Saint Gunthilde (?) Abbess of Biblisheim1,2
F, #57361, d. 21 February 1131
Father | Dietrich/Thierry II (?) Comte de Ba-le-Duc, Count in Altkirch und Pfirt, Comte de Montbeliard & Bar-le-Duc1,3,2 b. c 1045, d. 2 Jan 1105 |
Mother | Ermentrude (?) de Bourgogne, heiress of Mömpelgard1,4,2 b. bt 1050 - 1055, d. a 8 Mar 1105 |
Last Edited | 14 May 2009 |
Citations
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Bar 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/bar/bar1.html
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bar.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Thierry I (Dietrich): http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026664&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ermentrude de Bourgogne: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026534&tree=LEO
Agnes (?) de Bar and Montbeliard1,2,3,4
F, #57362, b. 1095, d. after 1147
Father | Dietrich/Thierry II (?) Comte de Ba-le-Duc, Count in Altkirch und Pfirt, Comte de Montbeliard & Bar-le-Duc1,3,5,4,6 b. c 1045, d. 2 Jan 1105 |
Mother | Ermentrude (?) de Bourgogne, heiress of Mömpelgard1,7,3,4,6 b. bt 1050 - 1055, d. a 8 Mar 1105 |
Last Edited | 30 Oct 2020 |
Agnes (?) de Bar and Montbeliard was born in 1095; Leo van de Pas says b. ca 1090.1,3,4 She married Hermann II (?) Graf von Salm, Vogt von Senones, son of Herman I (?) German King, Emperor elect, Graf von Salm and Luxemburg and Sophie (?) von Formbach, circa 1104.2,3,4,8,9,6
Agnes (?) de Bar and Montbeliard died after 1147.1,4
; Per Med Lands:
"AGNES de Mousson (-after 1140). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines refers to the sister of "Theodoricum de Monte Beliardi, Fredericum de Ferretes…et Renaldum Strabum comitem de Barro Ducis" as the wife of "Hermanno de Salmis", and their sons "Henricum de Salmis et fratrem eius Theodericum abbatem sancti Pauli Virdunensis"[106]. A charter dated 1147 confirms the agreement between "comitissa Agnes et heredes de Languesten" and "Bencelinus de Turquesten cum filio suo Conone" and others relating to the abbey of Haute-Seille, with the consent of "comitissam Agnetem de Languesten cum filiis suis Henrico et Hermanno consulibus, Conrardum…comitem cum uxore sua Havyde et filio Hugone"[107]. She is named in the charter dated 1174 under which "Henricus comes de Salmis" confirmed donations to the abbey of Haute-Seille by "patrui mei comitis Hermani aviæque meæ Agnetis"[108]. A further detail is added by the charter dated 1186 under which "Henricus comes de Salmis" confirmed donations to the abbey of Haute-Seille by "Agnetem comitissam de Langesten aviam meam, Henricum patrem meum et Hermanum fratrem eius, consules"[109]. "Agnes comitissa" confirmed donations to the abbey of Saint-Sauveur for the soul of "comitis Godefridi mariti mei"[110], "Godefridi" presumably being a copyist's error for "Hermanni".
"m ([1104]) HERMANN Graf von Salm, son of HERMANN Graf von Salm King of Germany & his wife --- ([1075]-[1135])."
Med Lands cites:
Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: IV 92.10
; Per :
"Agnès de Bar, comtesse de Langenstein puis de Salm, était fille de Thierry I, comte de Bar (Bar-le-Duc), et d'Ermentrude de Bourgogne (fille de Guillaume Ier Tête Hardie, comte de Bourgogne). Elle est née vers 1082 ou 1087 au château paternel de Bar, et morte vers 1176. Elle était la nièce du pape Calixte II.
"Elle épousa d'abord Godefroi (Gotfried), comte de Langenstein (ou Langstein) (mort avant 1110), descendant du duc de Lorraine Adalbert d'Alsace, qui possédait le château de Langenstein (Longue Pierre, devenu Pierre-Percée).
"Veuve, elle se remaria vers 1110 avec Hermann II de Salm (de la dynastie de Luxembourg) et eut de lui trois enfants connus.
"Vassal du duc de Lorraine, le comte Hermann accompagna ce dernier dans ses guerres livrées contre la propre famille d'Agnès.
"Il trouva la mort (en 1134 ?) au cours d'une bataille, et son château vosgien fut conquis après plus d'un an de guérilla. La légende veut qu'Agnès ait trouvé la mort au cours du siège du château, après avoir fait creuser le fameux puits.
"Devenue veuve, Agnès fonda l'abbaye de Haute-Seille en 1140, non loin de Pierre-Percée, qu'elle affilia à l'Ordre cistercien.
"C'est son deuxième fils, Henri Ier, qui prit la succession du comté et qui semble avoir fait creuser un large puits au château, lequel ne fut plus connu dès le xiiie siècle que sous le nom de château de Pierre-Percée.
"D'après certaines sources, sujettes à caution, la comtesse aurait été ensevelie dans l'église de Raon-lès-Leau et non dans celle de Badonviller, la capitale du comté.
Bibliographie
** L'abbaye de Saint-Sauveur-en-Vosges : mille ans d'histoire / C. Andriot et C. Guyon, dir. Annales de l'Est, numéro spécial 2010.
** Senones, Moyenmoutier, Étival : pays d'abbayes en Lorraine / rédaction, André Petitdemange ; participation, René Absalon, Daniel Caquard, Stéphanie Masset... [et al.]. Senones : Office de tourisme du pays des abbayes, 2007."11 Agnes (?) de Bar and Montbeliard was also known as Agnes von Bar.10 Agnes (?) de Bar and Montbeliard was also known as Agnes de Mousson.6 Agnes (?) de Bar and Montbeliard was also known as Agnès de Langenstein.11
; Per Genealogy.EU: "A1. Gf Hermann I von Salm, *ca 1075, +20.2.1136; m.ca 1104 Agnes de Bar and Montbeliard (+after 1147.)12"
; Per Racines et Histoire:
; Per Med Lands:
"HERMANN [II] von Salm ([1070/75]-[1135]). As noted in FRANCONIA NOBILITY, there is a possibility that this was the same person as Hermann, son of Hermann Graf von Gleiberg who is named in a charter dated 1095. Graf von Salm. “Heinricus comes Coenradi piæ memoriæ comitis filius” swore to defend the church of Echternach by charter dated 1095, subscribed by “Heinricus palatinus, Herimannus Herimanni comitis filius et frater eius Theodericus…”[353]. "...Herimanno Salmucensi comite et fratre eius Ottone…" subscribed a charter dated 3 Oct 1104 which confirmed the donation to Stablo made by "Rigoldus de Alfunza"[354]. “Hermannus comes de Salmis...” subscribed the charter dated to [1123] under which “Wilhelmus comes de Lucemburgh...et filius meus Conradus” confirmed donations, made in 1183 by “patrem meum Conradum comitem...annuente matre mea Clementia et fratribus meis”, to the abbey of Luxembourg[355]. Lothar King of Germany confirmed property of Duisburg by charter dated 8 May 1129 witnessed by "…Comites: Gerhardus Longus de Gelere, Arnoldus de Cliue, Hermannus de Caluerlage, Hermannus de Salmene, Otto de Rinecke, Florentius de Hollande, Gerhardus de Hostad, Bernhardus de Hildenesheim, Godefridus et Hermannus de Cuch, Adolfus de Berge…"[356]. “Comitis Hermani et filii eius Hermani...” subscribed the charter dated 1130 which records the donation to Senones made by “domina...Leucardis de Basimont”, the occupation of the property after her death by “dominus Gerardus de Parreia”, and the subsequent settlement[357]. Emperor Lothar donated property to Epternach by charter dated 24 Apr 1131 witnessed by "…Otto comes de Rinecke fraterque suus Hermannus comes de Salmis…"[358].
"m ([1104]) AGNES de Mousson, daughter of THIERRY Comte de Mousson & his wife Ermentrude de Bourgogne [Comté] (-after 1140). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines refers to the sister of "Theodoricum de Monte Beliardi, Fredericum de Ferretes…et Renaldum Strabum comitem de Barro Ducis" as the wife of "Hermanno de Salmis", and names their sons "Henricum de Salmis et fratrem eius Theodericum abbatem sancti Pauli Virdunensis"[359]. A charter dated 1147 confirms the agreement between "comitissa Agnes et heredes de Languesten" and "Bencelinus de Turquesten cum filio suo Conone" and others relating to the abbey of Haute-Seille, with the consent of "comitissam Agnetem de Languesten cum filiis suis Henrico et Hermanno consulibus, Conrardum…comitem cum uxore sua Havyde et filio Hugone"[360]. “Conrardum”, his wife and son, have not been identified. She is named in the charter dated 1174 under which "Henricus comes de Salmis" confirmed donations to the abbey of Haute-Seille by "patrui mei comitis Hermani aviæque meæ Agnetis"[361]. A further detail is added by the charter dated 1186 under which "Henricus comes de Salmis" confirmed donations to the abbey of Haute-Seille by "Agnetem comitissam de Langesten aviam meam, Henricum patrem meum et Hermanum fratrem eius, consules"[362]. "Agnes comitissa" confirmed donations to the abbey of Saint-Sauveur for the soul of "comitis Godefridi mariti mei"[363], "Godefridi" presumably being a copyist's error for "Hermanni". A charter dated to [1155] or [1160] records the foundation of the abbey of Haute-Seille by “comitissam Agnetem de Languestein cum filiis suis Henrico et Heremanno consulibus, Conrardum...comitem cum uxore sua Havyde et filio Hugone”[364]."
Med Lands cites:
; Agnes von Bar, in 1140 as widow of Hermann I, Graf von Salm, founded the Abbaye de Haute-Seible.3
Agnes (?) de Bar and Montbeliard died after 1147.1,4
; Per Med Lands:
"AGNES de Mousson (-after 1140). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines refers to the sister of "Theodoricum de Monte Beliardi, Fredericum de Ferretes…et Renaldum Strabum comitem de Barro Ducis" as the wife of "Hermanno de Salmis", and their sons "Henricum de Salmis et fratrem eius Theodericum abbatem sancti Pauli Virdunensis"[106]. A charter dated 1147 confirms the agreement between "comitissa Agnes et heredes de Languesten" and "Bencelinus de Turquesten cum filio suo Conone" and others relating to the abbey of Haute-Seille, with the consent of "comitissam Agnetem de Languesten cum filiis suis Henrico et Hermanno consulibus, Conrardum…comitem cum uxore sua Havyde et filio Hugone"[107]. She is named in the charter dated 1174 under which "Henricus comes de Salmis" confirmed donations to the abbey of Haute-Seille by "patrui mei comitis Hermani aviæque meæ Agnetis"[108]. A further detail is added by the charter dated 1186 under which "Henricus comes de Salmis" confirmed donations to the abbey of Haute-Seille by "Agnetem comitissam de Langesten aviam meam, Henricum patrem meum et Hermanum fratrem eius, consules"[109]. "Agnes comitissa" confirmed donations to the abbey of Saint-Sauveur for the soul of "comitis Godefridi mariti mei"[110], "Godefridi" presumably being a copyist's error for "Hermanni".
"m ([1104]) HERMANN Graf von Salm, son of HERMANN Graf von Salm King of Germany & his wife --- ([1075]-[1135])."
Med Lands cites:
[106] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1158, MGH SS XXIII, p. 844.
[107] Viellard (1884), 198, p. 250.
[108] Erpelding, D. (ed.) (1979) Actes des Princes Lorrains, 1ère série: Princes Laïques, II. Les Comtes, B. Actes des Comtes de Salm (préédition, Nancy) (“Salm”), 4, p. 12.
[109] Salm 7, p. 18.
--[110] Salm 1, p. 7, headed "suspect" in the compilation.6
[107] Viellard (1884), 198, p. 250.
[108] Erpelding, D. (ed.) (1979) Actes des Princes Lorrains, 1ère série: Princes Laïques, II. Les Comtes, B. Actes des Comtes de Salm (préédition, Nancy) (“Salm”), 4, p. 12.
[109] Salm 7, p. 18.
--[110] Salm 1, p. 7, headed "suspect" in the compilation.6
Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: IV 92.10
; Per :
"Agnès de Bar, comtesse de Langenstein puis de Salm, était fille de Thierry I, comte de Bar (Bar-le-Duc), et d'Ermentrude de Bourgogne (fille de Guillaume Ier Tête Hardie, comte de Bourgogne). Elle est née vers 1082 ou 1087 au château paternel de Bar, et morte vers 1176. Elle était la nièce du pape Calixte II.
"Elle épousa d'abord Godefroi (Gotfried), comte de Langenstein (ou Langstein) (mort avant 1110), descendant du duc de Lorraine Adalbert d'Alsace, qui possédait le château de Langenstein (Longue Pierre, devenu Pierre-Percée).
"Veuve, elle se remaria vers 1110 avec Hermann II de Salm (de la dynastie de Luxembourg) et eut de lui trois enfants connus.
"Vassal du duc de Lorraine, le comte Hermann accompagna ce dernier dans ses guerres livrées contre la propre famille d'Agnès.
"Il trouva la mort (en 1134 ?) au cours d'une bataille, et son château vosgien fut conquis après plus d'un an de guérilla. La légende veut qu'Agnès ait trouvé la mort au cours du siège du château, après avoir fait creuser le fameux puits.
"Devenue veuve, Agnès fonda l'abbaye de Haute-Seille en 1140, non loin de Pierre-Percée, qu'elle affilia à l'Ordre cistercien.
"C'est son deuxième fils, Henri Ier, qui prit la succession du comté et qui semble avoir fait creuser un large puits au château, lequel ne fut plus connu dès le xiiie siècle que sous le nom de château de Pierre-Percée.
"D'après certaines sources, sujettes à caution, la comtesse aurait été ensevelie dans l'église de Raon-lès-Leau et non dans celle de Badonviller, la capitale du comté.
Bibliographie
** L'abbaye de Saint-Sauveur-en-Vosges : mille ans d'histoire / C. Andriot et C. Guyon, dir. Annales de l'Est, numéro spécial 2010.
** Senones, Moyenmoutier, Étival : pays d'abbayes en Lorraine / rédaction, André Petitdemange ; participation, René Absalon, Daniel Caquard, Stéphanie Masset... [et al.]. Senones : Office de tourisme du pays des abbayes, 2007."11 Agnes (?) de Bar and Montbeliard was also known as Agnes von Bar.10 Agnes (?) de Bar and Montbeliard was also known as Agnes de Mousson.6 Agnes (?) de Bar and Montbeliard was also known as Agnès de Langenstein.11
; Per Genealogy.EU: "A1. Gf Hermann I von Salm, *ca 1075, +20.2.1136; m.ca 1104 Agnes de Bar and Montbeliard (+after 1147.)12"
; Per Racines et Histoire:
(Bar) - "Agnès de Mousson ° ~1095 + après 1140 (1147 ?)
ép. 1104 Hermann II, graf von (zu) Salm ° 1075 + 20/02/1135/36 (fils d’Hermann, graf von Salm, roi de Germanie, et d’Agnès von Rheineck)"
(Luxembourg) - "Herman 1 er von Salm ° ~1075 + 20/02/1136 comte de Salm (1156)
ép. ~1104 Agnès de Bar et de Montbéliard + après 1147."13,14
ép. 1104 Hermann II, graf von (zu) Salm ° 1075 + 20/02/1135/36 (fils d’Hermann, graf von Salm, roi de Germanie, et d’Agnès von Rheineck)"
(Luxembourg) - "Herman 1 er von Salm ° ~1075 + 20/02/1136 comte de Salm (1156)
ép. ~1104 Agnès de Bar et de Montbéliard + après 1147."13,14
; Per Med Lands:
"HERMANN [II] von Salm ([1070/75]-[1135]). As noted in FRANCONIA NOBILITY, there is a possibility that this was the same person as Hermann, son of Hermann Graf von Gleiberg who is named in a charter dated 1095. Graf von Salm. “Heinricus comes Coenradi piæ memoriæ comitis filius” swore to defend the church of Echternach by charter dated 1095, subscribed by “Heinricus palatinus, Herimannus Herimanni comitis filius et frater eius Theodericus…”[353]. "...Herimanno Salmucensi comite et fratre eius Ottone…" subscribed a charter dated 3 Oct 1104 which confirmed the donation to Stablo made by "Rigoldus de Alfunza"[354]. “Hermannus comes de Salmis...” subscribed the charter dated to [1123] under which “Wilhelmus comes de Lucemburgh...et filius meus Conradus” confirmed donations, made in 1183 by “patrem meum Conradum comitem...annuente matre mea Clementia et fratribus meis”, to the abbey of Luxembourg[355]. Lothar King of Germany confirmed property of Duisburg by charter dated 8 May 1129 witnessed by "…Comites: Gerhardus Longus de Gelere, Arnoldus de Cliue, Hermannus de Caluerlage, Hermannus de Salmene, Otto de Rinecke, Florentius de Hollande, Gerhardus de Hostad, Bernhardus de Hildenesheim, Godefridus et Hermannus de Cuch, Adolfus de Berge…"[356]. “Comitis Hermani et filii eius Hermani...” subscribed the charter dated 1130 which records the donation to Senones made by “domina...Leucardis de Basimont”, the occupation of the property after her death by “dominus Gerardus de Parreia”, and the subsequent settlement[357]. Emperor Lothar donated property to Epternach by charter dated 24 Apr 1131 witnessed by "…Otto comes de Rinecke fraterque suus Hermannus comes de Salmis…"[358].
"m ([1104]) AGNES de Mousson, daughter of THIERRY Comte de Mousson & his wife Ermentrude de Bourgogne [Comté] (-after 1140). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines refers to the sister of "Theodoricum de Monte Beliardi, Fredericum de Ferretes…et Renaldum Strabum comitem de Barro Ducis" as the wife of "Hermanno de Salmis", and names their sons "Henricum de Salmis et fratrem eius Theodericum abbatem sancti Pauli Virdunensis"[359]. A charter dated 1147 confirms the agreement between "comitissa Agnes et heredes de Languesten" and "Bencelinus de Turquesten cum filio suo Conone" and others relating to the abbey of Haute-Seille, with the consent of "comitissam Agnetem de Languesten cum filiis suis Henrico et Hermanno consulibus, Conrardum…comitem cum uxore sua Havyde et filio Hugone"[360]. “Conrardum”, his wife and son, have not been identified. She is named in the charter dated 1174 under which "Henricus comes de Salmis" confirmed donations to the abbey of Haute-Seille by "patrui mei comitis Hermani aviæque meæ Agnetis"[361]. A further detail is added by the charter dated 1186 under which "Henricus comes de Salmis" confirmed donations to the abbey of Haute-Seille by "Agnetem comitissam de Langesten aviam meam, Henricum patrem meum et Hermanum fratrem eius, consules"[362]. "Agnes comitissa" confirmed donations to the abbey of Saint-Sauveur for the soul of "comitis Godefridi mariti mei"[363], "Godefridi" presumably being a copyist's error for "Hermanni". A charter dated to [1155] or [1160] records the foundation of the abbey of Haute-Seille by “comitissam Agnetem de Languestein cum filiis suis Henrico et Heremanno consulibus, Conrardum...comitem cum uxore sua Havyde et filio Hugone”[364]."
Med Lands cites:
[353] Veterum Scriptorum II, col. 78.
[354] Simon, J. (1865) Die Geschichte des reichständischen Hauses Ysenburg und Büdingen, Band III Das Ysenburg und Büdingensche Urkundenbuch (Frankfurt) ("Isenburg Urkundenbuch"), III, p. 4.
[355] Calmet (1728), Tome II, Preuves, col. cclxx.
[356] Niederrheins Urkundenbuch, Band I, 305, p. 200.
[357] Calmet (1728), Tome II, Preuves, col. cclxxxix.
[358] Hontheim, J. N. von (1750) Historia Trevirensis Diplomatica et Pragmatica, Tome I ("Trier Diplomatica (Hontheim)"), CCCXLIII, p. 516.
[359] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1158, MGH SS XXIII, p. 844.
[360] Viellard, L. (1884) Documents et mémoire pour server à l´histoire du territoire de Belfort (Besançon), 198, p. 250.
[361] Erpelding, D. (ed.) (1979) Actes des Princes Lorrains, 1ère série: Princes Laïques, II. Les Comtes, B. Actes des Comtes de Salm (préédition, Nancy) (“Salm”), 4, p. 12.
[362] Salm 7, p. 18.
[363] Salm 1, p. 7, headed "suspect" in the compilation.
[364] Calmet, A. (1757) Histoire de Lorraine (Nancy), Tome V, Preuves, col. ccclv.9
She was living in 1135.3 [354] Simon, J. (1865) Die Geschichte des reichständischen Hauses Ysenburg und Büdingen, Band III Das Ysenburg und Büdingensche Urkundenbuch (Frankfurt) ("Isenburg Urkundenbuch"), III, p. 4.
[355] Calmet (1728), Tome II, Preuves, col. cclxx.
[356] Niederrheins Urkundenbuch, Band I, 305, p. 200.
[357] Calmet (1728), Tome II, Preuves, col. cclxxxix.
[358] Hontheim, J. N. von (1750) Historia Trevirensis Diplomatica et Pragmatica, Tome I ("Trier Diplomatica (Hontheim)"), CCCXLIII, p. 516.
[359] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1158, MGH SS XXIII, p. 844.
[360] Viellard, L. (1884) Documents et mémoire pour server à l´histoire du territoire de Belfort (Besançon), 198, p. 250.
[361] Erpelding, D. (ed.) (1979) Actes des Princes Lorrains, 1ère série: Princes Laïques, II. Les Comtes, B. Actes des Comtes de Salm (préédition, Nancy) (“Salm”), 4, p. 12.
[362] Salm 7, p. 18.
[363] Salm 1, p. 7, headed "suspect" in the compilation.
[364] Calmet, A. (1757) Histoire de Lorraine (Nancy), Tome V, Preuves, col. ccclv.9
; Agnes von Bar, in 1140 as widow of Hermann I, Graf von Salm, founded the Abbaye de Haute-Seible.3
Family | Hermann II (?) Graf von Salm, Vogt von Senones b. c 1075, d. 20 Feb 1136 |
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Citations
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Bar 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/bar/bar1.html
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 4 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg4.html
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Agnes von Bar: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174519&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bar.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Thierry I (Dietrich): http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026664&tree=LEO
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BAR.htm#AgnesMHermannSalm. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ermentrude de Bourgogne: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026534&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hermann I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00104731&tree=LEO
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LUXEMBOURG.htm#_Toc533606715
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Agnes von Bar: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174519&tree=LEO
- [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Agnès de Langenstein: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agn%C3%A8s_de_Langenstein. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 4: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg4.html
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Bar, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bar.pdf
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Maison de Luxembourg, p. 4: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Luxembourg.pdf
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Heinrich I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00107754&tree=LEO
Hermann II (?) Graf von Salm, Vogt von Senones1,2,3
M, #57363, b. circa 1075, d. 20 February 1136
Father | Herman I (?) German King, Emperor elect, Graf von Salm and Luxemburg1,3,4,5,6 b. c 1035, d. 28 Sep 1088 |
Mother | Sophie (?) von Formbach1,3,7,4,6,8 b. c 1035, d. a 23 Sep 1088 |
Last Edited | 19 Nov 2020 |
Hermann II (?) Graf von Salm, Vogt von Senones was born circa 1075; Med Lands says b. 1070/75; Racines et Histoire says b. ca 1075.1,9,4,6 He married Agnes (?) de Bar and Montbeliard, daughter of Dietrich/Thierry II (?) Comte de Ba-le-Duc, Count in Altkirch und Pfirt, Comte de Montbeliard & Bar-le-Duc and Ermentrude (?) de Bourgogne, heiress of Mömpelgard, circa 1104.1,10,3,7,4,11
Hermann II (?) Graf von Salm, Vogt von Senones died on 20 February 1136; Genealogics says d. ca 1138.1,3,7
; Per Genealogy.EU: "A1. Gf Hermann I von Salm, *ca 1075, +20.2.1136; m.ca 1104 Agnes de Bar and Montbeliard (+after 1147.)12"
; Per Racines et Histoire:
Reference: Genealogics cites:
; Per Med Lands:
"HERMANN [II] von Salm ([1070/75]-[1135]). As noted in FRANCONIA NOBILITY, there is a possibility that this was the same person as Hermann, son of Hermann Graf von Gleiberg who is named in a charter dated 1095. Graf von Salm. “Heinricus comes Coenradi piæ memoriæ comitis filius” swore to defend the church of Echternach by charter dated 1095, subscribed by “Heinricus palatinus, Herimannus Herimanni comitis filius et frater eius Theodericus…”[353]. "...Herimanno Salmucensi comite et fratre eius Ottone…" subscribed a charter dated 3 Oct 1104 which confirmed the donation to Stablo made by "Rigoldus de Alfunza"[354]. “Hermannus comes de Salmis...” subscribed the charter dated to [1123] under which “Wilhelmus comes de Lucemburgh...et filius meus Conradus” confirmed donations, made in 1183 by “patrem meum Conradum comitem...annuente matre mea Clementia et fratribus meis”, to the abbey of Luxembourg[355]. Lothar King of Germany confirmed property of Duisburg by charter dated 8 May 1129 witnessed by "…Comites: Gerhardus Longus de Gelere, Arnoldus de Cliue, Hermannus de Caluerlage, Hermannus de Salmene, Otto de Rinecke, Florentius de Hollande, Gerhardus de Hostad, Bernhardus de Hildenesheim, Godefridus et Hermannus de Cuch, Adolfus de Berge…"[356]. “Comitis Hermani et filii eius Hermani...” subscribed the charter dated 1130 which records the donation to Senones made by “domina...Leucardis de Basimont”, the occupation of the property after her death by “dominus Gerardus de Parreia”, and the subsequent settlement[357]. Emperor Lothar donated property to Epternach by charter dated 24 Apr 1131 witnessed by "…Otto comes de Rinecke fraterque suus Hermannus comes de Salmis…"[358].
"m ([1104]) AGNES de Mousson, daughter of THIERRY Comte de Mousson & his wife Ermentrude de Bourgogne [Comté] (-after 1140). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines refers to the sister of "Theodoricum de Monte Beliardi, Fredericum de Ferretes…et Renaldum Strabum comitem de Barro Ducis" as the wife of "Hermanno de Salmis", and names their sons "Henricum de Salmis et fratrem eius Theodericum abbatem sancti Pauli Virdunensis"[359]. A charter dated 1147 confirms the agreement between "comitissa Agnes et heredes de Languesten" and "Bencelinus de Turquesten cum filio suo Conone" and others relating to the abbey of Haute-Seille, with the consent of "comitissam Agnetem de Languesten cum filiis suis Henrico et Hermanno consulibus, Conrardum…comitem cum uxore sua Havyde et filio Hugone"[360]. “Conrardum”, his wife and son, have not been identified. She is named in the charter dated 1174 under which "Henricus comes de Salmis" confirmed donations to the abbey of Haute-Seille by "patrui mei comitis Hermani aviæque meæ Agnetis"[361]. A further detail is added by the charter dated 1186 under which "Henricus comes de Salmis" confirmed donations to the abbey of Haute-Seille by "Agnetem comitissam de Langesten aviam meam, Henricum patrem meum et Hermanum fratrem eius, consules"[362]. "Agnes comitissa" confirmed donations to the abbey of Saint-Sauveur for the soul of "comitis Godefridi mariti mei"[363], "Godefridi" presumably being a copyist's error for "Hermanni". A charter dated to [1155] or [1160] records the foundation of the abbey of Haute-Seille by “comitissam Agnetem de Languestein cum filiis suis Henrico et Heremanno consulibus, Conrardum...comitem cum uxore sua Havyde et filio Hugone”[364]."
Med Lands cites:
Hermann II (?) Graf von Salm, Vogt von Senones died on 20 February 1136; Genealogics says d. ca 1138.1,3,7
; Per Genealogy.EU: "A1. Gf Hermann I von Salm, *ca 1075, +20.2.1136; m.ca 1104 Agnes de Bar and Montbeliard (+after 1147.)12"
; Per Racines et Histoire:
(Bar) - "Agnès de Mousson ° ~1095 + après 1140 (1147 ?)
ép. 1104 Hermann II, graf von (zu) Salm ° 1075 + 20/02/1135/36 (fils d’Hermann, graf von Salm, roi de Germanie, et d’Agnès von Rheineck)"
(Luxembourg) - "Herman 1 er von Salm ° ~1075 + 20/02/1136 comte de Salm (1156)
ép. ~1104 Agnès de Bar et de Montbéliard + après 1147."9,6
ép. 1104 Hermann II, graf von (zu) Salm ° 1075 + 20/02/1135/36 (fils d’Hermann, graf von Salm, roi de Germanie, et d’Agnès von Rheineck)"
(Luxembourg) - "Herman 1 er von Salm ° ~1075 + 20/02/1136 comte de Salm (1156)
ép. ~1104 Agnès de Bar et de Montbéliard + après 1147."9,6
Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. Genealogisches Handbuch des Adels Fürstliche Häuser , Reference: 1955 108.
2. Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: III 134.
3. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: IV 92.7
2. Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: III 134.
3. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: IV 92.7
; Per Med Lands:
"HERMANN [II] von Salm ([1070/75]-[1135]). As noted in FRANCONIA NOBILITY, there is a possibility that this was the same person as Hermann, son of Hermann Graf von Gleiberg who is named in a charter dated 1095. Graf von Salm. “Heinricus comes Coenradi piæ memoriæ comitis filius” swore to defend the church of Echternach by charter dated 1095, subscribed by “Heinricus palatinus, Herimannus Herimanni comitis filius et frater eius Theodericus…”[353]. "...Herimanno Salmucensi comite et fratre eius Ottone…" subscribed a charter dated 3 Oct 1104 which confirmed the donation to Stablo made by "Rigoldus de Alfunza"[354]. “Hermannus comes de Salmis...” subscribed the charter dated to [1123] under which “Wilhelmus comes de Lucemburgh...et filius meus Conradus” confirmed donations, made in 1183 by “patrem meum Conradum comitem...annuente matre mea Clementia et fratribus meis”, to the abbey of Luxembourg[355]. Lothar King of Germany confirmed property of Duisburg by charter dated 8 May 1129 witnessed by "…Comites: Gerhardus Longus de Gelere, Arnoldus de Cliue, Hermannus de Caluerlage, Hermannus de Salmene, Otto de Rinecke, Florentius de Hollande, Gerhardus de Hostad, Bernhardus de Hildenesheim, Godefridus et Hermannus de Cuch, Adolfus de Berge…"[356]. “Comitis Hermani et filii eius Hermani...” subscribed the charter dated 1130 which records the donation to Senones made by “domina...Leucardis de Basimont”, the occupation of the property after her death by “dominus Gerardus de Parreia”, and the subsequent settlement[357]. Emperor Lothar donated property to Epternach by charter dated 24 Apr 1131 witnessed by "…Otto comes de Rinecke fraterque suus Hermannus comes de Salmis…"[358].
"m ([1104]) AGNES de Mousson, daughter of THIERRY Comte de Mousson & his wife Ermentrude de Bourgogne [Comté] (-after 1140). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines refers to the sister of "Theodoricum de Monte Beliardi, Fredericum de Ferretes…et Renaldum Strabum comitem de Barro Ducis" as the wife of "Hermanno de Salmis", and names their sons "Henricum de Salmis et fratrem eius Theodericum abbatem sancti Pauli Virdunensis"[359]. A charter dated 1147 confirms the agreement between "comitissa Agnes et heredes de Languesten" and "Bencelinus de Turquesten cum filio suo Conone" and others relating to the abbey of Haute-Seille, with the consent of "comitissam Agnetem de Languesten cum filiis suis Henrico et Hermanno consulibus, Conrardum…comitem cum uxore sua Havyde et filio Hugone"[360]. “Conrardum”, his wife and son, have not been identified. She is named in the charter dated 1174 under which "Henricus comes de Salmis" confirmed donations to the abbey of Haute-Seille by "patrui mei comitis Hermani aviæque meæ Agnetis"[361]. A further detail is added by the charter dated 1186 under which "Henricus comes de Salmis" confirmed donations to the abbey of Haute-Seille by "Agnetem comitissam de Langesten aviam meam, Henricum patrem meum et Hermanum fratrem eius, consules"[362]. "Agnes comitissa" confirmed donations to the abbey of Saint-Sauveur for the soul of "comitis Godefridi mariti mei"[363], "Godefridi" presumably being a copyist's error for "Hermanni". A charter dated to [1155] or [1160] records the foundation of the abbey of Haute-Seille by “comitissam Agnetem de Languestein cum filiis suis Henrico et Heremanno consulibus, Conrardum...comitem cum uxore sua Havyde et filio Hugone”[364]."
Med Lands cites:
[353] Veterum Scriptorum II, col. 78.
[354] Simon, J. (1865) Die Geschichte des reichständischen Hauses Ysenburg und Büdingen, Band III Das Ysenburg und Büdingensche Urkundenbuch (Frankfurt) ("Isenburg Urkundenbuch"), III, p. 4.
[355] Calmet (1728), Tome II, Preuves, col. cclxx.
[356] Niederrheins Urkundenbuch, Band I, 305, p. 200.
[357] Calmet (1728), Tome II, Preuves, col. cclxxxix.
[358] Hontheim, J. N. von (1750) Historia Trevirensis Diplomatica et Pragmatica, Tome I ("Trier Diplomatica (Hontheim)"), CCCXLIII, p. 516.
[359] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1158, MGH SS XXIII, p. 844.
[360] Viellard, L. (1884) Documents et mémoire pour server à l´histoire du territoire de Belfort (Besançon), 198, p. 250.
[361] Erpelding, D. (ed.) (1979) Actes des Princes Lorrains, 1ère série: Princes Laïques, II. Les Comtes, B. Actes des Comtes de Salm (préédition, Nancy) (“Salm”), 4, p. 12.
[362] Salm 7, p. 18.
[363] Salm 1, p. 7, headed "suspect" in the compilation.
[364] Calmet, A. (1757) Histoire de Lorraine (Nancy), Tome V, Preuves, col. ccclv.4
[354] Simon, J. (1865) Die Geschichte des reichständischen Hauses Ysenburg und Büdingen, Band III Das Ysenburg und Büdingensche Urkundenbuch (Frankfurt) ("Isenburg Urkundenbuch"), III, p. 4.
[355] Calmet (1728), Tome II, Preuves, col. cclxx.
[356] Niederrheins Urkundenbuch, Band I, 305, p. 200.
[357] Calmet (1728), Tome II, Preuves, col. cclxxxix.
[358] Hontheim, J. N. von (1750) Historia Trevirensis Diplomatica et Pragmatica, Tome I ("Trier Diplomatica (Hontheim)"), CCCXLIII, p. 516.
[359] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1158, MGH SS XXIII, p. 844.
[360] Viellard, L. (1884) Documents et mémoire pour server à l´histoire du territoire de Belfort (Besançon), 198, p. 250.
[361] Erpelding, D. (ed.) (1979) Actes des Princes Lorrains, 1ère série: Princes Laïques, II. Les Comtes, B. Actes des Comtes de Salm (préédition, Nancy) (“Salm”), 4, p. 12.
[362] Salm 7, p. 18.
[363] Salm 1, p. 7, headed "suspect" in the compilation.
[364] Calmet, A. (1757) Histoire de Lorraine (Nancy), Tome V, Preuves, col. ccclv.4
Family | Agnes (?) de Bar and Montbeliard b. 1095, d. a 1147 |
Child |
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Citations
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 4 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg4.html
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hermann I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00104731&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bar.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LUXEMBOURG.htm#_Toc533606715. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hermann: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00104729&tree=LEO
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Maison de Luxembourg, p. 4: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Luxembourg.pdf
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hermann I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00104731&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Sophie: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00104730&tree=LEO
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Bar, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bar.pdf
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Agnes von Bar: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174519&tree=LEO
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BAR.htm#AgnesMHermannSalm
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Luxemburg 4: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg4.html
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Heinrich I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00107754&tree=LEO
Machtild (?) von Bar-Mömpelgard1,2,3
F, #57364
Father | Dietrich/Thierry II (?) Comte de Ba-le-Duc, Count in Altkirch und Pfirt, Comte de Montbeliard & Bar-le-Duc1,2,4,3 b. c 1045, d. 2 Jan 1105 |
Mother | Ermentrude (?) de Bourgogne, heiress of Mömpelgard1,5,2,3 b. bt 1050 - 1055, d. a 8 Mar 1105 |
Last Edited | 31 Oct 2020 |
Machtild (?) von Bar-Mömpelgard married Albrecht (?) Graf von Mörsberg, Kyrburg & Wintherthur, son of Adalbert von Burgelm Herr von Burgelm and NN von Nellenburg, in 1104.1,2,3,6,7
Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: IV 118.8 Machtild (?) von Bar-Mömpelgard was also known as Mechtild (?) von Mörsperg.9 Machtild (?) von Bar-Mömpelgard was also known as Mathilde de Mousson.6
; Per Med Lands:
"ADALBERT, son of --- & his wife --- [im Zürichgau] (-before 30 Aug 1125). Vogt von Allerheiligen zu Schaffhausen and Pfaffen-Schwabenheim 1098/1124. "Eberhardus de Wata" donated property "in loco…Griezpach" to Schaffhausen St Salvator by charter dated to [1100], witnessed by "Adelbertus comes et advocatus…"[1871]. "Burchardus comes cum Adelberto comite advocato predicti monasterii et Theoderico fratre illius" confirmed possessions of Schaffhausen St Salvator by charter dated to [1100/05], confirmed by "Burchardo comiti cum nepotibus suis…"[1872]. Graf von Mörsberg [1105]. Graf von Dill 1107. "Trudewinus de Grizpach" donated property to Schaffhausen St Salvator by charter dated 6 May 1111, witnessed by "Adelbertus comes de Morisberk, advocatus predicti monasterii…"[1873]. Suger absolved "Albertus nobilis comes Morspecensis" of the excommunication pronounced against him for taking domains of the abbey of Saint-Denis by charter dated [1125], which also records his marriage to "filiam Theoderici viri clarissimi de Monte Beliardo" who brought her husband various possessions of Saint-Denis "Blitestorp, Tatingum, Sulces, Fardulviler, Fehingas, Viler, Hoenchirche, Torneswile, Pretene" as dowry[1874].
"m MATHILDE de Mousson, daughter of THIERRY de Mousson [Bar] & his wife Ermentrude de Bourgogne [Comté]. Suger records the marriage of "Albertus nobilis comes Morspecensis" and "filiam Theoderici viri clarissimi de Monte Beliardo" who brought her husband various possessions of Saint-Denis "Blitestorp, Tatingum, Sulces, Fardulviler, Fehingas, Viler, Hoenchirche, Torneswile, Pretene" as dowry[1875]."
Med Lands cites:
Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: IV 118.8 Machtild (?) von Bar-Mömpelgard was also known as Mechtild (?) von Mörsperg.9 Machtild (?) von Bar-Mömpelgard was also known as Mathilde de Mousson.6
; Per Med Lands:
"ADALBERT, son of --- & his wife --- [im Zürichgau] (-before 30 Aug 1125). Vogt von Allerheiligen zu Schaffhausen and Pfaffen-Schwabenheim 1098/1124. "Eberhardus de Wata" donated property "in loco…Griezpach" to Schaffhausen St Salvator by charter dated to [1100], witnessed by "Adelbertus comes et advocatus…"[1871]. "Burchardus comes cum Adelberto comite advocato predicti monasterii et Theoderico fratre illius" confirmed possessions of Schaffhausen St Salvator by charter dated to [1100/05], confirmed by "Burchardo comiti cum nepotibus suis…"[1872]. Graf von Mörsberg [1105]. Graf von Dill 1107. "Trudewinus de Grizpach" donated property to Schaffhausen St Salvator by charter dated 6 May 1111, witnessed by "Adelbertus comes de Morisberk, advocatus predicti monasterii…"[1873]. Suger absolved "Albertus nobilis comes Morspecensis" of the excommunication pronounced against him for taking domains of the abbey of Saint-Denis by charter dated [1125], which also records his marriage to "filiam Theoderici viri clarissimi de Monte Beliardo" who brought her husband various possessions of Saint-Denis "Blitestorp, Tatingum, Sulces, Fardulviler, Fehingas, Viler, Hoenchirche, Torneswile, Pretene" as dowry[1874].
"m MATHILDE de Mousson, daughter of THIERRY de Mousson [Bar] & his wife Ermentrude de Bourgogne [Comté]. Suger records the marriage of "Albertus nobilis comes Morspecensis" and "filiam Theoderici viri clarissimi de Monte Beliardo" who brought her husband various possessions of Saint-Denis "Blitestorp, Tatingum, Sulces, Fardulviler, Fehingas, Viler, Hoenchirche, Torneswile, Pretene" as dowry[1875]."
Med Lands cites:
[1871] Schaffhausen, Rheinau und Muri: Schaffausen Allerheiligen, 31, p. 55.
[1872] Schaffhausen, Rheinau und Muri: Schaffausen Allerheiligen, 33, p. 57.
[1873] Schaffhausen, Rheinau und Muri: Schaffausen Allerheiligen, 47, p. 76.
[1874] Lecoy de la Marche, A. (ed.) (1867) Œuvres complètes de Suger (Paris) ("Suger"), Chartes de Suger II, p. 323.
[1875] Suger Chartes de Suger II, p. 323.6
[1872] Schaffhausen, Rheinau und Muri: Schaffausen Allerheiligen, 33, p. 57.
[1873] Schaffhausen, Rheinau und Muri: Schaffausen Allerheiligen, 47, p. 76.
[1874] Lecoy de la Marche, A. (ed.) (1867) Œuvres complètes de Suger (Paris) ("Suger"), Chartes de Suger II, p. 323.
[1875] Suger Chartes de Suger II, p. 323.6
Family | Albrecht (?) Graf von Mörsberg, Kyrburg & Wintherthur b. c 1060, d. bt 1124 - 1125 |
Children |
Citations
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Bar 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/bar/bar1.html
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, (Mechtild) von Bar-Mömpelgard: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00208090&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bar.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Thierry I (Dietrich): http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026664&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ermentrude de Bourgogne: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026534&tree=LEO
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/WURTTEMBERG.htm#DietrichNellenburgdied1108B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adalbert: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00021704&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, (Mechtild) von Bar-Mömpelgard: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00208090&tree=LEO
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/PALATINATE.htm#MeginhardSponheimdied1136
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/WURTTEMBERG.htm#MathildeMMeginhardSponheim
Albrecht (?) Graf von Mörsberg, Kyrburg & Wintherthur1,2,3
M, #57365, b. circa 1060, d. between 1124 and 1125
Father | Adalbert von Burgelm Herr von Burgelm4 |
Mother | NN von Nellenburg5,3 |
Last Edited | 8 Dec 2020 |
Albrecht (?) Graf von Mörsberg, Kyrburg & Wintherthur was born circa 1060.3 He married Machtild (?) von Bar-Mömpelgard, daughter of Dietrich/Thierry II (?) Comte de Ba-le-Duc, Count in Altkirch und Pfirt, Comte de Montbeliard & Bar-le-Duc and Ermentrude (?) de Bourgogne, heiress of Mömpelgard, in 1104.1,6,2,7,3
Albrecht (?) Graf von Mörsberg, Kyrburg & Wintherthur died between 1124 and 1125 at Zurichgau, Germany (now); Med Lands says d. bef 30 Aug 1125.1,2,7,3
He was Per Genealogics: Advocate of the Heiligau monastery.3
Reference: Genealogics cites:
; Per Med Lands:
"ADALBERT, son of --- & his wife --- [im Zürichgau] (-before 30 Aug 1125). Vogt von Allerheiligen zu Schaffhausen and Pfaffen-Schwabenheim 1098/1124. "Eberhardus de Wata" donated property "in loco…Griezpach" to Schaffhausen St Salvator by charter dated to [1100], witnessed by "Adelbertus comes et advocatus…"[1871]. "Burchardus comes cum Adelberto comite advocato predicti monasterii et Theoderico fratre illius" confirmed possessions of Schaffhausen St Salvator by charter dated to [1100/05], confirmed by "Burchardo comiti cum nepotibus suis…"[1872]. Graf von Mörsberg [1105]. Graf von Dill 1107. "Trudewinus de Grizpach" donated property to Schaffhausen St Salvator by charter dated 6 May 1111, witnessed by "Adelbertus comes de Morisberk, advocatus predicti monasterii…"[1873]. Suger absolved "Albertus nobilis comes Morspecensis" of the excommunication pronounced against him for taking domains of the abbey of Saint-Denis by charter dated [1125], which also records his marriage to "filiam Theoderici viri clarissimi de Monte Beliardo" who brought her husband various possessions of Saint-Denis "Blitestorp, Tatingum, Sulces, Fardulviler, Fehingas, Viler, Hoenchirche, Torneswile, Pretene" as dowry[1874].
"m MATHILDE de Mousson, daughter of THIERRY de Mousson [Bar] & his wife Ermentrude de Bourgogne [Comté]. Suger records the marriage of "Albertus nobilis comes Morspecensis" and "filiam Theoderici viri clarissimi de Monte Beliardo" who brought her husband various possessions of Saint-Denis "Blitestorp, Tatingum, Sulces, Fardulviler, Fehingas, Viler, Hoenchirche, Torneswile, Pretene" as dowry[1875]."
Med Lands cites:
Albrecht (?) Graf von Mörsberg, Kyrburg & Wintherthur died between 1124 and 1125 at Zurichgau, Germany (now); Med Lands says d. bef 30 Aug 1125.1,2,7,3
He was Per Genealogics: Advocate of the Heiligau monastery.3
Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. Europäische Stammtafeln, Band IV, Frank Baron Freytag von Loringhoven, 1975, Isenburg, W. K. Prinz von. Page 2.
2. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 12:85.3
Albrecht (?) Graf von Mörsberg, Kyrburg & Wintherthur was also known as Adalbert (?) Graf von Mörsberg.7,3 2. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 12:85.3
; Per Med Lands:
"ADALBERT, son of --- & his wife --- [im Zürichgau] (-before 30 Aug 1125). Vogt von Allerheiligen zu Schaffhausen and Pfaffen-Schwabenheim 1098/1124. "Eberhardus de Wata" donated property "in loco…Griezpach" to Schaffhausen St Salvator by charter dated to [1100], witnessed by "Adelbertus comes et advocatus…"[1871]. "Burchardus comes cum Adelberto comite advocato predicti monasterii et Theoderico fratre illius" confirmed possessions of Schaffhausen St Salvator by charter dated to [1100/05], confirmed by "Burchardo comiti cum nepotibus suis…"[1872]. Graf von Mörsberg [1105]. Graf von Dill 1107. "Trudewinus de Grizpach" donated property to Schaffhausen St Salvator by charter dated 6 May 1111, witnessed by "Adelbertus comes de Morisberk, advocatus predicti monasterii…"[1873]. Suger absolved "Albertus nobilis comes Morspecensis" of the excommunication pronounced against him for taking domains of the abbey of Saint-Denis by charter dated [1125], which also records his marriage to "filiam Theoderici viri clarissimi de Monte Beliardo" who brought her husband various possessions of Saint-Denis "Blitestorp, Tatingum, Sulces, Fardulviler, Fehingas, Viler, Hoenchirche, Torneswile, Pretene" as dowry[1874].
"m MATHILDE de Mousson, daughter of THIERRY de Mousson [Bar] & his wife Ermentrude de Bourgogne [Comté]. Suger records the marriage of "Albertus nobilis comes Morspecensis" and "filiam Theoderici viri clarissimi de Monte Beliardo" who brought her husband various possessions of Saint-Denis "Blitestorp, Tatingum, Sulces, Fardulviler, Fehingas, Viler, Hoenchirche, Torneswile, Pretene" as dowry[1875]."
Med Lands cites:
[1871] Schaffhausen, Rheinau und Muri: Schaffausen Allerheiligen, 31, p. 55.
[1872] Schaffhausen, Rheinau und Muri: Schaffausen Allerheiligen, 33, p. 57.
[1873] Schaffhausen, Rheinau und Muri: Schaffausen Allerheiligen, 47, p. 76.
[1874] Lecoy de la Marche, A. (ed.) (1867) Œuvres complètes de Suger (Paris) ("Suger"), Chartes de Suger II, p. 323.
[1875] Suger Chartes de Suger II, p. 323.7
He was Graf von Mörsberg between 1105 and 1125.7[1872] Schaffhausen, Rheinau und Muri: Schaffausen Allerheiligen, 33, p. 57.
[1873] Schaffhausen, Rheinau und Muri: Schaffausen Allerheiligen, 47, p. 76.
[1874] Lecoy de la Marche, A. (ed.) (1867) Œuvres complètes de Suger (Paris) ("Suger"), Chartes de Suger II, p. 323.
[1875] Suger Chartes de Suger II, p. 323.7
Citations
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Bar 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/bar/bar1.html
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bar.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adalbert: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00021704&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adalbert: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00280731&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, NN von Nellenberg: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00280732&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, (Mechtild) von Bar-Mömpelgard: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00208090&tree=LEO
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/WURTTEMBERG.htm#DietrichNellenburgdied1108B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/WURTTEMBERG.htm#MathildeMMeginhardSponheim
Marie de Coligny Dame de Varey1
F, #57366
Father | Hugues I (?) Sire de Coligny-le-Neuf1,2 b. bt 1170 - 1180, d. 2 Sep 1205 |
Mother | Béatrice d'Albon Cts d'Albon, Dauphine de Viennois1,3 b. c 1161, d. 15 Dec 1228 |
Last Edited | 21 Apr 2004 |
Marie de Coligny Dame de Varey married Raoul (?) Comte de Geneve, son of Guillaume II (?) Count of Geneva and Alix de La Tour du Pin, in 1241.1,4
; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XI 158; XIV 60.1 Marie de Coligny Dame de Varey was living in 1234.1
; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: XI 158; XIV 60.1 Marie de Coligny Dame de Varey was living in 1234.1
Family | Raoul (?) Comte de Geneve d. 29 May 1265 |
Children |
|
Citations
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Marie de Coligny: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026519&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugues I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00033490&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Béatrix d'Albon: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027086&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Raoul: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026518&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Marguerite de Genève: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00030573&tree=LEO
Ursula de Ferrette Frau von Belfort, comtesse de Ferrette1,2
F, #57367, d. circa 1367
Father | Ulrich III (?) Graf von Pfirt1 d. 1324 |
Mother | Jeanne (?) von Mompelgard, Dame d’Héricourt, Belfort et Châtelot1,3 d. bt 26 Aug 1347 - 11 Sep 1349 |
Last Edited | 15 May 2009 |
Ursula de Ferrette Frau von Belfort, comtesse de Ferrette married Wilhelm (?) graf von Montfort
; her 2nd husband.1,2 Ursula de Ferrette Frau von Belfort, comtesse de Ferrette married Hugo (?) Graf von Hohenberg, son of Rudolf I (?) Graf von Hohenberg, Herr von Triberg and Agnes (?) von Werdenberg, in 1333
; her 1st husband.1,2
Ursula de Ferrette Frau von Belfort, comtesse de Ferrette died circa 1367.1,4,2
; Ursula, Frau von Belfort, etc., +after/before 1367; 1m: Ct Hugo von Hohenberg (+1354); 2m: Ct Wilhelm von Montfort (+1373.)1 Ursula de Ferrette Frau von Belfort, comtesse de Ferrette was also known as Ursula von Pfirt.4
; her 2nd husband.1,2 Ursula de Ferrette Frau von Belfort, comtesse de Ferrette married Hugo (?) Graf von Hohenberg, son of Rudolf I (?) Graf von Hohenberg, Herr von Triberg and Agnes (?) von Werdenberg, in 1333
; her 1st husband.1,2
Ursula de Ferrette Frau von Belfort, comtesse de Ferrette died circa 1367.1,4,2
; Ursula, Frau von Belfort, etc., +after/before 1367; 1m: Ct Hugo von Hohenberg (+1354); 2m: Ct Wilhelm von Montfort (+1373.)1 Ursula de Ferrette Frau von Belfort, comtesse de Ferrette was also known as Ursula von Pfirt.4
Family 1 | Wilhelm (?) graf von Montfort d. 1373 |
Family 2 | Hugo (?) Graf von Hohenberg d. 1354 |
Citations
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Bar 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/bar/bar1.html
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bar.pdf, p. 14. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Jeanne von Mömpelgard: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00060864&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Hohenzollern 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/hohz/hohenz1.html
Hugo (?) Graf von Hohenberg1
M, #57368, d. 1354
Father | Rudolf I (?) Graf von Hohenberg, Herr von Triberg2 d. 1336 |
Mother | Agnes (?) von Werdenberg2 d. Jun 1317 |
Last Edited | 15 May 2009 |
Hugo (?) Graf von Hohenberg married Ursula de Ferrette Frau von Belfort, comtesse de Ferrette, daughter of Ulrich III (?) Graf von Pfirt and Jeanne (?) von Mompelgard, Dame d’Héricourt, Belfort et Châtelot, in 1333
; her 1st husband.1,3
Hugo (?) Graf von Hohenberg died in 1354.1,2,3
; her 1st husband.1,3
Hugo (?) Graf von Hohenberg died in 1354.1,2,3
Family | Ursula de Ferrette Frau von Belfort, comtesse de Ferrette d. c 1367 |
Citations
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Bar 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/bar/bar1.html
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Hohenzollern 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/hohz/hohenz1.html
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bar.pdf, p. 14. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
Wilhelm (?) graf von Montfort1,2
M, #57369, d. 1373
Last Edited | 15 May 2009 |
Wilhelm (?) graf von Montfort married Ursula de Ferrette Frau von Belfort, comtesse de Ferrette, daughter of Ulrich III (?) Graf von Pfirt and Jeanne (?) von Mompelgard, Dame d’Héricourt, Belfort et Châtelot,
; her 2nd husband.1,2
Wilhelm (?) graf von Montfort died in 1373.1,2
; her 2nd husband.1,2
Wilhelm (?) graf von Montfort died in 1373.1,2
Family | Ursula de Ferrette Frau von Belfort, comtesse de Ferrette d. c 1367 |
Citations
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Bar 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/bar/bar1.html
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bar.pdf, p. 14. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
Thiebald (?) Graf von Pfirt1
M, #57370, d. before 24 August 1316
Father | Ulrich II «Le Vaillant», (?) Graf von Pfirt1,2,3 d. 1 Mar 1275 |
Mother | Agnès de Vergy Dame de Morey1,4,2,3 b. 1210, d. 1271 |
Last Edited | 18 Oct 2019 |
Thiebald (?) Graf von Pfirt married Katharina (?) von Klingen before October 1273.1,2,3
Thiebald (?) Graf von Pfirt married Marguerite de Blamont, daughter of Heinrich I (?) Seigneur de Blâmont and Kunigunde von Leiningen Heiress of Gosney, Foulcrey & Bigny, between 1304 and 1305
;
Her 2nd husband; his 2nd wife.5,3
Thiebald (?) Graf von Pfirt died before 24 August 1316.3
Reference: Genealogics cites:
Thiebald (?) Graf von Pfirt married Marguerite de Blamont, daughter of Heinrich I (?) Seigneur de Blâmont and Kunigunde von Leiningen Heiress of Gosney, Foulcrey & Bigny, between 1304 and 1305
;
Her 2nd husband; his 2nd wife.5,3
Thiebald (?) Graf von Pfirt died before 24 August 1316.3
Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 6:146
2. Genealogisches Handbuch des Adels, Fürstliche Häuser. 1961
3. Les Ancêtres d'Albert Schweitzer, Strasbourg. 64.3
Thiebald (?) Graf von Pfirt was also known as Thibaud (?) comte de Ferrette (Pfirt).2 He was living in 1309.12. Genealogisches Handbuch des Adels, Fürstliche Häuser. 1961
3. Les Ancêtres d'Albert Schweitzer, Strasbourg. 64.3
Family 1 | Katharina (?) von Klingen |
Children |
|
Family 2 | Marguerite de Blamont |
Citations
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Bar 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/bar/bar1.html
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bar.pdf, p. 14. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Thiebald I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026690&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Agnès de Vergy: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026685&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Marguerite de Blamont: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00039829&tree=LEO
Katharina (?) von Klingen1
F, #57371
Last Edited | 18 Oct 2019 |
Katharina (?) von Klingen married Thiebald (?) Graf von Pfirt, son of Ulrich II «Le Vaillant», (?) Graf von Pfirt and Agnès de Vergy Dame de Morey, before October 1273.1,2,3
Family | Thiebald (?) Graf von Pfirt d. b 24 Aug 1316 |
Children |
|
Citations
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Bar 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/bar/bar1.html
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bar.pdf, p. 14. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Thiebald I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026690&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
Ulrich II «Le Vaillant», (?) Graf von Pfirt1,2
M, #57372, d. 1 March 1275
Father | Friedrich II (?) Graf von Pfirt1,3 d. 1234 |
Mother | Heilwig/Hilwidis (?) von Urach1 b. b 1215, d. a 1262 |
Last Edited | 18 Oct 2019 |
Ulrich II «Le Vaillant», (?) Graf von Pfirt married Elisabeth de Châlons, daughter of Jean I "le Sage" or "l'Antique" (?) Ct Palatine de Bourgogne, Ct de Châlons et d'Auxonne, sn de Salins and Mahaut (?) de Bourgogne,
; her 2nd husband.4,5 Ulrich II «Le Vaillant», (?) Graf von Pfirt and Elisabeth de Châlons were divorced.5 Ulrich II «Le Vaillant», (?) Graf von Pfirt married Agnès de Vergy Dame de Morey, daughter of Guillaume I de Vergy Sire de Mirebeau et d'Autrey, sénéchal de Bourgogne and Clémence (?) Dame de Fouvent et de Fontaine-Francaise, in 1241
; her 2nd husband.1,6,5,2
Ulrich II «Le Vaillant», (?) Graf von Pfirt died on 1 March 1275.1,4,2
Ulrich II «Le Vaillant», (?) Graf von Pfirt was also known as Ulrich II de Ferrette comte de Ferrette (Pfirt).5
; her 2nd husband.4,5 Ulrich II «Le Vaillant», (?) Graf von Pfirt and Elisabeth de Châlons were divorced.5 Ulrich II «Le Vaillant», (?) Graf von Pfirt married Agnès de Vergy Dame de Morey, daughter of Guillaume I de Vergy Sire de Mirebeau et d'Autrey, sénéchal de Bourgogne and Clémence (?) Dame de Fouvent et de Fontaine-Francaise, in 1241
; her 2nd husband.1,6,5,2
Ulrich II «Le Vaillant», (?) Graf von Pfirt died on 1 March 1275.1,4,2
Ulrich II «Le Vaillant», (?) Graf von Pfirt was also known as Ulrich II de Ferrette comte de Ferrette (Pfirt).5
Family 1 | Elisabeth de Châlons b. c 1210, d. 31 Mar 1277 |
Family 2 | |
Child |
Family 3 | Agnès de Vergy Dame de Morey b. 1210, d. 1271 |
Child |
|
Citations
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Bar 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/bar/bar1.html
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Donzy.pdf, p. 7. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Friedrich II: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026678&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Ivrea 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/ivrea/ivrea2.html
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bar.pdf, p. 14.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Clémence: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00118622&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Thiebald I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026690&tree=LEO
Agnès de Vergy Dame de Morey1,2,3
F, #57373, b. 1210, d. 1271
Father | Guillaume I de Vergy Sire de Mirebeau et d'Autrey, sénéchal de Bourgogne4,2 b. c 1180, d. 18 Jan 1240 |
Mother | Clémence (?) Dame de Fouvent et de Fontaine-Francaise5,6,3 d. a 1260 |
Last Edited | 18 Oct 2019 |
Agnès de Vergy Dame de Morey married Pierre I (?) Sire de Bauffremont
; her 1st husband.7,6,3 Agnès de Vergy Dame de Morey was born in 1210.3 She married Ulrich II «Le Vaillant», (?) Graf von Pfirt, son of Friedrich II (?) Graf von Pfirt and Heilwig/Hilwidis (?) von Urach, in 1241
; her 2nd husband.1,5,8,3
Agnès de Vergy Dame de Morey died in 1271.3
; Leo van de Pas cites: 1. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III/3 436
2. Les Ancetres d'Albert Schweitzer, Strasbourg. , Reference: 65.6
; her 1st husband.7,6,3 Agnès de Vergy Dame de Morey was born in 1210.3 She married Ulrich II «Le Vaillant», (?) Graf von Pfirt, son of Friedrich II (?) Graf von Pfirt and Heilwig/Hilwidis (?) von Urach, in 1241
; her 2nd husband.1,5,8,3
Agnès de Vergy Dame de Morey died in 1271.3
; Leo van de Pas cites: 1. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III/3 436
2. Les Ancetres d'Albert Schweitzer, Strasbourg. , Reference: 65.6
Family 1 | Pierre I (?) Sire de Bauffremont d. c 1240 |
Family 2 | Ulrich II «Le Vaillant», (?) Graf von Pfirt d. 1 Mar 1275 |
Child |
|
Citations
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Bar 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/bar/bar1.html
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Agnès de Vergy
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026685&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website. - [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Donzy.pdf, p. 7. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Guillaume I de Vergy: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00118621&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Clémence: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00118622&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Agnès de Vergy: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026685&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Pierre I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00046913&tree=LEO
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bar.pdf, p. 14.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Thiebald I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026690&tree=LEO
Friedrich II (?) Graf von Pfirt1
M, #57374, d. 1234
Father | Ludwig II (?) Graf von Pfirt1,2,3 d. b 1188 |
Mother | Agnès de Soyhières4 |
Last Edited | 5 Mar 2020 |
Friedrich II (?) Graf von Pfirt married (?) von Egisheim
;
His 1st wife.5,6 Friedrich II (?) Graf von Pfirt married Heilwig/Hilwidis (?) von Urach, daughter of Egon/Egino IV 'der Bärtige/the Bearded' (?) Graf von Urach and Agnes von Zähringen, before 1215
;
His 2nd wife.1,7,8,9,10,6
Friedrich II (?) Graf von Pfirt died in 1234;
murdered. Genealogics says d. 1234, Med Lands says d. 1232-25 Jan 1233.1,3,6
Friedrich II (?) Graf von Pfirt died in 1234; murdered.9
Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.), Reference: VI 146.5
; Per Med Lands:
"FREDERIC [II] de Ferrette, son of --- (-murdered [1232/25 Jan 1233]). No primary source has been identified which confirms the parentage of Comte Frédéric [II]. He could have been the son of Comte Ulric or a grandson of Comte Louis [I] by another unknown son of Louis. He succeeded as Comte de Ferrette. "...Riccardus comes Montisbelgardensis, comes Fridericus de Ferreto, comes Sibertus de Vuerda..." subcribed the charter dated 1 Jun 1207 under which Philipp King of Germany confirmed his imperial fiefs to “consanguineus noster Thomas comes Sabaudiæ”[370]. "Fridericus comes de Phirreto" donated property to Lieucroissant abbey by charter dated 1210[371]. "Fridericus comes Ferretarum" authorised the abbey of Lucelle by charter dated 1215 which names "abbas Bercholdus eiusdem ecclesie, frater uxoris meæ Hilvidis"[372]. The Annales Colmarienses record that "Fridericus comes Phirretarum" was killed by "filio suo dicto Grimmel" in 1234[373]. This date can be adjusted backwards by the charter dated 25 Jan 1233 under which his son "Uolricus comes Phirretensis" confirmed the donation to the church of Basel, made by "mater mea Helvvigis comitissa Phirretensis et Berhtoldus frater meus, Basiliensis ecclesie canonicus" with the consent of "pater meus felicis recordationis Fridericus comes Phirretensis" at the court of "consanguineo meo Alberto comite de Habespurg lantgravio Alsatie"[374].
"m firstly [--- von Egisheim], daughter of ---. She founded the abbey of Valdieu[375].
"m secondly (before 1215) HEILWIG [Stephanie] von Urach, daughter of EGINO [IV] "dem Bärtigen" Graf von Urach & his wife Agnes von Zähringen. Her parentage and marriage are indicated by the charter dated 1215 under which her husband "Fridericus comes Ferretarum" authorised the abbey of Lucelle which names "abbas Bercholdus eiusdem ecclesie, frater uxoris meæ Hilvidis"[376]. “Stephana comitissa Phirrecensis” donated property to the church of Basel to found anniversaries for herself and “comitis Friderici viri mei”, with the consent of “filio meo Lodoico”, by charter dated to [1232][377]. As can be seen below, the name Stephanie was introduced into the family of the comtes de Ferrette after this marriage. "Uolricus comes Phirretensis" confirmed the donation to the church of Basel, made by "mater mea Helvvigis comitissa Phirretensis et Berhtoldus frater meus, Basiliensis ecclesie canonicus" with the consent of "pater meus felicis recordationis Fridericus comes Phirretensis" at the court of "consanguineo meo Alberto comite de Habespurg lantgravio Alsatie", by charter dated 25 Jan 1233[378]. 1262."
Med Lands cites:
;
His 1st wife.5,6 Friedrich II (?) Graf von Pfirt married Heilwig/Hilwidis (?) von Urach, daughter of Egon/Egino IV 'der Bärtige/the Bearded' (?) Graf von Urach and Agnes von Zähringen, before 1215
;
His 2nd wife.1,7,8,9,10,6
Friedrich II (?) Graf von Pfirt died in 1234;
murdered. Genealogics says d. 1234, Med Lands says d. 1232-25 Jan 1233.1,3,6
Friedrich II (?) Graf von Pfirt died in 1234; murdered.9
Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.), Reference: VI 146.5
; Per Med Lands:
"FREDERIC [II] de Ferrette, son of --- (-murdered [1232/25 Jan 1233]). No primary source has been identified which confirms the parentage of Comte Frédéric [II]. He could have been the son of Comte Ulric or a grandson of Comte Louis [I] by another unknown son of Louis. He succeeded as Comte de Ferrette. "...Riccardus comes Montisbelgardensis, comes Fridericus de Ferreto, comes Sibertus de Vuerda..." subcribed the charter dated 1 Jun 1207 under which Philipp King of Germany confirmed his imperial fiefs to “consanguineus noster Thomas comes Sabaudiæ”[370]. "Fridericus comes de Phirreto" donated property to Lieucroissant abbey by charter dated 1210[371]. "Fridericus comes Ferretarum" authorised the abbey of Lucelle by charter dated 1215 which names "abbas Bercholdus eiusdem ecclesie, frater uxoris meæ Hilvidis"[372]. The Annales Colmarienses record that "Fridericus comes Phirretarum" was killed by "filio suo dicto Grimmel" in 1234[373]. This date can be adjusted backwards by the charter dated 25 Jan 1233 under which his son "Uolricus comes Phirretensis" confirmed the donation to the church of Basel, made by "mater mea Helvvigis comitissa Phirretensis et Berhtoldus frater meus, Basiliensis ecclesie canonicus" with the consent of "pater meus felicis recordationis Fridericus comes Phirretensis" at the court of "consanguineo meo Alberto comite de Habespurg lantgravio Alsatie"[374].
"m firstly [--- von Egisheim], daughter of ---. She founded the abbey of Valdieu[375].
"m secondly (before 1215) HEILWIG [Stephanie] von Urach, daughter of EGINO [IV] "dem Bärtigen" Graf von Urach & his wife Agnes von Zähringen. Her parentage and marriage are indicated by the charter dated 1215 under which her husband "Fridericus comes Ferretarum" authorised the abbey of Lucelle which names "abbas Bercholdus eiusdem ecclesie, frater uxoris meæ Hilvidis"[376]. “Stephana comitissa Phirrecensis” donated property to the church of Basel to found anniversaries for herself and “comitis Friderici viri mei”, with the consent of “filio meo Lodoico”, by charter dated to [1232][377]. As can be seen below, the name Stephanie was introduced into the family of the comtes de Ferrette after this marriage. "Uolricus comes Phirretensis" confirmed the donation to the church of Basel, made by "mater mea Helvvigis comitissa Phirretensis et Berhtoldus frater meus, Basiliensis ecclesie canonicus" with the consent of "pater meus felicis recordationis Fridericus comes Phirretensis" at the court of "consanguineo meo Alberto comite de Habespurg lantgravio Alsatie", by charter dated 25 Jan 1233[378]. 1262."
Med Lands cites:
[370] Guichenon, S. (1780) Histoire généalogique de la royale maison de Savoie (Turin) ("Guichenon (Savoie)"), Tome IV, Preuves, p. 48.
[371] Viellard (1884), 317, p. 373.
[372] Trouillat (1852), Tome I, 308, p. 467.
[373] Annales Colmarienses, Fontes rerum Germanicarum, Tome II, p. 2.
[374] Trouillat (1852), Tome I, 354, p. 527.
[375] ES I.2 226.
[376] Trouillat (1852), Tome I, 308, p. 467.
[377] Herrgott (1737), Vol. II, Pars 1, CCXCVI, p. 243.
[378] Trouillat (1852), Tome I, 354, p. 527.6
Friedrich II (?) Graf von Pfirt was also known as Frédéric II (?) comte de Ferrette (Pfirt).9,6[371] Viellard (1884), 317, p. 373.
[372] Trouillat (1852), Tome I, 308, p. 467.
[373] Annales Colmarienses, Fontes rerum Germanicarum, Tome II, p. 2.
[374] Trouillat (1852), Tome I, 354, p. 527.
[375] ES I.2 226.
[376] Trouillat (1852), Tome I, 308, p. 467.
[377] Herrgott (1737), Vol. II, Pars 1, CCXCVI, p. 243.
[378] Trouillat (1852), Tome I, 354, p. 527.6
Family 1 | (?) von Egisheim |
Children |
|
Family 2 | Heilwig/Hilwidis (?) von Urach b. b 1215, d. a 1262 |
Children |
|
Citations
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Bar 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/bar/bar1.html
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ludwig II: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026676&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Friedrich II: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026678&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Agnès de Soyhières: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00426934&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, NN von Egisheim: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00426935&tree=LEO
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ALSACE.htm#FriedrichIIPfirtdied1234B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Furstenberg 1 page (The House of Fürstenberg): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/furstbg/furstenbg1.html
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Heilwig von Urach: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026679&tree=LEO
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bar.pdf, p. 14. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BADEN.htm#HilwidisUrachMFredericIIFerrette
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Alix von Pfirt: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026683&tree=LEO
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ALSACE.htm#AlixFerretteMThierryIIIMontbeliard
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Heilwig von Pfirt: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026687&tree=LEO
Heilwig/Hilwidis (?) von Urach1,2,3
F, #57375, b. before 1215, d. after 1262
Father | Egon/Egino IV 'der Bärtige/the Bearded' (?) Graf von Urach2,4,3,5 b. c 1160, d. 20 Jan 1230 |
Mother | Agnes von Zähringen2,3,6 b. c 1160, d. 10 May 1239 |
Last Edited | 18 Jan 2020 |
Heilwig/Hilwidis (?) von Urach married Friedrich II (?) Graf von Pfirt, son of Ludwig II (?) Graf von Pfirt and Agnès de Soyhières, before 1215
;
His 2nd wife.1,2,3,7,8,9 Heilwig/Hilwidis (?) von Urach was born before 1215.1
Heilwig/Hilwidis (?) von Urach died after 1262.1
; Per Med Lands:
"HEILWIG [Stephanie] . Her parentage and marriage are indicated by the charter dated 1215 under which her husband "Fridericus comes Ferretarum" authorised the abbey of Lucelle which names "abbas Bercholdus eiusdem ecclesie, frater uxoris meæ Hilvidis"[650]. “Stephana comitissa Phirrecensis” donated property to the church of Basel to found anniversaries for herself and “comitis Friderici viri mei”, with the consent of “filio meo Lodoico”, by charter dated to [1232][651]. "Uolricus comes Phirretensis" confirmed the donation to the church of Basel, made by "mater mea Helvvigis comitissa Phirretensis et Berhtoldus frater meus, Basiliensis ecclesie canonicus" with the consent of "pater meus felicis recordationis Fridericus comes Phirretensis" at the court of "consanguineo meo Alberto comite de Habespurg lantgravio Alsatie", by charter dated 25 Jan 1233[652]. 1262.
"m as his second wife, FREDERIC [II] Comte de Ferrette, son of --- (-murdered [1232/28 Jan 1233]). "
Med Lands cites:
Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VI 146.10 Heilwig/Hilwidis (?) von Urach was also known as Heilwig (?) von Ulrach.7 She was living in 1215; mentioned.3 She was living between 1215 and 1262.7 She was living between 1215 and 1262.1
;
His 2nd wife.1,2,3,7,8,9 Heilwig/Hilwidis (?) von Urach was born before 1215.1
Heilwig/Hilwidis (?) von Urach died after 1262.1
; Per Med Lands:
"HEILWIG [Stephanie] . Her parentage and marriage are indicated by the charter dated 1215 under which her husband "Fridericus comes Ferretarum" authorised the abbey of Lucelle which names "abbas Bercholdus eiusdem ecclesie, frater uxoris meæ Hilvidis"[650]. “Stephana comitissa Phirrecensis” donated property to the church of Basel to found anniversaries for herself and “comitis Friderici viri mei”, with the consent of “filio meo Lodoico”, by charter dated to [1232][651]. "Uolricus comes Phirretensis" confirmed the donation to the church of Basel, made by "mater mea Helvvigis comitissa Phirretensis et Berhtoldus frater meus, Basiliensis ecclesie canonicus" with the consent of "pater meus felicis recordationis Fridericus comes Phirretensis" at the court of "consanguineo meo Alberto comite de Habespurg lantgravio Alsatie", by charter dated 25 Jan 1233[652]. 1262.
"m as his second wife, FREDERIC [II] Comte de Ferrette, son of --- (-murdered [1232/28 Jan 1233]). "
Med Lands cites:
[650] Trouillat (1852), Tome I, 308, p. 467.
[651] Herrgott (1737), Vol. II, Pars 1, CCXCVI, p. 243.
[652] Trouillat (1852), Tome I, 354, p. 527.8
[651] Herrgott (1737), Vol. II, Pars 1, CCXCVI, p. 243.
[652] Trouillat (1852), Tome I, 354, p. 527.8
Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VI 146.10 Heilwig/Hilwidis (?) von Urach was also known as Heilwig (?) von Ulrach.7 She was living in 1215; mentioned.3 She was living between 1215 and 1262.7 She was living between 1215 and 1262.1
Family | Friedrich II (?) Graf von Pfirt d. 1234 |
Children |
|
Citations
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Bar 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/bar/bar1.html
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Furstenberg 1 page (The House of Fürstenberg): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/furstbg/furstenbg1.html
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Heilwig von Urach: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026679&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Egino IV: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026680&tree=LEO
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BADEN.htm#EginoIVUrachdied1230B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Agnes von Zähringen: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026681&tree=LEO
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bar.pdf, p. 14. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BADEN.htm#HilwidisUrachMFredericIIFerrette
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ALSACE.htm#FriedrichIIPfirtdied1234B
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Heilwig von Urach: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026679&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Heilwig von Pfirt: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026687&tree=LEO
Ludwig I (?) Graf von Pfirt1,2,3
M, #57376, b. before 1144, d. 1190
Father | Friedrich I (?) de Mousson, comte de Ferrette, seigneur d’Amance1,4,3 b. 1074, d. 19 Jul 1160 |
Mother | Stephanie (?) de Lorraine-Vaudemont1,5,3 d. 1188 |
Last Edited | 15 May 2009 |
Ludwig I (?) Graf von Pfirt married Richenza (?) von Habsburg, daughter of Wernher II von Habsburg Graf von Habsburg, Landgraf im Oberelsass, Ladgraf in Elzas and Ida (?) von Homberg.2,6,7,3
Ludwig I (?) Graf von Pfirt was born before 1144.1
Ludwig I (?) Graf von Pfirt died in 1190.1,3
; van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.), Reference: VI 146.2 Ludwig I (?) Graf von Pfirt was also known as Louis de Bar comte de Ferrette (Pfirt).3
Ludwig I (?) Graf von Pfirt was born before 1144.1
Ludwig I (?) Graf von Pfirt died in 1190.1,3
; van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.), Reference: VI 146.2 Ludwig I (?) Graf von Pfirt was also known as Louis de Bar comte de Ferrette (Pfirt).3
Family | Richenza (?) von Habsburg d. Dec 1180 |
Children |
|
Citations
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Bar 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/bar/bar1.html
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ludwig I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026673&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bar.pdf, p. 14. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Friedrich I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026670&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Stephanie de Lorraine-Vaudemont: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026672&tree=LEO
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Habsburg 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/habsburg/habsburg1.html
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Richenza von Habsburg: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026674&tree=LEO
Richenza (?) von Habsburg1,2,3
F, #57377, d. December 1180
Father | Wernher II von Habsburg Graf von Habsburg, Landgraf im Oberelsass, Ladgraf in Elzas4,1,5,3 d. Aug 1167 |
Mother | Ida (?) von Homberg1,4,6 |
Last Edited | 15 May 2009 |
Richenza (?) von Habsburg married Ludwig I (?) Graf von Pfirt, son of Friedrich I (?) de Mousson, comte de Ferrette, seigneur d’Amance and Stephanie (?) de Lorraine-Vaudemont.7,1,4,3
Richenza (?) von Habsburg died in December 1180.1,4,3
; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VI 146.4
Richenza (?) von Habsburg died in December 1180.1,4,3
; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VI 146.4
Family | Ludwig I (?) Graf von Pfirt b. b 1144, d. 1190 |
Children |
|
Citations
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Habsburg 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/habsburg/habsburg1.html
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Bar 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/bar/bar1.html
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bar.pdf, p. 14. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Richenza von Habsburg: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026674&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Wernher II von Habsburg: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00060854&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, (Ida von Homberg): http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00060855&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ludwig I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026673&tree=LEO
Hugues (?) de Bar et Mousson1,2
M, #57378, b. 1120, d. 29 September 1141
Father | Renaud/Reinald I "One-Eyed/Le Borgne" (?) comte de Bar, Mousson1,2 b. c 1090, d. 10 Mar 1148/49 |
Mother | Gisele de Vaudémont1,2 b. 1090, d. a 1141 |
Last Edited | 15 May 2009 |
Hugues (?) de Bar et Mousson was born in 1120.2
Hugues (?) de Bar et Mousson died on 29 September 1141 at Bouillon, France (now).1,2
Hugues (?) de Bar et Mousson died on 29 September 1141 at Bouillon, France (now).1,2
Citations
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Bar 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/bar/bar1.html
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bar.pdf, p. 4. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
Dietrich/Thierri (?) Bishop of Metz1,2
M, #57379, d. 8 August 1171
Father | Renaud/Reinald I "One-Eyed/Le Borgne" (?) comte de Bar, Mousson1,2 b. c 1090, d. 10 Mar 1148/49 |
Mother | Gisele de Vaudémont1,2 b. 1090, d. a 1141 |
Last Edited | 15 May 2009 |
Citations
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Bar 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/bar/bar1.html
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bar.pdf, p. 4. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
Agnès de Bar1,2,3
F, #57380, b. 1140, d. 1185
Father | Renaud/Reinald I "One-Eyed/Le Borgne" (?) comte de Bar, Mousson1,2,4,3 b. c 1090, d. 10 Mar 1148/49 |
Mother | Gisele de Vaudémont1,2,5,3 b. 1090, d. a 1141 |
Last Edited | 5 Nov 2020 |
Agnès de Bar married Albert I de Chiny Comte de Chiny, son of Otto II de Chiny Comte de Chiny and Adelaide/Alix (?) de Namur, circa 1140.1,2,3
Agnès de Bar was born in 1140.2
Agnès de Bar died in 1185; Genealogy.EU (Bar 1 page) says d. between 1178 and 1195.1,2,3
; Per Med Lands:
"CLEMENCE de Bar ([1123/27]]-after 20 Jan 1183). The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis records that "comes Rainaldus [de Claromonte]" married "comitissam de Dammartin, filiam comitis Rainaldi de Monzuns"[165]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines refers to "comites de Claromonte Belvacensi" as descended from "una…sorore eiusdem comitis [=comes Barri iunior Raynaldus]"[166]. Her birth date range is estimated based on the date of her parents' marriage. Renaud’s second wife would presumably have held the title “Ctss de Dammartin” through an earlier marriage to a comte de Dammartin. If she had been the daughter of a comte de Dammartin, she would not have borne the comital title. [“Radulfus Oysardi filius” donated property at Creil to Saint-Leu d’Esserent, and the nuns obtained the consent of "comitem Rainaldum Claromontensem…uxor eius Clementia, filia…ipsius Margarita", by charter dated to [1119][167]. The dating of this document is problematic: while the presence of Marguerite suggests that she was still unmarried, the date is inconsistent with the estimated birth date of Clémence. It should be noted that Mathon dates the consent given by Comte Renaud to [1153], although he does not state why he says this[168]. If that dating is correct, the witness would have been Renaud’s daughter Marguerite by his second marriage, although it is unclear why she would have been singled out for giving consent without her brothers and sisters.] Louis VII King of France confirmed what “episcopus Parisiensis et Guillelmus Lupus frater eius et comes Damni-Martini Renaudus cum uxore sua” donated to Chaalis “per concessum Adelizæ de Bulis et filiorum eius Lancelini...et fratrum suorum” and the donation of land “apud Hermenovillam et...moriens juxta Villam-novam” made by “Joscelinus de Damno-Martino”, by charter dated 1138[169]. The property the subject of the first-named donation is not specified in the charter. However, a possibly linked charter dated to [1137] records that “Willelmus Lupus Silvanectensis” donated “locum...in quo situm est cœnobium...[et] usum totius Espioniæ et Beeley”, with the support of “uxore mea Adelvia, filioque meo majore...Guidone” and sealed by “fratris mei Stephani Parisiensis episc.”[170]. The charter dated 1138 also provides a possible indication of Clémence’s family origin: the joint donation suggests a joint interest in the property donated, and so a connection with the family of the bouteillers de Senlis (to which Guillaume “le Loup” and his brother Etienne Bishop of Paris belonged). A charter dated 1144 confirmed a donation by "Rainaldus Claromontensis comes" to Saint-Leu d’Esserent, with the consent of "Clementia uxor prædicti comitis cum filio suo Guidone"[171]. An undated charter records the grant of pasturage rights "ad castrum Claromontis, Credulii, Gornaci, Lusarchiarum" to Saint-Leu d’Esserant by "Hugo comes Cestrensis" and "Hugo Claromontensis et Margarita uxor eius", later confirmed by "Rainaldus comes" with the consent of "uxore eius Clementia et filiis eius Guidone et Rainaldo"[172]. "Rainaldus comes de Claromonte et Clemencia uxor eius et Widdo eorum filius" confirmed donations to Saint-Leu d’Esserant made by "Albericus…Paganus…comites de Donno Martino…pater suus Hugo de Claromonte et Margarita uxor eius et comites Cestrences Hugo et Richardus", on the advice of "uxoris meæ Adæ", by charter dated 1152[173]. Louvet notes a donation to the priory of Gournay-sur-Aronde made by “Rainal Comte de Clermont et Clemence sa femme” which was confirmed and supplemented in 1165 by “leurs enfans...Raoult Comte de Clermont, Simon, Gautier, Margueritte, Matilde et Comtesse”[174]. Louis VII King of France confirmed an agreement between Eudes Prior of Saint-Denis and "Donni Martini comitissam Clementiam" who relinquished rights “in Trenbleio” by charter dated 1153[175]. Mathieu quotes a charter of Manassès Bishop of Meaux, dated to [1157], which records property first donated to Chaalis by “Domnimartini comitissa Clementia, laudante viro suo Renaldo de Clarimonte” as well as her donation of rights of way and use of wood “in omnia terra” belonging to “consulatum Domnimartini”[176]. “Clementia comitissa de Domno Martino cum liberis meis” renounced rights over “villa Trembliaco” after disputes between the abbey of Saint-Denis and “antecessores nostros comites de Dompno Martino”, litigated before “regis Ludovici”, by undated charter (dated to [1153/62]), witnessed by “Ansoldus de Claromonte et Petrus nepos eius, Galterus de Alneto...”[177]. [Duchesne states that Thibaut [III] de Nanteuil married “Clemence veuve de Renaut Comte de Clairmont en Beauvoisin” by whom he had three children, but does not cite the corresponding primary source[178]. The primary source which confirms this third marriage has not yet been identified, and from a chronological point of view it appears unlikely to be correct particularly as she is supposed to have had children by her third husband.]
"m firstly --- Comte de Dammartin, son of ---.
"m secondly ([1135]) as his second wife, RENAUD Comte de Clermont [en-Beauvaisis], son of HUGUES de Clermont [en-Beauvaisis] dit de Mouchy & his wife Marguerite de Montdidier (-[1152/53]).
"[m thirdly THIBAUT [III] de Crépy Seigneur de Nanteuil-le-Haudouin, son of THIBAUT [II] de Crépy & his wife Elisabeth --- (-before 20 Jan 1183).]"
Med Lands cites:
; Leo van de pas cites: 1. La Maison Ducale de Bar, Rupt-sur-Moselle, 1977. , Georges Poull, Reference: 217
2. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VI 147
3. Kwartierstaten compiled during WWII in the office of De Nederlandsche Leeuw , Drs. Arie Veth.2
Agnès de Bar was born in 1140.2
Agnès de Bar died in 1185; Genealogy.EU (Bar 1 page) says d. between 1178 and 1195.1,2,3
; Per Med Lands:
"CLEMENCE de Bar ([1123/27]]-after 20 Jan 1183). The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis records that "comes Rainaldus [de Claromonte]" married "comitissam de Dammartin, filiam comitis Rainaldi de Monzuns"[165]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines refers to "comites de Claromonte Belvacensi" as descended from "una…sorore eiusdem comitis [=comes Barri iunior Raynaldus]"[166]. Her birth date range is estimated based on the date of her parents' marriage. Renaud’s second wife would presumably have held the title “Ctss de Dammartin” through an earlier marriage to a comte de Dammartin. If she had been the daughter of a comte de Dammartin, she would not have borne the comital title. [“Radulfus Oysardi filius” donated property at Creil to Saint-Leu d’Esserent, and the nuns obtained the consent of "comitem Rainaldum Claromontensem…uxor eius Clementia, filia…ipsius Margarita", by charter dated to [1119][167]. The dating of this document is problematic: while the presence of Marguerite suggests that she was still unmarried, the date is inconsistent with the estimated birth date of Clémence. It should be noted that Mathon dates the consent given by Comte Renaud to [1153], although he does not state why he says this[168]. If that dating is correct, the witness would have been Renaud’s daughter Marguerite by his second marriage, although it is unclear why she would have been singled out for giving consent without her brothers and sisters.] Louis VII King of France confirmed what “episcopus Parisiensis et Guillelmus Lupus frater eius et comes Damni-Martini Renaudus cum uxore sua” donated to Chaalis “per concessum Adelizæ de Bulis et filiorum eius Lancelini...et fratrum suorum” and the donation of land “apud Hermenovillam et...moriens juxta Villam-novam” made by “Joscelinus de Damno-Martino”, by charter dated 1138[169]. The property the subject of the first-named donation is not specified in the charter. However, a possibly linked charter dated to [1137] records that “Willelmus Lupus Silvanectensis” donated “locum...in quo situm est cœnobium...[et] usum totius Espioniæ et Beeley”, with the support of “uxore mea Adelvia, filioque meo majore...Guidone” and sealed by “fratris mei Stephani Parisiensis episc.”[170]. The charter dated 1138 also provides a possible indication of Clémence’s family origin: the joint donation suggests a joint interest in the property donated, and so a connection with the family of the bouteillers de Senlis (to which Guillaume “le Loup” and his brother Etienne Bishop of Paris belonged). A charter dated 1144 confirmed a donation by "Rainaldus Claromontensis comes" to Saint-Leu d’Esserent, with the consent of "Clementia uxor prædicti comitis cum filio suo Guidone"[171]. An undated charter records the grant of pasturage rights "ad castrum Claromontis, Credulii, Gornaci, Lusarchiarum" to Saint-Leu d’Esserant by "Hugo comes Cestrensis" and "Hugo Claromontensis et Margarita uxor eius", later confirmed by "Rainaldus comes" with the consent of "uxore eius Clementia et filiis eius Guidone et Rainaldo"[172]. "Rainaldus comes de Claromonte et Clemencia uxor eius et Widdo eorum filius" confirmed donations to Saint-Leu d’Esserant made by "Albericus…Paganus…comites de Donno Martino…pater suus Hugo de Claromonte et Margarita uxor eius et comites Cestrences Hugo et Richardus", on the advice of "uxoris meæ Adæ", by charter dated 1152[173]. Louvet notes a donation to the priory of Gournay-sur-Aronde made by “Rainal Comte de Clermont et Clemence sa femme” which was confirmed and supplemented in 1165 by “leurs enfans...Raoult Comte de Clermont, Simon, Gautier, Margueritte, Matilde et Comtesse”[174]. Louis VII King of France confirmed an agreement between Eudes Prior of Saint-Denis and "Donni Martini comitissam Clementiam" who relinquished rights “in Trenbleio” by charter dated 1153[175]. Mathieu quotes a charter of Manassès Bishop of Meaux, dated to [1157], which records property first donated to Chaalis by “Domnimartini comitissa Clementia, laudante viro suo Renaldo de Clarimonte” as well as her donation of rights of way and use of wood “in omnia terra” belonging to “consulatum Domnimartini”[176]. “Clementia comitissa de Domno Martino cum liberis meis” renounced rights over “villa Trembliaco” after disputes between the abbey of Saint-Denis and “antecessores nostros comites de Dompno Martino”, litigated before “regis Ludovici”, by undated charter (dated to [1153/62]), witnessed by “Ansoldus de Claromonte et Petrus nepos eius, Galterus de Alneto...”[177]. [Duchesne states that Thibaut [III] de Nanteuil married “Clemence veuve de Renaut Comte de Clairmont en Beauvoisin” by whom he had three children, but does not cite the corresponding primary source[178]. The primary source which confirms this third marriage has not yet been identified, and from a chronological point of view it appears unlikely to be correct particularly as she is supposed to have had children by her third husband.]
"m firstly --- Comte de Dammartin, son of ---.
"m secondly ([1135]) as his second wife, RENAUD Comte de Clermont [en-Beauvaisis], son of HUGUES de Clermont [en-Beauvaisis] dit de Mouchy & his wife Marguerite de Montdidier (-[1152/53]).
"[m thirdly THIBAUT [III] de Crépy Seigneur de Nanteuil-le-Haudouin, son of THIBAUT [II] de Crépy & his wife Elisabeth --- (-before 20 Jan 1183).]"
Med Lands cites:
[165] Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis 15, MGH SS XIII, p. 255.
[166] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1170, MGH SS XXIII, p. 853.
[167] Müller, E. (ed.) (1900) Le prieuré de Saint-Leu d’Esserent, Cartulaire première partie 1080-1150 (Pontoise) ("Esserent Saint-Leu"), XXI, p. 25.
[168] Mathon ‘Notice historique sur la ville de Creil et sur son ancien château’, Mémoires de la Société Académique de l’Oise, Tome IV (Beauvais, 1859), p. 593.
[169] Gallia Christiana, Tome X, Instrumenta, XVIII, col. 212.
[170] Gallia Christiana, Tome X, Instrumenta, XVIII, col. 212.
[171] Esserent Saint-Leu, XLII, p. 45.
[172] Esserent Saint-Leu, LIX, p. 59.
[173] Esserent Saint-Leu, LXIII, p. 64.
[174] Louvet, P. (1635) Histoire et antiquitéz du pays de Beauvaisis (Beauvais), Tome II, p. 5, no precise citation reference.
[175] Tardif, J. (1866) Monuments historiques (Paris), 523, p. 274.
[176] Mathieu, J. N. 'Recherches sur les premiers Comtes de Dammartin', Mémoires publiés par la Fédération des sociétés historiques et archéologiques de Paris et de l'Ile-de-France, t. 47 (1996), p. 29, footnote 76.
[177] Chartes de l’abbaye de Saint-Denis, Le cartulaire blanc, Tome I, p. 464, available at (8 Sep 2015).
[178] Duchesne (1621) Châtillon, p. 658, no citation reference.6
[166] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1170, MGH SS XXIII, p. 853.
[167] Müller, E. (ed.) (1900) Le prieuré de Saint-Leu d’Esserent, Cartulaire première partie 1080-1150 (Pontoise) ("Esserent Saint-Leu"), XXI, p. 25.
[168] Mathon ‘Notice historique sur la ville de Creil et sur son ancien château’, Mémoires de la Société Académique de l’Oise, Tome IV (Beauvais, 1859), p. 593.
[169] Gallia Christiana, Tome X, Instrumenta, XVIII, col. 212.
[170] Gallia Christiana, Tome X, Instrumenta, XVIII, col. 212.
[171] Esserent Saint-Leu, XLII, p. 45.
[172] Esserent Saint-Leu, LIX, p. 59.
[173] Esserent Saint-Leu, LXIII, p. 64.
[174] Louvet, P. (1635) Histoire et antiquitéz du pays de Beauvaisis (Beauvais), Tome II, p. 5, no precise citation reference.
[175] Tardif, J. (1866) Monuments historiques (Paris), 523, p. 274.
[176] Mathieu, J. N. 'Recherches sur les premiers Comtes de Dammartin', Mémoires publiés par la Fédération des sociétés historiques et archéologiques de Paris et de l'Ile-de-France, t. 47 (1996), p. 29, footnote 76.
[177] Chartes de l’abbaye de Saint-Denis, Le cartulaire blanc, Tome I, p. 464, available at
[178] Duchesne (1621) Châtillon, p. 658, no citation reference.6
; Leo van de pas cites: 1. La Maison Ducale de Bar, Rupt-sur-Moselle, 1977. , Georges Poull, Reference: 217
2. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VI 147
3. Kwartierstaten compiled during WWII in the office of De Nederlandsche Leeuw , Drs. Arie Veth.2
Family | Albert I de Chiny Comte de Chiny d. a 29 Sep 1162 |
Children |
Citations
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Bar 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/bar/bar1.html
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Agnes de Bar: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00030536&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bar.pdf, p. 4. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Reinald I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026515&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gisèle de Vaudemont: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026516&tree=LEO
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BAR.htm#ClemenceM1RenaudClermontM2ThibautCrepy. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Louis III: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00141176&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ida de Chiny: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028268&tree=LEO
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(UPPER)%20NOBILITY.htm#IdaChimayMGosbertIVAspremont
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(UPPER)%20NOBILITY.htm#dauAlbertChimyMHierges
Albert I de Chiny Comte de Chiny1,2
M, #57381, d. after 29 September 1162
Father | Otto II de Chiny Comte de Chiny3,2,4 b. c 1065, d. 28 Mar 1125 |
Mother | Adelaide/Alix (?) de Namur3,2,5,6 b. c 1068, d. a 30 Sep 1124 |
Last Edited | 13 Nov 2020 |
Albert I de Chiny Comte de Chiny married Agnès de Bar, daughter of Renaud/Reinald I "One-Eyed/Le Borgne" (?) comte de Bar, Mousson and Gisele de Vaudémont, circa 1140.1,7,2
Albert I de Chiny Comte de Chiny died after 29 September 1162; Genealogy.EU (Bar 1 page) says d. ca 1163.1,3,2
Reference: Genealogics cites:
Albert I de Chiny Comte de Chiny died after 29 September 1162; Genealogy.EU (Bar 1 page) says d. ca 1163.1,3,2
Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 42
2. Kwartierstaten compiled during WWII in the office of De Nederlandsche Leeuw , Drs. Arie Veth.3
2. Kwartierstaten compiled during WWII in the office of De Nederlandsche Leeuw , Drs. Arie Veth.3
Family | Agnès de Bar b. 1140, d. 1185 |
Children |
Citations
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Bar 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/bar/bar1.html
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bar.pdf, p. 4. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Albert: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00030535&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Otto II: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027132&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Adelheid (Alix) de Namur: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027133&tree=LEO
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(UPPER)%20NOBILITY.htm#OttoIIChinydiedafter1131. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Agnes de Bar: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00030536&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Louis III: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00141176&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ida de Chiny: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028268&tree=LEO
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(UPPER)%20NOBILITY.htm#IdaChimayMGosbertIVAspremont
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(UPPER)%20NOBILITY.htm#dauAlbertChimyMHierges
Thibaut III "Le Riche" (?) de Crépy, seigneur de Nanteuil-Le-Haudouin1,2,3
M, #57382, b. circa 1125, d. before 20 January 1183
Father | Thibaut II (?) de Crépy4,5 |
Mother | Mathilde (?)4,5 |
Last Edited | 29 Jun 2020 |
Thibaut III "Le Riche" (?) de Crépy, seigneur de Nanteuil-Le-Haudouin was born circa 1125.4 He married Clémence/Clementia de Bar Comtesse de Dammartin, daughter of Renaud/Reinald I "One-Eyed/Le Borgne" (?) comte de Bar, Mousson and Gisele de Vaudémont, circa 1153
;
Her 2nd husband.1,6,7,5,4,8
Thibaut III "Le Riche" (?) de Crépy, seigneur de Nanteuil-Le-Haudouin died before 20 January 1183.8,4,5
; Per Genealogy.EU (Bar 1): “C6. [2m.] Clementia, *ca 1110, +after 20.1.1183; 1m: ca 1140 Cte Renaud II de Clermont (+ca 1162); 2m: Thibaut de Crepy”.9
; Per Racines et Histoire (Baf): “2) Clémence de Bar ° ~1110 + après 20/01/1183
ép.1) ~1140 Renaud II, comte de Clermont-enBeauvaisis ° ~1075 + avant 1162 (fils d’Hugues de Clermont dit «de Mouchy» et de Marguerite de Montdidier)
ép. 2) Thibaud III de Crépy , seigneur de NanteuilLe-Haudouin + avant 20/01/1183”.8
Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.)
6:147.7
; Per Med Lands:
"THIBAUT [III] de Crépy (-before 20 Jan 1183). A charter dated to [1135] records a dispute between the abbot of Cluny and "Theobaldum de Crispeio dominum de Nantholio", witnessed by "Helizabeth uxor eius, Thebaldus filius eius, Henricus nepos ipsius Thebaldi…"[1259]. Seigneur de Nanteuil-le-Haudouin.
"[m as her third husband, CLEMENCE de Bar, widow firstly of --- Comte de Dammartin and secondly of RENAUD Comte de Clermont, daughter of RENAUD I Comte de Bar & his wife Gisèle de Vaudémont ([1123/27]-after 20 Jan 1182). Duchesne states that Thibaut [III] de Nanteuil married “Clemence veuve de Renaut Comte de Clairmont en Beauvoisin” by whom he had three children, but does not cite the corresponding primary source[1260]. The primary source which confirms this third marriage has not been identified, and from a chronological point of view it appears unlikely to be correct particularly as she is supposed to have had children by her third husband.]"
Med Lands cites:
; Per Racines et Histoire (Nanteuil): “1) Thibaud III Le Riche fl ~1150/1182 ° ~1125 + 27/01/1183 seigneur de Nanteuil-Le-Haudouin et du Donjon de Crépy
ép. ~1153 Clémence de Bar ° après 1112 + après 20/01/1183 (fille de Renaud 1er, comte de Bar, et de Gisèle de Vaudémont ; veuve de Renaud, comte de Clermont-en-Beauvaisis) ”.4 He was living in 1150.7
;
Her 2nd husband.1,6,7,5,4,8
Thibaut III "Le Riche" (?) de Crépy, seigneur de Nanteuil-Le-Haudouin died before 20 January 1183.8,4,5
; Per Genealogy.EU (Bar 1): “C6. [2m.] Clementia, *ca 1110, +after 20.1.1183; 1m: ca 1140 Cte Renaud II de Clermont (+ca 1162); 2m: Thibaut de Crepy”.9
; Per Racines et Histoire (Baf): “2) Clémence de Bar ° ~1110 + après 20/01/1183
ép.1) ~1140 Renaud II, comte de Clermont-enBeauvaisis ° ~1075 + avant 1162 (fils d’Hugues de Clermont dit «de Mouchy» et de Marguerite de Montdidier)
ép. 2) Thibaud III de Crépy , seigneur de NanteuilLe-Haudouin + avant 20/01/1183”.8
Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.)
6:147.7
; Per Med Lands:
"THIBAUT [III] de Crépy (-before 20 Jan 1183). A charter dated to [1135] records a dispute between the abbot of Cluny and "Theobaldum de Crispeio dominum de Nantholio", witnessed by "Helizabeth uxor eius, Thebaldus filius eius, Henricus nepos ipsius Thebaldi…"[1259]. Seigneur de Nanteuil-le-Haudouin.
"[m as her third husband, CLEMENCE de Bar, widow firstly of --- Comte de Dammartin and secondly of RENAUD Comte de Clermont, daughter of RENAUD I Comte de Bar & his wife Gisèle de Vaudémont ([1123/27]-after 20 Jan 1182). Duchesne states that Thibaut [III] de Nanteuil married “Clemence veuve de Renaut Comte de Clairmont en Beauvoisin” by whom he had three children, but does not cite the corresponding primary source[1260]. The primary source which confirms this third marriage has not been identified, and from a chronological point of view it appears unlikely to be correct particularly as she is supposed to have had children by her third husband.]"
Med Lands cites:
[1259] Toussaints du Plessis (1731), Tome II, Pièces justificatives, LII, p. 31.
[1260] Duchesne (1621) Châtillon, p. 658, no citation reference.5
[1260] Duchesne (1621) Châtillon, p. 658, no citation reference.5
; Per Racines et Histoire (Nanteuil): “1) Thibaud III Le Riche fl ~1150/1182 ° ~1125 + 27/01/1183 seigneur de Nanteuil-Le-Haudouin et du Donjon de Crépy
ép. ~1153 Clémence de Bar ° après 1112 + après 20/01/1183 (fille de Renaud 1er, comte de Bar, et de Gisèle de Vaudémont ; veuve de Renaud, comte de Clermont-en-Beauvaisis) ”.4 He was living in 1150.7
Family | Clémence/Clementia de Bar Comtesse de Dammartin b. c 1110, d. a 20 Jan 1182/83 |
Citations
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Bar 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/bar/bar1.html
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bar.pdf, p. 4. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Nanteuil-Le-Haudouin.pdf, p. 2.
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Seigneurs de NanteuilLe-Haudouin, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Nanteuil-Le-Haudouin.pdf
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/parclerdam.htm#ThibautIIICrepyNanteuildied1183. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Clémence de Bar: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00164669&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Thibaut III de Crépy: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00584194&tree=LEO
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Bar, p. 4: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bar.pdf
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Bar 1: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/bar/bar1.html
Mathilde de Bar1,2,3,4
F, #57383
Father | Renaud/Reinald I "One-Eyed/Le Borgne" (?) comte de Bar, Mousson5,2,3,1,4 b. c 1090, d. 10 Mar 1148/49 |
Mother | Gisele de Vaudémont6,7,1,3,4 b. 1090, d. a 1141 |
Reference | EDV26 |
Last Edited | 16 Dec 2020 |
Mathilde de Bar was born circa 1130; Med Lands says b. bef 1130/35?4 She married Konrad I Von Kyrburg wildgraf und graf von Kyrburg in Schmidtheim, comte palatin du Rhin, son of Emicho I (?) Graf von Kyrburg und von Schmitburg, in 1145.6,3,8,9,2
EDV-26.
Reference: Genealogics cites:
; Per Racines et Histoire (Bar): “2) Mathilde de Bar
ép.~1145 Konrad 1er, wildgraf und graf von Kyrburg in Schmidtheim, comte palatin du Rhin ° 1128 + dès 1170”.3
; Per Genealogy.EU (Veldenz 1): “1. Konrad I, Wildgraf and Gf von Kyrburg; m.ca 1145 N, a dau.of Gf Reinald I of Bar”
Per Genealogy.EU (Bar 1): “C7. [2m.] a daughter, m.Konrad I, Wildgraf von Kyrburg”.10,11
; Per Med Lands:
"MATHILDE de Bar ([before 1130/35?]-). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines refers to "comites qui dicuntur Silvestres in Allemanni" as descended from "tertia [sorore eiusdem comitis =comes Barri iunior Raynaldus]"[179]. The primary source which confirms her name and more precisely identifies her husband has not yet been identified. The likely date of birth of her mother suggests that Mathilde was not born much later than [1130/35].
"m KONRAD Wildgraf und Graf von Kyrburg, son of EMICH [I] Wildgraf und Graf von Kyrburg & his wife ---. 1128/1170. "
Med Lands cites:
; Per Med Lands:
"KONRAD (-after 1173). Wildgraf. Graf von Kyrburg. "…Cunrat comes de Kereberch, frater eius Emicho, Wolfram comes de Wertheim, Gerhart comes de Nuringen, Gerhart comes de Berebach et frater eius Henric…" witnessed the charter dated 1143, after 27 Sep, under which Heinrich Archbishop of Mainz confirmed property of Kloster St Victor, Mainz[708]. "…Cunradus comes et frater eius Emmecho…" subscribed the charter dated 1144 under which Heinrich Archbishop of Mainz confirmed donations to Kloster Eberbach[709]. "…Conradus comes de Kirberg, Gerlacus comes fraterque suus Imecho…" subscribed the charter dated 4 Jan 1146 under which Konrad III King of Germany confirmed an agreement between Adalbero Archbishop of Trier and Henri Comte de Namur[710]. "…comes Conradus et frater suus Embicho…" subscribed the charter dated 1151 under which Heinrich Archbishop of Mainz donated property to Kloster Winkel[711]. The Annales Sancti Disibodi (Continuatio) name "…Cuonradus comes de Kirberg…" among those present with the king when he celebrated Christmas at Worms in 1155[712]. "…Conradus irsutus comes…" subscribed the charter dated 1170 under which Christian Archbishop of Mainz settled a dispute between "Embrichonem ringravium" and Kloster Johannisberg[713]. Philipp Archbishop of Köln exchanged property "in Rode" with Kloster Otterberg for property "in villa Boshovesheim", held by "Wernherus de Bolandia", by charter dated 1173, witnessed by "Wernherus de Bolanden eiusdem predii advocatus, comes Emicho de Liningen, Irsutus comes, comes Heinricus de Dietse…"[714].
"m MATHILDE de Bar, daughter of RENAUD [I] Comte de Bar & his wife Gisèle de Vaudémont ([before 1130/35?]-). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines refers to "comites qui dicuntur Silvestres in Allemanni" as descended from "tertia [sorore eiusdem comitis =comes Barri iunior Raynaldus]"[715]. The primary source which confirms her name and more precisely identifies her husband has not yet been identified. The likely date of birth of her mother suggests that Mathilde was not born much later than [1130/35]."
Med Lands cites:
EDV-26.
Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: III 144.
2. Die Nachkommen Karls des Grossen 1995, Neustadt an der Aisch , Erich Brandenburg, Reference: 100.2
2. Die Nachkommen Karls des Grossen 1995, Neustadt an der Aisch , Erich Brandenburg, Reference: 100.2
; Per Racines et Histoire (Bar): “2) Mathilde de Bar
ép.~1145 Konrad 1er, wildgraf und graf von Kyrburg in Schmidtheim, comte palatin du Rhin ° 1128 + dès 1170”.3
; Per Genealogy.EU (Veldenz 1): “1. Konrad I, Wildgraf and Gf von Kyrburg; m.ca 1145 N, a dau.of Gf Reinald I of Bar”
Per Genealogy.EU (Bar 1): “C7. [2m.] a daughter, m.Konrad I, Wildgraf von Kyrburg”.10,11
; Per Med Lands:
"MATHILDE de Bar ([before 1130/35?]-). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines refers to "comites qui dicuntur Silvestres in Allemanni" as descended from "tertia [sorore eiusdem comitis =comes Barri iunior Raynaldus]"[179]. The primary source which confirms her name and more precisely identifies her husband has not yet been identified. The likely date of birth of her mother suggests that Mathilde was not born much later than [1130/35].
"m KONRAD Wildgraf und Graf von Kyrburg, son of EMICH [I] Wildgraf und Graf von Kyrburg & his wife ---. 1128/1170. "
Med Lands cites:
[179] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1170, MGH SS XXIII, p. 853.4
; Per Med Lands:
"KONRAD (-after 1173). Wildgraf. Graf von Kyrburg. "…Cunrat comes de Kereberch, frater eius Emicho, Wolfram comes de Wertheim, Gerhart comes de Nuringen, Gerhart comes de Berebach et frater eius Henric…" witnessed the charter dated 1143, after 27 Sep, under which Heinrich Archbishop of Mainz confirmed property of Kloster St Victor, Mainz[708]. "…Cunradus comes et frater eius Emmecho…" subscribed the charter dated 1144 under which Heinrich Archbishop of Mainz confirmed donations to Kloster Eberbach[709]. "…Conradus comes de Kirberg, Gerlacus comes fraterque suus Imecho…" subscribed the charter dated 4 Jan 1146 under which Konrad III King of Germany confirmed an agreement between Adalbero Archbishop of Trier and Henri Comte de Namur[710]. "…comes Conradus et frater suus Embicho…" subscribed the charter dated 1151 under which Heinrich Archbishop of Mainz donated property to Kloster Winkel[711]. The Annales Sancti Disibodi (Continuatio) name "…Cuonradus comes de Kirberg…" among those present with the king when he celebrated Christmas at Worms in 1155[712]. "…Conradus irsutus comes…" subscribed the charter dated 1170 under which Christian Archbishop of Mainz settled a dispute between "Embrichonem ringravium" and Kloster Johannisberg[713]. Philipp Archbishop of Köln exchanged property "in Rode" with Kloster Otterberg for property "in villa Boshovesheim", held by "Wernherus de Bolandia", by charter dated 1173, witnessed by "Wernherus de Bolanden eiusdem predii advocatus, comes Emicho de Liningen, Irsutus comes, comes Heinricus de Dietse…"[714].
"m MATHILDE de Bar, daughter of RENAUD [I] Comte de Bar & his wife Gisèle de Vaudémont ([before 1130/35?]-). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines refers to "comites qui dicuntur Silvestres in Allemanni" as descended from "tertia [sorore eiusdem comitis =comes Barri iunior Raynaldus]"[715]. The primary source which confirms her name and more precisely identifies her husband has not yet been identified. The likely date of birth of her mother suggests that Mathilde was not born much later than [1130/35]."
Med Lands cites:
[708] Codex diplomaticus Nassoicus, Band I, Part 1, 202, p. 139.
[709] Codex diplomaticus Nassoicus, Band I, Part 1, 207, p. 144.
[710] Trier Diplomatica (Hontheim), Tome I, CCCLXXIII, p. 554.
[711] Codex diplomaticus Nassoicus, Band I, Part 1, 229, p. 167.
[712] Annales Sancti Disibodi (Continuatio) 1155, MGH SS XVII, p. 29.
[713] Codex diplomaticus Nassoicus, Band I, Part 1, 255, p. 186.
[714] Otterberg, 3, p. 2.
[715] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1170, MGH SS XXIII, p. 853.9
[709] Codex diplomaticus Nassoicus, Band I, Part 1, 207, p. 144.
[710] Trier Diplomatica (Hontheim), Tome I, CCCLXXIII, p. 554.
[711] Codex diplomaticus Nassoicus, Band I, Part 1, 229, p. 167.
[712] Annales Sancti Disibodi (Continuatio) 1155, MGH SS XVII, p. 29.
[713] Codex diplomaticus Nassoicus, Band I, Part 1, 255, p. 186.
[714] Otterberg, 3, p. 2.
[715] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1170, MGH SS XXIII, p. 853.9
Family | Konrad I Von Kyrburg wildgraf und graf von Kyrburg in Schmidtheim, comte palatin du Rhin b. c 1110, d. a 1173 |
Children |
Citations
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Bar 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/bar/bar1.html
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, NN de Bar: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00148885&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Bar, p. 4: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bar.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BAR.htm#MathildeMKonradWildgraf. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Reinald I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026515&tree=LEO
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Bar 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/bar/bar1.html
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gisèle de Vaudemont: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026516&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Conrad I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00148884&tree=LEO
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/PALATINATE.htm#KonradWildgrafdiedafter1170
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Veldenz 1: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/veldenz/veldenz1.html#G1
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Bar 1: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/bar/bar1.html
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mathilde: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139463&tree=LEO
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/PALATINATE.htm#MathildeWildgrafMManassesRethel
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Kunigunde von Kirburg: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00302922&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gerhard I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00148883&tree=LEO
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/PALATINATE.htm#GerhardWildgrafdiedafter1198B
Konrad I Von Kyrburg wildgraf und graf von Kyrburg in Schmidtheim, comte palatin du Rhin1,2,3
M, #57384, b. circa 1110, d. after 1173
Father | Emicho I (?) Graf von Kyrburg und von Schmitburg4,5,6,3 b. c 1072, d. a 1136 |
Last Edited | 16 Dec 2020 |
Konrad I Von Kyrburg wildgraf und graf von Kyrburg in Schmidtheim, comte palatin du Rhin was born circa 1110; Racines et Histoire (Bar) says b. 1128; Genealogics says b. ca 1110.6,7 He married Mathilde de Bar, daughter of Renaud/Reinald I "One-Eyed/Le Borgne" (?) comte de Bar, Mousson and Gisele de Vaudémont, in 1145.1,6,7,3,8
Konrad I Von Kyrburg wildgraf und graf von Kyrburg in Schmidtheim, comte palatin du Rhin died after 1173; Racines et Histoire (Bar) says d. bef 1170; Med Lands says d. aft 1173.6,3
; Per Racines et Histoire (Bar): “2) Mathilde de Bar
ép.~1145 Konrad 1er, wildgraf und graf von Kyrburg in Schmidtheim, comte palatin du Rhin ° 1128 + dès 1170”.6
; Per Med Lands:
"MATHILDE de Bar ([before 1130/35?]-). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines refers to "comites qui dicuntur Silvestres in Allemanni" as descended from "tertia [sorore eiusdem comitis =comes Barri iunior Raynaldus]"[179]. The primary source which confirms her name and more precisely identifies her husband has not yet been identified. The likely date of birth of her mother suggests that Mathilde was not born much later than [1130/35].
"m KONRAD Wildgraf und Graf von Kyrburg, son of EMICH [I] Wildgraf und Graf von Kyrburg & his wife ---. 1128/1170. "
Med Lands cites:
; Per Genealogy.EU (Veldenz 1): “1. Konrad I, Wildgraf and Gf von Kyrburg; m.ca 1145 N, a dau.of Gf Reinald I of Bar”
Per Genealogy.EU (Bar 1): “C7. [2m.] a daughter, m.Konrad I, Wildgraf von Kyrburg”.10,11
; Per Genealogics:
“Conrad I was the son of Emicho I, Graf von Kyrburg und von Schmidtburg. About 1145 he married a daughter of Reinald I, comte de Bar-le-Duc et Mousson, and Gisèle de Vaudemont, and they had a son and two daughters who would have progeny. Conrad and his descendants called themselves 'Wildgrafen' ('Comes silvestris'), who had jurisdiction over uncultivated areas, forests and uninhabited districts.
“In 1154 Conrad was sentenced to the disgrace of 'Hundetragen' (a medieval punishment requiring the man sentenced to carry a dog from one 'Gau' (shire) to another). He was given this sentence for his participation in an armed dispute between Pfalzgraf Hermann von Sabeck and Arnold von Selenhofen, archbishop of Mains.”.7
Reference: Genealogics cites: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: III 144.7
; Per Med Lands:
"KONRAD (-after 1173). Wildgraf. Graf von Kyrburg. "…Cunrat comes de Kereberch, frater eius Emicho, Wolfram comes de Wertheim, Gerhart comes de Nuringen, Gerhart comes de Berebach et frater eius Henric…" witnessed the charter dated 1143, after 27 Sep, under which Heinrich Archbishop of Mainz confirmed property of Kloster St Victor, Mainz[708]. "…Cunradus comes et frater eius Emmecho…" subscribed the charter dated 1144 under which Heinrich Archbishop of Mainz confirmed donations to Kloster Eberbach[709]. "…Conradus comes de Kirberg, Gerlacus comes fraterque suus Imecho…" subscribed the charter dated 4 Jan 1146 under which Konrad III King of Germany confirmed an agreement between Adalbero Archbishop of Trier and Henri Comte de Namur[710]. "…comes Conradus et frater suus Embicho…" subscribed the charter dated 1151 under which Heinrich Archbishop of Mainz donated property to Kloster Winkel[711]. The Annales Sancti Disibodi (Continuatio) name "…Cuonradus comes de Kirberg…" among those present with the king when he celebrated Christmas at Worms in 1155[712]. "…Conradus irsutus comes…" subscribed the charter dated 1170 under which Christian Archbishop of Mainz settled a dispute between "Embrichonem ringravium" and Kloster Johannisberg[713]. Philipp Archbishop of Köln exchanged property "in Rode" with Kloster Otterberg for property "in villa Boshovesheim", held by "Wernherus de Bolandia", by charter dated 1173, witnessed by "Wernherus de Bolanden eiusdem predii advocatus, comes Emicho de Liningen, Irsutus comes, comes Heinricus de Dietse…"[714].
"m MATHILDE de Bar, daughter of RENAUD [I] Comte de Bar & his wife Gisèle de Vaudémont ([before 1130/35?]-). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines refers to "comites qui dicuntur Silvestres in Allemanni" as descended from "tertia [sorore eiusdem comitis =comes Barri iunior Raynaldus]"[715]. The primary source which confirms her name and more precisely identifies her husband has not yet been identified. The likely date of birth of her mother suggests that Mathilde was not born much later than [1130/35]."
Med Lands cites:
Konrad I Von Kyrburg wildgraf und graf von Kyrburg in Schmidtheim, comte palatin du Rhin died after 1173; Racines et Histoire (Bar) says d. bef 1170; Med Lands says d. aft 1173.6,3
; Per Racines et Histoire (Bar): “2) Mathilde de Bar
ép.~1145 Konrad 1er, wildgraf und graf von Kyrburg in Schmidtheim, comte palatin du Rhin ° 1128 + dès 1170”.6
; Per Med Lands:
"MATHILDE de Bar ([before 1130/35?]-). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines refers to "comites qui dicuntur Silvestres in Allemanni" as descended from "tertia [sorore eiusdem comitis =comes Barri iunior Raynaldus]"[179]. The primary source which confirms her name and more precisely identifies her husband has not yet been identified. The likely date of birth of her mother suggests that Mathilde was not born much later than [1130/35].
"m KONRAD Wildgraf und Graf von Kyrburg, son of EMICH [I] Wildgraf und Graf von Kyrburg & his wife ---. 1128/1170. "
Med Lands cites:
[179] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1170, MGH SS XXIII, p. 853.9
; Per Genealogy.EU (Veldenz 1): “1. Konrad I, Wildgraf and Gf von Kyrburg; m.ca 1145 N, a dau.of Gf Reinald I of Bar”
Per Genealogy.EU (Bar 1): “C7. [2m.] a daughter, m.Konrad I, Wildgraf von Kyrburg”.10,11
; Per Genealogics:
“Conrad I was the son of Emicho I, Graf von Kyrburg und von Schmidtburg. About 1145 he married a daughter of Reinald I, comte de Bar-le-Duc et Mousson, and Gisèle de Vaudemont, and they had a son and two daughters who would have progeny. Conrad and his descendants called themselves 'Wildgrafen' ('Comes silvestris'), who had jurisdiction over uncultivated areas, forests and uninhabited districts.
“In 1154 Conrad was sentenced to the disgrace of 'Hundetragen' (a medieval punishment requiring the man sentenced to carry a dog from one 'Gau' (shire) to another). He was given this sentence for his participation in an armed dispute between Pfalzgraf Hermann von Sabeck and Arnold von Selenhofen, archbishop of Mains.”.7
Reference: Genealogics cites: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: III 144.7
; Per Med Lands:
"KONRAD (-after 1173). Wildgraf. Graf von Kyrburg. "…Cunrat comes de Kereberch, frater eius Emicho, Wolfram comes de Wertheim, Gerhart comes de Nuringen, Gerhart comes de Berebach et frater eius Henric…" witnessed the charter dated 1143, after 27 Sep, under which Heinrich Archbishop of Mainz confirmed property of Kloster St Victor, Mainz[708]. "…Cunradus comes et frater eius Emmecho…" subscribed the charter dated 1144 under which Heinrich Archbishop of Mainz confirmed donations to Kloster Eberbach[709]. "…Conradus comes de Kirberg, Gerlacus comes fraterque suus Imecho…" subscribed the charter dated 4 Jan 1146 under which Konrad III King of Germany confirmed an agreement between Adalbero Archbishop of Trier and Henri Comte de Namur[710]. "…comes Conradus et frater suus Embicho…" subscribed the charter dated 1151 under which Heinrich Archbishop of Mainz donated property to Kloster Winkel[711]. The Annales Sancti Disibodi (Continuatio) name "…Cuonradus comes de Kirberg…" among those present with the king when he celebrated Christmas at Worms in 1155[712]. "…Conradus irsutus comes…" subscribed the charter dated 1170 under which Christian Archbishop of Mainz settled a dispute between "Embrichonem ringravium" and Kloster Johannisberg[713]. Philipp Archbishop of Köln exchanged property "in Rode" with Kloster Otterberg for property "in villa Boshovesheim", held by "Wernherus de Bolandia", by charter dated 1173, witnessed by "Wernherus de Bolanden eiusdem predii advocatus, comes Emicho de Liningen, Irsutus comes, comes Heinricus de Dietse…"[714].
"m MATHILDE de Bar, daughter of RENAUD [I] Comte de Bar & his wife Gisèle de Vaudémont ([before 1130/35?]-). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines refers to "comites qui dicuntur Silvestres in Allemanni" as descended from "tertia [sorore eiusdem comitis =comes Barri iunior Raynaldus]"[715]. The primary source which confirms her name and more precisely identifies her husband has not yet been identified. The likely date of birth of her mother suggests that Mathilde was not born much later than [1130/35]."
Med Lands cites:
[708] Codex diplomaticus Nassoicus, Band I, Part 1, 202, p. 139.
[709] Codex diplomaticus Nassoicus, Band I, Part 1, 207, p. 144.
[710] Trier Diplomatica (Hontheim), Tome I, CCCLXXIII, p. 554.
[711] Codex diplomaticus Nassoicus, Band I, Part 1, 229, p. 167.
[712] Annales Sancti Disibodi (Continuatio) 1155, MGH SS XVII, p. 29.
[713] Codex diplomaticus Nassoicus, Band I, Part 1, 255, p. 186.
[714] Otterberg, 3, p. 2.
[715] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1170, MGH SS XXIII, p. 853.3
He was living in 1140.7[709] Codex diplomaticus Nassoicus, Band I, Part 1, 207, p. 144.
[710] Trier Diplomatica (Hontheim), Tome I, CCCLXXIII, p. 554.
[711] Codex diplomaticus Nassoicus, Band I, Part 1, 229, p. 167.
[712] Annales Sancti Disibodi (Continuatio) 1155, MGH SS XVII, p. 29.
[713] Codex diplomaticus Nassoicus, Band I, Part 1, 255, p. 186.
[714] Otterberg, 3, p. 2.
[715] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1170, MGH SS XXIII, p. 853.3
Family | Mathilde de Bar |
Children |
Citations
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Bar 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/bar/bar1.html
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bar.pdf, p. 4. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/PALATINATE.htm#KonradWildgrafdiedafter1170. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Emicho I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00148888&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Veldenz1: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/veldenz/veldenz1.html#G1
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Bar, p. 4: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bar.pdf
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Conrad I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00148884&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, NN de Bar: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00148885&tree=LEO
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BAR.htm#MathildeMKonradWildgraf
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Veldenz 1: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/veldenz/veldenz1.html#G1
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Bar 1: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/bar/bar1.html
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Rethel 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/crus/rethel2.html
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Stephanie (?) de Bar-le-Duc1,2,3,4
F, #57385, b. circa 1125, d. before 12 March 1178
Father | Renaud/Reinald I "One-Eyed/Le Borgne" (?) comte de Bar, Mousson1,5,2,3,4 b. c 1090, d. 10 Mar 1148/49 |
Mother | Gisele de Vaudémont1,6,3,2,4 b. 1090, d. a 1141 |
Last Edited | 28 Nov 2020 |
Stephanie (?) de Bar-le-Duc was born circa 1125.7 She married Hugues III de Broyes seigneur de Broyes et de Chateauvillain, son of Simon I (?) seigneur de Broyes et de Beaufort and Felicite (?) de Brienne, before 22 October 1144
;
His 1st wife.8,1,9,10,11,2,3,4
Stephanie (?) de Bar-le-Duc died before 12 March 1178.1,3,4
; Per Genealogy.EU (Broyes 1): “F1. Hugues III de Broyes et de Chateauvilain, +1199; 1m: before 22.10.1144 Stephanie of Bar (+before 1178); 2m: ca 1178 Isabelle de Dreux (*1160 +1239)”.12
; Per Med Lands:
"HUGUES [III] de Broyes (-1199, bur Clairvaux). "Simon dominus Brecarum" donated property to Andecy (Marne) by charter dated 1131 with the consent of "Felicitatis uxoris sue et liberorum suorum Hugonis…Symonis et Emelina"[84]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Hugonem de Brois qui iacet in Claravalle et Symonem de Belloforti" as sons of "Symon de Brois" & his wife[85]. Seigneur de Broyes et de Châteauvillain. "Hugo dominus Brecarum" donated property to Molesme, with the consent of "uxore mea Stephania, fratreque meo Simone", by charter dated 1144[86]. "Simon dominus Belfortis" donated property to Chapelle-aux-Planches by charter dated 1152 in which he names "Hugone fratre meo domino de Brecis", in the presence of "domini Wilermi domini de Dampetra […et Heleidis mater eius…] et Milonis de Planceii"[87]. “Symon Bellifortus dominus” donated property “in pedagio de Rammerru” to Molesmes by charter dated 1155, witnessed by “Hugone fratre meo Brecarum domino, Gaufredo grosso Jovis ville domino”[88]. "Nobilis mulier Felicitas" donated property at Chasteler to Andecy (Marne) by charter dated 1171 with the consent of "filiorum suorum Hugonis domini Brecarum et domini Symonis de Beaufort"[89]. "Hugo Brecensis dominus" confirmed "iuris in molendinis de Moire" to Marmoutier, with the support of “uxor mea Elizabeth et Simon frater meus et Simon filius meus de Commarceio”, by charter dated 1178[90]. "Symon dominus Bellifortis" donated property to Chapelle-aux-Planches by charter dated 1182 in which he names "Agnes uxor mea et dominus Hugo Brecarum frater meus"[91]. “Hugo Brecarum et Castelli-Villani dominus” founded the hospital des Bonshommes, with the consent of “Helisabeth uxoris meæ et infantium nostrorum Simonis et Amelinæ”, by charter dated 1184[92]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Hugo de Brois" as son of "Symon domnus de Brois" & his wife, specifying that he held his lands "circiter per annos 80", which is exaggerated, recording in a later passage his death in 1199 and burial at Clairvaux[93]. "Hugo dominus Brecarum" donated property to Clairvaux, with the consent of "Elisabeth uxor mea et Symon filius meus junior et Emelina filia mea domina de Chanlita", by charter dated 1200 [misdated?][94].
"m firstly (before 22 Oct 1144) STEPHANIE de Bar Dame de Commercy, daughter of RENAUD I Comte de Bar et de Mousson & his second wife Gisèle de Vaudémont (-12 Mar [1170/78]). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines refers to "quarta [sorore eiusdem comitis =comes Barri iunior Raynaldus]" as mother of "Symon de Commarceio et due sorores illius"[95]. Dame de Commercy: “Etiennette fille de Renaud I de Bar” is named “seigneur de Commercy” in the charter dated 1140 for Riéval[96]. "Hugo dominus Brecarum" donated property to Molesme, with the consent of "uxore mea Stephania, fratreque meo Simone", by charter dated 1144[97]. “Etiennette...avec Galliena châtelaine de Bar” donated “la terre de Rompoint” to Rangéval by charter dated 1165[98]. She is named in a charter dated 1170 which records the donation of “un jardin près d’Aulnoy” to Rangéval[99]. Pope Alexander III confirmed donations made to Riéval abbey, including the donation of Pope Alexander III confirmed donations made to Riéval abbey, including the donation of “allodium de Bernaicuria” made by “hæredes eiusdem allodii...in villis Neves scilicet Maligneio, Sorceio, Commarceio, Lorovilla”, and of “locum de Bellomonte qui antiquitus...Rampans...cum pasturis...terræ castello de Commarceio” made by “domini de Commarceio Stephania...assensu Simonis filii sui et filiarum suarum et Stephanus junior de Sorceio et Savaricus de Belleramo assensu Theoderici Metensis episcopi et Petri Tullensis episcopi”, by charter dated 1179[100]. Pope Lucius III confirmed donations made to Riéval abbey, including the donation of “Neves scilicet Commarceio, Sorbeio, Meligneio, Levovilla, locum de Bemont qui antiquitatis Rampuns...animalium pasturis...terræ domino de Commerceio pertinentis” made by “Stephania comitissa prædicti castri assensu Simonis filii sui et filiarum suarum Sophiæ et Agnetis et Stephani quondam Metensis episcopi [so the original donation dated to before 1162] a quo illum in feudum tenebat, et Stephanus de Sorceio et Savaricus de Belloramo assensu uxoris suæ Mathildis, et Philippus castellanus Barri assensu filiorum suorum Gerardi et Ulrici”, by charter dated 5 Jan 1181 (O.S.?)[101].
"m secondly (before 1178) ISABELLE de Dreux Dame de Baudémont, daughter of ROBERT I "le Grand" Comte de Dreux [Capet] & his second wife Agnes de Baudemont dame de Braine (1160-1239). "Hugo Brecensis dominus" confirmed "iuris in molendinis de Moire" to Marmoutier, with the support of “uxor mea Elizabeth et Simon frater meus et Simon filius meus de Commarceio”, by charter dated 1178[102]. “Hugo Brecarum et Castelli-Villani dominus” founded the hospital des Bonshommes, with the consent of “Helisabeth uxoris meæ et infantium nostrorum Simonis et Amelinæ”, by charter dated 1184[103]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "matrem Symonis de Castro Villani" as one of the two daughters of "comes Robertus" & his second wife, in a later passage naming her "Isabellam domna de Baia" when recording her death in 1239[104]. Dame d'Arc-en-Barrois et de Cour-l'Evêque: Hugues de Broyes granted “in Burgundia...castrum de Arc, et Curt Evesque, quæ est inferius” and property “ab Arc superius in riveria de Avigny usque à Chamerois, id est...villa de Chamerois et vineam de Vaurencio” to “eidem Helysabeth” by charter dated 1197[105]. "Hugo dominus Brecarum" donated property to Clairvaux, with the consent of "Elisabeth uxor mea et Symon filius meus junior et Emelina filia mea domina de Chanlita", by charter dated 1200 [misdated?][106]. “Helizabel domina Castri Villani et...Simon de Castro Villani filius eius” transferred “motam et fortericiam Vaudemonti et...Corbeson, Soysi, Thomines et Estrechi, et Waisiam” to Blanche comtesse de Champagne and her son by charter dated Feb 1210[107]. "Simon dominus Castrivillani...et...mater mea et Aalis uxor mea" confirmed donations to Recluse made by “pater meus Hugo quondam dominus Brecarum” by charter dated Oct 1225[108]."
Med Lands cites:
; Per Racines et Histoire (Broyes): “Hugues III de Broyes, seigneur de Broyes (Marne), Châteauvillain, Arc-en-Barrois, Commercy (Meuse), Villenauxe (Aube) et Champigny-sur-Aube (Aube)
ép. 1) dès 22/10/1144 Stéphanie (Etiennette) de Bar, dame de Commercy ° ~1125 + un 12/03 avant 1178 (fille de Renaud 1er dit «Le Borgne» de Bar et de Mousson, et de Gisèle (ou Gillette) de Vaudémont)
ép. 2) ~1178 Isabelle (Isabeau) de Dreux, dame de Baudément (Marne), Arc-en-Barrois et Cour-L’Evêque (1197) ° ~1160 + 1239 (fille de Robert 1er «Le Grand», comte de Dreux, et d’Agnès de Baudément, dame de Braine) ”.9
Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 6:147.3
; This is the same person as ”Stéphanie de Bar-Commercy” at Wikipédia (FR).13
; Per Med Lands:
"STEPHANIE de Bar (-12 Mar [1170/78]). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines refers to "quarta [sorore eiusdem comitis =comes Barri iunior Raynaldus]" as mother of "Symon de Commarceio et due sorores illius"[180]. Dame de Commercy: “Etiennette fille de Renaud I de Bar” is named “seigneur de Commercy” in the charter dated 1140 for Riéval[181]. "Hugo dominus Brecarum" donated property to Molesme, with the consent of "uxore mea Stephania, fratreque meo Simone", by charter dated 1144[182]. “Etiennette...avec Galliena châtelaine de Bar” donated “la terre de Rompoint” to Rangéval by charter dated 1165[183]. She is named in a charter dated 1170 which records the donation of “un jardin près d’Aulnoy” to Rangéval[184]. Pope Alexander III confirmed donations made to Riéval abbey, including the donation of “locum de Bellomonte qui antiquitus...Rampans...cum pasturis...terræ castello de Commarceio” made by “domini de Commarceio Stephania...assensu Simonis filii sui et filiarum suarum et Stephanus junior de Sorceio et Savaricus de Belleramo assensu Theoderici Metensis episcopi et Petri Tullensis episcopi”, by charter dated 1179[185].
"m (before 22 Oct 1144) as his first wife, HUGUES [III] Seigneur de Broyes et de Châteauvillain, son of SIMON [I] Seigneur de Broyes & his wife Félicité de Brienne (-1199, bur Clairvaux)."
Med Lands cites:
; Per Genealogy.EU (Bar 1): “C8. [2m.] Stephanie, +before 1178; m.before 22.10.1144 Hugues III de Broyes (+after 1199)”.14
;
His 1st wife.8,1,9,10,11,2,3,4
Stephanie (?) de Bar-le-Duc died before 12 March 1178.1,3,4
; Per Genealogy.EU (Broyes 1): “F1. Hugues III de Broyes et de Chateauvilain, +1199; 1m: before 22.10.1144 Stephanie of Bar (+before 1178); 2m: ca 1178 Isabelle de Dreux (*1160 +1239)”.12
; Per Med Lands:
"HUGUES [III] de Broyes (-1199, bur Clairvaux). "Simon dominus Brecarum" donated property to Andecy (Marne) by charter dated 1131 with the consent of "Felicitatis uxoris sue et liberorum suorum Hugonis…Symonis et Emelina"[84]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Hugonem de Brois qui iacet in Claravalle et Symonem de Belloforti" as sons of "Symon de Brois" & his wife[85]. Seigneur de Broyes et de Châteauvillain. "Hugo dominus Brecarum" donated property to Molesme, with the consent of "uxore mea Stephania, fratreque meo Simone", by charter dated 1144[86]. "Simon dominus Belfortis" donated property to Chapelle-aux-Planches by charter dated 1152 in which he names "Hugone fratre meo domino de Brecis", in the presence of "domini Wilermi domini de Dampetra […et Heleidis mater eius…] et Milonis de Planceii"[87]. “Symon Bellifortus dominus” donated property “in pedagio de Rammerru” to Molesmes by charter dated 1155, witnessed by “Hugone fratre meo Brecarum domino, Gaufredo grosso Jovis ville domino”[88]. "Nobilis mulier Felicitas" donated property at Chasteler to Andecy (Marne) by charter dated 1171 with the consent of "filiorum suorum Hugonis domini Brecarum et domini Symonis de Beaufort"[89]. "Hugo Brecensis dominus" confirmed "iuris in molendinis de Moire" to Marmoutier, with the support of “uxor mea Elizabeth et Simon frater meus et Simon filius meus de Commarceio”, by charter dated 1178[90]. "Symon dominus Bellifortis" donated property to Chapelle-aux-Planches by charter dated 1182 in which he names "Agnes uxor mea et dominus Hugo Brecarum frater meus"[91]. “Hugo Brecarum et Castelli-Villani dominus” founded the hospital des Bonshommes, with the consent of “Helisabeth uxoris meæ et infantium nostrorum Simonis et Amelinæ”, by charter dated 1184[92]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Hugo de Brois" as son of "Symon domnus de Brois" & his wife, specifying that he held his lands "circiter per annos 80", which is exaggerated, recording in a later passage his death in 1199 and burial at Clairvaux[93]. "Hugo dominus Brecarum" donated property to Clairvaux, with the consent of "Elisabeth uxor mea et Symon filius meus junior et Emelina filia mea domina de Chanlita", by charter dated 1200 [misdated?][94].
"m firstly (before 22 Oct 1144) STEPHANIE de Bar Dame de Commercy, daughter of RENAUD I Comte de Bar et de Mousson & his second wife Gisèle de Vaudémont (-12 Mar [1170/78]). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines refers to "quarta [sorore eiusdem comitis =comes Barri iunior Raynaldus]" as mother of "Symon de Commarceio et due sorores illius"[95]. Dame de Commercy: “Etiennette fille de Renaud I de Bar” is named “seigneur de Commercy” in the charter dated 1140 for Riéval[96]. "Hugo dominus Brecarum" donated property to Molesme, with the consent of "uxore mea Stephania, fratreque meo Simone", by charter dated 1144[97]. “Etiennette...avec Galliena châtelaine de Bar” donated “la terre de Rompoint” to Rangéval by charter dated 1165[98]. She is named in a charter dated 1170 which records the donation of “un jardin près d’Aulnoy” to Rangéval[99]. Pope Alexander III confirmed donations made to Riéval abbey, including the donation of Pope Alexander III confirmed donations made to Riéval abbey, including the donation of “allodium de Bernaicuria” made by “hæredes eiusdem allodii...in villis Neves scilicet Maligneio, Sorceio, Commarceio, Lorovilla”, and of “locum de Bellomonte qui antiquitus...Rampans...cum pasturis...terræ castello de Commarceio” made by “domini de Commarceio Stephania...assensu Simonis filii sui et filiarum suarum et Stephanus junior de Sorceio et Savaricus de Belleramo assensu Theoderici Metensis episcopi et Petri Tullensis episcopi”, by charter dated 1179[100]. Pope Lucius III confirmed donations made to Riéval abbey, including the donation of “Neves scilicet Commarceio, Sorbeio, Meligneio, Levovilla, locum de Bemont qui antiquitatis Rampuns...animalium pasturis...terræ domino de Commerceio pertinentis” made by “Stephania comitissa prædicti castri assensu Simonis filii sui et filiarum suarum Sophiæ et Agnetis et Stephani quondam Metensis episcopi [so the original donation dated to before 1162] a quo illum in feudum tenebat, et Stephanus de Sorceio et Savaricus de Belloramo assensu uxoris suæ Mathildis, et Philippus castellanus Barri assensu filiorum suorum Gerardi et Ulrici”, by charter dated 5 Jan 1181 (O.S.?)[101].
"m secondly (before 1178) ISABELLE de Dreux Dame de Baudémont, daughter of ROBERT I "le Grand" Comte de Dreux [Capet] & his second wife Agnes de Baudemont dame de Braine (1160-1239). "Hugo Brecensis dominus" confirmed "iuris in molendinis de Moire" to Marmoutier, with the support of “uxor mea Elizabeth et Simon frater meus et Simon filius meus de Commarceio”, by charter dated 1178[102]. “Hugo Brecarum et Castelli-Villani dominus” founded the hospital des Bonshommes, with the consent of “Helisabeth uxoris meæ et infantium nostrorum Simonis et Amelinæ”, by charter dated 1184[103]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "matrem Symonis de Castro Villani" as one of the two daughters of "comes Robertus" & his second wife, in a later passage naming her "Isabellam domna de Baia" when recording her death in 1239[104]. Dame d'Arc-en-Barrois et de Cour-l'Evêque: Hugues de Broyes granted “in Burgundia...castrum de Arc, et Curt Evesque, quæ est inferius” and property “ab Arc superius in riveria de Avigny usque à Chamerois, id est...villa de Chamerois et vineam de Vaurencio” to “eidem Helysabeth” by charter dated 1197[105]. "Hugo dominus Brecarum" donated property to Clairvaux, with the consent of "Elisabeth uxor mea et Symon filius meus junior et Emelina filia mea domina de Chanlita", by charter dated 1200 [misdated?][106]. “Helizabel domina Castri Villani et...Simon de Castro Villani filius eius” transferred “motam et fortericiam Vaudemonti et...Corbeson, Soysi, Thomines et Estrechi, et Waisiam” to Blanche comtesse de Champagne and her son by charter dated Feb 1210[107]. "Simon dominus Castrivillani...et...mater mea et Aalis uxor mea" confirmed donations to Recluse made by “pater meus Hugo quondam dominus Brecarum” by charter dated Oct 1225[108]."
Med Lands cites:
[84] Andecy (Marne) 161, p. 259.
[85] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1107, MGH SS XXIII, p. 818.
[86] Duchesne (Dreux, Broyes et Châteauvillain) (1631), Broyes et Châteauvillain, Preuves, p. 14.
[87] Chapelle-aux-Planches, 11, p. 11.
[88] Molesmes (1864), p. 273.
[89] Andecy (Marne) 169, p. 265.
[90] Duchesne (Dreux, Broyes et Châteauvillain) (1631), Broyes et Châteauvillain, Preuves, p. 16.
[91] Chapelle-aux-Planches, 30, p. 30.
[92] Carnandet (1856), p. 74.
[93] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1132 and 1199, MGH SS XXIII, pp. 831 and 877.
[94] Petit, Vol. II, 694, p. 458.
[95] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1170, MGH SS XXIII, p. 853.
[96] François-Vivès ‘Les seigneurs de Commercy’ (1936), p. 114, citing “Acte de fondation de Riéval, B. N., coll. Lorr., vol. 287, fol. 25 et suiv.”.
[97] Duchesne (Dreux, Broyes et Châteauvillain) (1631), Broyes et Châteauvillain, Preuves, p. 14.
[98] François-Vivès ‘Les seigneurs de Commercy’ (1936), Tome LXXIV, p. 119, citing “Arch. de la Meuse, série H, non classée, fonds de Riéval”.
[99] François-Vivès ‘Les seigneurs de Commercy’ (1936), Tome LXXIV, p. 120, citing “B. N., coll. de Lorr., vol. 721, fol. 99 (inventaire des archives de Riéval)”.
[100] Hugo (1736), Tome II, Probationes, col. ccccix.
[101] Hugo (1736), Tome II, Probationes, col. ccccxii.
[102] Duchesne (Dreux, Broyes et Châteauvillain) (1631), Broyes et Châteauvillain, Preuves, p. 16.
[103] Carnandet (1856), p. 74.
[104] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1219 and 1239, MGH SS XXIII, pp. 909 and 945.
[105] Carnandet (1856), p. 8, no citation reference.
[106] Petit, Vol. II, 694, p. 458.
[107] Chantereau le Febvre (1662), Autres preuves par les Actes, p. 42.
[108] Duchesne (Dreux, Broyes et Châteauvillain) (1631), Broyes et Châteauvillain, Preuves, p. 32.11
[85] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1107, MGH SS XXIII, p. 818.
[86] Duchesne (Dreux, Broyes et Châteauvillain) (1631), Broyes et Châteauvillain, Preuves, p. 14.
[87] Chapelle-aux-Planches, 11, p. 11.
[88] Molesmes (1864), p. 273.
[89] Andecy (Marne) 169, p. 265.
[90] Duchesne (Dreux, Broyes et Châteauvillain) (1631), Broyes et Châteauvillain, Preuves, p. 16.
[91] Chapelle-aux-Planches, 30, p. 30.
[92] Carnandet (1856), p. 74.
[93] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1132 and 1199, MGH SS XXIII, pp. 831 and 877.
[94] Petit, Vol. II, 694, p. 458.
[95] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1170, MGH SS XXIII, p. 853.
[96] François-Vivès ‘Les seigneurs de Commercy’ (1936), p. 114, citing “Acte de fondation de Riéval, B. N., coll. Lorr., vol. 287, fol. 25 et suiv.”.
[97] Duchesne (Dreux, Broyes et Châteauvillain) (1631), Broyes et Châteauvillain, Preuves, p. 14.
[98] François-Vivès ‘Les seigneurs de Commercy’ (1936), Tome LXXIV, p. 119, citing “Arch. de la Meuse, série H, non classée, fonds de Riéval”.
[99] François-Vivès ‘Les seigneurs de Commercy’ (1936), Tome LXXIV, p. 120, citing “B. N., coll. de Lorr., vol. 721, fol. 99 (inventaire des archives de Riéval)”.
[100] Hugo (1736), Tome II, Probationes, col. ccccix.
[101] Hugo (1736), Tome II, Probationes, col. ccccxii.
[102] Duchesne (Dreux, Broyes et Châteauvillain) (1631), Broyes et Châteauvillain, Preuves, p. 16.
[103] Carnandet (1856), p. 74.
[104] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1219 and 1239, MGH SS XXIII, pp. 909 and 945.
[105] Carnandet (1856), p. 8, no citation reference.
[106] Petit, Vol. II, 694, p. 458.
[107] Chantereau le Febvre (1662), Autres preuves par les Actes, p. 42.
[108] Duchesne (Dreux, Broyes et Châteauvillain) (1631), Broyes et Châteauvillain, Preuves, p. 32.11
; Per Racines et Histoire (Broyes): “Hugues III de Broyes, seigneur de Broyes (Marne), Châteauvillain, Arc-en-Barrois, Commercy (Meuse), Villenauxe (Aube) et Champigny-sur-Aube (Aube)
ép. 1) dès 22/10/1144 Stéphanie (Etiennette) de Bar, dame de Commercy ° ~1125 + un 12/03 avant 1178 (fille de Renaud 1er dit «Le Borgne» de Bar et de Mousson, et de Gisèle (ou Gillette) de Vaudémont)
ép. 2) ~1178 Isabelle (Isabeau) de Dreux, dame de Baudément (Marne), Arc-en-Barrois et Cour-L’Evêque (1197) ° ~1160 + 1239 (fille de Robert 1er «Le Grand», comte de Dreux, et d’Agnès de Baudément, dame de Braine) ”.9
Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 6:147.3
; This is the same person as ”Stéphanie de Bar-Commercy” at Wikipédia (FR).13
; Per Med Lands:
"STEPHANIE de Bar (-12 Mar [1170/78]). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines refers to "quarta [sorore eiusdem comitis =comes Barri iunior Raynaldus]" as mother of "Symon de Commarceio et due sorores illius"[180]. Dame de Commercy: “Etiennette fille de Renaud I de Bar” is named “seigneur de Commercy” in the charter dated 1140 for Riéval[181]. "Hugo dominus Brecarum" donated property to Molesme, with the consent of "uxore mea Stephania, fratreque meo Simone", by charter dated 1144[182]. “Etiennette...avec Galliena châtelaine de Bar” donated “la terre de Rompoint” to Rangéval by charter dated 1165[183]. She is named in a charter dated 1170 which records the donation of “un jardin près d’Aulnoy” to Rangéval[184]. Pope Alexander III confirmed donations made to Riéval abbey, including the donation of “locum de Bellomonte qui antiquitus...Rampans...cum pasturis...terræ castello de Commarceio” made by “domini de Commarceio Stephania...assensu Simonis filii sui et filiarum suarum et Stephanus junior de Sorceio et Savaricus de Belleramo assensu Theoderici Metensis episcopi et Petri Tullensis episcopi”, by charter dated 1179[185].
"m (before 22 Oct 1144) as his first wife, HUGUES [III] Seigneur de Broyes et de Châteauvillain, son of SIMON [I] Seigneur de Broyes & his wife Félicité de Brienne (-1199, bur Clairvaux)."
Med Lands cites:
[180] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1170, MGH SS XXIII, p. 853.
[181] François-Vivès, S. ‘Les seigneurs de Commercy au moyen âge’, Mémoires de la Société d’Archéologie lorraine, Tome LXXIV, (Nancy, 1936), p. 114, citing “Acte de fondation de Riéval, B. N., coll. Lorr., vol. 287, fol. 25 et suiv.”.
[182] Duchesne, A. (1631) Histoire généalogique de la maison royale de Dreux (Paris), Broyes et Châteauvillain, Preuves, p. 14.
[183] François-Vivès ‘Les seigneurs de Commercy’ (1936), Tome LXXIV, p. 119, citing “Arch. de la Meuse, série H, non classée, fonds de Riéval”.
[184] François-Vivès ‘Les seigneurs de Commercy’ (1936), Tome LXXIV, p. 120, citing “B. N., coll. de Lorr., vol. 721, fol. 99 (inventaire des archives de Riéval)”.
[185] Præmonstratensis Annales (1736), Tome II, Probationes, col. ccccix.4
[181] François-Vivès, S. ‘Les seigneurs de Commercy au moyen âge’, Mémoires de la Société d’Archéologie lorraine, Tome LXXIV, (Nancy, 1936), p. 114, citing “Acte de fondation de Riéval, B. N., coll. Lorr., vol. 287, fol. 25 et suiv.”.
[182] Duchesne, A. (1631) Histoire généalogique de la maison royale de Dreux (Paris), Broyes et Châteauvillain, Preuves, p. 14.
[183] François-Vivès ‘Les seigneurs de Commercy’ (1936), Tome LXXIV, p. 119, citing “Arch. de la Meuse, série H, non classée, fonds de Riéval”.
[184] François-Vivès ‘Les seigneurs de Commercy’ (1936), Tome LXXIV, p. 120, citing “B. N., coll. de Lorr., vol. 721, fol. 99 (inventaire des archives de Riéval)”.
[185] Præmonstratensis Annales (1736), Tome II, Probationes, col. ccccix.4
; Per Genealogy.EU (Bar 1): “C8. [2m.] Stephanie, +before 1178; m.before 22.10.1144 Hugues III de Broyes (+after 1199)”.14
Family | Hugues III de Broyes seigneur de Broyes et de Chateauvillain d. a 1199 |
Children |
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Citations
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Bar 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/bar/bar1.html
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Bar, p. 4: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bar.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Stephanie de Bar: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00030542&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BAR.htm#StephanieMHuguesBroyes. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Reinald I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026515&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gisèle de Vaudemont: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026516&tree=LEO
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bar.pdf, p. 4.
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Broyes 1 page (The Family de Broyes): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/broyes1.html
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, seigneurs de Broyes & Commercy, Sarrebrücken, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Broyes.pdf
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugues III de Broyes: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028383&tree=LEO
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chamchalons.htm#HuguesIIIBroyesdied1199
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Broyes 1 page (The Family de Broyes): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/broyes1.html#H3
- [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, Stéphanie de Bar-Commercy: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/St%C3%A9phanie_de_Bar-Commercy. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Bar 1: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/bar/bar1.html#SR1
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Simon II-I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00030543&tree=LEO
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chamchalons.htm#SimonIBroyesCommercydied1208B
Henri I "Jacques" (?) Comte de Bar et de Langres1,2
M, #57386, b. 1158, d. 14 October 1190
Father | Renaud/Reinald II 'Le Jeune' (?) Comte de Bar, Mousson et Brie1,2 b. c 1115, d. 25 Jul 1170 |
Mother | Agnès de Blois de Champagne, dame de Ligny-en-Barrois1,2 b. 1138, d. 7 Aug 1207 |
Last Edited | 15 May 2009 |
Henri I "Jacques" (?) Comte de Bar et de Langres was born in 1158.1,2
Henri I "Jacques" (?) Comte de Bar et de Langres died on 14 October 1190; killed in battle.1,2
Henri I "Jacques" (?) Comte de Bar et de Langres died on 14 October 1190; killed in battle.1,2
Citations
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Bar 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/bar/bar1.html
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bar.pdf, p. 4. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
Laurette/Adelheid (?) von Looz, Dame de Longwy1,2,3
F, #57387, b. between 1150 and 1155, d. before 1184
Father | Ludwig/Louis I (?) Graf von Looz und Rieneck, Burggraf of Mainz1,4,2,5,3 b. 1110, d. 11 Aug 1171 |
Mother | Agnes von Metz1,6,2,3,5 d. a 1174 |
Last Edited | 30 Oct 2020 |
Laurette/Adelheid (?) von Looz, Dame de Longwy was born between 1150 and 1155.1 She married Gilles (?) comte de Duras, Montaigu et Clermont in 1174
;
Her 1st husband.2,3,7,8 Laurette/Adelheid (?) von Looz, Dame de Longwy and Gilles (?) comte de Duras, Montaigu et Clermont were divorced in 1174.2,3,7 Laurette/Adelheid (?) von Looz, Dame de Longwy married Thibault/Theobald I (Jean) (?) Comte de Bar-le-Duc, Mousson, Briey, Stenay, Longwy et Ligny, son of Renaud/Reinald II 'Le Jeune' (?) Comte de Bar, Mousson et Brie and Agnès de Blois de Champagne, dame de Ligny-en-Barrois, circa 1176
;
Her 2nd husband; his 1st wife.1,9,2,3,7,10,11
Laurette/Adelheid (?) von Looz, Dame de Longwy died before 1184.2,3,7
; Per Racines et Histoire (Bar): “(Jean) Thibaud 1er de Bar ° ~1158/60 + 12-13/02/1214 comte de Bar (1190), Mousson, Briey, Stenay, Longwy et Ligny ; achète Luxembourg, Durbuy et Laroche (1197), assiège Philippe, marquis de Namur dans Namur, obtient un traité favorable (Dinant, 1197), excommunié pour pillage des biens de l’Evêque de Metz, croisé en Albigeois
ép. 1) 1176 Laurette van Looz, héritière et dame de Longwy + avant 1184 (fille de Lodewijk 1er, graf van Looz en Rieneck, Stadgraf von Mainz, et d’Agnès de Metz ; divorcée de Gilles, comte de Duras, Montaigu et Clermont)
ép. 2) 1189 (div. 1195) Hermesende (alias Hermance) de Bar-sur-Seine) + 1212 ou peu après (fille de Gui 1er, comte de Bar-sur-Seine, et de Péronelle (Elisabeth) de Chacenay ou Chassenay ; veuve d’Anseau II, seigneur de Trainel)
ép. 3) 1197 Ermesinde de Luxembourg-Namur ° 07/1186 + 17/02/1247 comtesse de Luxembourg (fille d’Henri IV «L’Aveugle», comte de Luxembourg et de Namur ; ép. 2) 02 ou 05/1214 Walram IV van Limburg, duc de Limburg (1221))”.12
; Per Med Lands:
"JEAN [Thibaut] de Bar, son of RENAUD II Comte de Bar & his wife Agnes de Blois ([1160]-12/13 Feb 1214, bur Saint-Mihiel). The Genealogica ex Stirpe Sancti Arnulfi names "Theobaldus comes de Monceons…Henricum comitem de Bar et Rainaldum episcopum Carnotensem" as children of "Rainaldus frater Theoderici electi Metensis" & his wife[186]. “Henricus comes Barrensis” donated commission on sales of wine at Bar to Saint-Mihiel, with the consent of “Agnetis matris mee, Teobaldi fratris mei, Friderici de Bides”, by charter dated to [1172/89][187]. Seigneur de Briey, Stenay et de Longwy. He succeeded his brother in 1190 as THIBAUT I Comte de Bar. After his third marriage, he bought Luxembourg, Durbuy and Laroche with the approval of Philipp King of Germany, before besieging Philippe Marquis de Namur in his castle at Namur and forcing the 1199 Treaty of Dinant under which the disputed territories of Luxembourg, Durbuy and Laroche were confirmed to his wife[188]. Comte Thibaut was excommunicated after pillaging property of the bishop of Metz, and joined the Albigensian crusade of Simon de Montfort in southern France as a means of avoiding the penance of a pilgrimage to Palestine[189]. "Th. comes Barr et Luc" bequeathed his property to "uxori mee Ermens…filio meo Renaudo…filio meo Henrico…filie mee Elizabet", before leaving on crusade against the Albigeois, by charter dated 3 Apr 1211[190]. "Th. comes Barr et Luc" modified his earlier testament, after the death of "filius meus Renaudus et filiarum mearum altera", by charter dated Feb 1214[191]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records the death in 1214 of "comes Barri Theobaldus" and his burial next to his father "in abbatia sancti Michaelis"[192]. The necrology of Gorze records the death "II Id Feb" of "Theobaldus comes Barrensis"[193].
"m firstly ([1176]) as her second husband, LAURETTE de Looz, divorced wife of GILLES Comte de Duras, Montaigu et Clermont, daughter of LOUIS I Comte de Looz, Graf von Rieneck, Stadtgraf von Mainz & his wife Agnes von Metz (-before 1184). The Genealogica ex Stirpe Sancti Arnulfi names "Loreta filia comitis de Los" as wife of "Theobaldus comes de Monceons"[194]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Loretam filiam comitis Ludovici, sororem comitis Geraudi Losensis dyocesis Leodiensis" as first wife of "comes Barri Theobaldus"[195]. The primary source which confirms her first marriage has not yet been identified. Heiress of Longwy.
"m secondly (1189, divorced [1195]) as her second husband, ERMESINDE de Brienne, widow of ANSEAU [II] Seigneur de Traînel, daughter of GUY Comte de Bar-sur-Seine [Brienne] & his wife Petronille-Elisabeth de Chacenay (-1211 or after). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Isabellam [presumably an error] relictam domini Anselli de Triangulo, sororis comitis de Barro super Sequanam et episcopi Manasse Lingonensis" as second wife of "comes Barri Theobaldus"[196]. "Ermancia domina de Traignel" judged a dispute by charter dated 1196[197]. "Ermansandis domina Trianguli" issued a charter dated 1200 relating to the wood of Coudroi[198].
"m thirdly (1197) as her first husband, ERMENSENDE de Namur Ctss de Luxembourg, daughter of HENRI "l'Aveugle" Comte de Luxembourg et de Namur & his second wife Agnes van Gelre (Jul 1186-17 Feb 1247). The Chronicon Hanoniense records the birth in Jul 1186 of "Ermensendem" daughter of "comes Namurcensis Henricus" and his wife Agnes[199]. The Chronicon Hanoniense records the betrothal in 1187 of "Ermensendis" and "comiti Campanensi Henrico"[200]. Her first betrothal was arranged by Comte Henri in order to guarantee a suitably strong protector for his daughter in light of his dispute with Baudouin V Comte de Hainaut regarding the eventual succession to his counties but the arrangement was discontinued after the 1190 imperial decision in favour of Comte Baudouin[201]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines in 1193 records the marriage of "Theobaldus comes Barrensis" and "filiam Henrici comitis ceci…Ermensendem"[202]. Her husband bought the counties of Luxembourg, Durbuy and Laroche, with the approval of Philipp King of Germany, and besieged Philippe Marquis de Namur in his castle at Namur, which forced the negotiation of the 1199 treaty of Dinant[203]. Under the treaty, signed 26 Jul 1199, Baudouin IX Count of Flanders and Hainaut inherited Namur, while Ermesinde retained Luxembourg, Durbuy, Laroche and that part of Namur which lay on the right bank of the river Meuse[204]. "Th. comes Barr et Luc" bequeathed his property to "uxori mee Ermens…filio meo Renaudo…filio meo Henrico…filie mee Elizabet", before leaving on crusade against the Albigeois, by charter dated 3 Apr 1211[205]. She married secondly ([Feb/May] 1214) as his second wife, Walram van Limburg, who succeeded in 1221 as Walram III Duke of Limburg. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "seniori Walerano filio Henrici" as second husband of "Ermensende filia Henrici ceci comitis Namucensis"[206]. "
Med Lands cites:
; Per Genealogy.EU (Bar): “D2. Cte Theobald I de Bar-Mousson, *ca 1158, +13.2.1214; 1m: 1176 Laurette von Looz (+1190/93); 2m: 1189 (div ca 1195) Ermesinde de Bar-sur-Seine (*by 1189 +ca 1211); 3m: 1197 Cts Ermesinde de Luxemburg (*1186 +1247)”.13
Reference: Genealogics cites:
; Per Med Lands: "LAURETTE (-before 1184). The Genealogica ex Stirpe Sancti Arnulfi names "Loreta filia comitis de Los" as wife of "Theobaldus comes de Monceons"[887]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Loretam filiam comitis Ludovici, sororem comitis Geraudi Losensis dyocesis Leodiensis" as first wife of "comes Barri Theobaldus"[888]. The primary source which confirms her first marriage has not yet been identified. Heiress of Longwy. m firstly (divorced 1174) GILLES Comte de Duras, de Montaigu et de Clermont, son of GODEFROI Comte de Montaigu, de Clermont et de Duras & his wife Juliane de Duras (-before 1193). m secondly ([1176]) as his first wife, THIBAUT de Bar Seigneur de Briey, Steinay and Longwy, son of RENAUD II Comte de Bar & his wife Agnes de Blois ([1160]-12/13 Feb 1214, bur Saint-Mihiel). He succeeded his brother in 1190 as THIBAUT I Comte de Bar."
Med Lands cites:
;
Her 1st husband.2,3,7,8 Laurette/Adelheid (?) von Looz, Dame de Longwy and Gilles (?) comte de Duras, Montaigu et Clermont were divorced in 1174.2,3,7 Laurette/Adelheid (?) von Looz, Dame de Longwy married Thibault/Theobald I (Jean) (?) Comte de Bar-le-Duc, Mousson, Briey, Stenay, Longwy et Ligny, son of Renaud/Reinald II 'Le Jeune' (?) Comte de Bar, Mousson et Brie and Agnès de Blois de Champagne, dame de Ligny-en-Barrois, circa 1176
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Her 2nd husband; his 1st wife.1,9,2,3,7,10,11
Laurette/Adelheid (?) von Looz, Dame de Longwy died before 1184.2,3,7
; Per Racines et Histoire (Bar): “(Jean) Thibaud 1er de Bar ° ~1158/60 + 12-13/02/1214 comte de Bar (1190), Mousson, Briey, Stenay, Longwy et Ligny ; achète Luxembourg, Durbuy et Laroche (1197), assiège Philippe, marquis de Namur dans Namur, obtient un traité favorable (Dinant, 1197), excommunié pour pillage des biens de l’Evêque de Metz, croisé en Albigeois
ép. 1) 1176 Laurette van Looz, héritière et dame de Longwy + avant 1184 (fille de Lodewijk 1er, graf van Looz en Rieneck, Stadgraf von Mainz, et d’Agnès de Metz ; divorcée de Gilles, comte de Duras, Montaigu et Clermont)
ép. 2) 1189 (div. 1195) Hermesende (alias Hermance) de Bar-sur-Seine) + 1212 ou peu après (fille de Gui 1er, comte de Bar-sur-Seine, et de Péronelle (Elisabeth) de Chacenay ou Chassenay ; veuve d’Anseau II, seigneur de Trainel)
ép. 3) 1197 Ermesinde de Luxembourg-Namur ° 07/1186 + 17/02/1247 comtesse de Luxembourg (fille d’Henri IV «L’Aveugle», comte de Luxembourg et de Namur ; ép. 2) 02 ou 05/1214 Walram IV van Limburg, duc de Limburg (1221))”.12
; Per Med Lands:
"JEAN [Thibaut] de Bar, son of RENAUD II Comte de Bar & his wife Agnes de Blois ([1160]-12/13 Feb 1214, bur Saint-Mihiel). The Genealogica ex Stirpe Sancti Arnulfi names "Theobaldus comes de Monceons…Henricum comitem de Bar et Rainaldum episcopum Carnotensem" as children of "Rainaldus frater Theoderici electi Metensis" & his wife[186]. “Henricus comes Barrensis” donated commission on sales of wine at Bar to Saint-Mihiel, with the consent of “Agnetis matris mee, Teobaldi fratris mei, Friderici de Bides”, by charter dated to [1172/89][187]. Seigneur de Briey, Stenay et de Longwy. He succeeded his brother in 1190 as THIBAUT I Comte de Bar. After his third marriage, he bought Luxembourg, Durbuy and Laroche with the approval of Philipp King of Germany, before besieging Philippe Marquis de Namur in his castle at Namur and forcing the 1199 Treaty of Dinant under which the disputed territories of Luxembourg, Durbuy and Laroche were confirmed to his wife[188]. Comte Thibaut was excommunicated after pillaging property of the bishop of Metz, and joined the Albigensian crusade of Simon de Montfort in southern France as a means of avoiding the penance of a pilgrimage to Palestine[189]. "Th. comes Barr et Luc" bequeathed his property to "uxori mee Ermens…filio meo Renaudo…filio meo Henrico…filie mee Elizabet", before leaving on crusade against the Albigeois, by charter dated 3 Apr 1211[190]. "Th. comes Barr et Luc" modified his earlier testament, after the death of "filius meus Renaudus et filiarum mearum altera", by charter dated Feb 1214[191]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records the death in 1214 of "comes Barri Theobaldus" and his burial next to his father "in abbatia sancti Michaelis"[192]. The necrology of Gorze records the death "II Id Feb" of "Theobaldus comes Barrensis"[193].
"m firstly ([1176]) as her second husband, LAURETTE de Looz, divorced wife of GILLES Comte de Duras, Montaigu et Clermont, daughter of LOUIS I Comte de Looz, Graf von Rieneck, Stadtgraf von Mainz & his wife Agnes von Metz (-before 1184). The Genealogica ex Stirpe Sancti Arnulfi names "Loreta filia comitis de Los" as wife of "Theobaldus comes de Monceons"[194]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Loretam filiam comitis Ludovici, sororem comitis Geraudi Losensis dyocesis Leodiensis" as first wife of "comes Barri Theobaldus"[195]. The primary source which confirms her first marriage has not yet been identified. Heiress of Longwy.
"m secondly (1189, divorced [1195]) as her second husband, ERMESINDE de Brienne, widow of ANSEAU [II] Seigneur de Traînel, daughter of GUY Comte de Bar-sur-Seine [Brienne] & his wife Petronille-Elisabeth de Chacenay (-1211 or after). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Isabellam [presumably an error] relictam domini Anselli de Triangulo, sororis comitis de Barro super Sequanam et episcopi Manasse Lingonensis" as second wife of "comes Barri Theobaldus"[196]. "Ermancia domina de Traignel" judged a dispute by charter dated 1196[197]. "Ermansandis domina Trianguli" issued a charter dated 1200 relating to the wood of Coudroi[198].
"m thirdly (1197) as her first husband, ERMENSENDE de Namur Ctss de Luxembourg, daughter of HENRI "l'Aveugle" Comte de Luxembourg et de Namur & his second wife Agnes van Gelre (Jul 1186-17 Feb 1247). The Chronicon Hanoniense records the birth in Jul 1186 of "Ermensendem" daughter of "comes Namurcensis Henricus" and his wife Agnes[199]. The Chronicon Hanoniense records the betrothal in 1187 of "Ermensendis" and "comiti Campanensi Henrico"[200]. Her first betrothal was arranged by Comte Henri in order to guarantee a suitably strong protector for his daughter in light of his dispute with Baudouin V Comte de Hainaut regarding the eventual succession to his counties but the arrangement was discontinued after the 1190 imperial decision in favour of Comte Baudouin[201]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines in 1193 records the marriage of "Theobaldus comes Barrensis" and "filiam Henrici comitis ceci…Ermensendem"[202]. Her husband bought the counties of Luxembourg, Durbuy and Laroche, with the approval of Philipp King of Germany, and besieged Philippe Marquis de Namur in his castle at Namur, which forced the negotiation of the 1199 treaty of Dinant[203]. Under the treaty, signed 26 Jul 1199, Baudouin IX Count of Flanders and Hainaut inherited Namur, while Ermesinde retained Luxembourg, Durbuy, Laroche and that part of Namur which lay on the right bank of the river Meuse[204]. "Th. comes Barr et Luc" bequeathed his property to "uxori mee Ermens…filio meo Renaudo…filio meo Henrico…filie mee Elizabet", before leaving on crusade against the Albigeois, by charter dated 3 Apr 1211[205]. She married secondly ([Feb/May] 1214) as his second wife, Walram van Limburg, who succeeded in 1221 as Walram III Duke of Limburg. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "seniori Walerano filio Henrici" as second husband of "Ermensende filia Henrici ceci comitis Namucensis"[206]. "
Med Lands cites:
[186] Genealogica ex Stirpe Sancti Arnulfi descendentium Mettensis 3, MGH SS XXV, p. 383.
[187] Lesort (1909), 123, p. 382.
[188] Gade, J. A. (1951) Luxemburg in the Middle Ages (Leiden), p. 74.
[189] Gade (1951), p. 75.
[190] Lesort, A. (ed.) (1904) Les chartes du Clermontois conservées au musée Condé à Chantilly (1069-1352) (Paris) ("Chartes du Clermontois"), IV, p. 63.
[191] Chartes du Clermontois, VI, p. 68.
[192] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1214, MGH SS XXIII, p. 899.
[193] 'Obits mémorables tirés de nécrologes luxembourgeois, rémois et messins', Revue Mabillon VI (1910-1911), p. 269.
[194] Genealogica ex Stirpe Sancti Arnulfi descendentium Mettensis 3, MGH SS XXV, p. 383.
[195] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1214, MGH SS XXIII, p. 899.
[196] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1214, MGH SS XXIII, p. 899.
[197] Lalore, C. (ed.) (1878) Cartulaire de l'abbaye de Paraclet, Collection des principaux cartularies du diocèse de Troyes Tome II (Paris, Troyes) ("Paraclet"), 91, p. 115.
[198] Paraclet, 108, p. 128.
[199] Gisleberti Chronicon Hanoniense, MGH SS XXI, p. 550.
[200] Gisleberti Chronicon Hanoniense, MGH SS XXI, p. 552.
[201] Gade (1951), pp. 66 and 68.
[202] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1193, MGH SS XXIII, p. 870.
[203] Gade (1951), p. 74.
[204] Gade (1951), p. 74.
[205] Chartes du Clermontois, IV, p. 63.
[206] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1214, MGH SS XXIII, p. 899.11
[187] Lesort (1909), 123, p. 382.
[188] Gade, J. A. (1951) Luxemburg in the Middle Ages (Leiden), p. 74.
[189] Gade (1951), p. 75.
[190] Lesort, A. (ed.) (1904) Les chartes du Clermontois conservées au musée Condé à Chantilly (1069-1352) (Paris) ("Chartes du Clermontois"), IV, p. 63.
[191] Chartes du Clermontois, VI, p. 68.
[192] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1214, MGH SS XXIII, p. 899.
[193] 'Obits mémorables tirés de nécrologes luxembourgeois, rémois et messins', Revue Mabillon VI (1910-1911), p. 269.
[194] Genealogica ex Stirpe Sancti Arnulfi descendentium Mettensis 3, MGH SS XXV, p. 383.
[195] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1214, MGH SS XXIII, p. 899.
[196] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1214, MGH SS XXIII, p. 899.
[197] Lalore, C. (ed.) (1878) Cartulaire de l'abbaye de Paraclet, Collection des principaux cartularies du diocèse de Troyes Tome II (Paris, Troyes) ("Paraclet"), 91, p. 115.
[198] Paraclet, 108, p. 128.
[199] Gisleberti Chronicon Hanoniense, MGH SS XXI, p. 550.
[200] Gisleberti Chronicon Hanoniense, MGH SS XXI, p. 552.
[201] Gade (1951), pp. 66 and 68.
[202] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1193, MGH SS XXIII, p. 870.
[203] Gade (1951), p. 74.
[204] Gade (1951), p. 74.
[205] Chartes du Clermontois, IV, p. 63.
[206] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1214, MGH SS XXIII, p. 899.11
; Per Genealogy.EU (Bar): “D2. Cte Theobald I de Bar-Mousson, *ca 1158, +13.2.1214; 1m: 1176 Laurette von Looz (+1190/93); 2m: 1189 (div ca 1195) Ermesinde de Bar-sur-Seine (*by 1189 +ca 1211); 3m: 1197 Cts Ermesinde de Luxemburg (*1186 +1247)”.13
Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 6:60.
2. La Maison Ducale de Bar, Rupt-sur-Moselle, 1977. , Poull, Georges. 156.3
2. La Maison Ducale de Bar, Rupt-sur-Moselle, 1977. , Poull, Georges. 156.3
; Per Med Lands: "LAURETTE (-before 1184). The Genealogica ex Stirpe Sancti Arnulfi names "Loreta filia comitis de Los" as wife of "Theobaldus comes de Monceons"[887]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Loretam filiam comitis Ludovici, sororem comitis Geraudi Losensis dyocesis Leodiensis" as first wife of "comes Barri Theobaldus"[888]. The primary source which confirms her first marriage has not yet been identified. Heiress of Longwy. m firstly (divorced 1174) GILLES Comte de Duras, de Montaigu et de Clermont, son of GODEFROI Comte de Montaigu, de Clermont et de Duras & his wife Juliane de Duras (-before 1193). m secondly ([1176]) as his first wife, THIBAUT de Bar Seigneur de Briey, Steinay and Longwy, son of RENAUD II Comte de Bar & his wife Agnes de Blois ([1160]-12/13 Feb 1214, bur Saint-Mihiel). He succeeded his brother in 1190 as THIBAUT I Comte de Bar."
Med Lands cites:
[887] Genealogica ex Stirpe Sancti Arnulfi descendentium Mettensis 3, MGH SS XXV, p. 383.
[888] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1214, MGH SS XXIII, p. 899.7
[888] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1214, MGH SS XXIII, p. 899.7
Family | Thibault/Theobald I (Jean) (?) Comte de Bar-le-Duc, Mousson, Briey, Stenay, Longwy et Ligny b. bt 1158 - 1160, d. 13 Feb 1214 |
Child |
Citations
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Looz 2 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/small/looz2.html
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bar.pdf, p. 4. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Laurette de Looz: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026499&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ludwig I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106429&tree=LEO
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(LOWER)%20NOBILITY.htm#LudwigILoozdied1171B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Agnes von Metz: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00106430&tree=LEO
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(LOWER)%20NOBILITY.htm#LauretteLoozdiedbefore1184
- [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilles,_Count_of_Montaigu. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Bar 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/bar/bar1.html
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Thibaud I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026498&tree=LEO
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BAR.htm#ThibautIBardied1214
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Bar, p. 4: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bar.pdf
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Bar 1: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/bar/bar1.html#T1B
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Agnes/Thomasia de Bar: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026275&tree=LEO
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bar.pdf, p. 5.
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BAR.htm#AgnesBardied1226
Agnes/Thomassette de Bar dame d’Armance, Longwy et Stenay1,2,3,4
F, #57388, b. 1177, d. 19 June 1226
Father | Thibault/Theobald I (Jean) (?) Comte de Bar-le-Duc, Mousson, Briey, Stenay, Longwy et Ligny1,2,3,5,7,8 b. bt 1158 - 1160, d. 13 Feb 1214 |
Mother | Laurette/Adelheid (?) von Looz, Dame de Longwy1,3,4,5,6 b. bt 1150 - 1155, d. b 1184 |
Last Edited | 5 Nov 2020 |
Agnes/Thomassette de Bar dame d’Armance, Longwy et Stenay was born in 1177.3,4 She married Frederick/Ferri II «Le Jeune» (?) duc de Lorraine, son of Frederick I (?) Duke of Lorriane, Duke von Bitsch and Wierzchoslawa Ludmilla (?) of Poland, before July 1189.1,2,9,3,4
Agnes/Thomassette de Bar dame d’Armance, Longwy et Stenay died on 19 June 1226; Leo van de Pas says d. 21 Jun 1226; Genealogy.EU (Lorraine 11 page) says d. 19 Jun 1226.1,2,3,4
Agnes/Thomassette de Bar dame d’Armance, Longwy et Stenay lived at an unknown place ; Genealogics cites:
; Per Med Lands:
"AGNES de Bar ([1177]-19 Jun 1226, bur Abbaye de Beaupré). The Genealogica ex Stirpe Sancti Arnulfi names "Thomascetam" as daughter of "Theobaldus comes de Monceons" & his wife Laurette, and her husband "Friderici ducis Lotharingie"[207]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Agnetem Lotharingie ducissam" as daughter of "comes Barri Theobaldus" & his first wife[208]. Dame d'Amance, de Longwy et de Stenay. "Agnes ducissa Lotharingie" acknowledged having received "in feodo castellum de Sethenaio" [Stenay], which "pater meus Theobaldus bone memorie quondam comes Barrensis" held from "domino Henrico quondam comite Namurcensi et Lucemburgensi", from the comte de Luxembourg by charter dated 7 Jul 1222[209]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records the death in 1226 of "Agnes ducissa Lotharingie" and her burial "in abbatiam Belliprati"[210].
"m ([before mid-Jul 1189) FERRY de Lorraine, son of FERRY de Lorraine Seigneur de Bitsch [later FERRY I Duke of Lorraine] & his wife Wierchos?awa Ludmilla of Poland (-8/9 Oct 1213, bur Stürzelbronn)."
Med Lands cites:
; Per Med Lands:
"FERRY de Lorraine, son of FERRY I Duke of Lorraine & his wife Wierchos?awa Ludmilla of Poland (-[8/9] Oct 1213, bur Stulzbron Abbey). The Genealogica ex Stirpe Sancti Arnulfi names "Fridericum ducem Lotharingie" as son of "Fridericus…de Bittes"[195]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines in 1193 names "Fredericus filius Frederici de Bites" when recording that he obtained the duchy from "patrui sui ducis Symonis"[196]. “Henricus...Barrensis comes”, on leaving on crusade, granted privileges to the abbey of Sainte-Marie-aux-Bois relating to “curia...de Blanxiis” by charter dated 1180, witnessed by “Simon dux Lotharingiæ, Fidericus de Bites, Fridericus filius eius...”[197]. Seigneur d'Amance 1198. “Fridericus dominus de Bitch et Frid. juvenis filius eius” confirmed donations made by “dominus Dux” to Saint-Dié by charter dated 1203[198]. He succeeded his father as FERRY II Duke of Lorraine. He allied himself with Bertrand Bishop of Metz against his father-in-law Thibaut Comte de Bar. The latter attacked Lorraine, captured the castles of Vic and Prény in [1207], and Duke Ferry himself in Feb 1208. He was released 2 Nov 1208 in return for agreeing a treaty under which Lorraine was placed under the suzerainty of Bar[199]: the peace treaty between “dominum ducem Lotharingiæ Fridericum” and “Theobaldum comitem Barri et Luxemburgi”, dated 2 Nov 1208, in addition cancels the proposed marriage between “dux...filiam suum” and “filium Valteri de Vangionis rivo”[200]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records in 1208 that "dux de Nanceio Fredericus" attacked "terram monachorum Gorziensium" and "contra comitem Barrie eiusdem terre defensorem" but that "cui comes...III Non Feb" captured “ipsum ducem cum duobus fratribus suis, quotum unus Theodericus de Inferno dictus est” and held them captive for seven months until peace was restored[201]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records the death in 1213 of "dux Lotharingie Fredericus post festum Sancti Remigii"[202]. The Obituaire de Saint-Mansuy records the death "8 Oct" of "Fridericus dux"[203].
"m (before mid-Jul 1189) AGNES de Bar, Dame d'Amance, de Longwy et de Stenay, daughter of THIBAUT Comte de Bar & his first wife Laurette de Looz ([1177]-19 Jun 1226, bur Abbaye de Beaupré). The Genealogica ex Stirpe Sancti Arnulfi names "Thomascetam" as daughter of "Theobaldus comes de Monceons" & his wife Laurette, and her husband "Friderici ducis Lotharingie"[204]. The Gesta Episcoporum Mettensium refers to the wife of "Ferrico quondam duce Lothoringie de " as "sorore comitis Barrensis" when recording their son's installation as Bishop of Metz[205]. "Agnes ducissa Lotharingie" acknowledged having received "in feodo castellum de Sethenaio" [Stenay], which "pater meus Theobaldus bone memorie quondam comes Barrensis" held from "domino Henrico quondam comite Namurcensi et Lucemburgensi", from the comte de Luxembourg by charter dated 7 Jul 1222[206]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records the death in 1226 of "Agnes ducissa Lotharingie" and her burial "in abbatiam Belliprati"[207].
Med Lands cites:
Agnes/Thomassette de Bar dame d’Armance, Longwy et Stenay died on 19 June 1226; Leo van de Pas says d. 21 Jun 1226; Genealogy.EU (Lorraine 11 page) says d. 19 Jun 1226.1,2,3,4
Agnes/Thomassette de Bar dame d’Armance, Longwy et Stenay lived at an unknown place ; Genealogics cites:
1. Europäische Stammtafeln, Band I, Frank Baron Freytag von Loringhoven, 1975, Isenburg, W. K. Prinz von. Page 13.
2. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 6:147.
2. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 6:147.
; Per Med Lands:
"AGNES de Bar ([1177]-19 Jun 1226, bur Abbaye de Beaupré). The Genealogica ex Stirpe Sancti Arnulfi names "Thomascetam" as daughter of "Theobaldus comes de Monceons" & his wife Laurette, and her husband "Friderici ducis Lotharingie"[207]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Agnetem Lotharingie ducissam" as daughter of "comes Barri Theobaldus" & his first wife[208]. Dame d'Amance, de Longwy et de Stenay. "Agnes ducissa Lotharingie" acknowledged having received "in feodo castellum de Sethenaio" [Stenay], which "pater meus Theobaldus bone memorie quondam comes Barrensis" held from "domino Henrico quondam comite Namurcensi et Lucemburgensi", from the comte de Luxembourg by charter dated 7 Jul 1222[209]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records the death in 1226 of "Agnes ducissa Lotharingie" and her burial "in abbatiam Belliprati"[210].
"m ([before mid-Jul 1189) FERRY de Lorraine, son of FERRY de Lorraine Seigneur de Bitsch [later FERRY I Duke of Lorraine] & his wife Wierchos?awa Ludmilla of Poland (-8/9 Oct 1213, bur Stürzelbronn)."
Med Lands cites:
[207] Genealogica ex Stirpe Sancti Arnulfi descendentium Mettensis 3, MGH SS XXV, p. 383.
[208] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1214, MGH SS XXIII, p. 899.
[209] Chartes du Clermontois, VII, p. 69.
[210] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1226, MGH SS XXIII, p. 918.5
[208] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1214, MGH SS XXIII, p. 899.
[209] Chartes du Clermontois, VII, p. 69.
[210] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1226, MGH SS XXIII, p. 918.5
; Per Med Lands:
"FERRY de Lorraine, son of FERRY I Duke of Lorraine & his wife Wierchos?awa Ludmilla of Poland (-[8/9] Oct 1213, bur Stulzbron Abbey). The Genealogica ex Stirpe Sancti Arnulfi names "Fridericum ducem Lotharingie" as son of "Fridericus…de Bittes"[195]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines in 1193 names "Fredericus filius Frederici de Bites" when recording that he obtained the duchy from "patrui sui ducis Symonis"[196]. “Henricus...Barrensis comes”, on leaving on crusade, granted privileges to the abbey of Sainte-Marie-aux-Bois relating to “curia...de Blanxiis” by charter dated 1180, witnessed by “Simon dux Lotharingiæ, Fidericus de Bites, Fridericus filius eius...”[197]. Seigneur d'Amance 1198. “Fridericus dominus de Bitch et Frid. juvenis filius eius” confirmed donations made by “dominus Dux” to Saint-Dié by charter dated 1203[198]. He succeeded his father as FERRY II Duke of Lorraine. He allied himself with Bertrand Bishop of Metz against his father-in-law Thibaut Comte de Bar. The latter attacked Lorraine, captured the castles of Vic and Prény in [1207], and Duke Ferry himself in Feb 1208. He was released 2 Nov 1208 in return for agreeing a treaty under which Lorraine was placed under the suzerainty of Bar[199]: the peace treaty between “dominum ducem Lotharingiæ Fridericum” and “Theobaldum comitem Barri et Luxemburgi”, dated 2 Nov 1208, in addition cancels the proposed marriage between “dux...filiam suum” and “filium Valteri de Vangionis rivo”[200]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records in 1208 that "dux de Nanceio Fredericus" attacked "terram monachorum Gorziensium" and "contra comitem Barrie eiusdem terre defensorem" but that "cui comes...III Non Feb" captured “ipsum ducem cum duobus fratribus suis, quotum unus Theodericus de Inferno dictus est” and held them captive for seven months until peace was restored[201]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records the death in 1213 of "dux Lotharingie Fredericus post festum Sancti Remigii"[202]. The Obituaire de Saint-Mansuy records the death "8 Oct" of "Fridericus dux"[203].
"m (before mid-Jul 1189) AGNES de Bar, Dame d'Amance, de Longwy et de Stenay, daughter of THIBAUT Comte de Bar & his first wife Laurette de Looz ([1177]-19 Jun 1226, bur Abbaye de Beaupré). The Genealogica ex Stirpe Sancti Arnulfi names "Thomascetam" as daughter of "Theobaldus comes de Monceons" & his wife Laurette, and her husband "Friderici ducis Lotharingie"[204]. The Gesta Episcoporum Mettensium refers to the wife of "Ferrico quondam duce Lothoringie de " as "sorore comitis Barrensis" when recording their son's installation as Bishop of Metz[205]. "Agnes ducissa Lotharingie" acknowledged having received "in feodo castellum de Sethenaio" [Stenay], which "pater meus Theobaldus bone memorie quondam comes Barrensis" held from "domino Henrico quondam comite Namurcensi et Lucemburgensi", from the comte de Luxembourg by charter dated 7 Jul 1222[206]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records the death in 1226 of "Agnes ducissa Lotharingie" and her burial "in abbatiam Belliprati"[207].
Med Lands cites:
[195] Genealogica ex Stirpe Sancti Arnulfi descendentium Mettensis 4, MGH SS XXV, p. 383.
[196] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1193, MGH SS XXIII, p. 870.
[197] Calmet (1757), Tome VI, Preuves, col. xliii.
[198] Calmet (1728), Tome II, Preuves, col. ccccxiv.
[199] Poull (1991), pp. 52-3.
[200] Calmet (1757), Tome VI, Preuves, col. lxxvi.
[201] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1208, MGH SS XXIII, p. 888.
[202] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1213, MGH SS XXIII, p. 899.
[203] Mavot, P. 'L'obituaire de l'abbaye de Saint-Mansuy-lès-Toul', Revue Mabillon XIX 1929, p. 50.
[204] Genealogica ex Stirpe Sancti Arnulfi descendentium Mettensis 3, MGH SS XXV, p. 383.
[205] Gesta Episcoporum Mettensium (Continuatio II) 3, MGH SS X, p. 549.
[206] Lesort, A. (ed.) (1904) Les chartes du Clermontois conservées au musée Condé à Chantilly (1069-1352) (Paris) ("Chartes du Clermontois"), VII, p. 69.
[207] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1226, MGH SS XXIII, p. 918.10
[196] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1193, MGH SS XXIII, p. 870.
[197] Calmet (1757), Tome VI, Preuves, col. xliii.
[198] Calmet (1728), Tome II, Preuves, col. ccccxiv.
[199] Poull (1991), pp. 52-3.
[200] Calmet (1757), Tome VI, Preuves, col. lxxvi.
[201] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1208, MGH SS XXIII, p. 888.
[202] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1213, MGH SS XXIII, p. 899.
[203] Mavot, P. 'L'obituaire de l'abbaye de Saint-Mansuy-lès-Toul', Revue Mabillon XIX 1929, p. 50.
[204] Genealogica ex Stirpe Sancti Arnulfi descendentium Mettensis 3, MGH SS XXV, p. 383.
[205] Gesta Episcoporum Mettensium (Continuatio II) 3, MGH SS X, p. 549.
[206] Lesort, A. (ed.) (1904) Les chartes du Clermontois conservées au musée Condé à Chantilly (1069-1352) (Paris) ("Chartes du Clermontois"), VII, p. 69.
[207] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1226, MGH SS XXIII, p. 918.10
Family | Frederick/Ferri II «Le Jeune» (?) duc de Lorraine b. c 1172, d. 10 Oct 1213 |
Children |
|
Citations
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Bar 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/bar/bar1.html
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Lorraine 11 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/lorraine/lorraine11.html
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Agnes/Thomasia de Bar: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026275&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bar.pdf, p. 5. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BAR.htm#AgnesBardied1226. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Laurette de Looz: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026499&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Thibaud I: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026498&tree=LEO
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Bar, p. 5: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bar.pdf
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Frédéric II: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026274&tree=LEO
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LORRAINE.htm#FerryIIdied1213
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mathieu II: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026276&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Laurette de Lorraine: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026416&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Thibault I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026280&tree=LEO
- [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theobald_I,_Duke_of_Lorraine. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Alix (Bertha) de Lorraine: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174728&tree=LEO
Frederick/Ferri II «Le Jeune» (?) duc de Lorraine1,2,3,4
M, #57389, b. circa 1172, d. 10 October 1213
Father | Frederick I (?) Duke of Lorriane, Duke von Bitsch6,2,3,4 b. c 1143, d. 7 Apr 1206 |
Mother | Wierzchoslawa Ludmilla (?) of Poland5,2,3,4 b. c 1150, d. 1223 |
Last Edited | 5 Nov 2020 |
Frederick/Ferri II «Le Jeune» (?) duc de Lorraine was born circa 1172.7 He married Agnes/Thomassette de Bar dame d’Armance, Longwy et Stenay, daughter of Thibault/Theobald I (Jean) (?) Comte de Bar-le-Duc, Mousson, Briey, Stenay, Longwy et Ligny and Laurette/Adelheid (?) von Looz, Dame de Longwy, before July 1189.1,2,3,8,4
Frederick/Ferri II «Le Jeune» (?) duc de Lorraine died on 10 October 1213; Genealogics says d. 10 Oct 1213; Med Lands says d. 8/9 Oct 1213.1,2,3,4,9
Frederick/Ferri II «Le Jeune» (?) duc de Lorraine was buried after 10 October 1213 at Cistercian Abbey, Sturzelbronn, Departement de la Moselle, Lorraine, France; From Find A Grave:
BIRTH unknown
DEATH 9 Oct 1213
Seigneur d'Amance until he succeeded his father in 1206 as Duke of Lorraine. Son of Ferry de Lorraine by his wife Wierchos?awa Ludmilla, daughter of Mieszko III, Prince of Poland, by his first wife Erszebet of Hungary.
Family Members
Parents
Ferry de Lorraine unknown–1206
Spouse
Agnes de Bar 1177–1226
Siblings
Jutta de Lorraine von Salm
Children
Alix de Lorraine von Kyburg unknown–1242
Jacques de Lorraine unknown–1260
Thibaud I de Lorraine 1190–1220
Mathieu de Lorraine 1195–1251
BURIAL Cistercian Abbey, Sturzelbronn, Departement de la Moselle, Lorraine, France
Created by: Todd Whitesides
Added: 21 Feb 2015
Find A Grave Memorial 142884363.10
; Per Med Lands:
"AGNES de Bar ([1177]-19 Jun 1226, bur Abbaye de Beaupré). The Genealogica ex Stirpe Sancti Arnulfi names "Thomascetam" as daughter of "Theobaldus comes de Monceons" & his wife Laurette, and her husband "Friderici ducis Lotharingie"[207]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Agnetem Lotharingie ducissam" as daughter of "comes Barri Theobaldus" & his first wife[208]. Dame d'Amance, de Longwy et de Stenay. "Agnes ducissa Lotharingie" acknowledged having received "in feodo castellum de Sethenaio" [Stenay], which "pater meus Theobaldus bone memorie quondam comes Barrensis" held from "domino Henrico quondam comite Namurcensi et Lucemburgensi", from the comte de Luxembourg by charter dated 7 Jul 1222[209]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records the death in 1226 of "Agnes ducissa Lotharingie" and her burial "in abbatiam Belliprati"[210].
"m ([before mid-Jul 1189) FERRY de Lorraine, son of FERRY de Lorraine Seigneur de Bitsch [later FERRY I Duke of Lorraine] & his wife Wierchos?awa Ludmilla of Poland (-8/9 Oct 1213, bur Stürzelbronn)."
Med Lands cites:
Reference: Genealogics cites: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: I 13.7
; Per Genealogics:
"Frédéric II was the son of Frédéric I, duke of Lorraine, and Ludmilla of Poland, daughter of Mieszko III, duke of Poland, and Elisabeth of Hungary. In 1179 a three-year civil war ended in Lorraine and Duke Simon II, brother of Frédéric I, was forced to agree to the Treaty of Ribemont whereby Lorraine was divided, the northern, German-favouring half going to Frédéric I and the southern, French-favouring half to Simon, who had tried to appease his brother by giving him the county of Bitche. Simon designated Frédéric I's son Frédéric II as his heir and abdicated in 1205. Frédéric I was acclaimed duke, but he died the next year. His son succeeded him and the duchy was reunited.
"In 1188 Frédéric II married Agnes/Thomasia de Bar, daughter of Thibaud I, Comte de Bar et Luxembourg and his first wife Laurette de Looz, Dame de Longwy. Frédéric and Agnes had seven children, of whom three - Mathieu II, Laurette and Alix - would have progeny.
"Through his marriage, Frédéric received the lands of Amance, Longwy and Stenay. In a war against his father-in-law he was defeated in 1208, and was captured and imprisoned for seven months. To obtain his freedom he relinquished those lands.
"In 1197 Frédéric had supported the candidature of Philipp von Hohenstaufen, youngest son of Emperor Friedrich I Barbarossa, for the kingship of Germany and the Holy Roman Empire, but after Philipp's murder in 1208 he moved over to the side of Duke Otto IV of Brunswick. When Otto was excommunicated in 1211, Frédéric finally transferred his support to the Hohenstaufen heir Friedrich, son of Emperor Heinrich VI, who became Emperor Friedrich II.
"Frédéric died on 10 October 1216. His wife Agnes outlived him by almost a decade, and died on 19 June 1226."7
; Per Wikipedia:
"Frederick II (died 10 October 1213) was the duke of Lorraine from 7 April 1206 to his death, son of Frederick I and Ludmilla, daughter of Mieszko III the Old, monarch of Poland from the Piast Dynasty.
"In 1179, a three-year civil war ended in Lorraine and Duke Simon II was forced to agree to the Treaty of Ribemont, whereby Lorrain was divided: the northern, germanophone half going to Simon's brother Frederick and the southern, francophone half to Simon, who had tried to appease Frederick by giving him the county of Bitche. Simon designated Frederick's son, Frederick, as his heir and abdicated in 1205. Nonetheless, Frederick was acclaimed duke, but died the next year. His son succeeded him and the duchy was completely reunited.
"By his 1188 marriage to Agnes of Bar (died 19 June 1226), he received the lands of Amance, Longwy, and Stenay. He entered into a war with his father-in-law, Theobald I of Bar, and was defeated in 1208, being captured and imprisoned for seven months. To obtain his freedom, he relinquished the cities.
"In 1197, he had supported Duke Philip of Swabia's candidature for the kingship of Germany and the Holy Roman Empire, but, after Philip's death in 1208, he moved over to the side of Duke Otto of Brunswick, upon whose excommunication in 1211, he finally transferred his support to the Hohenstaufen heir, Frederick I of Sicily.
Family
"By his marriage to Agnes, the daughter of Theobald I, Count of Bar and Laurette de Looz, he had:
** Theobald (d.1220), his successor in Lorraine
** Matthias (d.1251), his brother, successor in Lorraine
** Reginald (d.1274), count of Blieskastel
** Alice, countess of Ormes, married firstly Werner (d.1228), count of Kirbourg, and secondly, in 1229, Walter, lord of Vignory
** Lauretta, married Simon III, Count of Saarbrücken, in 1226
** Jacob (d.1260), bishop of Metz
Enumeration
"His name in French is Ferry or Ferri, the diminutive of Frederick (French: Frédéric). The name Frederick was held by three dukes of a different house in the tenth and eleventh centuries. This, and the confusing succession to his uncle, has caused much confusion over his proper ordinal. If only the dukes of his house, those named Ferry, are counted, he is:
** Frederick I, as the first rightful ruler of his line, by his uncle's designation
** Frederick II, as the successor, in fact, to his father, Frederick I
"If the previous dukes are counted, he could be:
** Frederick III, as the other Frederick II was only a co-ruler
** Frederick IV, if his father is counted
** Frederick V, if all dukes, reigning and acclaimed, are counted, including both Frederick II of the older house and his father
"To most historians, he is Frederick II, because to French historians, he is Ferry II."12
; Per Genealogy.EU: "Duke Frederick II of Lorraine (1206-13), +10.10.1213; m.1188 Agnes of Bar (+19.6.1226) dau.of Ct Theobald of Bar."2
Frederick/Ferri II «Le Jeune» (?) duc de Lorraine was also known as Ferry II (?) Duc de Lorraine.9 Frederick/Ferri II «Le Jeune» (?) duc de Lorraine was also known as Frédéric II (?) Duke of Lorraine.3
; Per Med Lands:
"FERRY de Lorraine, son of FERRY I Duke of Lorraine & his wife Wierchos?awa Ludmilla of Poland (-[8/9] Oct 1213, bur Stulzbron Abbey). The Genealogica ex Stirpe Sancti Arnulfi names "Fridericum ducem Lotharingie" as son of "Fridericus…de Bittes"[195]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines in 1193 names "Fredericus filius Frederici de Bites" when recording that he obtained the duchy from "patrui sui ducis Symonis"[196]. “Henricus...Barrensis comes”, on leaving on crusade, granted privileges to the abbey of Sainte-Marie-aux-Bois relating to “curia...de Blanxiis” by charter dated 1180, witnessed by “Simon dux Lotharingiæ, Fidericus de Bites, Fridericus filius eius...”[197]. Seigneur d'Amance 1198. “Fridericus dominus de Bitch et Frid. juvenis filius eius” confirmed donations made by “dominus Dux” to Saint-Dié by charter dated 1203[198]. He succeeded his father as FERRY II Duke of Lorraine. He allied himself with Bertrand Bishop of Metz against his father-in-law Thibaut Comte de Bar. The latter attacked Lorraine, captured the castles of Vic and Prény in [1207], and Duke Ferry himself in Feb 1208. He was released 2 Nov 1208 in return for agreeing a treaty under which Lorraine was placed under the suzerainty of Bar[199]: the peace treaty between “dominum ducem Lotharingiæ Fridericum” and “Theobaldum comitem Barri et Luxemburgi”, dated 2 Nov 1208, in addition cancels the proposed marriage between “dux...filiam suum” and “filium Valteri de Vangionis rivo”[200]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records in 1208 that "dux de Nanceio Fredericus" attacked "terram monachorum Gorziensium" and "contra comitem Barrie eiusdem terre defensorem" but that "cui comes...III Non Feb" captured “ipsum ducem cum duobus fratribus suis, quotum unus Theodericus de Inferno dictus est” and held them captive for seven months until peace was restored[201]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records the death in 1213 of "dux Lotharingie Fredericus post festum Sancti Remigii"[202]. The Obituaire de Saint-Mansuy records the death "8 Oct" of "Fridericus dux"[203].
"m (before mid-Jul 1189) AGNES de Bar, Dame d'Amance, de Longwy et de Stenay, daughter of THIBAUT Comte de Bar & his first wife Laurette de Looz ([1177]-19 Jun 1226, bur Abbaye de Beaupré). The Genealogica ex Stirpe Sancti Arnulfi names "Thomascetam" as daughter of "Theobaldus comes de Monceons" & his wife Laurette, and her husband "Friderici ducis Lotharingie"[204]. The Gesta Episcoporum Mettensium refers to the wife of "Ferrico quondam duce Lothoringie de " as "sorore comitis Barrensis" when recording their son's installation as Bishop of Metz[205]. "Agnes ducissa Lotharingie" acknowledged having received "in feodo castellum de Sethenaio" [Stenay], which "pater meus Theobaldus bone memorie quondam comes Barrensis" held from "domino Henrico quondam comite Namurcensi et Lucemburgensi", from the comte de Luxembourg by charter dated 7 Jul 1222[206]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records the death in 1226 of "Agnes ducissa Lotharingie" and her burial "in abbatiam Belliprati"[207].
Med Lands cites:
Frederick/Ferri II «Le Jeune» (?) duc de Lorraine died on 10 October 1213; Genealogics says d. 10 Oct 1213; Med Lands says d. 8/9 Oct 1213.1,2,3,4,9
Frederick/Ferri II «Le Jeune» (?) duc de Lorraine was buried after 10 October 1213 at Cistercian Abbey, Sturzelbronn, Departement de la Moselle, Lorraine, France; From Find A Grave:
BIRTH unknown
DEATH 9 Oct 1213
Seigneur d'Amance until he succeeded his father in 1206 as Duke of Lorraine. Son of Ferry de Lorraine by his wife Wierchos?awa Ludmilla, daughter of Mieszko III, Prince of Poland, by his first wife Erszebet of Hungary.
Family Members
Parents
Ferry de Lorraine unknown–1206
Spouse
Agnes de Bar 1177–1226
Siblings
Jutta de Lorraine von Salm
Children
Alix de Lorraine von Kyburg unknown–1242
Jacques de Lorraine unknown–1260
Thibaud I de Lorraine 1190–1220
Mathieu de Lorraine 1195–1251
BURIAL Cistercian Abbey, Sturzelbronn, Departement de la Moselle, Lorraine, France
Created by: Todd Whitesides
Added: 21 Feb 2015
Find A Grave Memorial 142884363.10
; Per Med Lands:
"AGNES de Bar ([1177]-19 Jun 1226, bur Abbaye de Beaupré). The Genealogica ex Stirpe Sancti Arnulfi names "Thomascetam" as daughter of "Theobaldus comes de Monceons" & his wife Laurette, and her husband "Friderici ducis Lotharingie"[207]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Agnetem Lotharingie ducissam" as daughter of "comes Barri Theobaldus" & his first wife[208]. Dame d'Amance, de Longwy et de Stenay. "Agnes ducissa Lotharingie" acknowledged having received "in feodo castellum de Sethenaio" [Stenay], which "pater meus Theobaldus bone memorie quondam comes Barrensis" held from "domino Henrico quondam comite Namurcensi et Lucemburgensi", from the comte de Luxembourg by charter dated 7 Jul 1222[209]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records the death in 1226 of "Agnes ducissa Lotharingie" and her burial "in abbatiam Belliprati"[210].
"m ([before mid-Jul 1189) FERRY de Lorraine, son of FERRY de Lorraine Seigneur de Bitsch [later FERRY I Duke of Lorraine] & his wife Wierchos?awa Ludmilla of Poland (-8/9 Oct 1213, bur Stürzelbronn)."
Med Lands cites:
[207] Genealogica ex Stirpe Sancti Arnulfi descendentium Mettensis 3, MGH SS XXV, p. 383.
[208] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1214, MGH SS XXIII, p. 899.
[209] Chartes du Clermontois, VII, p. 69.
[210] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1226, MGH SS XXIII, p. 918.11
[208] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1214, MGH SS XXIII, p. 899.
[209] Chartes du Clermontois, VII, p. 69.
[210] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1226, MGH SS XXIII, p. 918.11
Reference: Genealogics cites: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: I 13.7
; Per Genealogics:
"Frédéric II was the son of Frédéric I, duke of Lorraine, and Ludmilla of Poland, daughter of Mieszko III, duke of Poland, and Elisabeth of Hungary. In 1179 a three-year civil war ended in Lorraine and Duke Simon II, brother of Frédéric I, was forced to agree to the Treaty of Ribemont whereby Lorraine was divided, the northern, German-favouring half going to Frédéric I and the southern, French-favouring half to Simon, who had tried to appease his brother by giving him the county of Bitche. Simon designated Frédéric I's son Frédéric II as his heir and abdicated in 1205. Frédéric I was acclaimed duke, but he died the next year. His son succeeded him and the duchy was reunited.
"In 1188 Frédéric II married Agnes/Thomasia de Bar, daughter of Thibaud I, Comte de Bar et Luxembourg and his first wife Laurette de Looz, Dame de Longwy. Frédéric and Agnes had seven children, of whom three - Mathieu II, Laurette and Alix - would have progeny.
"Through his marriage, Frédéric received the lands of Amance, Longwy and Stenay. In a war against his father-in-law he was defeated in 1208, and was captured and imprisoned for seven months. To obtain his freedom he relinquished those lands.
"In 1197 Frédéric had supported the candidature of Philipp von Hohenstaufen, youngest son of Emperor Friedrich I Barbarossa, for the kingship of Germany and the Holy Roman Empire, but after Philipp's murder in 1208 he moved over to the side of Duke Otto IV of Brunswick. When Otto was excommunicated in 1211, Frédéric finally transferred his support to the Hohenstaufen heir Friedrich, son of Emperor Heinrich VI, who became Emperor Friedrich II.
"Frédéric died on 10 October 1216. His wife Agnes outlived him by almost a decade, and died on 19 June 1226."7
; Per Wikipedia:
"Frederick II (died 10 October 1213) was the duke of Lorraine from 7 April 1206 to his death, son of Frederick I and Ludmilla, daughter of Mieszko III the Old, monarch of Poland from the Piast Dynasty.
"In 1179, a three-year civil war ended in Lorraine and Duke Simon II was forced to agree to the Treaty of Ribemont, whereby Lorrain was divided: the northern, germanophone half going to Simon's brother Frederick and the southern, francophone half to Simon, who had tried to appease Frederick by giving him the county of Bitche. Simon designated Frederick's son, Frederick, as his heir and abdicated in 1205. Nonetheless, Frederick was acclaimed duke, but died the next year. His son succeeded him and the duchy was completely reunited.
"By his 1188 marriage to Agnes of Bar (died 19 June 1226), he received the lands of Amance, Longwy, and Stenay. He entered into a war with his father-in-law, Theobald I of Bar, and was defeated in 1208, being captured and imprisoned for seven months. To obtain his freedom, he relinquished the cities.
"In 1197, he had supported Duke Philip of Swabia's candidature for the kingship of Germany and the Holy Roman Empire, but, after Philip's death in 1208, he moved over to the side of Duke Otto of Brunswick, upon whose excommunication in 1211, he finally transferred his support to the Hohenstaufen heir, Frederick I of Sicily.
Family
"By his marriage to Agnes, the daughter of Theobald I, Count of Bar and Laurette de Looz, he had:
** Theobald (d.1220), his successor in Lorraine
** Matthias (d.1251), his brother, successor in Lorraine
** Reginald (d.1274), count of Blieskastel
** Alice, countess of Ormes, married firstly Werner (d.1228), count of Kirbourg, and secondly, in 1229, Walter, lord of Vignory
** Lauretta, married Simon III, Count of Saarbrücken, in 1226
** Jacob (d.1260), bishop of Metz
Enumeration
"His name in French is Ferry or Ferri, the diminutive of Frederick (French: Frédéric). The name Frederick was held by three dukes of a different house in the tenth and eleventh centuries. This, and the confusing succession to his uncle, has caused much confusion over his proper ordinal. If only the dukes of his house, those named Ferry, are counted, he is:
** Frederick I, as the first rightful ruler of his line, by his uncle's designation
** Frederick II, as the successor, in fact, to his father, Frederick I
"If the previous dukes are counted, he could be:
** Frederick III, as the other Frederick II was only a co-ruler
** Frederick IV, if his father is counted
** Frederick V, if all dukes, reigning and acclaimed, are counted, including both Frederick II of the older house and his father
"To most historians, he is Frederick II, because to French historians, he is Ferry II."12
; Per Genealogy.EU: "Duke Frederick II of Lorraine (1206-13), +10.10.1213; m.1188 Agnes of Bar (+19.6.1226) dau.of Ct Theobald of Bar."2
Frederick/Ferri II «Le Jeune» (?) duc de Lorraine was also known as Ferry II (?) Duc de Lorraine.9 Frederick/Ferri II «Le Jeune» (?) duc de Lorraine was also known as Frédéric II (?) Duke of Lorraine.3
; Per Med Lands:
"FERRY de Lorraine, son of FERRY I Duke of Lorraine & his wife Wierchos?awa Ludmilla of Poland (-[8/9] Oct 1213, bur Stulzbron Abbey). The Genealogica ex Stirpe Sancti Arnulfi names "Fridericum ducem Lotharingie" as son of "Fridericus…de Bittes"[195]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines in 1193 names "Fredericus filius Frederici de Bites" when recording that he obtained the duchy from "patrui sui ducis Symonis"[196]. “Henricus...Barrensis comes”, on leaving on crusade, granted privileges to the abbey of Sainte-Marie-aux-Bois relating to “curia...de Blanxiis” by charter dated 1180, witnessed by “Simon dux Lotharingiæ, Fidericus de Bites, Fridericus filius eius...”[197]. Seigneur d'Amance 1198. “Fridericus dominus de Bitch et Frid. juvenis filius eius” confirmed donations made by “dominus Dux” to Saint-Dié by charter dated 1203[198]. He succeeded his father as FERRY II Duke of Lorraine. He allied himself with Bertrand Bishop of Metz against his father-in-law Thibaut Comte de Bar. The latter attacked Lorraine, captured the castles of Vic and Prény in [1207], and Duke Ferry himself in Feb 1208. He was released 2 Nov 1208 in return for agreeing a treaty under which Lorraine was placed under the suzerainty of Bar[199]: the peace treaty between “dominum ducem Lotharingiæ Fridericum” and “Theobaldum comitem Barri et Luxemburgi”, dated 2 Nov 1208, in addition cancels the proposed marriage between “dux...filiam suum” and “filium Valteri de Vangionis rivo”[200]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records in 1208 that "dux de Nanceio Fredericus" attacked "terram monachorum Gorziensium" and "contra comitem Barrie eiusdem terre defensorem" but that "cui comes...III Non Feb" captured “ipsum ducem cum duobus fratribus suis, quotum unus Theodericus de Inferno dictus est” and held them captive for seven months until peace was restored[201]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records the death in 1213 of "dux Lotharingie Fredericus post festum Sancti Remigii"[202]. The Obituaire de Saint-Mansuy records the death "8 Oct" of "Fridericus dux"[203].
"m (before mid-Jul 1189) AGNES de Bar, Dame d'Amance, de Longwy et de Stenay, daughter of THIBAUT Comte de Bar & his first wife Laurette de Looz ([1177]-19 Jun 1226, bur Abbaye de Beaupré). The Genealogica ex Stirpe Sancti Arnulfi names "Thomascetam" as daughter of "Theobaldus comes de Monceons" & his wife Laurette, and her husband "Friderici ducis Lotharingie"[204]. The Gesta Episcoporum Mettensium refers to the wife of "Ferrico quondam duce Lothoringie de " as "sorore comitis Barrensis" when recording their son's installation as Bishop of Metz[205]. "Agnes ducissa Lotharingie" acknowledged having received "in feodo castellum de Sethenaio" [Stenay], which "pater meus Theobaldus bone memorie quondam comes Barrensis" held from "domino Henrico quondam comite Namurcensi et Lucemburgensi", from the comte de Luxembourg by charter dated 7 Jul 1222[206]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records the death in 1226 of "Agnes ducissa Lotharingie" and her burial "in abbatiam Belliprati"[207].
Med Lands cites:
[195] Genealogica ex Stirpe Sancti Arnulfi descendentium Mettensis 4, MGH SS XXV, p. 383.
[196] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1193, MGH SS XXIII, p. 870.
[197] Calmet (1757), Tome VI, Preuves, col. xliii.
[198] Calmet (1728), Tome II, Preuves, col. ccccxiv.
[199] Poull (1991), pp. 52-3.
[200] Calmet (1757), Tome VI, Preuves, col. lxxvi.
[201] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1208, MGH SS XXIII, p. 888.
[202] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1213, MGH SS XXIII, p. 899.
[203] Mavot, P. 'L'obituaire de l'abbaye de Saint-Mansuy-lès-Toul', Revue Mabillon XIX 1929, p. 50.
[204] Genealogica ex Stirpe Sancti Arnulfi descendentium Mettensis 3, MGH SS XXV, p. 383.
[205] Gesta Episcoporum Mettensium (Continuatio II) 3, MGH SS X, p. 549.
[206] Lesort, A. (ed.) (1904) Les chartes du Clermontois conservées au musée Condé à Chantilly (1069-1352) (Paris) ("Chartes du Clermontois"), VII, p. 69.
[207] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1226, MGH SS XXIII, p. 918.9
He was Duc de Lorraine between 1206 and 1213.2,12[196] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1193, MGH SS XXIII, p. 870.
[197] Calmet (1757), Tome VI, Preuves, col. xliii.
[198] Calmet (1728), Tome II, Preuves, col. ccccxiv.
[199] Poull (1991), pp. 52-3.
[200] Calmet (1757), Tome VI, Preuves, col. lxxvi.
[201] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1208, MGH SS XXIII, p. 888.
[202] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1213, MGH SS XXIII, p. 899.
[203] Mavot, P. 'L'obituaire de l'abbaye de Saint-Mansuy-lès-Toul', Revue Mabillon XIX 1929, p. 50.
[204] Genealogica ex Stirpe Sancti Arnulfi descendentium Mettensis 3, MGH SS XXV, p. 383.
[205] Gesta Episcoporum Mettensium (Continuatio II) 3, MGH SS X, p. 549.
[206] Lesort, A. (ed.) (1904) Les chartes du Clermontois conservées au musée Condé à Chantilly (1069-1352) (Paris) ("Chartes du Clermontois"), VII, p. 69.
[207] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1226, MGH SS XXIII, p. 918.9
Family | Agnes/Thomassette de Bar dame d’Armance, Longwy et Stenay b. 1177, d. 19 Jun 1226 |
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Citations
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Bar 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/bar/bar1.html
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Lorraine 11 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/lorraine/lorraine11.html
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Frédéric II: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026274&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
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- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ludmilla of Poland: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026289&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Frédéric I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026288&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Frédéric II: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026274&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Agnes/Thomasia de Bar: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026275&tree=LEO
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- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Thibault I: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026280&tree=LEO
- [S1953] Wikipedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theobald_I,_Duke_of_Lorraine.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Alix (Bertha) de Lorraine: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00174728&tree=LEO
Renaud/Reinald (?) de Bar, Bishop of Chartres1,2
M, #57390, d. 9 December 1217
Father | Renaud/Reinald II 'Le Jeune' (?) Comte de Bar, Mousson et Brie1,2 b. c 1115, d. 25 Jul 1170 |
Mother | Agnès de Blois de Champagne, dame de Ligny-en-Barrois1,2 b. 1138, d. 7 Aug 1207 |
Last Edited | 15 May 2009 |
Citations
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Bar 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/bar/bar1.html
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bar.pdf, p. 4. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Nanteuil-Le-Haudouin.pdf, p. 2.