Margarete (?) of Saxony1,2

F, #57271, d. 2 June 1418
FatherWenzel (?) Elector of Saxony1,3,2 d. 15 May 1388
MotherGilliola da Carrara4,2 d. bt 1430 - 1434
Last Edited7 Dec 2004
     Margarete (?) of Saxony married Bernhard I (?) Duke of Braunschweig-Lüneburg, son of Magnus II Torquatus (?) Duke of Braunschweig-Lüneburg and Katharina (?) Princess von Anhalt-Bernburg, in 1386.1,5,2
Margarete (?) of Saxony died on 2 June 1418.1,5,2
     ; Margarete, +2.6.1418; m.1386 Duke Bernhard von Braunschweig-Lüneburg (+1434.)2

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Welf 3 page (The House of Welfin): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/welf/welf3.html
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Ascan 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/ascania/ascan2.html
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Wenzel: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00036948&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gilliola da Carrara: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00036947&tree=LEO
  5. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Welf 5 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/welf/welf5.html
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Friedrich 'the Pious': http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00015333&tree=LEO

Gerhard VI (?) Graf von Holstein, Duke von Schleswig1,2,3,4

M, #57272, b. circa 1367, d. 5 August 1404
FatherHeinrich II "der Eiserne" (?) Graf von Holstein-Rendsburg6,3 b. c 1317, d. a 16 Nov 1384
MotherIngeborg Albrechtsdatter (?) Herzogin zu Mecklenburg-Schwerin5,4,3 b. c 1340, d. bt 25 Jul 1395 - 23 Aug 1400
Last Edited14 Apr 2004
     Gerhard VI (?) Graf von Holstein, Duke von Schleswig was born circa 1367.2 He married Elizabeth/Katharina (?) Duchess of Brunswick-Luneburg, daughter of Magnus II Torquatus (?) Duke of Braunschweig-Lüneburg and Katharina (?) Princess von Anhalt-Bernburg, in 1391.1,4,3
Gerhard VI (?) Graf von Holstein, Duke von Schleswig died on 5 August 1404 at Suderhamme, Ditmarschen; killed in battle.1,4,3
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: 1. The Royal House of Stuart London, 1969,1971,1976. , A. C. Addington, Reference: III 108
2. Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: I 87
3. Nachkommen Gorms des Alten 1978. , S. Otto Brenner, Reference: 1937.4

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Welf 3 page (The House of Welfin): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/welf/welf3.html
  2. [S1451] Graphical Index to the Ancestry of Charles II: Table I - Ancestors of Charles II, King of Great Britain (1630-1685), online http://fmg.ac/Projects/CharlesII/Gen1-6.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/CharlesII/5-10/20.htm. Hereinafter cited as Ancestors of Charles II.
  3. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Holstein 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/holstein/holstein1.html
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gerhard VI: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00023771&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Duchess Ingeburg zu Mecklenburg-Schwerin: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00023774&tree=LEO
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Heinrich II 'der Eiserne': http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00023773&tree=LEO
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gräfin Heilwig von Holstein: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00023766&tree=LEO

Agnes (?) Grafen von Barby1

F, #57273, b. 23 June 1540, d. 27 November 1569
Last Edited7 Dec 2004
     Agnes (?) Grafen von Barby was born on 23 June 1540 at Barby.1 She married Joachim Ernst (?) Furst von Anhalt, son of Johann II (?) Fürst von Anhalt-Zerbst and Margarethe (?) Markgräfin von Brandenburg, on 3 March 1560 at Barby; his 1st wife.1
Agnes (?) Grafen von Barby died on 27 November 1569 at Bernburg at age 29.1

Family

Joachim Ernst (?) Furst von Anhalt b. 21 Oct 1536, d. c 16 Dec 1586
Children

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Ascan 5 page (House of Ascania): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/ascania/ascan5.html
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Ascan 5 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/ascania/ascan5.html

Eleonore (?) Duchess of Wurttenberg1

F, #57274, b. 21 March 1552, d. 12 January 1618
Last Edited7 Dec 2004
     Eleonore (?) Duchess of Wurttenberg was born on 21 March 1552 at Tubingen.1 She married Joachim Ernst (?) Furst von Anhalt, son of Johann II (?) Fürst von Anhalt-Zerbst and Margarethe (?) Markgräfin von Brandenburg, on 9 January 1571 at Stuttgart, Württemberg, Germany (now); his 2nd wife.1
Eleonore (?) Duchess of Wurttenberg died on 12 January 1618 at Schloß Lichtenberg at age 65.1

Family

Joachim Ernst (?) Furst von Anhalt b. 21 Oct 1536, d. c 16 Dec 1586
Child

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Ascan 5 page (House of Ascania): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/ascania/ascan5.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Princess Agnes Hedwig von Anhalt-Zerbst: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00008864&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.

Sabine (?) Markgräfin von Brandenburg-Ansbach1,2

F, #57275, b. 12 May 1529, d. 2 November 1575
FatherGeorg (?) Markgraf von Brandenburg-Ansbach, Duke of Jagerndorf3,2 b. 4 Mar 1484, d. 27 Dec 1543
MotherHedwig (?) Duchess von Münsterberg4,2 b. 10 Jun 1508, d. 28 Nov 1531
Last Edited15 Aug 2020
     Sabine (?) Markgräfin von Brandenburg-Ansbach was born on 12 May 1529 at Ansbach, Brandenburg, Germany (now).1,2 She married Johann Georg "Oeconomus" (?) Elector of Brandenburg, son of Joachim II Hector (?) Kurfürst von Brandenburg and Magdalene (?) of Saxony, on 12 February 1548 at Ansbach, Brandenburg, Germany (now); his 2nd wife.1,5,2
Sabine (?) Markgräfin von Brandenburg-Ansbach died on 2 November 1575 at Berlin, Germany (now), at age 46.1,2
     ; NB: There is no clear agreement between my main "tertiary" sources of information regarding the descent of Gebhard I. However, the four following sources provide various pieces of a descent:


I. Genealogy.EU (Babenberg) - This descent is clear, but is not supported by any sources:
1. Duke Hermann IV of Swabia (1030-38), *1015, +Trento 28.7.1038; m.Adelheid of Susa (*1015 +19.12.1091) dau.of Mgve Odelrico Menfredo II of Susa, Mkgf of Turin by Berthe von Este
2. Gf Gebhard I von Sulzbach, +ca 1080; m.NN, dau.of Gf Berengar
3. Gf Gebhard II von Sulzbach, *ca 1053, +1085; m.1079 Irmingard vom Rott und Vohburg (+14.7.1101)
4. Gf Berengar II von Sulzbach, Vogt von Bamberg, *ca 1080, +3.12.1125, bur Kastl; 1m: Adelheid von Lechsgemünd (+24.2.1112); 2m: 1113 Adelheid von Wolfratshausen (+11.1.1126); all children by 2m.
5. Gf Gebhard III von Sulzbach, *1114, +28.10.1188, bur Kastl; m.Mathilde Welf (+16.3.1183)

     Genealogics - No father is shown for Gebhard I and the descent from him is shown as follows:
1. Gebhard I, Graf von Sulzbach [1] b. Est 1040 m. NN
2. Adelheid von Sulzbach [1.1] d. 1090 m. Heinrich II, Graf von Formbach
2. Gebhard II, Graf von Sulzbach [1.2] d. Abt 1085 m. Irmingard von Rott b. Est 1055 d. 14 Jun 1101
3. Berengar I, Graf von Sulzbach [1.2.1] b. Abt 1080 d. 3 Dec 1125 m1. Adelheid von Lechsgemünd d. 24 Feb 1105 m2. Adelheid von Diessen d. 11 Jan 1126
4. 2nd m Gebhard III, Graf von Sulzbach [1.2.1.1] b. Abt 1114 d. 28 Oct 1188 m. Mathilde von Bayern d. 16 Feb 1183



II. Genealogics cites:
1. Europäische Stammtafeln, Band I, Frank Baron Freytag von Loringhoven, 1975, Isenburg, W. K. Prinz von. 9.
2. Herren von Perg und Machland Wikipedia (DE).
3. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 16:93A.



III. Med Lands - This is a more fragmented descent in that, while the individuals are listed, their parent/child connections are not shown or are shown as uncertain. The following generations are shown , with ">>>" indicating no connection shown, though the individuals are listed:
1. NN m. Adelheid LNU 9d aft 28 Nov 1043)
2. Gebhard I (d aft 1085) m. ?
>>>>>>
3. Gebhard II (d. 1085) m. Irmgard von Rott
4. Berengar III (1080-3 Dec 1125) m1. Adelheid von Lechsgemünd m2. Adelheid von von Wolfratshausen
5. Gebhard III (d. 28 Oct 1188) m. Mathilde of Bavaria

Med Lands offers a few comments on the uncertainties:
     1. Re father of Gebhard I: "Wegener assumes that Adelheid was the widow of Hermann IV Duke of Swabia[1817]. He presumably bases this assumption on a creative interpretation of the 14th century Deutsche Reimchronik of Kloster Kastel which records that Ernst Duke of Swabia (presumably indicating Duke Ernst I, father of Duke Hermann IV) had “ain Suen...Gebhardus...Sultzpach”[1818]. No other primary source has been found which indicates any family relationship between the Babenberger dukes of Swabia and the Grafen von Sulzbach. It is suggested that the Deutsche Reimchronik represents a fantasised version of the connection. In any case, Adelaida di Susa, widow of Duke Hermann IV, was married to Enrico di Monferrato in [early 1042] and in two charters dated the following year is recorded in northern Italy (see the document SWABIA DUKES). It is unlikely therefore that she would have been recorded as holding property in the Bavarian Nordgau around the same time. In addition, if Gebhard had been her son it is likely that he would have claimed the duchy of Swabia at some point."
Here, Med Lands cites:
[1817] Wegener, W. (1965/67) Genealogischen Tafeln zur mitteleuropäischen Geschichte (Verlag Degener), p. 196.
[1818] Moritz (1833), Vol. II, Zweite Beilage, Deutsche Reimchronik des Klosters Kastel, p. 128, lines 147-54.

     2. Re relationship between Gebhard I and Gebhard 2: "Wegener identifies Gebhard [I] with Gebhard who is named as Graf von Sulzbach in 1071, who is shown below as Gebhard [II][1820]. If that is correct, Gebhard [II]’s marriage to Irmgard von Rott must have been his second marriage."
Here, Med Lands cites: [1820] Wegener, W. (1965/67) Genealogischen Tafeln zur mitteleuropäischen Geschichte (Verlag Degener), p. 196


IV. Wikipedia (DE) - Wikipedia (DE) does not show Gebhard I or his father, and has the following comment: "Stammbaum und seine Zuordnungen in der Hauptsache nach Jürgen Dendorfer, [9] ergänzt um Angaben nach Heinz Dopsch – in Klammern und kursiv gesetzt ggf. alte Zählweise und Datumshinweise nach Heinz Dopsch.[10] [10]" [Translation by GA Vaut: "The Family tree and its assignments mainly based on Jürgen Dendorfer, [9] supplemented with information based on Heinz Dopsch - in brackets and italics, if applicable, old counting methods and date references based on Heinz Dopsch. [10]"]. Wikipedia (DE) shows the following descent:
1. Gebhard I. (II.) (1043/1071; † 1085), Graf von Sulzbach ? Irmgard von Rott († 14. Juni 1101)
2. Adelheid († vor 1133) ? Graf Sigiboto II. von Weyarn
2. Berengar I. (* vor 1080; † 3. Dezember 1125), Graf von Sulzbach, Stifter des Jahrhunderte später zur Fürstpropstei erhobenen Klosterstifts Berchtesgaden und von Baumburg, Mitstifter des Klosters Kastl ? nach Februar 1099 Adelheid von Frontenhausen († 1105), Witwe des Ulrich von Passau (1), ? Adelheid von Wolfratshausen († 1126) (2) [11]
3. Gebhard II. (III.) (* um 1114 † 28. Oktober 1188), Graf von Sulzbach; im staufischen Dienst, Rivale der Diepoldinger-Rapotonen auf dem Nordgau; Regensburger Domvogt, Vogt von Niedermünster sowie von Passau-Niedernburg, Erbe der Burg Warberg ? 1129 Mathilde († 16. März 1183), Tochter von Heinrich IX. (auch: Heinrich der Schwarze) Herzog von Bayern

Here, Wikipedia (DE):
[9] Jürgen Dendorfer: Die Grafen von Sulzbach; PDF-Datei S. 11 von 35
[10] Zur Anzahl und Namen ihrer gemeinsamen Kinder Heinz Dopsch: Siedlung und Recht. Zur Vorgeschichte der Berchtesgadener Stiftsgründer. In: Walter Brugger, Heinz Dopsch, Peter F. Kramml (Hrsg.): Geschichte von Berchtesgaden. Bd. 1: Zwischen Salzburg und Bayern (bis 1594). Berchtesgaden 1991, S. 175–228, hier: S. 214 und 221.
[11] Zur Anzahl und Namen ihrer gemeinsamen Kinder siehe Heinz Dopsch: Siedlung und Recht. Zur Vorgeschichte der Berchtesgadener Stiftsgründer, in: Walter Brugger [Hrsg.]: Geschichte von Berchtesgaden. Stift - Markt - Land, Bd. 1, S. 214 und 221


Conclusion: I have chosen to follow the basic lineage shown by Genealogy.EU, building in the information and warnings from the other three sources. GA Vaut.6,7,8,9,10

; Leo van de Pas cites: 1. Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: vol I page 61.
2. The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales Edinburgh, 1977., Gerald Paget, Reference: ancestor M 292.
3. Ancestors Juliana, Q. of The Netherlands Jaarboek Centraal Bureau Genealogie Den Haag, Reference: ancestor 4243.2

Family

Johann Georg "Oeconomus" (?) Elector of Brandenburg b. 11 Sep 1525, d. 18 Jan 1598
Child

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Hohenz 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/hohz/hohenz2.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Markgräfin Sabine von Brandenburg-Ansbach: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00004539&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Georg: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00023693&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Duchess Hedwig von Münsterberg: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00023694&tree=LEO
  5. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Hohenzollern 3 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/hohz/hohenz3.html
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gebhard I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106617&tree=LEO
  7. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BAVARIAN%20NOBILITY.htm#_Toc524803075. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  8. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Babenberg page (The Babenbergs): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/babenberg/babenberg.html
  9. [S4759] Wikipedia - Die freie Enzyklopädie, online https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Hauptseite, Irmgard von Rott: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irmgard_von_Rott. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (DE).
  10. [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 15 Aug 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Markgräfin Sofie von Brandenburg: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00004441&tree=LEO

Sophie (?) of Denmark1

F, #57276, b. 1159, d. 1208
FatherValdemar I Knudsen 'den store' "the Great" (?) uke of Slesvig, King of Denmark1 b. 14 Jan 1131, d. 12 May 1182
MotherSophia (?) of Polock1 b. c 1141, d. 5 Nov 1198
Last Edited21 Dec 2019
     Sophie (?) of Denmark was born in 1159.1,2 She married Siegfried III (?) Graf von Orlamünde, son of Hermann I (?) Graf von Orlamünde and Irmgard (?), in 1181 at Lubeck.3,1,4
Sophie (?) of Denmark died in 1208.1,2

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Denmark 3 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/denmark/denmark3.html
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Ascan 12 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/ascania/ascan12.html
  3. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Ascan 12 page (House of Ascania): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/ascania/ascan12.html
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Siegfried III: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00030493&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hermann II: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00030496&tree=LEO
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Albrecht: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00030495&tree=LEO
  7. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/THURINGIAN%20NOBILITY.htm#AlbrechtOrlamundedied1244. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Siegfried III (?) Graf von Orlamünde1,2

M, #57277, d. 1206
FatherHermann I (?) Graf von Orlamünde1,3,2 d. 19 Oct 1176
MotherIrmgard (?)4,2
Last Edited21 Dec 2019
     Siegfried III (?) Graf von Orlamünde married Sophie (?) of Denmark, daughter of Valdemar I Knudsen 'den store' "the Great" (?) uke of Slesvig, King of Denmark and Sophia (?) of Polock, in 1181 at Lubeck.1,5,2
Siegfried III (?) Graf von Orlamünde died in 1206.1,2
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: 1. Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: III 74
2. Nachkommen Gorms des Alten 1978. , S. Otto Brenner, Reference: 146.2

; Gf Siegfried III von Orlamünde (1176-1206), +1206; m.Lübeck 1181 [57276] Sophie of Denmark (*1159 +1208.)6

; Graf von Orlamunde.1

Family

Sophie (?) of Denmark b. 1159, d. 1208
Children

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Ascan 12 page (House of Ascania): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/ascania/ascan12.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Siegfried III: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00030493&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hermann I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00030491&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Irmgard: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00030492&tree=LEO
  5. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Denmark 3 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/denmark/denmark3.html
  6. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Ascan 12 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/ascania/ascan12.html
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hermann II: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00030496&tree=LEO
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Albrecht: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00030495&tree=LEO
  9. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/THURINGIAN%20NOBILITY.htm#AlbrechtOrlamundedied1244. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Gebhard I von Sulzbach Graf von Sulzbach1,2

M, #57278, d. 1080
FatherHermann IV (?) Herzog von Schwaben5 b. c 1015, d. 28 Jul 1038
MotherAdelaide de Susa Markgrafin of Susa, Herrin of Torino3,4,2 b. c 1015, d. 19 Dec 1091
ReferenceGAV27
Last Edited15 Aug 2020
     Gebhard I von Sulzbach Graf von Sulzbach died in 1080.6
     ; Per Genealogy.EU (Babenbergs): “C1. Gf Gebhard I von Sulzbach, +ca 1080; m.NN, dau.of Gf Berengar”.3

; Per Genealogics:
     “Gebhard I was born early in the 11th century, the son of Hermann, Herzog von Schwaben, and Adelaide de Susa, Markgräfin von Susa, Herrin von Torino. Mentioned in 1043, he was the founder of the powerful house of the counts of Sulzbach, which had its seat at the castle of Sulzbach in Bavaria. The castle dates from the early 8th century, and was probably founded by the late-Merovingian/early-Carolingian kings.
     “According to legend today's city of Sulzbach-Rosenberg was founded when Gebhard, after a hunting accident, was able to quench his thirst at one of the springs at the foot of the castle rock. More plausibly, he was probably enfeoffed by Emperor Heinrich II with the castle and surrounding lands.
     “With an unnamed wife, Gebhard had several children of whom a son Gebhard II and daughter Adelheid would have progeny.”.5

; Per Med Lands:
     "GEBHARD [I] ([after 1025]-after 28 Nov 1043). Heinrich III King of Germany granted property "quale domna Adalheit eiusque filius Gebehardus comes…in villis Wormerischa, Hegina, Fvrhenriet…in pago Nortgove et in comitatu Heinrici comitis" to "ministro nostro Pardoni" by charter dated 28 Nov 1043[1819]. The presence of Gebhard’s mother in the document indicates that Gebhard was a minor at the time. Wegener identifies Gebhard [I] with Gebhard who is named as Graf von Sulzbach in 1071, who is shown below as Gebhard [II][1820]. If that is correct, Gebhard [II]’s marriage to Irmgard von Rott must have been his second marriage."
Med Lands cites:
[1819] D H III 113, p. 142.
[1820] Wegener, W. (1965/67) Genealogischen Tafeln zur mitteleuropäischen Geschichte (Verlag Degener), p. 196.7


Reference: Genealogics Pas cites: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: I 9.5 GAV-27. He was living in 1043.5

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Babenberg page (The Babenbergs): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/babenberg/babenberg.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gebhard I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106617&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Babenberg page (The Babenbergs): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/babenberg/babenberg.html
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adelaide de Susa: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027352&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gebhard I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106617&tree=LEO
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hermann IV: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106624&tree=LEO
  7. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BAVARIAN%20NOBILITY.htm#_Toc524803075. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adelheid von Sulzbach: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00571901&tree=LEO
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gebhard II: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106619&tree=LEO

Heinrich (?) Markgraf der Ostmark, Margrave of Austria1

M, #57279, d. 23 June 1018
FatherLuitpold I (?) Mkgf der Bayrischen Ostmark1,2 b. bt 950 - 955, d. 10 Jul 994
MotherRichenza (?) of Saalfeld1 b. bt 945 - 950, d. c 994
Last Edited8 Apr 2020
     Heinrich (?) Markgraf der Ostmark, Margrave of Austria died on 23 June 1018.1
     He was Markgraf der Ostmark between 994 and 1018.1 He was Margrave of Austria between 996 and 1018.1

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Babenberg page (The Babenbergs): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/babenberg/babenberg.html
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/AUSTRIA.htm#_Toc482093769. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.

Kuno I von Rott Pfalzgraf in Bayern1

M, #57280
ReferenceGAV27
Last Edited16 Aug 2020
     Kuno I von Rott Pfalzgraf in Bayern married Uta von Diessen-Andechs, daughter of Frederich III von Diessen Graf von Diessen and Irmingard von Gilching.2,3
     GAV-27.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: I 9.4

Reference: Per Genealogics: "Kuno I von Rott, from the Pilgrims family based around Freising in Bavaria, was born about 1015. He was Count Palatine of Bavaria from 1055 to his death. With his wife Uta von Diessen-Andechs, daughter of Friedrich II, Graf von Diessen, he had a daughter Irmingard who would have progeny, and a son Kuno II who died in battle in 1081 leaving no progeny. In 1080 Kuno and his son were founders of the abbey of Rott. With his brother Pilgrim he had founded the abbey of Sonnenburg in the Pustertal between 1030 and 1039. In 1055, when the Count Palatine Aribo II was outlawed and lost numerous estates, Kuno, who shared a grandmother Wichburg von Bayern with Aribo, was entrusted with the position of Count Palatine by Emperor Heinrich III. Kuno died on 27 March 1086."1 Kuno I von Rott Pfalzgraf in Bayern was also known as Kuno von Rott und Vohburg.2 Kuno I von Rott Pfalzgraf in Bayern was also known as Kuno Pfalzgraf von Rott.4

Family

Uta von Diessen-Andechs
Child

Citations

  1. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Kuno I von Rott: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106621&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Babenberg page (The Babenbergs): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/babenberg/babenberg.html
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Uta von Diessen-Andechs: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00619346&tree=LEO
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Pfalzgraf Kuno von Rott: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106621&tree=LEO
  5. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BAVARIA.htm#IrmgardRottdied1101. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Irmingard von Rott: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106620&tree=LEO

Uta von Diessen-Andechs1,2

F, #57281
FatherFrederich III von Diessen Graf von Diessen2,3 d. 23 Jan 1075
MotherIrmingard von Gilching2 b. c 998
ReferenceGAV27
Last Edited16 Aug 2020
     Uta von Diessen-Andechs married Kuno I von Rott Pfalzgraf in Bayern.1,2
     GAV-27.

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Babenberg page (The Babenbergs): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/babenberg/babenberg.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Uta von Diessen-Andechs: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00619346&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Friedrich II: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00080015&tree=LEO
  4. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BAVARIA.htm#IrmgardRottdied1101. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Irmingard von Rott: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106620&tree=LEO

Alice Corbet1

F, #57282
Last Edited13 Aug 2020
     Alice Corbet married Duncan mac Duff, son of Duncan II Macduff Earl of Fife and Ada/Ela (?).1

Family

Duncan mac Duff d. b 1228
Child

Citations

  1. [S2083] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 21 June 2006: "SP Correction: Alan, earl of Menteith (d.ca. 1308) and the Earls of Fife"," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 21 June 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 21 June 2006."

Otto II von Diessen Graf von Diessen, von Thanning, von Ambras, von Wolfratshausen1

M, #57283, d. circa 1122
FatherBertold I von Diessen Graf von Diessen2 d. a 16 May 1060
ReferenceGAV26
Last Edited4 Jun 2020
     Otto II von Diessen Graf von Diessen, von Thanning, von Ambras, von Wolfratshausen married Justizia (?) von Babenberg, daughter of Leopold (?) Markgraf der Ungarnmark and Ida von Elstorf.1,3
Otto II von Diessen Graf von Diessen, von Thanning, von Ambras, von Wolfratshausen died circa 1122.1
     ; Otto II, Gf von Diessen (1100-07), Gf von Thanning 1073, Gf von Ambras (1078-93), Gf von Wolfratshausen (1098-1116), +ca 1122; m.Justizia von Babenberg (+1120/22.)1 GAV-26.
; NB: There is disagreement concerning the von Diessen family. This includes the parents of Berthold II. Genealogics and Genealogy.EU show one lineage. Med Lands shows a different descent, with material differences.
     A good description of the likely source of the confusion is found on Med Lands:
     "The following Graf Friedrich [II] is recorded in 1025 (as the father of Berthold [I]), in 1027 (twice, once as father of Otto [I]), and in 1030. He was therefore presumably a different person from Graf Friedrich [I], who is recorded as having died in Jerusalem before 1020. It is not known how the two Grafen Friedrich may have been related, if at all. However, the continuity of references to Diessen suggests a close connection, maybe father and son. Wegener conflates Graf Friedrich [I] and Graf Friedrich [II] as he appears to ignore the reference to the death of the former before 1020[609]. The De Fundatoribus Monasterii Diessenses does not name a second Graf Friedrich, although this is not surprising considering that it appears to ignore the generations between Graf Friedrich [I] and Otto Graf von Wolfratshausen[610]. Generally, the reconstruction of the family of the Grafen von Diessen is hindered rather than helped by the speculative connections suggested by Wegener. An attempt has been made in the following passages to explain these speculations and highlight any contradictions with primary sources which he does not cite. Unfortunately, it appears that many of these misleading speculations have found their way into the tables in Europäische Stammtafeln in which they appear as definite. In the case of this family, therefore, it is more important than ever to use the "back to basics" approach and start again from scratch in compiling information from primary sources. Hopefully, the results are relatively accurate but it is admitted that it is particularly challenging to achieve a definitive reconstruction of this family and no doubt further improvements are possible."
     A. Genealogics relies on Europäische Stammtafeln and shows:
|-->A.1 Berthold I Graf an der Oberen Isar d/ ca 26 Aug 990
|------>A.1.1 Dietrich I, Graf im Wasserburg living 1003
|---------->A.1.1.1 Friedrich I, Graf von Diessen m. Kunizza von Oenningen d. 1020
|-------------->A.1.1.1.1 Berthold II, Graf von Diessen living 1025 m. NN
|------------------>A.1.1.1.1.1 Berthold III, Graf von Andechs living 1095 m. Gisela von Schwaben
|---------->A.1.1.1.2 Otto II, Graf von Diessen d. ca 24 Apr 1120 m. Justizia of Austria
|------>A.1.1.2 Friedrich II, Graf von Diessen d. 23 Jan 1075 m1 Hadamut von Eppenstein m2 Irmingard von Gilching m3 Tuta von Regensburg
     B. Genealogy.EU (Diessen I) cites now sources and shows.
B.1 Berthold I, Pfalzgraf von Bayern. 978/26.8.990; m. N of Upper-Lorraine
|-->B.1.1 Dietrich, d. 1020
|-->B.1.2 Friedrich I Diessen d. 1030
|------>B.1.2.1 Berthold II von Diessen d. 1060; m. NN von Hohenwart
|---------->B.1.2.1.1 Berthold III, Gf von Diessen d. 27.6.1151 m1 Sophie of Istria; m2 Kunigunde von Formbach-Pütten
|------>B.1.2.2 Friedrich II, Gf von Diessen. 1055 m1 Hadamut von Eppenstein m2 Irmengard von Gilching m3 NN von Regensburg
     C. Med Lands cites multiple sources and shows the following:
First of all, Med Lands says: "According to Wegener, Graf Friedrich [I] was the son of Berthold von Reisensburg, son of Arnulf Pfalzgraf in Bavaria [Luitpoldinger][596]. He bases this on a "Berthold" witnessing several exchanges of property in the oberen Isar dated [990/99], and equating him with Berthold von Reisensburg. Several points can be made about this theory. Firstly, it seems surprising that such an illustrious connection with the Luitpoldinger Dukes of Bavaria would not have been mentioned by the various contemporary sources which relate the early history of the Grafen von Diessen. Secondly, the estimated birth date of Berthold von Reisensburg is restricted to the limited period [929/31], bearing in mind the known dates of his own career and the likely birth date of his father. His last known mention is dated 976. Another burst of activity fourteen years after that date would be surprising when he would then have been in his sixties. Thirdly, judging from the 976 entry, Berthold von Reisensburg appears to have fallen into disgrace with Emperor Otto II. There is no record of his return to favour. It is likely therefore that he died soon after and that his descendants (if any) fell into obscurity. Fourthly, it is surprising that Berthold von Reisensburg would not have been described as comes even in entries relating to the period after his disgrace as he would presumably have continued to claim and use the title."

Med Lands thus severs the links between the A.1 and A.1.1 (Genealogics line above) and that between B.1 and both B.1.1 and B.1.2 (Genealogy.EU line above). Med Links shows no ancestors for either Friedrich I or Dietrich, but in fact hypothesizes that they might possibly have been brothers.
C.1. Friedrich [I] "Roch" ( d. Jerusalem before 1020) m. KUNIGUNDE [Kunizza],
C.2. Dietrich d. 1010/20 or after "Wegener refers to "Fridericus comes, Dietricus comes" witnessing a charter relating to land at Weiher, near Wasserburg, dated [1010/20], suggesting that the two may have been brothers[608]." (Citing [608] Quellen bayerischen Geschichte, Neue Folge, Band 8, p. 230 n 287, cited in Wegener (1965/67), p. 148.)
C.3 Friedrich [II] (-1030 or after).
|-->C.3.1 Berthold [I] (d after 16 May 1060).
|-->C.3.2 Friedrich [III] d 30 Jun 1075)
|------>C.3.2.1 Arnold von Diessen (d. aft 1091) m. NN von Schweinfurt (not Gisela)
|---------->C..2.1.1 Berthold [III] (-27 Jun 1151) m1. Sophie of Istria m2. Kunigunde von Formbach

Conclusion: I find Med Lands' presentation most convincing and have now changed my data to reflect this. GA Vaut.2,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 He was Graf von Thanning in 1073.1 He was Graf von Ambras between 1078 and 1093.1 He was Graf von Wolfratshausen between 1098 and 1116.1 He was Graf von Diessen between 1100 and 1107.1

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Diessen 1 page (Grafen von Diessen): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/diessen/diessen1.html
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BAVARIAN%20NOBILITY.htm#_Toc524803051. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  3. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Babenberg page (The Babenbergs): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/babenberg/babenberg.html
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Friedrich I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331097&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Berthold II: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00079991&tree=LEO
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Berthold III: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00033343&tree=LEO
  7. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, The Luitpoldings: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/german/luitpold1.html#F2D
  8. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Diessen 1: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/german/diessen1.html
  9. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Diessen 2: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/german/diessen2.html
  10. [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 4 June 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."
  11. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adelheid von Diessen: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106623&tree=LEO

Justizia (?) von Babenberg1,2

F, #57284, d. between 1120 and 1122
FatherLeopold (?) Markgraf der Ungarnmark2 d. 1043
MotherIda von Elstorf2 d. b 4 May 1082
ReferenceGAV26
Last Edited5 May 2020
     Justizia (?) von Babenberg married Otto II von Diessen Graf von Diessen, von Thanning, von Ambras, von Wolfratshausen, son of Bertold I von Diessen Graf von Diessen.1,2
Justizia (?) von Babenberg died between 1120 and 1122.1,2
     GAV-26.

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Diessen 1 page (Grafen von Diessen): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/diessen/diessen1.html
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Babenberg page (The Babenbergs): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/babenberg/babenberg.html
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adelheid von Diessen: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106623&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.

Bertold I von Diessen Graf von Diessen1,2

M, #57285, d. after 16 May 1060
FatherFrederich II von Diessen Graf von Diessen2 d. c 1030
ReferenceGAV27
Last Edited4 Jun 2020
     Bertold I von Diessen Graf von Diessen died after 16 May 1060.2
     ; NB: There is disagreement concerning the von Diessen family. This includes the parents of Berthold II. Genealogics and Genealogy.EU show one lineage. Med Lands shows a different descent, with material differences.
     A good description of the likely source of the confusion is found on Med Lands:
     "The following Graf Friedrich [II] is recorded in 1025 (as the father of Berthold [I]), in 1027 (twice, once as father of Otto [I]), and in 1030. He was therefore presumably a different person from Graf Friedrich [I], who is recorded as having died in Jerusalem before 1020. It is not known how the two Grafen Friedrich may have been related, if at all. However, the continuity of references to Diessen suggests a close connection, maybe father and son. Wegener conflates Graf Friedrich [I] and Graf Friedrich [II] as he appears to ignore the reference to the death of the former before 1020[609]. The De Fundatoribus Monasterii Diessenses does not name a second Graf Friedrich, although this is not surprising considering that it appears to ignore the generations between Graf Friedrich [I] and Otto Graf von Wolfratshausen[610]. Generally, the reconstruction of the family of the Grafen von Diessen is hindered rather than helped by the speculative connections suggested by Wegener. An attempt has been made in the following passages to explain these speculations and highlight any contradictions with primary sources which he does not cite. Unfortunately, it appears that many of these misleading speculations have found their way into the tables in Europäische Stammtafeln in which they appear as definite. In the case of this family, therefore, it is more important than ever to use the "back to basics" approach and start again from scratch in compiling information from primary sources. Hopefully, the results are relatively accurate but it is admitted that it is particularly challenging to achieve a definitive reconstruction of this family and no doubt further improvements are possible."
     A. Genealogics relies on Europäische Stammtafeln and shows:
|-->A.1 Berthold I Graf an der Oberen Isar d/ ca 26 Aug 990
|------>A.1.1 Dietrich I, Graf im Wasserburg living 1003
|---------->A.1.1.1 Friedrich I, Graf von Diessen m. Kunizza von Oenningen d. 1020
|-------------->A.1.1.1.1 Berthold II, Graf von Diessen living 1025 m. NN
|------------------>A.1.1.1.1.1 Berthold III, Graf von Andechs living 1095 m. Gisela von Schwaben
|---------->A.1.1.1.2 Otto II, Graf von Diessen d. ca 24 Apr 1120 m. Justizia of Austria
|------>A.1.1.2 Friedrich II, Graf von Diessen d. 23 Jan 1075 m1 Hadamut von Eppenstein m2 Irmingard von Gilching m3 Tuta von Regensburg
     B. Genealogy.EU (Diessen I) cites now sources and shows.
B.1 Berthold I, Pfalzgraf von Bayern. 978/26.8.990; m. N of Upper-Lorraine
|-->B.1.1 Dietrich, d. 1020
|-->B.1.2 Friedrich I Diessen d. 1030
|------>B.1.2.1 Berthold II von Diessen d. 1060; m. NN von Hohenwart
|---------->B.1.2.1.1 Berthold III, Gf von Diessen d. 27.6.1151 m1 Sophie of Istria; m2 Kunigunde von Formbach-Pütten
|------>B.1.2.2 Friedrich II, Gf von Diessen. 1055 m1 Hadamut von Eppenstein m2 Irmengard von Gilching m3 NN von Regensburg
     C. Med Lands cites multiple sources and shows the following:
First of all, Med Lands says: "According to Wegener, Graf Friedrich [I] was the son of Berthold von Reisensburg, son of Arnulf Pfalzgraf in Bavaria [Luitpoldinger][596]. He bases this on a "Berthold" witnessing several exchanges of property in the oberen Isar dated [990/99], and equating him with Berthold von Reisensburg. Several points can be made about this theory. Firstly, it seems surprising that such an illustrious connection with the Luitpoldinger Dukes of Bavaria would not have been mentioned by the various contemporary sources which relate the early history of the Grafen von Diessen. Secondly, the estimated birth date of Berthold von Reisensburg is restricted to the limited period [929/31], bearing in mind the known dates of his own career and the likely birth date of his father. His last known mention is dated 976. Another burst of activity fourteen years after that date would be surprising when he would then have been in his sixties. Thirdly, judging from the 976 entry, Berthold von Reisensburg appears to have fallen into disgrace with Emperor Otto II. There is no record of his return to favour. It is likely therefore that he died soon after and that his descendants (if any) fell into obscurity. Fourthly, it is surprising that Berthold von Reisensburg would not have been described as comes even in entries relating to the period after his disgrace as he would presumably have continued to claim and use the title."

Med Lands thus severs the links between the A.1 and A.1.1 (Genealogics line above) and that between B.1 and both B.1.1 and B.1.2 (Genealogy.EU line above). Med Links shows no ancestors for either Friedrich I or Dietrich, but in fact hypothesizes that they might possibly have been brothers.
C.1. Friedrich [I] "Roch" ( d. Jerusalem before 1020) m. KUNIGUNDE [Kunizza],
C.2. Dietrich d. 1010/20 or after "Wegener refers to "Fridericus comes, Dietricus comes" witnessing a charter relating to land at Weiher, near Wasserburg, dated [1010/20], suggesting that the two may have been brothers[608]." (Citing [608] Quellen bayerischen Geschichte, Neue Folge, Band 8, p. 230 n 287, cited in Wegener (1965/67), p. 148.)
C.3 Friedrich [II] (-1030 or after).
|-->C.3.1 Berthold [I] (d after 16 May 1060).
|-->C.3.2 Friedrich [III] d 30 Jun 1075)
|------>C.3.2.1 Arnold von Diessen (d. aft 1091) m. NN von Schweinfurt (not Gisela)
|---------->C..2.1.1 Berthold [III] (-27 Jun 1151) m1. Sophie of Istria m2. Kunigunde von Formbach

Conclusion: I find Med Lands' presentation most convincing and have now changed my data to reflect this. GA Vaut.2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9

; Per Med Lands:
     "BERTHOLD [I] (-after 16 May 1060). "Chunigundæ imperatricis augustæ" donated property to the church of Freising by charter dated 1025, witnessed by "…Perahtolt filius Friderici comitis…"[614]. Wegener quotes a reference to "comes Perhtoldus de Diezan" dated [1050][615]. Graf von Diessen. Wegener quotes a reference to "Otto son of Graf Perhtold" dated 16 May 1060[616].
     "m ---. The name and origin of the wife of Berthold [I] is not known. Wegener suggests that she was --- von Hohenwart, daughter of Konrad [von Hohenwart] & his wife ---, to explain the entry of the name Konrad into the family of the Grafen von Wolfratshausen and because property held by the latter previously belonged to the Ratpotonen family of Hohenwart[617]. However, this seems chronologically improbable. Otto Graf von Wolfratshausen, son of Graf Berthold [I], is named between the years 1060 and 1117. It therefore seems unlikely that he was born before 1040 at the earliest. In contrast, any daughter of Konrad von Hohenwart must have been born before [1005], when Konrad is recorded as deceased."
Med Lands cites:
[614] D Kunigunde 2, p. 694.
[615] Obb. Arch. 31, p. 136, cited in Wegener (1965/67), p. 149.
[616] Quellen bayerischen Geschichte, Neue Folge, Band 5, p. 315 n 1446, cited in Wegener (1965/67), p. 149.
[617] Wegener (1965/67), p. 149.2
GAV-27. He was Graf von Diessen.1 He was living between 1024 and 1060.1

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Diessen 1 page (Grafen von Diessen): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/diessen/diessen1.html
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BAVARIAN%20NOBILITY.htm#_Toc524803051. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Friedrich I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331097&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Berthold II: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00079991&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Berthold III: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00033343&tree=LEO
  6. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, The Luitpoldings: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/german/luitpold1.html#F2D
  7. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Diessen 1: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/german/diessen1.html
  8. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Diessen 2: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/german/diessen2.html
  9. [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 4 June 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."

Friedrich I "Roch" von Diessen Graf von Diessen1,2,3

M, #57286, d. before 1020
FatherUnknown (?)4
Last Edited4 Jun 2020
     Friedrich I "Roch" von Diessen Graf von Diessen married Kunigunde/Kunizza von Öhningen, daughter of Konrad/Cuno (?) Herzog von Schwaben, Graf von Oenningen and Richlind/Reginlint (?) von Schwaben.1,5,2,3
Friedrich I "Roch" von Diessen Graf von Diessen was buried before 1020 at Jerusalem, Israel (now).3


Friedrich I "Roch" von Diessen Graf von Diessen died before 1020.3
     ; NB: There is disagreement concerning the von Diessen family. This includes the parents of Berthold II. Genealogics and Genealogy.EU show one lineage. Med Lands shows a different descent, with material differences.
     A good description of the likely source of the confusion is found on Med Lands:
     "The following Graf Friedrich [II] is recorded in 1025 (as the father of Berthold [I]), in 1027 (twice, once as father of Otto [I]), and in 1030. He was therefore presumably a different person from Graf Friedrich [I], who is recorded as having died in Jerusalem before 1020. It is not known how the two Grafen Friedrich may have been related, if at all. However, the continuity of references to Diessen suggests a close connection, maybe father and son. Wegener conflates Graf Friedrich [I] and Graf Friedrich [II] as he appears to ignore the reference to the death of the former before 1020[609]. The De Fundatoribus Monasterii Diessenses does not name a second Graf Friedrich, although this is not surprising considering that it appears to ignore the generations between Graf Friedrich [I] and Otto Graf von Wolfratshausen[610]. Generally, the reconstruction of the family of the Grafen von Diessen is hindered rather than helped by the speculative connections suggested by Wegener. An attempt has been made in the following passages to explain these speculations and highlight any contradictions with primary sources which he does not cite. Unfortunately, it appears that many of these misleading speculations have found their way into the tables in Europäische Stammtafeln in which they appear as definite. In the case of this family, therefore, it is more important than ever to use the "back to basics" approach and start again from scratch in compiling information from primary sources. Hopefully, the results are relatively accurate but it is admitted that it is particularly challenging to achieve a definitive reconstruction of this family and no doubt further improvements are possible."
     A. Genealogics relies on Europäische Stammtafeln and shows:
|-->A.1 Berthold I Graf an der Oberen Isar d/ ca 26 Aug 990
|------>A.1.1 Dietrich I, Graf im Wasserburg living 1003
|---------->A.1.1.1 Friedrich I, Graf von Diessen m. Kunizza von Oenningen d. 1020
|-------------->A.1.1.1.1 Berthold II, Graf von Diessen living 1025 m. NN
|------------------>A.1.1.1.1.1 Berthold III, Graf von Andechs living 1095 m. Gisela von Schwaben
|---------->A.1.1.1.2 Otto II, Graf von Diessen d. ca 24 Apr 1120 m. Justizia of Austria
|------>A.1.1.2 Friedrich II, Graf von Diessen d. 23 Jan 1075 m1 Hadamut von Eppenstein m2 Irmingard von Gilching m3 Tuta von Regensburg
     B. Genealogy.EU (Diessen I) cites now sources and shows.
B.1 Berthold I, Pfalzgraf von Bayern. 978/26.8.990; m. N of Upper-Lorraine
|-->B.1.1 Dietrich, d. 1020
|-->B.1.2 Friedrich I Diessen d. 1030
|------>B.1.2.1 Berthold II von Diessen d. 1060; m. NN von Hohenwart
|---------->B.1.2.1.1 Berthold III, Gf von Diessen d. 27.6.1151 m1 Sophie of Istria; m2 Kunigunde von Formbach-Pütten
|------>B.1.2.2 Friedrich II, Gf von Diessen. 1055 m1 Hadamut von Eppenstein m2 Irmengard von Gilching m3 NN von Regensburg
     C. Med Lands cites multiple sources and shows the following:
First of all, Med Lands says: "According to Wegener, Graf Friedrich [I] was the son of Berthold von Reisensburg, son of Arnulf Pfalzgraf in Bavaria [Luitpoldinger][596]. He bases this on a "Berthold" witnessing several exchanges of property in the oberen Isar dated [990/99], and equating him with Berthold von Reisensburg. Several points can be made about this theory. Firstly, it seems surprising that such an illustrious connection with the Luitpoldinger Dukes of Bavaria would not have been mentioned by the various contemporary sources which relate the early history of the Grafen von Diessen. Secondly, the estimated birth date of Berthold von Reisensburg is restricted to the limited period [929/31], bearing in mind the known dates of his own career and the likely birth date of his father. His last known mention is dated 976. Another burst of activity fourteen years after that date would be surprising when he would then have been in his sixties. Thirdly, judging from the 976 entry, Berthold von Reisensburg appears to have fallen into disgrace with Emperor Otto II. There is no record of his return to favour. It is likely therefore that he died soon after and that his descendants (if any) fell into obscurity. Fourthly, it is surprising that Berthold von Reisensburg would not have been described as comes even in entries relating to the period after his disgrace as he would presumably have continued to claim and use the title."

Med Lands thus severs the links between the A.1 and A.1.1 (Genealogics line above) and that between B.1 and both B.1.1 and B.1.2 (Genealogy.EU line above). Med Links shows no ancestors for either Friedrich I or Dietrich, but in fact hypothesizes that they might possibly have been brothers.
C.1. Friedrich [I] "Roch" ( d. Jerusalem before 1020) m. KUNIGUNDE [Kunizza],
C.2. Dietrich d. 1010/20 or after "Wegener refers to "Fridericus comes, Dietricus comes" witnessing a charter relating to land at Weiher, near Wasserburg, dated [1010/20], suggesting that the two may have been brothers[608]." (Citing [608] Quellen bayerischen Geschichte, Neue Folge, Band 8, p. 230 n 287, cited in Wegener (1965/67), p. 148.)
C.3 Friedrich [II] (-1030 or after).
|-->C.3.1 Berthold [I] (d after 16 May 1060).
|-->C.3.2 Friedrich [III] d 30 Jun 1075)
|------>C.3.2.1 Arnold von Diessen (d. aft 1091) m. NN von Schweinfurt (not Gisela)
|---------->C..2.1.1 Berthold [III] (-27 Jun 1151) m1. Sophie of Istria m2. Kunigunde von Formbach

Conclusion: I find Med Lands' presentation most convincing and have now changed my data to reflect this. GA Vaut.3,6,7,8,9,10,11,12

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: I.1 9.6

; Per Med Lands:
     "FRIEDRICH [I] "Roch" (-Jerusalem before 1020, bur Jerusalem). The De Fundatoribus Monasterii Diessenses names "Fridericus comes dictus Roch" as successor of "Razzo comes"[597], without specifying any relationship between the two. The same source records that Friedrich went to Jerusalem where he died and was buried. "Henricus…rex" granted property "inter suos fluvios Ysara et Liubasa…in comitatu Friderici…in Hachingun in pago Sundergouue" to "comitis Adalberonis" by charter dated 30 Jun 1003[598]. Wegener refers to "Fridericus comes, Dietricus comes" witnessing a charter relating to land at Weiher, near Wasserburg, dated [1010/20][599].
     "m KUNIGUNDE [Kunizza], daughter of [KONRAD I Duke of Swabia [Konradiner] & his wife Richlint ---] (-6 Mar after 1020, bur Diessen St Stefan). The Genealogia Welforum refers to the four daughters of "Chuno comes [et] filia Ottonis Magni imperatoris", specifying that the fourth (unnamed) married "comite de Andhese"[600]. The Historia Welforum refers to the four daughters of "Couno comes" and "filia Ottonis magnis imperatoris…Richlint", specifying that they married "una Roudolfo isti [=Welforum], alia cuidam de Rinveldin, parenti Zaringiorum, tercia regie Rugiorum, quarta comiti de Diezon"[601]. As noted in the document SWABIA DUKES, these two sources are unreliable in their recording of the sons of Konrad I Duke of Swabia, so should not be assumed to be any more precise in recording his daughters. The De Fundatoribus Monasterii Diessenses names "Kunizza comitissa" as wife of "Fridericus comes dictus Roch", but specifying that she was the sister of "sancta Richgardis que Ebersberg cenobium construxit" and that "Otto imperator magnus" was their "avus"[602]. On the other hand, the Chronico Eberspergense names "Rihcardem sororem Marhwardi presidis de Carinthia"[603]. No other indication has been found that Richardis may have been the sister of Kunigunde. The De Fundatoribus records that Kunizza founded "monasterium sancti Stephani" in 1020 after the death of her husband. The necrology of Diessen records the death "Mar Non" of "Chuniza com, sepulta in media basilica s Stephani, uxor Friderici comes Rochen"[604]."
Med Lands cites:
[597] De Fundatoribus Monasterii Diessenses III, MGH SS XVII, p. 329.
[598] D H II 54, p. 65.
[599] Quellen bayerischen Geschichte, Neue Folge, Band 8, p. 230 n 287, cited in Wegener (1965/67), p. 148.
[600] Genealogia Welforum 4, MGH SS XIII, p. 734.
[601] Historia Welforum Weingartensis 6, MGH SS XXI, p. 460.
[602] De Fundatoribus Monasterii Diessenses III, MGH SS XVII, p. 329.
[603] Chronico Eberspergense, MGH SS XX, p. 12.
[604] Necrologium Diessense, Augsburg Necrologies, p. 7.3


; Per Med Lands:
     "[KUNIGUNDE [Kunizza] (-6 Mar 1020, bur Diessen). The Genealogia Welforum refers to the four daughters of "Chuno comes [et] filia Ottonis Magni imperatoris", specifying that the fourth (unnamed) married "comite de Andhese"[165]. The Historia Welforum refers to the four daughters of "Couno comes" and "filia Ottonis magnis imperatoris…Richlint", specifying that they married "una Roudolfo isti [=Welforum], alia cuidam de Rinveldin, parenti Zaringiorum, tercia regie Rugiorum, quarta comiti de Diezon"[166]. As noted above, these two sources are unreliable in their recording of the sons of Konrad I Duke of Swabia, so should not be assumed to be any more precise in recording his daughters. The De Fundatoribus Monasterii Diessenses names "Kunizza comitissa" as wife of "Fridericus comes dictus Roch", but specifying that she was the sister of "sancta Richgardis que Ebersberg cenobium construxit" and that "Otto imperator magnus" was their "avus"[167]. On the other hand, the Chronico Eberspergense names "Rihcardem sororem Marhwardi presidis de Carinthia"[168]. No other indication has been found that Richardis may have been the sister of Kunigunde. The De Fundatoribus records that Kunizza founded "monasterium sancti Stephani" in 1020 after the death of her husband. The necrology of Diessen records the death "Mar Non" of "Chuniza com, sepulta in media basilica s Stephani, uxor Friderici comes Rochen"[169].
     "m FRIEDRICH I Graf [von Diessen], son of --- (-Jerusalem before 1020, bur Jerusalem).]"
Med Lands cites:
[165] Genealogia Welforum 4, MGH SS XIII, p. 734.
[166] Historia Welforum Weingartensis 6, MGH SS XXI, p. 460.
[167] De Fundatoribus Monasterii Diessenses III, MGH SS XVII, p. 329.
[168] Chronico Eberspergense, MGH SS XX, p. 12.
[169] Necrologium Diessense, Augsburg Necrologies, p. 7.13

; Med Lands hypopthesizes that Friedrich I and Dietrich might have been brothers, by and un-named father: "Wegener refers to "Fridericus comes, Dietricus comes" witnessing a charter relating to land at Weiher, near Wasserburg, dated [1010/20], suggesting that the two may have been brothers[608]."
Med Lands cites: [608] Quellen bayerischen Geschichte, Neue Folge, Band 8, p. 230 n 287, cited in Wegener (1965/67), p. 148.3

; Graf von Diessen.1

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Diessen 1 page (Grafen von Diessen): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/diessen/diessen1.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Friedrich I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331097&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BAVARIAN%20NOBILITY.htm#_Toc524803051. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Dietrich I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00079990&tree=LEO
  5. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Kunizza von Oenningen: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331098&tree=LEO
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Friedrich I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331097&tree=LEO
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Berthold II: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00079991&tree=LEO
  8. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Berthold III: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00033343&tree=LEO
  9. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, The Luitpoldings: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/german/luitpold1.html#F2D
  10. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Diessen 1: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/german/diessen1.html
  11. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Diessen 2: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/german/diessen2.html
  12. [S1549] "Author's comment", various, Gregory A. Vaut (e-mail address), to unknown recipient (unknown recipient address), 4 June 2020; unknown repository, unknown repository address. Hereinafter cited as "GA Vaut Comment."
  13. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SWABIA.htm#Kunigunddied1020

Kunigunde/Kunizza von Öhningen1,2,3

F, #57287, d. 1020
FatherKonrad/Cuno (?) Herzog von Schwaben, Graf von Oenningen1,2,4,3,5 b. 920
MotherRichlind/Reginlint (?) von Schwaben1,2,3,5,6 b. 950, d. 999
Last Edited1 Jul 2020
     Kunigunde/Kunizza von Öhningen married Friedrich I "Roch" von Diessen Graf von Diessen, son of Unknown (?).1,2,7,8
Kunigunde/Kunizza von Öhningen died in 1020.2
     ; Per Med Lands:
     "FRIEDRICH [I] "Roch" (-Jerusalem before 1020, bur Jerusalem). The De Fundatoribus Monasterii Diessenses names "Fridericus comes dictus Roch" as successor of "Razzo comes"[597], without specifying any relationship between the two. The same source records that Friedrich went to Jerusalem where he died and was buried. "Henricus…rex" granted property "inter suos fluvios Ysara et Liubasa…in comitatu Friderici…in Hachingun in pago Sundergouue" to "comitis Adalberonis" by charter dated 30 Jun 1003[598]. Wegener refers to "Fridericus comes, Dietricus comes" witnessing a charter relating to land at Weiher, near Wasserburg, dated [1010/20][599].
     "m KUNIGUNDE [Kunizza], daughter of [KONRAD I Duke of Swabia [Konradiner] & his wife Richlint ---] (-6 Mar after 1020, bur Diessen St Stefan). The Genealogia Welforum refers to the four daughters of "Chuno comes [et] filia Ottonis Magni imperatoris", specifying that the fourth (unnamed) married "comite de Andhese"[600]. The Historia Welforum refers to the four daughters of "Couno comes" and "filia Ottonis magnis imperatoris…Richlint", specifying that they married "una Roudolfo isti [=Welforum], alia cuidam de Rinveldin, parenti Zaringiorum, tercia regie Rugiorum, quarta comiti de Diezon"[601]. As noted in the document SWABIA DUKES, these two sources are unreliable in their recording of the sons of Konrad I Duke of Swabia, so should not be assumed to be any more precise in recording his daughters. The De Fundatoribus Monasterii Diessenses names "Kunizza comitissa" as wife of "Fridericus comes dictus Roch", but specifying that she was the sister of "sancta Richgardis que Ebersberg cenobium construxit" and that "Otto imperator magnus" was their "avus"[602]. On the other hand, the Chronico Eberspergense names "Rihcardem sororem Marhwardi presidis de Carinthia"[603]. No other indication has been found that Richardis may have been the sister of Kunigunde. The De Fundatoribus records that Kunizza founded "monasterium sancti Stephani" in 1020 after the death of her husband. The necrology of Diessen records the death "Mar Non" of "Chuniza com, sepulta in media basilica s Stephani, uxor Friderici comes Rochen"[604]."
Med Lands cites:
[597] De Fundatoribus Monasterii Diessenses III, MGH SS XVII, p. 329.
[598] D H II 54, p. 65.
[599] Quellen bayerischen Geschichte, Neue Folge, Band 8, p. 230 n 287, cited in Wegener (1965/67), p. 148.
[600] Genealogia Welforum 4, MGH SS XIII, p. 734.
[601] Historia Welforum Weingartensis 6, MGH SS XXI, p. 460.
[602] De Fundatoribus Monasterii Diessenses III, MGH SS XVII, p. 329.
[603] Chronico Eberspergense, MGH SS XX, p. 12.
[604] Necrologium Diessense, Augsburg Necrologies, p. 7.8


Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: I.1 9.9 Kunigunde/Kunizza von Öhningen was also known as Kunizza von Oenningen.2

; Per Med Lands:
     "[KUNIGUNDE [Kunizza] (-6 Mar 1020, bur Diessen). The Genealogia Welforum refers to the four daughters of "Chuno comes [et] filia Ottonis Magni imperatoris", specifying that the fourth (unnamed) married "comite de Andhese"[165]. The Historia Welforum refers to the four daughters of "Couno comes" and "filia Ottonis magnis imperatoris…Richlint", specifying that they married "una Roudolfo isti [=Welforum], alia cuidam de Rinveldin, parenti Zaringiorum, tercia regie Rugiorum, quarta comiti de Diezon"[166]. As noted above, these two sources are unreliable in their recording of the sons of Konrad I Duke of Swabia, so should not be assumed to be any more precise in recording his daughters. The De Fundatoribus Monasterii Diessenses names "Kunizza comitissa" as wife of "Fridericus comes dictus Roch", but specifying that she was the sister of "sancta Richgardis que Ebersberg cenobium construxit" and that "Otto imperator magnus" was their "avus"[167]. On the other hand, the Chronico Eberspergense names "Rihcardem sororem Marhwardi presidis de Carinthia"[168]. No other indication has been found that Richardis may have been the sister of Kunigunde. The De Fundatoribus records that Kunizza founded "monasterium sancti Stephani" in 1020 after the death of her husband. The necrology of Diessen records the death "Mar Non" of "Chuniza com, sepulta in media basilica s Stephani, uxor Friderici comes Rochen"[169].
     "m FRIEDRICH I Graf [von Diessen], son of --- (-Jerusalem before 1020, bur Jerusalem).]"
Med Lands cites:
[165] Genealogia Welforum 4, MGH SS XIII, p. 734.
[166] Historia Welforum Weingartensis 6, MGH SS XXI, p. 460.
[167] De Fundatoribus Monasterii Diessenses III, MGH SS XVII, p. 329.
[168] Chronico Eberspergense, MGH SS XX, p. 12.
[169] Necrologium Diessense, Augsburg Necrologies, p. 7.3

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Diessen 1 page (Grafen von Diessen): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/diessen/diessen1.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Kunizza von Oenningen: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331098&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  3. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SWABIA.htm#Kunigunddied1020. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, duke Cuno: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120359&tree=LEO
  5. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SWABIA.htm#Konraddied997B
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Reginlint: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00120360&tree=LEO
  7. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Friedrich I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331097&tree=LEO
  8. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BAVARIAN%20NOBILITY.htm#_Toc524803051
  9. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Kunizza von Oenningen: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00331098&tree=LEO

Heinrich (?) Bishop of Regensburg1

M, #57288, d. 1155
FatherOtto II von Diessen Graf von Diessen, von Thanning, von Ambras, von Wolfratshausen1 d. c 1122
MotherJustizia (?) von Babenberg1 d. bt 1120 - 1122
Last Edited8 Jul 2003
     Heinrich (?) Bishop of Regensburg died in 1155.1

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Diessen 1 page (Grafen von Diessen): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/diessen/diessen1.html

Lauritta (?)1

F, #57289
Last Edited8 Jul 2003

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Diessen 1 page (Grafen von Diessen): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/diessen/diessen1.html

Heinrich (?) Graf von Wolfratshausen1

M, #57290, d. 1157
FatherOtto III (?) Graf von Wolfratshausen1 d. 1127
MotherLauritta (?)1
Last Edited8 Jul 2003
     Heinrich (?) Graf von Wolfratshausen died in 1157.1

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Diessen 1 page (Grafen von Diessen): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/diessen/diessen1.html

Otto IV (?) Graf von Wolfratshausen1

M, #57291, d. 10 November 1136
FatherOtto III (?) Graf von Wolfratshausen1 d. 1127
MotherLauritta (?)1
Last Edited28 Nov 2003
     Otto IV (?) Graf von Wolfratshausen married (?) (?) of Bavaria, daughter of Otto II (?) Graf von Scheyern, Graf von Wittelsbach, Pfalzgraf of Bavaria and Heilika (?) von Lengenfeld.2
Otto IV (?) Graf von Wolfratshausen died on 10 November 1136 at Pavia, Italy (now); killed in battle.2,1
     ; Leo van de Pas cites: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg.2

; m.a dau.of Otto von Wittelsbach.1

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Diessen 1 page (Grafen von Diessen): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/diessen/diessen1.html
  2. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Otto IV: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00036567&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.

Agnes (?) Abbess of Neuburg an de Donau1

F, #57292
FatherOtto III (?) Graf von Wolfratshausen1 d. 1127
MotherLauritta (?)1
Last Edited8 Jul 2003
     Agnes (?) Abbess of Neuburg an de Donau was Abbess of Neuburg an de Donau between 1165 and 1169.1

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Diessen 1 page (Grafen von Diessen): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/diessen/diessen1.html

Otto von Diessen1

M, #57293
FatherFriedrich I "Roch" von Diessen Graf von Diessen1 d. b 1020
MotherKunigunde/Kunizza von Öhningen1 d. 1020
Last Edited4 Jun 2020

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Diessen 1 page (Grafen von Diessen): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/diessen/diessen1.html

Froizza/Frowila Orseolo1,2

F, #57294, b. circa 1015, d. 17 February 1071
FatherOtone Orseolo Doge of Venice1,3 b. 989, d. 1031
MotherMaria/Grimelda (?) of Hungary1,3 b. 989, d. 1026
Last Edited10 May 2020
     Froizza/Frowila Orseolo was born circa 1015.3 She married Adalbert I 'der Siegreiche' (?) Mkgf der Ostmark, son of Luitpold I (?) Mkgf der Bayrischen Ostmark and Richenza (?) of Saalfeld, before 1041;
His 2nd wife.1,4,3
Froizza/Frowila Orseolo died on 17 February 1071.1,3
     ; Per Genealogy.EU: "A3. Adalbert, Mkgf der Ostmark=Austria (1018-55), +26.5.1055; 1m: Glismod N, sister of Meinwerks, Bp of Paderborn; 2m: Frowila Orseolo (+17.2.1071.)5"

; Per Genealogy.EU: "D2. Froizza (? Frowila), +17.2.1071; m.shortly before 1041 Mgve Adalbert I of Austria (+1055.)6"

Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 2:153.
2. The Plantagenet Ancestry, Baltimore, 1975 , Turton, Lt.Col. W. H. 110.3


; See Wikipedia entry for more information.7

Family

Adalbert I 'der Siegreiche' (?) Mkgf der Ostmark b. c 980, d. 26 May 1053

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Orseolo page (Orseolo Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/italy/orseolo.html
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Babenberg page (The Babenbergs): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/babenberg/babenberg.html
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Froizza Orseolo: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00200283&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adalbert I 'der Siegreiche': https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00079797&tree=LEO
  5. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, The Babenbergs: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/babenberg/babenberg.html
  6. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Orseolo family: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/italy/orseolo.html
  7. [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frozza_Orseolo. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.

Clementia (?)1

F, #57295
ReferenceGAV22
Last Edited10 Aug 2020
     Clementia (?) married Henry Pinel.1
     ; Per Med Lands:
     "Mistress (2): CLEMENTIA, daughter of ---. The Annals of Tewkesbury names “reginæ Clemenciæ” as the mother of “domina Johanna Walliæ, uxor Lewelini, filia regis Johannis” when recording her daughter´s death[592]. Weir names “Henry Pinel” as Clementia´s husband[593]. The primary source which confirms this information has not been identified. The suspicion is that it relates to a possible identification of Clementia herself as “Clementia wife of Henry Pinel” but that there is no basis for saying definitively that the husband of King John´s mistress was Henry Pinel.
     "King John had one illegitimate daughter by Mistress (2):
     "7. JOAN (-30 Mar 1237).:"
Med Lands cites:
[592] Annales de Theokesberia, p. 101.
[593] Weir (2002), p. 73.[LIND]2 GAV-22.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Annales de Theokesberia the Chronicle of Tewkesbury Priory.3 Clementia (?) and John I Lackland (?) King of England were associated.1,3

Family 1

Henry Pinel

Family 2

John I Lackland (?) King of England b. 24 Dec 1167, d. 19 Oct 1216
Child

Citations

  1. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLAND,%20Kings%201066-1603.htm#Joandied1237. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  2. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLAND,%20Kings%201066-1603.htm#JohnKingdied1216B.
  3. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, 'Clementia': https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00327919&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
  4. [S1493] Doug Thompson: "The de Braose Web", online http://freespace.virgin.net/doug.thompson/BraoseWeb/family/home.html, Agatha Ferrers : http://freespace.virgin.net/doug.thompson/BraoseWeb/family/agatha.html. Hereinafter cited as The de Braose Web.
  5. [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), Moyle p. 534. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.
  6. [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Joan of England: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00005990&tree=LEO

Suanahild (?)1

F, #57296
FatherSieghard VII (?) Graf im Chiemgau2 d. 5 Jul 1044
MotherPhilhild (?)2 d. a 23 Oct 1072
Last Edited5 May 2020

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Babenberg page (The Babenbergs): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/babenberg/babenberg.html
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CARINTHIA.htm#SuanahildMErnstAustria. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
  3. [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/AUSTRIA.htm#ErnstIdied1075B
  4. [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ernst 'the Brave': https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00079793&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.

NN von Perg1

F, #57297, d. before 1105
Last Edited22 Aug 2020

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Babenberg page (The Babenbergs): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/babenberg/babenberg.html

Adalbert I (?) Graf von Windberg1

M, #57298, d. 1145
FatherErnst "the Bold" von Babenberg Margrave of Austria1 b. 1027, d. 9 Jun 1075
MotherAdelheid (?) von Wettin1 b. c 1040, d. 26 Jan 1071
Last Edited5 May 2020
     Adalbert I (?) Graf von Windberg married Luitgard von Diessen, daughter of Frederich III von Diessen Graf von Diessen.2
Adalbert I (?) Graf von Windberg died in 1145.1
     ; Per Genealogy.EU (Babenberg): "C2. Adalbert I, Gf von Windberg, +1145; m.Luitgard von Diessen (+1120)"
Per Genealogy.EU (Diessen 2): "A7. Luitgard, +1120; m.Gf Adalbert I von Windberg (+1145.)2,3"

Family

Luitgard von Diessen d. 1120

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Babenberg page (The Babenbergs): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/babenberg/babenberg.html
  2. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, http://genealogy.euweb.cz/german/diessen2.html#LF2
  3. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, http://genealogy.euweb.cz/babenberg/babenberg.html

Adelheid (?)1

F, #57299
FatherErnst "the Bold" von Babenberg Margrave of Austria1,2 b. 1027, d. 9 Jun 1075
MotherAdelheid (?) von Wettin1 b. c 1040, d. 26 Jan 1071
Last Edited5 May 2020
     Adelheid (?) married Hermann (?) von Pernegg.1

Family

Hermann (?) von Pernegg

Citations

  1. [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Babenberg page (The Babenbergs): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/babenberg/babenberg.html
  2. [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/AUSTRIA.htm#ErnstIdied1075B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.