorial 81810725.3
Robert fitz Robert de Caen died in 1183 at co. Somerset, England.3

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), pp. 185-186, NORMANDY 9:vii. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Normandy page - Normandy Family: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/normandy/normandy.html
  3. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 02 October 2019), memorial page for Robert de Caen (1121–1183), Find A Grave Memorial no. 81810725, citing Keynsham Abbey, Keynsham, Bath and North East Somerset Unitary Authority, Somerset, England ; Maintained by Anne Shurtleff Stevens (contributor 46947920), at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/81810725/robert-de-caen. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.

Robert Fitz William1

M, #15617, d. 1166
FatherWilliam Muellent Fitz Robert 2nd Earl of Gloucester1,2,3 b. c 1122, d. 23 Nov 1183
MotherHawise de Beaumont1,2,3,4 d. 24 Apr 1197
Last Edited2 Oct 2019
     Robert Fitz William was born at Cardiff, Wales.1
Robert Fitz William was buried in 1166 at Keynsham Abbey, Keynsham, Bath and North East Somerset Unitary Authority, co. Somerset, England,

; From Find A Grave:
     BIRTH     unknown
     DEATH     1166
     Family Members
     Parents
      William FitzRobert 1116–1183
     Siblings
      Amice FitzWilliam Clare 1160–1225
      Isabella FitzWilliam Burgh 1165–1217
     BURIAL     Keynsham Abbey, Keynsham, Bath and North East Somerset Unitary Authority, Somerset, England
     Created by: Todd Whitesides
     Added: 22 Jul 2016
     Find A Grave Memorial 167288040.5
Robert Fitz William died in 1166 at Cardiff, Wales.1,2
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 3:354.3

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), pp. 186, NORMANDY 11:i. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Normandy page - Normandy Family: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/normandy/normandy.html
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Robert: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00320938&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hawise de Beaumont: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027785&tree=LEO
  5. [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 02 October 2019), memorial page for Robert FitzWilliam (unknown–1166), Find A Grave Memorial no. 167288040, citing Keynsham Abbey, Keynsham, Bath and North East Somerset Unitary Authority, Somerset, England ; Maintained by Todd Whitesides (contributor 47553735), at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/167288040/robert-fitzwilliam. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.

Gospatric II (?) 2nd Earl of Dunbar1,2,3

M, #15618, b. circa 1062, d. 23 August 1138
FatherGospatric I (?) Earl of Northumberland, 1st Earl of Dunbar, Lord of Carlisle and Allerdale1,3,4,5 b. bt 1040 - 1048, d. 15 Dec 1075
ReferenceGAV26
Last Edited26 Aug 2020
     Gospatric II (?) 2nd Earl of Dunbar married Sybil Morel, daughter of Arkil Morel.6 Gospatric II (?) 2nd Earl of Dunbar was born circa 1062.3
Gospatric II (?) 2nd Earl of Dunbar died on 23 August 1138 at Battle of the Standard, near Northallerton, N. Yorkshire, England; k leading his men of Lothian in Scottish defeat by the English at the Battle of the Standard.6,7,3
     He was GOSPATRIC de DUNBAR, 1st EARL (OF DUNBAR); living c 1115, when he seems to have been a signatory to the Charter of Scone by which the Abbey of Scone was founded; k leading his men of Lothian in Scottish defeat by the English at the Battle of the Standard (nr Northallerton, N Yorks) 23 Aug 1138.7 GAV-26. He was Earl of Dunbar, Baron of Beanley.6 He was living in 1115.7

Family

Sybil Morel
Children

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 187, NURTHUMBERLAND 3:ii. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  2. [S1361] Mike Ashley, The Mammoth Book of British Kings & Queens (New York: Carroll & Graf Publishers, Inc., 1998), p. 410 (Chart 22). Hereinafter cited as Ashley (1998) - British Kings.
  3. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Dunkeld page (The House of Dunkeld): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brit/dunkeld.html
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gospatric, Earl of Northumberland, 'Earl of Dunbar': https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00076164&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  5. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTTISH%20NOBILITY.htm#GospatrickDunbardied1075B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  6. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
    Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 41-23, p. 44. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7.
  7. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Dunbar of Mochrum Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  8. [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis AR-7, line 41-24, p. 44.
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Cospatrick: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164965&tree=LEO

Seisyll ap Prawst1

M, #15619
FatherPrawst ab Elise1
ReferenceGAV28 EDV28
Last Edited20 Aug 2019
     Seisyll ap Prawst married Prawst ferch Elisedd, daughter of Elisedd ab Anarawd.2,3,4
     Reference:
Genealogics cites: Burke's Guide to the Royal Family, London, 1973. 324.3 GAV-28 EDV-28.

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 188, NORTH WALES 1. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  2. [S1361] Mike Ashley, The Mammoth Book of British Kings & Queens (New York: Carroll & Graf Publishers, Inc., 1998), p. 331. Hereinafter cited as Ashley (1998) - British Kings.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Seisyll: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139761&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Prawst: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139762&tree=LEO

Prawst ab Elise1

M, #15620
ReferenceGAV29 EDV29
Last Edited22 Feb 2003
     GAV-29 EDV-29 GKJ-29.

Family

Child

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 188, NORTH WALES 1. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.

Owain ap Hywel Dda King of South Wales1,2

M, #15621, d. 988
FatherHywell Dda "the Good" ap Cadell King of Seisyllwg (King of Wales)3,4,2 b. bt 880 - 882, d. 950
MotherElen ferch Llywarch5,4,2
ReferenceGAV28 EDV28
Last Edited27 Feb 2004
     Owain ap Hywel Dda King of South Wales died in 988.6,4,2
     ; Owain ap Hywel Dda, king of South Wales, d. 988 [AC] [HG.1,2, where he appears as "[O]uen map [H]iguel" in the former (which gives his ancestry through his father), and "[O]uein map Elen" in the latter (which gives his ancestry through his mother). The letters in brackets are accidental omissions. Since the early forms of the names in HG are so much different from the modern Welsh forms, they will be given for each of Owain's ancestors as they appear in HG for sake of comparison.]
AC = Annales Cambriae
HG = Genealogies from Harleian MS. 3859, fo. 193r-195r, edited in EWGT, pp. 9-13 (a copy made ca. 1100 of genealogies compiled probably between 954 and 988.)4

; Leo van de Pas cites: 1. Burke's Guide to the Royal Family London, 1973 , Reference: 323
2. Annales Cambriae.2 GAV-28 EDV-28 GKJ-29. He was King of Deheubarth, [Ashley, pp. 334-335] OWAIN AP HYWEL Deheubarth, 950-86. HYWEL DDA 's three sons inherited Deheubarth in south Wales and split it between them, but it was important that they remained united for immediately they were under attack from IAGO AB IDWAL, who was determined to regain Gwynedd and avenge the death of his father and the loss of his inheritance. The sons of Idwal and the sons of Hywel met in battle at Nant Carno, in Arwystli. The victory went to Iago and Ieuaf and they reclaimed Gwynedd and Powys. The two sides continued to battle for the next three years, with Idwal and Iago usually proving the stronger. Eventually, by 954, Owain and his brother left the bellicose northern brothers alone. In fact Owain was soon on his own. Rhodri died in 953 and Edwin in 954, both still young. As they had no heirs, Owain's claim to the throne was strong. It may have been this, and the strife to the north, that caused Owain to order the organization of the Welsh chronicles and genealogies, tracing not only his paternal and maternal descent but those of other dynasties. This work was completed by about 977.
Although Owain left Gwynedd alone after 954, in 960 he led a punitive attack against the kingdom of Morgannwg. Border skirmishes continued and in 970 Owain's son Einion laid waste to the Gower peninsula which had been occupied by the men of MORGAN hen, a tactic which was repeated in 977. Indeed, Owain's sons Einion and MAREDUDD seemed more proficient as soldiers than their father. Einion was more prone to involvement in petty scraps, including a territorial dispute with Alfhere of Mercia who, supported by HYWEL AP IEUAF of Gwynedd, invaded Einion's lands in 983. It was a similar skirmish, this time with the men of Gwent, that led to Einion's death in battle in Gower in 984. It may have been this incident that caused Owain to decide to step down as ruler and leave the administration in the hands of Maredudd, although Owain remained king in name until his death in 988. between 950 and 986.6

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 188, NORTH WALES 1. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Owain ap Hywel Dda: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00163438&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, pp. 211-212, RHYS ap TEWDWR MAWR 1.
  4. [S1527] GEN-MEDIEVAL/soc.genealogy.medieval: "Llywelyn ap Iorwerth ancestor table", online http://www.rootsweb.com/~medieval/llywelyn.htm. Hereinafter cited as Baldwin: Llywelyn ap Iorweth Ancestor Table.
  5. [S1361] Mike Ashley, The Mammoth Book of British Kings & Queens (New York: Carroll & Graf Publishers, Inc., 1998), pp. 330, 333-334. Hereinafter cited as Ashley (1998) - British Kings.
  6. [S1361] Mike Ashley, Ashley (1998) - British Kings, p. 331, 334-335.
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Maredudd ab Owain: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139757&tree=LEO

Cynfyn ap Gwerystan1

M, #15622
FatherGwerystan ap Gwaithfoed of Powys1
ReferenceGAV26
Last Edited29 Sep 2004
     Cynfyn ap Gwerystan married Angharad ferch Maredudd, daughter of Maredudd ap Owain King of Deheubarth and Gwynedd.1
     GAV-26.

Family 1

Child

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 188, NORTH WALES 1. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  2. [S1527] GEN-MEDIEVAL/soc.genealogy.medieval: "Llywelyn ap Iorwerth ancestor table", online http://www.rootsweb.com/~medieval/llywelyn.htm. Hereinafter cited as Baldwin: Llywelyn ap Iorweth Ancestor Table.
  3. [S1361] Mike Ashley, The Mammoth Book of British Kings & Queens (New York: Carroll & Graf Publishers, Inc., 1998), pp. 366, 353. Hereinafter cited as Ashley (1998) - British Kings.
  4. [S1361] Mike Ashley, Ashley (1998) - British Kings, pp. 366, 352-353.

Gwerystan ap Gwaithfoed of Powys1

M, #15623
ReferenceGAV27
Last Edited29 Sep 2004
     GAV-27.

Family

Child

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 188, NORTH WALES 1. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.

Agnes de Orreby1,2

F, #15624
FatherPhilip de Orreby1,2 b. c 1190, d. b 1230
MotherLeuca de Mohaut1,2 d. b 1230
ReferenceGAV21 GKJ21
Last Edited6 Sep 2008
     Agnes de Orreby married Sir Walkelin de Arderne, son of Sir John de Arderne and Margaret de Aldford.1,3,2
     ; van de Pas cites: Lineage book of the descendants of the illegitimate sons and daughters of the kings of Great Britain, Reference: 2.2 GAV-21 GKJ-21.

Family

Sir Walkelin de Arderne d. c 1265
Children

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 189 ORREBY 3:i. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Agnes de Orreby: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00314673&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S927] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=:1684279, Mary Sanford (unknown location), downloaded ypdated 1 Nov 2001.
  4. [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215 : The Barons Named in the Magna
    Charta, 1215 and Some of Their Descendants Who Settled in America
    During the Early Colonial Years, 5th Edition
    (Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishine Co., Inc., unknown publish date), line 129-5, p. 169. Hereinafter cited as Weis MCS-5.

Sir Walkelin de Arderne1,2

M, #15625, d. circa 1265
FatherSir John de Arderne3
MotherMargaret de Aldford3
ReferenceGAV21 GKJ21
Last Edited6 Sep 2008
     Sir Walkelin de Arderne married Agnes de Orreby, daughter of Philip de Orreby and Leuca de Mohaut.1,3,4
Sir Walkelin de Arderne died circa 1265.3
     GAV-21 GKJ-21. Sir Walkelin de Arderne was also known as Walkelyn de Arderne.3

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 189 ORREBY 3:i. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  2. [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215 : The Barons Named in the Magna
    Charta, 1215 and Some of Their Descendants Who Settled in America
    During the Early Colonial Years, 5th Edition
    (Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishine Co., Inc., unknown publish date), line 129-4, p. 169. Hereinafter cited as Weis MCS-5.
  3. [S927] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=:1684279, Mary Sanford (unknown location), downloaded ypdated 1 Nov 2001.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Agnes de Orreby: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00314673&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  5. [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis MCS-5, line 129-5, p. 169.

Robert Paynel1

M, #15626, d. before 1153
FatherGervase Paynel1 d. 1194
MotherElizabeth (Isabel) de Beaumont1 d. a 1188
Last Edited10 Sep 2001
     Robert Paynel died before 1153.1

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 192, PAYNEL 2:i. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.

Alberic (?) Cte de Dammartin, de Clermont et d'Aumale1

M, #15627, b. 1222, d. 1284
FatherPhilippe dit Tristan Hurepel (?) Cte de Clermont-en-Beauvaisis, de Mortain, d'Aumale, de Boulogne et de Dammartin b. 1200, d. 19 Jul 1234; Per Genealogics: "'son' Alberich did not exist"1,2
MotherMathilde/Mahaut/Mafalda (?) Cts de Dammartin et de Boulogne1 b. c 1202, d. 19 Jul 1258
Last Edited23 Jun 2020
     Alberic (?) Cte de Dammartin, de Clermont et d'Aumale was born in 1222.1
Alberic (?) Cte de Dammartin, de Clermont et d'Aumale died in 1284.1
     ; he gave up his estates and titles in favor of his sister and went to England.1

; per Stewart: "Another statement of mine in a post from 2003 required correction:

> Mahaut [daughter of Renaud de Dammartin] had two children by Louis
> IX's (half-) uncle Philippe Hurepel. Both survived their father:
> Alberic, count of Dammartin-en-Goële, Clermont & Aumale reportedly
> gave up his estates and titles in favour of his sister Jeanne and
> went to England, where he is said to have died after 1284. If so he
> was still living when his mother died, and King Louis would probably
> not have simply disregarded his former rights in these new
> circumstances in favour of a female cousin whose hereditary position
> was much weaker. (Alberic's sister Jeanne, countess of Aumale, etc,
> following her brother's departure, predeceased their mother, dying
> in 1252.)

There was no Alberic, he is just a persistent chimera based on absurdity.

Patrick van Kerrebrouck included him, without citing any source or
giving any dates, in _Les Capétiens 987–1328_ (Villeneuve d’Ascq, 2000),
p. 112. Unlike most unsourced information in Kerrebrouck's work this did
not come from Père Anselme, who happily knew nothing of such a personage.

The direct source was most probably the article on the counts of
Dammartin in _L’art de vérifier les dates_, relying on an article by
Jean-François Dreux du Radier in the July 1757 issue of _Le Conservateur
ou Collection de morceaux rares_ where a genealogy in verse of the
counts of Dammartin written in the 15th century, apparently taken from a
copy made in the 16th, was printed. This wrongly states that Mahaut's
father Renaud was pardoned by King Philippe Auguste and that her son
Alberic by Phillipe the "eldest" (actually, of course, the youngest) son
of the king was count of Dammartin in 1244.

This is demonstrably false, as we have a charter of Philippe Hurepel's
widow Mahaut dated November 1242 in which she calls her daughter Jeanne
and son-in-law Gaucher de Châtillon her heirs.

It gets even sillier. The purported evidence that Alberic decamped to
England is a charter also printed by Dreux du Radier in which "Symon, by
the grace of God king of England" (presumably based on Simon de
Montfort, earl of Leicester, killed at Evesham in 1265) confirms the
grant of lands to Alberic that his father, another king of the same
name, had given to the Alberic's brother "Edward of Dammartin", since
his own eldest son, titled "duke", had married Alberic's daughter. The
witnesses include William Mauduit, "chamberlain of King Simon".

No trace of such an Alberic exists in any contemporary source, of
course, and there is no warrant to include him anyway while excluding
his equally nonsensical brother Edward. It is plain from the genuine
record that Philippe Hurepel and Mahaut had only one child who lived to
adulthood, their daughter and heiress Jeanne. In at least two charters
Mahaut remembered without names her "other children", who were
presumably stillborn or had died in infancy."3

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Capet 5 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/capet/capet5.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Philippe de France: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00161626&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2394] Peter Stewart, "Stewart email 2 Nov 2011: "A fictitious Capetian, alleged son of Philippe Hurepel"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 2 Nov 2011. Hereinafter cited as "Stewart email 2 Nov 2011."

William "al Gernons" de Percy1

M, #15628, b. circa 1030, d. circa 1096
ReferenceGAV26 EDV26
Last Edited3 Oct 2002
     William "al Gernons" de Percy married Emma de Port, daughter of Hugh de Port feudal lord of Semer, near Scarborough.1 William "al Gernons" de Percy was born circa 1030.2
William "al Gernons" de Percy died circa 1096 at Montjoie (Mountjoy), near Jerusalem, Palestine; Boyer (2001, p. 193, de PERCY 1): "died and was buried at Mount Joy, near Jerusalem, in the Holy Land, having joined the First Crusade in 1096."1,2
     ; Earldom and Dukedom of Northumberland: The pre-Norman Conquest Earls of Northumberland had to begin with ruled their territory as kings. But by the last few generations before 1066 they had come to acknowledge the Saxon kings of England as overlords. Earls of Northumbria, as also rather later of Northumberland, were something like appointed high officials, for example governors, though the office was often held by successive members of the same family, at any rate for a few generations.

Those who held the office wielded enormous devolved power. Because of Northumberland's remoteness its Earls remained something like semi-hereditary governors for a good while after the Conquest. WILLIAM I (THE CONQUEROR) even kept the Saxon Earl, Morcar, on in the post initially, though he was later imprisoned after attempting to rebel.

A subsequent Earl of Northumberland was Gospatric, son and heir of Maldred, who in turn was son of Crinan, Lay Abbot of Dunkeld in what is now Perthshire. Gospatric held the Earldom from c Feb 1068/9 to 1072 (see ABERGAVENNY, M; also the section Washington in AMERICAN PRESIDENTIAL FAMILIES, 1994, Morris Genalogical Books SA). Gospatric had a hereditary claim to the office of Earl of Northumberland, as did several of his successors. Disloyalty or incompetence in governing could lead to an earl's being deprived of his position, however, and when Gospatric rebelled he was ejected. In 1095, after several such unsatisfactory candidates had ruled as earls, WILLIAM II (RUFUS) took the Earldom into the hands of the crown. There it remained until conferred by DAVID I of Scotland on his only son and heir Henry in 1139. This followed a treaty between DAVID and KING STEPHEN of England whereby the latter made over Northumberland to Scotland as a result of the savage Scottish invasion of the northeast of England, an invasion which was only temporarily halted by the English victory at the Battle of the Standard in 1138 (see below).

In 1157 MALCOLM IV of Scotland handed the Earldom back to HENRY II of England, and in 1189 RICHARD I sold it to the Bishop of Durham for 2,000 marks (over £32,000,000 in late-1990s terms) to finance his crusade. What was being sold was not just, indeed hardly at all, a title of honour, but a vast swathe of real estate over which the purchaser would have quasi-sovereign power.

Although the Percys did not become Earls of Northumberland for another two centuries, and then as holders of a peerage creation rather than the quasi-heritable high office it had been earlier, they had been involved with some of the first post-Conquest holders of that Earldom (see below).

Even after the Percys became identified with the Earldom of Northumberland it was occasionally bestowed on members of other families, for instance if the Percy of the day was in disgrace. Thus from 1464 to 1470 John Nevill(e) (see ABERGAVENNY, M), who was from a rival dynasty in the North of England, held the title of Earl of Northumberland. In 1551 John Dudley, Earl of Warwick, used his ascendancy over the boy King EDWARD VI's council to get himself made Duke of Northumberland. He even tried to instal his daughter-in-law LADY JANE GREY as Queen following EDWARD's death in 1553, but was executed by MARY.

An illegitimate line of Dudleys styled themselves Dukes of Northumberland from 1620, when one of them procured a document from the Holy Roman Emperor FERDINAND II purporting to recognise him as such, till 1728. CHARLES II created one of his bastard sons by Barbara Villiers, Duchess of Cleveland, first Earl of Northumberland then nearly ten years later Duke of Northumberland too. This Duke of Northumberland, who seems from a number of contemporary accounts, including the diarist John Evelyn's, to have been easily the most prepossessing of CHARLES II's bastards though he is surely the least remembered (at any rate of the ennobled ones), died without legitimate issue in 1716.

Lastly The Old Pretender (known to Jacobites as James III) while in exile in Avignon created the then Marquess of Wharton (see WHARTON, B) titular Duke of Northumberland in 1716. In the autumn of 1726 this Jacobite Duke of Northumberland was in Rome at the same time as the last of the soi-disant Dudley Dukes of Northumberland was living there as a Canon of the Vatican.2



; Lineage: The family name of Percy allegedly derives from Perci or Percy, in Normandy. Unfortunately several places with that name exist there and it has proved impossible to identify the right one. A descent for the Percys was at one time claimed which went back to Mainfred, a Danish chief who had gone to Normandy before even Rollo the Dane (c 846-c 932) settled there, Rollo being founder of the line of the Dukes of Normandy who later conquered England and the great-great-great-grandfather of WILLIAM I THE CONQUEROR. But among sources for this claim were the partisan chroniclers of Whitby Abbey in Yorkshire, of which the first Percy known indubitably to have existed was a benefactor, and in later centuries some of the heralds, who were not above concocting fabulous lineages. Twentieth-century research has placed the origin of the Percys no further back than the immediate aftermath of the Norman Conquest, a period in which the Percys first made their mark as successful adventurers, presumably of Norman descent.

This of course is a perfectly respectable date for a family's origins, and compares favourably with those of most other peerage or baronetage families. In any case, the original Percys died out in the male line after only three generations. The grandchildren of the last of the original Percys by his younger daughter then assumed the surname, but their main branch too died out in the male line in 1670. Over the preceding three hundred years or so several acts of attainder had the effect of narrowing down the numbers of branches of the Percy family tree which could inherit the titles. A son-in-law of the 5th and last Earl of Northumberland of the 1557 creation - the most recent in a series of creations that had to be made afresh each time because of acts of attainder - assumed the name Percy but failed to produce an heir. His widow remarried twice and produced a son by her third husband who was erroneously summoned to Parliament as Lord Percy. This gentleman also failed to produce a male heir. His son-in-law then took the surname Percy, the fourth time a connection by marriage or female descent had assumed the full plumage of this historic family. The present Duke descends from the last of these attempts at perpetuating the Percy name.2


; WILLIAM de PERCY; b c 1030; allegedly travelled with Hugh d'Avranches, later Earl of Chester, from Normandy to England, though not necessarily as early as 1066. He seems to have been granted a Barony (at this time a territorial possession rather than peerage) of 30 knight's fees following the Conquest, though 20 years later the Domesday Survey mentions him as holding much more: 80 lordships in Yorkshire and 32 in Lincolnshire, together with other land in Essex, Notts and Hambledon, Hants (the last acquired through his marriage). He helped reconstruct York Castle 1070 after it was destroyed by the Danes and accompanied WILLIAM I THE CONQUEROR on his invasion of Scotland 1072. He was a tenant-in-chief of WILLIAM at the time of Domesday and under-tenant of Hugh, Earl of Chester. It was Hugh, Earl of Chester, who had been granted the lion's share of Gospatric, Earl of Northumberland's lands following the latter's rebellion against WILLIAM in 1069. WILLIAM de PERCY helped Gospatric win forgiveness from WILLIAM THE CONQUEROR, however, and was granted some of the forfeited lands as a sub-tenant by Hugh. WILLIAM de PERCY was known by contemporaries under the sobriquet als gernons ('William with the Whiskers'), whence the frequency of the forename Algernon in the family ever since. He refounded the Abbey of St Hilda, Yorkshire, of which his brother Serlo de Percy became first Prior; m Emma, sometimes called dau and heiress, but certainly a close relative, of Hugh de Port, feudal lord of Semer, near Scarborough, and a Saxon, and accompanied Duke Robert of Normandy on the First Crusade, during which he d 1096 at Montjoie or Mountjoy, nr Jerusalem, a peak so called because it was where Christians on pilgrimage to the Holy City first got a view of their destination.2 GAV-26 EDV-26 GKJ-26.

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 193, de PERCY 1. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  2. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Northumberland Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  3. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, p. 193, de PERCY 1:ii.
  4. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, p. 193, de PERCY 1:iii.
  5. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, p. 193, de PERCY 1:iv.
  6. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, p. 193, de PERCY 1:v.
  7. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, p. 193, de PERCY 1:vi.

Emma de Port1

F, #15629
FatherHugh de Port feudal lord of Semer, near Scarborough2
ReferenceGAV26 EDV26
Last Edited3 Oct 2002
     Emma de Port married William "al Gernons" de Percy.1
     GAV-26 EDV-26 GKJ-26.

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 193, de PERCY 1. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
  2. [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Northumberland Family Page: "...sometimes called dau and heiress, but certainly a close relative, of Hugh de Port".. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
  3. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, p. 193, de PERCY 1:ii.
  4. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, p. 193, de PERCY 1:iii.
  5. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, p. 193, de PERCY 1:iv.
  6. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, p. 193, de PERCY 1:v.
  7. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, p. 193, de PERCY 1:vi.

Walter de Percy1

M, #15630
FatherWilliam "al Gernons" de Percy1 b. c 1030, d. c 1096
MotherEmma de Port1
Last Edited3 Oct 2002
     ; Walter; witnessed with his bro William their f s charter to Whitby Abbey.

Citations

  1. [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 193, de PERCY 1:ii. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.