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     Hugues (?) de Bar died on 25 July 1192.²
      ; a canon in Chartres.¹

     Agnes de Bar was born in 1189.³ She married Hugues V de Châtillon seigneur de Châtillon, comte de Blois et de St.Pol, son of Gaucher III de Châtillon Comte de St. Pol, Seigneur de Châtillon-sur-Marne, Croissy, Crécy, Montjay, Crécy et Pierrefonds and Elisabeth (?) Comtesse de St. Pol, circa 1216
; his 1st wife.^1,2,3
Agnes de Bar died before 1225.³
      ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 17.² She was living in 1225.²

     Richilde (alisa Mathilde) (?) married Fastre II (Fastradus) (?) d'Oisy, Vogt of Doornick, avoué de Tournai, son of Fastre I (?) d'Oisy, Vogt of Doornick, avoué de Tournai and Ida/Ade (?) d'Avesnes,
;
His 1st? wife.^1,3,4,5,6,7 Richilde (alisa Mathilde) (?) was born circa 1080.^1,2
      ; Per Racines et Histoire (Avesnes): “Fastré II d’Oisy dit «d’Avesnes» ° ~1075 + dès 05/08/1111 Châtelain & Avoué de Tournai
     ép. Richilde (alias Mathilde ?) ° ~1080 (nonne à Tournai dès son veuvage)
     ép. Fadewilde ?”.⁵

; Per Genealogy.EU (Flanders 3): “A2. Fastre II d'Oisy (Fastradus), Vogt of Doornick, *ca 1075, +before 5.8.1111; m.Richilde N (*ca 1080)”.⁸

; Per Med Lands:
     "[FASTRE [II] d'Oisy (-after 1111). The Liber de Restauratione Sancti Martini Tornacensis names "Fastridus filius eius [=Fastredus]", and in a later passage specifies that he was "filius illius Ide" and "advocatus Tornacensis"[742]. Another perspective on the parents of Gauthier [I] d’Oisy is provided by the late 13th century genealogy by Balduinus de Avennis which records that "nepos suus ex sorore Walterus cognomina Plukellus" succeeded "Goswinus de Oysiaco, castellanus Cameracensis"[743]. It is not known which version might be correct. Avoué of Tournai.]
     "m RICHILDE, daughter of ---. The Liber de Restauratione Sancti Martini Tornacensis names "Richilde" as wife of "Fastradus", without giving her origin, specifying that she became a nun at Tournai after her husband's death[744]. Her family origin has not been traced. However, the [1205] Chronicle of Liessies abbey records that Baudouin IV Comte de Hainaut was guardian of “trois Gillion, enfants nobles, dont les pères étaient morts...de Chimay...de Bousignies [Bouchain] et...de Trazegnies”, noting that the last named was claimed by “Gautier d’Avesnes avec lequel il était plus proche parent qu’avec le comte”[745]. The precise family relationship between Gilles [I] de Trazegnies and Gauthier [I] d’Oisy Seigneur d’Avesnes has not been ascertained: maybe it was through Gauthier’s mother.]"
Med Lands cites:

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 3:50.⁷

     Marguerite de Bar was born in 1193.³ She married Heinrich III (?) Graf von Salm, seigneur de Viviers, son of Heinrich II (?) Graf zu Salm and Judith (?) de Lorraine, before August 1221
; her 1st husband.^2,1,7,3 Marguerite de Bar married Henri (?) de Dampierre before 1245
; her 2nd husband.^1,3
Marguerite de Bar died after 1259.^1,8,3
      ; Margaret, +after 1259; 1m: 1221 Heinrich III von Salm (*ca 1191 +1228); 2m: before 1245 Henri de Dampierre (+1259.)¹

; Leo van de Pas cites: 1. Genealogisches Handbuch des Adels Fürstliche Häuser , Reference: 1955 109
2. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VI 147
3. Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: III 134.⁸

; Leo van de Pas and Genealogy.EU (Bar 1 page) disagree over the husbands of the two half sisters, both named Margaret/Marguerite. Bar 1 page says that the Margaret born of Ermesinde de Bar m1. Heinrich III von Salm and m2. Henri de Dampierre. Bar 1 says that her half sister, born of Ermesinde de Luxemburg, m. Hugues III de Vaudemont. Leo shows both half sisters, but says that Margaret born of Ermesinde de Bar m1. Heinrich III von Salm and m2. Hugues III de Vaudemont. He shows no wife for her the other Margaret, her half sister. [GAVaut 29 May 2004]^9,8,1

     Heinrich III (?) Graf von Salm, seigneur de Viviers was born circa 1191.^1,3 He married Marguerite de Bar, daughter of Thibault/Theobald I (Jean) (?) Comte de Bar-le-Duc, Mousson, Briey, Stenay, Longwy et Ligny and Ermesinde/Isabelle de Brienne, before August 1221
; her 1st husband.^1,6,2,3
Heinrich III (?) Graf von Salm, seigneur de Viviers died after 21 September 1228.^1,3
      ; Leo van de Pas cites: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: III 134.²

; Heinrich von Salm, sn de Viviers, *ca 1191, +1228; m.before VIII.1221 Margaret de Bar-Mousson (+after 1259.)¹

     Henri (?) de Dampierre married Marguerite de Bar, daughter of Thibault/Theobald I (Jean) (?) Comte de Bar-le-Duc, Mousson, Briey, Stenay, Longwy et Ligny and Ermensinde (Eremansette) de Namur Comtesse de Luxembourg,
; her second husband???² Henri (?) de Dampierre married Marguerite de Bar, daughter of Thibault/Theobald I (Jean) (?) Comte de Bar-le-Duc, Mousson, Briey, Stenay, Longwy et Ligny and Ermesinde/Isabelle de Brienne, before 1245
; her 2nd husband.^1,2
Henri (?) de Dampierre died in 1259.^1,2

     Reinald/Renaud de Bar seigneur de Briey, Arrancy et Marville died before 1214.^1,2

     Isabeau (Elisabeth) de Bar was born circa 1200; Racines et Hist. says b. ca 1200; Genealogics says b. ca 1208.^3,6 She married Walram I von Limburg Hr zu Monschau (Montjoie) und Poilvache, son of Walram/Waleran IV (?) Marquis d'Arlon, Duke of Limburg, Count of Luxemburg and Kunigunde (?) of Lorraine, circa 1218
; Leo van de Pas says m. 1218.^1,2,10,3,6
Isabeau (Elisabeth) de Bar died between 11 April 1262 and 1 August 1262.^1,3,6
     Reference: Genealogics cites:

     Walram I von Limburg Hr zu Monschau (Montjoie) und Poilvache married Isabeau (Elisabeth) de Bar, daughter of Thibault/Theobald I (Jean) (?) Comte de Bar-le-Duc, Mousson, Briey, Stenay, Longwy et Ligny and Ermensinde (Eremansette) de Namur Comtesse de Luxembourg, circa 1218
; Leo van de Pas says m. 1218.^1,2,3,4,11
Walram I von Limburg Hr zu Monschau (Montjoie) und Poilvache died on 20 April 1242; killed in battle.^1,2,3,4
      ; Per Genealogics: "Walram was the son of Walram IV, duke of Limburg, and his first wife Kunigunde von Monschau. As the younger son he was entrusted with Montjoie, formerly his mother's estate, by his elder brother Heinrich IV, the duke of Limburg. He already held the estate of Fauquemont. About 1218 he was betrothed to Elisabeth (Isabella) de Bar, lady of Poilvache, daughter of Thibaud I, comte de Bar et Luxembourg, and Ermesinde de Namur, comtesse de Luxembourg, who had married his father in 1214 soon after Thibaud's death. Through his marriage he became lord of Poilvache by right of his wife. They had three children of whom their daughter Bertha would have progeny with her second husband Dirk II von Heinsberg, Heer van Valkenburg. Walram died in battle after 20 April 1242."¹²

Reference: Genealogics cites: Walram I von Limburg Hr zu Monschau (Montjoie) und Poilvache was also known as Walram V von Limburg Sire de Montjoie & Sittard.¹² Walram I von Limburg Hr zu Monschau (Montjoie) und Poilvache was also known as Walram V van Limburg, Sire de Montjoie et Sittard.³ Walram I von Limburg Hr zu Monschau (Montjoie) und Poilvache was also known as Waleran V (ou 1er) «Le Long» de Limburg, seigneur de Montjoie (Monschau) et de Poilevache.⁴

     Kunigunde (?) of Lorraine married Walram/Waleran IV (?) Marquis d'Arlon, Duke of Limburg, Count of Luxemburg, son of Heinrich III (?) Duke of Limburg, Graf von Arlon and Sophie (?) von Saarbrücken, between 1190 and 1197
;
His 1st wife.^{3,4,5,6,2,7,8}
Kunigunde (?) of Lorraine died in 1214; Genealogics says d. 1214; Med Lands says d. bef 1213.^5,2
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "WALRAM van Limburg, son of HENDRIK III Duke of Limburg & his wife Sophie [von Saarbrücken] (-Cremona 2 Jul 1226, bur Rolduc [Rode] Abbey). Philipp Archbishop of Köln confirmed rights of the abbey of Rolduc, at the request of "Dominus Henricus de Lymburg filius Domini Henrici et nepos ducis Walerami…quam uxor eius Domina Sophia et filii eius Henricus et Waleramnus" by charter dated 1178[163]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Walerannus de Ardenna dux" as son of "senior Henricus de Lemborc"[164]. "Henricus de Lemborc" founded the abbey of "Vallis Sancti Lamberti", with the consent of "filiorum meorum Henrici, Waleranni, Frederici et Gerardi", by charter dated 1196[165]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "duce de Lemborch…Henrico et filio eius Wallerano" when recording that they were present at the coronation of "Otto comes Pictavorum" as King of Germany in 1198[166]. "Henricus filius Henrici filii Walerami ducis de Limburg" donated property to Rolduc [Rode] abbey, with the consent of "filiis meis Henrico, Waleramo, Friderico, Gerardo, ac filiabus meis Jutta de Valkenburg et Mathilde", in the presence of "domino Goswino de Valkenburg genero nostro", by charter dated 1202[167]. Seigneur de Montjoie [Monschau]. He undertook campaigns against Namur in 1214 and 1223 in an attempt to recover the county in the name of his second wife[168]. A charter dated 1218 records an agreement between "Waleranum comitem Luceburgensem" and the church of St Paul, Metz, with the consent of "uxoris suæ L. dominæ Luxemburgo et Walerani junioris filii comitis et Elisabethæ uxoris eiusdem, sororis domini M. tunc temporis comitis Barrensis"[169]. He succeeded his father in 1221 as WALRAM III Duke of Limburg. He joined the crusade preached by Pope Honorius III in 1224, dying on the return journey in Cremona[170]. The Continuatio of the Chronicon Lamberti Parvi records the death in 1225 of "Gerardus de Horne et frater eius Galerannus dux Ardennius"[171]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records the death in 1226 of "Walerannus de Ardenna dux" and his burial with his father "in ecclesia de Rode ordinis sancti Augustini"[172]. The Cæsarii Heisterbacensis Vita sancti Engelberti Archiepiscopi Coloniensis records that "dux Walramus" died five months after his brother Gérard[173].
     "m firstly CUNEGONDE de Lorraine, daughter of FERRY I Duke of Lorraine Herzog von Bitsch & his wife Wierchos?awa Ludmilla of Poland (-1213). She and her husband made a donation to the abbey of Fraulautem in 1211 in memory of Ferry II Duke of Lorraine and his wife[174]. Her marriage is confirmed by the charter dated 1237 under which her son "Heinricus…dux in Limburg et comes in Nienbr, et Ermengardis ducissa et comitissa ibidem" donated property to Vrundenberg abbey, with the consent of "heredum nostrorum Walrami…et Adolfi", for the souls of "beate memorie…domini Engelberti Coloniensis archiepiscopi…et patrum et matrum nostrarum…Walrami et Cunegundis, Adolfi et Berthe"[175].
     "m secondly ([Feb/May] 1214) as her second husband, ERMENSENDE de Namur Ctss de Luxembourg, widow of THIBAUT I Comte de Bar, daughter of HENRI "l'Aveugle" Comte de Luxembourg et de Namur & his second wife Agnes van Gelre (Jul 1186-17 Feb 1247). The Chronicon Hanoniense records the birth in Jul 1186 of "Ermensendem" daughter of "comes Namurcensis Henricus" and his wife Agnes[176]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines in 1193 records the marriage of "Theobaldus comes Barrensis" and "filiam Henrici comitis ceci…Ermensendem"[177]. Her husband bought the counties of Luxembourg, Durbuy and Laroche, with the approval of Philipp King of Germany, and besieged Philippe Marquis de Namur in his castle at Namur, which forced the negotiation of the 1199 treaty of Dinant[178]. Under the treaty, signed 26 Jul 1199, Baudouin IX Count of Flanders and Hainaut inherited Namur, while Ermesinde retained Luxembourg, Durbuy, Laroche and that part of Namur which lay on the right bank of the river Meuse[179]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "seniori Walerano filio Henrici" as second husband of "Ermensende filia Henrici ceci comitis Namucensis"[180]. The contract of marriage between "Waleranus filius Henrici ducis de Lemborch et marchio Arlnensis" and "dominæ Ermesindæ, comitissæ Luceleburq et Rupis" is dated 1214 and names "fratrum meorum Henrici de Valckenborcq et Gerardi de Horne et…filiorum meorum Henrici et Walerani"[181]. Dietrich Archbishop of Trier, at the request of "Walerami ducis de Limburg et comitis de Lutzelimburg", granted "feodum suum…de Arluns et Luzelliburg" to "uxori sue et conmatri nostre Ermegardi, prolibusquoque suis Henrico, Gerardo filiis, Catharine etiam filie sue" by charter dated 23 Nov 1223[182].
     "Duke Walram III & his first wife had four children.
     "Duke Walram III & his second wife had three children."
Med Lands cites:

; Per Genealogy.EU (Luxemburt 8): "E2. Duke Walram IV of Limburg (1221-26), Ct of Luxemburg, *1180, +Rolduc 2.7.1226; 1m: Kunigunde of Lorraine (+1214); 2m: V.1214 Ermesinde of Luxemburg (*VI.1186 +12.2.1247.)⁴"

; Per Racines et Histoire: "Waleran (Walram) III van Limburg ° 1180 + 02/07/1226 (Cremona, retour de croisade) duc de Limburg (1221-1226), seigneur de Monschau (Montjoie), marquis d’Arlon puis comte de Luxembourg (du chef de sa femme) croisé (1224) combat contre Namur (1214, 1223)
     ép. 1) Cunégonde de Lorraine + 1213 (fille de Ferri 1er, duc de Lorraine, herzog von Bitsch, et de Wierchoslawa de Pologne)
     ép. 2) 02-05/1214 Ermesende II de Luxembourg ( de Namur) ° 07/1186 + 17/02/1247 héritière du comté de Luxembourg (1196), Durbuy, La Roche & Namur sur la rive droite de la Meuse (partage par traité à Dinant 26/07/1199 avec Baudouin IX de Flandres et de Hainaut, comte de Namur) (fille d’Henri 1er «L’Aveugle» de Namur = Henri IV comte de Luxembourg, et d’Agnès de Gueldres) ; veuve de Thibaut 1er, comte de Bar (-Le-Duc) °~1160 + 12-13/02/1214.)⁷"

; NB: Genealogics and Med Lands disagree on the parents of Kunigunde/Cunegonde who m. Walram IV. Genealogy.EU agrees with Med Lands.
     Genealogics identifies her father as Ludwig von Monschau (no mother named).
     Med Lands says that she is the dau. of "FERRY I Duke of Lorraine Herzog von Bitsch & his wife Wierchos?awa Ludmilla of Poland"
     Genealogy.EU (Lorraine 1) says she is the dau. of "Frederick I, Duke von Bitsch, Duke of Lorraine (1205-06), *before 1152, +7.4..1206; m.1150-60 Ludmilla (*ca 1150 +1223) dau.of Duke Miecislaw of Poland"
     I have chosen to follow the lineage shown by Med Lands. GA Vaut.^2,9,10,11

Reference: Genealogics cites: De Graven van Limburg-Stirum, Assen/Amsterdam, 1976. 9 volumes., Reference: II-1 p33.⁵ Kunigunde (?) of Lorraine was also known as Cunegonde de Lorraine.² Kunigunde (?) of Lorraine was also known as Kunigunde (?) von Monschau.⁵

; Per Med Lands:
     "CUNEGONDE de Lorraine (-before 1213). She and her husband made a donation to the abbey of Fraulautem in 1211 in memory of Ferry II Duke of Lorraine and his wife[187]. Her marriage is confirmed by the charter dated 1237 under which her son "Heinricus…dux in Limburg et comes in Nienbr, et Ermengardis ducissa et comitissa ibidem" donated property to Vrundenberg abbey, with the consent of "heredum nostrorum Walrami…et Adolfi", for the souls of "beate memorie…domini Engelberti Coloniensis archiepiscopi…et patrum et matrum nostrarum…Walrami et Cunegundis, Adolfi et Berthe"[188].
     "m as his first wife, WALERAN de Limbourg Seigneur de Montjoie, son of HENDRIK III Duke of Limburg & his wife Sophie [von Saarbrücken] (-Cremona 2 Jul 1226, bur Rode Abbey). He succeeded his father in 1221 as WALRAM III Duke of Limburg.
     "Duke Walram III & his first wife had four children."
Med Lands cites:

     (?) (?) de Bar-Mousson died in February 1214.^1,5

     Heinrich II (?) Graf zu Salm was born circa 1160.² He married Judith (?) de Lorraine, daughter of Frederick I (?) Duke of Lorriane, Duke von Bitsch and Wierzchoslawa Ludmilla (?) of Poland, in 1189.^1,6,7,2

Heinrich II (?) Graf zu Salm died in 1225; Genealogy.EU (Luxemburg 4 page) says d. 1200/04.^1,6,2
      ; Leo van de Pas cites: 1. Genealogisches Handbuch des Adels Fürstliche Häuser , Reference: 1955 109
2. Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: III 134.¹

; Gf Heinrich II von Salm, *ca 1160, +1200/04; m.ca 1189 Jutta of Upper Lorraine.² He was living in 1171.¹

     Hélissende de Vergy was born circa 1265.^3,4 She married Henri II (?) Cte de Vaudémont and Ariano, son of Henri I (?) Cte de Vaudémont, Cte d'Ariano, Vicra-General of Tuscany and Marguerite de La Roche-sur-l'Ognon, before June 1284
; her 1st husband.^1,6,2,4 Hélissende de Vergy married Gaucher/Guy V de Châtillon seigneur de Châtillon, Cécy-en-Brie, Pontarcy, comte de Porcien, connétable de France, son of Gauthier/Gaucher IV de Châtillon and Isabel de Villehardouin, before 1301
; his 2nd wife; her 2nd husband.^7,1,3,4,8
Hélissende de Vergy died circa 1312.^1,3,4,8
      ; Leo van de Pas cites: 1. Kwartieren van Hendrik III en Willem de Rijke van Nassau Geldrop, 1965, G. F. de Roo van Alderwerelt, Reference: 505
2. Encyclopedie Genealogique des Maisons Souveraines du Monde Paris, VIII 1963,IX 1964,XII 1966., Docteur Gaston Sirjean, Reference: 257
3. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III/3 436.¹

; N.B.: In recent years, Genealogics has changed the parents of Helisende from Jean I and Marguertie (de Noyers) to Guillaume II and Lauretta (de Lorraine). However, other tertiary sources still show her parents as Jean I and Marguerite (e.g., Med Lands, Genealogy.EU, Racine et Histoire.)^5,9,2,4

     Jeanne (?) of Flanders was born in 1224.¹ She married Hugues III (?) Comte de Rethel, son of Hugues II de Rethel Comte de Rethel and Felicité de Broyes Dame de Beaufort, on 15 May 1239
; her 1st husband; his 2nd wife.^1,8,2,9,3,4 Jeanne (?) of Flanders married Thibault/Theobald II de Bar Comte de Bar-le-Duc, Brie et Saint-Fargeau, seigneur de Torcy, son of Henri II de Bar Comte de Bar, seigneur de Ligny and Philippe de Dreux Dame de Torcy-en-Brie, Quincy et Longueville-en-Tardenois, on 31 August 1245
; his 1st wife; her 2nd husband; per Racines et Histoire "ép. 1) fiançailles 03/05/1243) entre 03 et 31/08/1245."^{10,1,2,11,3,4}
Jeanne (?) of Flanders died in 1246.^1,4
      ; Leo van de Pas cites: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: vol II page 10.¹ Jeanne (?) of Flanders was also known as Jeanne (?) de Dampierre.³ Jeanne (?) of Flanders was also known as Jeanne de Dampierre.^9,4

     Henri de Bar died after 3 September 1249.²

     Reinald/Renaud (?) de Bar married Marie de Quievrain dame d’Ancerville, daughter of Nicolas de Quievrain seigneur de Quievrain.^1,2

Reinald/Renaud (?) de Bar died on 22 July 1271.^1,2

     Marie de Quievrain dame d’Ancerville married Reinald/Renaud (?) de Bar, son of Henri II de Bar Comte de Bar, seigneur de Ligny and Philippe de Dreux Dame de Torcy-en-Brie, Quincy et Longueville-en-Tardenois.^1,2
Marie de Quievrain dame d’Ancerville married Jean de Joinville seigneur de Reynel, son of Jean de Joinville Sénéchal de Champagne and Alix de Reynel/Risnel heiress of Reynel,
; her 2nd husband. NOTE: Not sure i have the right Jean de Joinville.²
Marie de Quievrain dame d’Ancerville died in June 1293.²

     Robert de Coucy sn de Boves married Beatrix de St. Pol, daughter of Hugues III dit Candavène de St. Pol Comte de St. Pol, Comte de Hesdin and Marguerite de Clermont.^3,2,4

Robert de Coucy sn de Boves died on 19 July 1191.¹
     ; NB: Racines et Histoire (Coucy and (Saint-Pol) are the only sources that I have consulted which mentions a 1st marriage for Beatrix to Robert de Coucy (Boves), before marrying Jean de Ponthieu, and say that she was the dau of Anselme Candavène.
     Genealogics and Med Lands both show two different women: 1) Beatrix the dau. of Anselme m. Jean de Ponthieu, and 2) Beatrix the dau of Hugues III Candavène m. Robert de Coucy (Boves).
Conclusion: I have chosen to show two different women, by different fathers, following Genealogics and Med Lands. GA Vaut.^{5,6,7,8,9,10,11}

; Robert de Coucy, sn de Boves, +19.7.1191; m. Beatrix (+after 1192) sister of Cte Hugues de Saint-Pol
o     B1. Enguerrand de Coucy, sn de Boves; m.before 1192 Adele (+1252/54), dau.of Jean I de Nesle, Bgve of Bruges
"     C1. Robert de Coucy, sn de Boves, +1248/9; m.Helvide, dau.of Guillaume de Nanteuil, sn d'Autreches
"     C2. Elizabeth de Coucy, Dame de Boves, +after VII.1263; m.before V.1214 Nicolas V de Rumigny (+1257)
o     B2. Robert de Coucy, sn de Fouencamps, +1226/8; m.Marie N
"     C1. Robert de Coucy, +ca 1245; m.Marie N
"     C2. Thomas de Coucy
"     C3. Hellin de Coucy
"     C4. Beatrix de Coucy
o     B3. Hugues de Coucy
o     B4. Thomas de Coucy, a priest in Amiens.²


; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 80.¹

     Beatrix de St. Pol married Robert de Coucy sn de Boves, son of Sir Thomas I de Coucy Sire de Coucy et Marle, Comte d'Amiens and Melesinde de Crecy.^1,2,4

Beatrix de St. Pol died after 1192.^1,2,4
     ; NB: Racines et Histoire (Coucy and (Saint-Pol) are the only sources that I have consulted which mentions a 1st marriage for Beatrix to Robert de Coucy (Boves), before marrying Jean de Ponthieu, and say that she was the dau of Anselme Candavène.
     Genealogics and Med Lands both show two different women: 1) Beatrix the dau. of Anselme m. Jean de Ponthieu, and 2) Beatrix the dau of Hugues III Candavène m. Robert de Coucy (Boves).
Conclusion: I have chosen to show two different women, by different fathers, following Genealogics and Med Lands. GA Vaut.^{6,7,8,9,10,11,12}

; Leo van de Pas cites: Europaische Stammtafeln, J. A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.), Reference: III/4 622.⁴

; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 80.¹

     Theobald/Thibaud de Bar seigneur de Pierrepont et Ancerville was born circa 1314.^1,3 He married Marie (?) de Namur, daughter of Jean I de Dampierre Comte de Namur and Marie d'Artois Lady of Merode, on 9 September 1342
;
Her 2nd husband.^1,6,3,4,7
Theobald/Thibaud de Bar seigneur de Pierrepont et Ancerville died in 1354.^1,3,4
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 3/1:53; 6:147.⁴ Theobald/Thibaud de Bar seigneur de Pierrepont et Ancerville was also known as Thibaut de Bar Seigneur de Pierrepont.⁴

     Marie (?) de Namur was born in 1322.^4,1 She married Heinrich II (?) Graf von Vianden, son of Philipp II von Vianden Herr von Grimberghe and Lucie (?) von der Neuerburg, Heiress of Neuerburg and Esch, in 1335
;
Her 1st husband; Genealogy.EU (Flanders 5 page) says m. 1336.^3,2,8,1 Marie (?) de Namur married Theobald/Thibaud de Bar seigneur de Pierrepont et Ancerville, son of Erard de Bar sn de Pierrepont, Ancerville, et Pierrefitte and Isabelle (?) de Lorraine, dame d’Ancerville, on 9 September 1342
;
Her 2nd husband.^9,3,1,10,2
Marie (?) de Namur died before 29 October 1357; Genealogy.EU (Flanders 5 page) says d. ca 1357.^11,3,4,1
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: III/1 53.² Marie (?) de Namur was also known as Marie de Dampierre.^9,11,3,4

     Jeanne/Joanna de Bar was born circa 1225.^1,4 She married Friedrich I (?) Graf zu Salm, Seigneur de Blamont, son of Heinrich II (?) Graf zu Salm and Judith (?) de Lorraine, before 23 September 1242
; her 1st husband; for their children see http://genealogy.euweb.cz/luxemburg/luxemburg4.html.^3,9,1,10,4 Jeanne/Joanna de Bar married Ludwig/Lodewijk V (?) von Looz, comte de Chiny, son of Arnold III-IV (?) Graf von Looz und Chiny and Johanna von Chiny Heiress of Chiny, before 22 July 1257
; her 2nd husband.^2,1,4
Jeanne/Joanna de Bar died circa 1299.³
Jeanne/Joanna de Bar died on 31 August 1299.¹
      ; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: IV 95.³

; Joanna, *ca 1225, +31.8.1299; 1m: before 25.9.1242 Frederick von Blamont (+1255); 2m: after 1258 Ct Ludwig von Looz und Chiny (*1235 +1299.)¹ Jeanne/Joanna de Bar was also known as Johanna de Bar.³

     Otto II (?) Graf von Henneberg und Botenlauben married Beatrice de Courtenay Dame de Thoron, daughter of Josselin III de Courtenay Seneschal of the Kingdom of Jerusalem, tit. Count of Edessa, Sire de Rohais and Agnes de Milly, before 1 October 1208
;
Her 2nd husband.^1,5,6
Otto II (?) Graf von Henneberg und Botenlauben was buried between 1244 and 1245 at Kloster Frauenrod .⁶
Otto II (?) Graf von Henneberg und Botenlauben died between 1244 and 1245; Med Lands says d. 1244.^1,6
     ; See Wikipedia entry on the House of Henneberg for more information.⁷

; Genealogics cites:

; Per Med Lands:
     "OTTO [I] (-[1244], bur Kloster Frauenrod). Graf von Henneberg zu Botenlauben. "Otto comes de Hennemberc" donated property to the Teutonic Knights, with the consent of "Beatricis uxoris et filii", by charter dated 30 May 1220 at Acre[384]. He founded Kloster Frauenrod in 1231[385]. Hermann Bishop of Würzburg transferred “locum Barcharderode” to “Ottoni seniori de Botenlauben eiusque conjugi dominæ Beatrici” for a convent in return for property “in villa Egenhusen” by charter dated 1231[386]. “Otto comes de Botenlaube...[cum] uxoris suæ dominæ Beatricis” sold “castrum ipsorum hærediarium Bodenlouben...” to the monastery of St. Kilian by charter dated 4 Mar 1234[387]. “Otto comes de Botinlauben cum uxore Beatrici” sold “castri sui” to Würzburg and donated “bona in Arnishusen et in Stupfil” by charter dated 1242[388]. “Hermannus comes de Hennenberg” granted right of passage through his lands to “Novalis Sanctæ Mariæ cenobio ab eo constructo” for “felicis memoriæ Ottonis quondam comitis de Botenloben”, by charter dated 21 Jun 1247[389].
     "m (before 1 Oct 1208) as her second husband, BEATRICE de Courtenay, widow of GUILLAUME de Lusignan Seigneur de Valence, daughter of JOSCELIN [III] Count of Edessa & his wife Agnes de Milly ([1176]-after 1245, bur Kloster Frauenrod). The Lignages d'Outremer name (in order) "Biatris et Annés" as the two daughters of "dou conte Jocelin" & his wife, specifying that Beatrix married "un conte aleman maugré le rei Heymeri" and died without heirs[390]. "Otto comes (de Henneberg)" donated property to the Teutonic Knights at Acre, with the consent of "uxoris Beatricis, filiæ quondam comitis Joscelini", by charter dated Sep 1208[391]. Emperor Friedrich II confirmed rights of the Teutonic Knights in property donated by "Ottone comite de Ennenberch, Beatrice uxore et Ottone filio" by charter dated Jul 1226[392]. Hermann Bishop of Würzburg transferred “locum Barcharderode” to “Ottoni seniori de Botenlauben eiusque conjugi dominæ Beatrici” for a convent in return for property “in villa Egenhusen” by charter dated 1231[393]. “Otto comes de Botenlaube...[cum] uxoris suæ dominæ Beatricis” sold “castrum ipsorum hærediarium Bodenlouben...” to the monastery of St. Kilian by charter dated 4 Mar 1234[394]. “Otto comes de Botinlauben cum uxore Beatrici” sold “castri sui” to Würzburg and donated “bona in Arnishusen et in Stupfil” by charter dated 1242[395]. Graf Otto [I] & his wife had three children."
Med Lands cites:

     Ludwig/Lodewijk V (?) von Looz, comte de Chiny was born in 1235.^1,2 He married Jeanne/Joanna de Bar, daughter of Henri II de Bar Comte de Bar, seigneur de Ligny and Philippe de Dreux Dame de Torcy-en-Brie, Quincy et Longueville-en-Tardenois, before 22 July 1257
; her 2nd husband.^1,5,2
Ludwig/Lodewijk V (?) von Looz, comte de Chiny died in 1299.^1,2

     (?) de Bar was born in 1113.^1,2
(?) de Bar died before 1120.^1,2

     Isbelle (?) de Bar-le-Duc died in 1320.^1,2

     Ludwig II (?) Graf von Pfirt married Agnès de Soyhières.^6,2

Ludwig II (?) Graf von Pfirt died before 1188.^1,3
     Ludwig II (?) Graf von Pfirt was also known as Louis de Bar comte de Ferrette (Pfirt).³

     Ulrich I (?) Graf von Pfirt died on 27 September 1197; murdered.^1,2,3
     Ulrich I (?) Graf von Pfirt was also known as Ulrich I (?) comte de Ferrette (Pfirt).³

     Helwide (?) von Pfirt died before 1188.^1,2
      ; van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.), Reference: VI 146.⁵ Helwide (?) von Pfirt was also known as Helwide de Bar.²

     Ludwig II (?) von Pfirt died between 1236 and 1237 at Rieti.^1,4
     Ludwig II (?) von Pfirt was also known as Louis II «Le Féroce» de Ferrette comte de Ferrette (Pfirt).⁴