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     Sir Guy III Botetourte Knt., of of Ellinghall, Norfolk married Ada (?)²

Sir Guy III Botetourte Knt., of of Ellinghall, Norfolk died in 1316.²
     GAV-24 GKJ-23.

     Ada (?) married Sir Guy III Botetourte Knt., of of Ellinghall, Norfolk, son of Guy II Botetourte.²

     GAV-24.

      ; In 1998 the noted author, F.N. Craig, published a brilliant article entitled "The Parentage of John Botetourt" which was published in The American Genealogist, 63 (1988) 145-153. In his article, Mr. Craig identified Sir John Botetourt, 1st Lord Botetourt (died 1324), as the son of Guy Botetourt, Knt., of Upton, Ellingham, and Kerebrook, Norfolk, by his wife, Ada. I have not restudied Mr. Craig's article, but I believe he based his identification of Sir John Botetourt's parentage on the passage of lands from Sir Guy Botetourt to Sir John Botetourt, among them the manors of Upton, Ellingham, and Kerebrook, Norfolk.

In the intervening time, I posted here on the newsgroup further
evidence which confirmed Mr. Craig's identification (see copy of my
earlier post below). I found one record in which Sir John Botetourt is
stated to have had a brother, Robert, and another record in which
Robert Botetourt, a priest, is called a son of Guy Botetourt. I also
showed that Sir John Botetourt named a daughter, Ada, presumably in
honor of his mother.

Recently I found still more evidence to confirm Mr. Craig's
identification. The Proceedings of the Society of Antiquaries, 2nd
ser. 4 (1869): 200-201 has an interesting article by C.S. Perceval, in
which Mr. Perceval discusses a deed dated 1323 issued by Master Roger
Boteturte, son of Sir Guy Boteturte (described in the deed as 'nobilis
vir' [i.e., nobleman]).

Mr. Perceval adds the following statement: "Of Roger Boteturte and his
brother, Robert, who, as appears by another deed relating to this
property, had been jointly enfeoffed with him by their father, I find
no particulars."

So, once again we find a reference to Robert Botetourt, and Mr.
Perceval shows that he was the brother of Master Roger Botetourt, son
of Sir Guy Botetourt.

Given that John Botetourt had a brother, Robert, who was the son of Sir
Guy Botetourt, and given that Robert Botetourt had a brother, Roger,
who was a son of Sir Guy Botetourt, I believe that, together with the
passage of the three manors, these records provide conclusive evidence
that Sir John, Robert, and Roger Botetourt were all sons of Sir Guy
Botetourt.

Lastly, I might note that Master Roger Botetourt is called nobleman in
his deed. This suggests to me that the Botetourt family probably has
something important in their ancestry which has not yet been detected.

Comment are invited.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: www.royalancestry.net

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From: royalances...@msn.com (Douglas Richardson) - Find messages by
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Date: 20 Oct 2002 15:47:31 -0700

Dear Newsgroup ~

Someone wrote me this week that they were surprised to learn that John
Botetourt, Knt., lst Lord Botetourt (died 1324), was the son of Guy
Botetourt, Knt., of Upton, Ellingham, and Kerebrook, Norfolk, rather
than a bastard son of King Edward I as they previously thought was the
case. In replying back to the person, I realized I had additional
evidence in my files to support John Botetourt's correct parentage.

In the book, Records of the Wardrobe and Household, 1286-1289 (1986),
by B.F. Byerly, reference is made on pg. 258 to Robert brother of John
Botetourt. In Calendar of Entries in the Papal Registers: Letters 2
(1895): 15, reference is made in 1306 to Robert son of Guy Botetourt,
a priest. I presume the same Robert Botetourt is involved in both
records. If correct, taken together, these two records would indicate
that John and Robert Botetourt were sons of Guy Botetourt.

Beyond that, I've noted in an earlier post that my research indicates
that John Botetourt, Knt., lst Lord Botetourt, had a hitherto
unnoticed daughter, Ada, who married John de St. Philibert, Knt., of
Eaton Hastings, co. Berks. The name Ada presumably derives from John
Botetourt's mother, Ada, wife of Guy Botetourt. Several immigrants
descend from Ada Botetourt, wife of John de St. Philibert.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

E-mail: royalances...@msn.com.¹

     Robert de Hauteville was born between 1062 and 1064.¹
Robert de Hauteville died after May 1103.¹
      ; Robert,vraisemblablement le second fils, intervient pour la première fois en
février 1076 dans une donation de son père à la cathédrale Ste-Marie de
Melfi (MENAGER, 1981a, n° 23). Il était sans doute âgé de 12 à 14 ans. Sa
dernière intervention est de mai 1103 (HOUBEN, 1985, n° 81). D¹après P.
SKINNER, 2000, p 627.¹ He was living between February 1076 and May 1103.¹

     Guy de Hauteville was born before 1065.¹
Guy de Hauteville died on 5 July 1108.¹
      ; Guy, le troisième fils, naquit également avant 1065. Il n¹est documenté qu¹à partir de janvier 1082 dans un acte de ses parents en faveur de St-Orenzo de Tarente (MENAGER, 1981a, n° 40, III, p 128). Il mourut le 5 juillet 1108 (GARUFI, 1922, p 92 : III N. I. AD millesimo C. VIII. Indictione prima depositio Guidonis f. Roberti ducis).¹

     Mabilia de Hauteville married Guillaume de Grandmesnil, son of Hugh I de Grandmesnil Count of Grentmesnil, seigneur de Brokesborne and Adelaide/Aelis de Beaumont-sur-Oise.¹

Mabilia de Hauteville died in 1132.
      ; En 1081, Robert Guiscard reçut une ambassade de l¹empereur Henri IV, en
conflit avec la papauté, et qui proposait une union entre son fils Conrad,
futur roi des Romains, et une fille du duc (Le projet de mariage est révélé
par une lettre datée de mai 1081 de Grégoire VII à l¹abbé Didier du Mont
Cassin, par laquelle il se plaint que le duc ne lui envoie pas l¹aide
promise contre l¹empereur (Reg. Greg. VII, IX, 11, p 588-589 ). CHALANDON,
1907, t 1, p 247 ;COWDREY, 1983, p 147-148 ; LOUD, 2000b, p 214-215). Il ne
pouvait s¹agir que de Mabilia, car les trois aînées étaient déjà mariées et
la quatrième prisonnière à Constantinople. Guiscard toutefois déclina
l¹offre . Peu après, il maria Mabilia à Guillaume de Grandmesnil, neveu de
l¹abbé Robert de Ste-Marie de Sant¹Eufemia, et lui donna en dot quinze
châteaux en Calabre. Second fils de Hugues de Grandmesnil et d¹Adélaïde de
Beaumont sur Oise, Guillaume fit d¹abord partie de l¹entourage de Guillaume
le Conquérant, lequel le fiança à une des filles de son frère utérin Robert
de Mortain (Ord. VITAL, t 4, p 230 et 338 ). Entre 1075 et 1080 il émigra en
Italie du Sud et participa à l¹expédition de Robert Guiscard contre Durazzo
en juillet 1081 (Ord. VITAL , t 4, p 16 et 338). Son mariage avec Mabilia,
la dernière fille non mariée de Robert et Sichelgaita, le rendit maître de
quinze châteaux en Calabre, notamment dans la vallée du Crati, et les
domaines de Crotone et Oriolo. Orderic Vital place le mariage après la mort
de Guiscard, en 1088 (Ord. VITAL t 4, p 338; JAMISON, 1939, p 199 ;
MENAGER, 1975, p 316-317 ; DECAENS, 1994, p 136-137). Guillaume participa à
plusieurs expéditions de son beau-père et se trouvait à son chevet lorsqu¹il
mourut en juillet 1085 . En 1093, il se révolta contre son beau-frère Roger
et dut s¹enfuir à Constantinople . Il participa ensuite à la première
croisade avec ses frères Yves et Alberic . Il revint en Calabre où il mourut
avant janvier 1114 . Sa veuve lui survécut jusqu¹en 1132 .¹

     Guillaume de Grandmesnil married Mabilia de Hauteville, daughter of Robert I "Guiscard/Weasel" de Hauteville Count then Duke of Apulia, Calabria, and Sicily, Pr of Salerno and Sichelgaita/Sigelgaita (?) Princess of Salerno.¹

Guillaume de Grandmesnil died before January 1114.¹
      ; En 1081, Robert Guiscard reçut une ambassade de l¹empereur Henri IV, en
conflit avec la papauté, et qui proposait une union entre son fils Conrad,
futur roi des Romains, et une fille du duc (Le projet de mariage est révélé
par une lettre datée de mai 1081 de Grégoire VII à l¹abbé Didier du Mont
Cassin, par laquelle il se plaint que le duc ne lui envoie pas l¹aide
promise contre l¹empereur (Reg. Greg. VII, IX, 11, p 588-589 ). CHALANDON,
1907, t 1, p 247 ;COWDREY, 1983, p 147-148 ; LOUD, 2000b, p 214-215). Il ne
pouvait s¹agir que de Mabilia, car les trois aînées étaient déjà mariées et
la quatrième prisonnière à Constantinople. Guiscard toutefois déclina
l¹offre . Peu après, il maria Mabilia à Guillaume de Grandmesnil, neveu de
l¹abbé Robert de Ste-Marie de Sant¹Eufemia, et lui donna en dot quinze
châteaux en Calabre. Second fils de Hugues de Grandmesnil et d¹Adélaïde de
Beaumont sur Oise, Guillaume fit d¹abord partie de l¹entourage de Guillaume
le Conquérant, lequel le fiança à une des filles de son frère utérin Robert
de Mortain (Ord. VITAL, t 4, p 230 et 338 ). Entre 1075 et 1080 il émigra en
Italie du Sud et participa à l¹expédition de Robert Guiscard contre Durazzo
en juillet 1081 (Ord. VITAL , t 4, p 16 et 338). Son mariage avec Mabilia,
la dernière fille non mariée de Robert et Sichelgaita, le rendit maître de
quinze châteaux en Calabre, notamment dans la vallée du Crati, et les
domaines de Crotone et Oriolo. Orderic Vital place le mariage après la mort
de Guiscard, en 1088 (Ord. VITAL t 4, p 338; JAMISON, 1939, p 199 ;
MENAGER, 1975, p 316-317 ; DECAENS, 1994, p 136-137). Guillaume participa à
plusieurs expéditions de son beau-père et se trouvait à son chevet lorsqu¹il
mourut en juillet 1085 . En 1093, il se révolta contre son beau-frère Roger
et dut s¹enfuir à Constantinople . Il participa ensuite à la première
croisade avec ses frères Yves et Alberic . Il revint en Calabre où il mourut
avant janvier 1114 . Sa veuve lui survécut jusqu¹en 1132 .¹ He was Crusader in the 1st Crusade.¹

     Rainard I de Toul Seigneur de Dampierre married Euphemie (?)
;
His 1st wife.¹ Rainard I de Toul Seigneur de Dampierre married Dominica (?)
;
Possibly his 2nd wife.¹
Rainard I de Toul Seigneur de Dampierre died in 1191.¹
      ; Per Med Lands:
     "RAINARD [I], son of HENRI de Toul & his wife --- (-[1191]). Seigneur de Dampierre [en-Astenois]. Guy Bishop of Châlons confirmed the possessions of Montier abbey, including the confirmation made by Rainard “dominus de Damperre filius Henrici” of donations made by “predecessores eius Fredericus comes et Henricus filius eius”, undated, but recorded in a bull of Pope Alexander III dated 1163[428]. “Renard comte de Dampierre et Euphémie sa femme” donated the chapel of Saint-Pierre in the castle of Dampierre to Toussaint-en-l’Ile abbey, together with part “des dîmes...de Rahericourt et Vuailemmont”, by charter dated 1170[429]. The Feoda Campanie dated [1172] includes “...Renardus Domni Petri...” in De Vitriaco et appenditiis[430]. “R. dominus Damni Petra” donated fields “sub Nigro-Loco” to Neuville-au-Temple, with the consent of “H. femine mee et filiorum meorum”, by charter dated to before 1177[431]. Comte de Dampierre [en-Astenois]. “Henri châtelain de Vitry” declared that “Gaucher d’Etrepy” had donated property to Cheminon by charter dated 1181, witnessed by “Renard comte de Dampierre, Roger de Chimai, Bertrand de Ste-Menehould...”[432]. “R. comes Domus Petri et castellanus de Vitriaco et...Heluys castellana Vitriaci” donated a serf at Vitry to Neuville-au-Temple by charter dated 1190[433].
     "m [firstly] EUPHEMIE, daughter of ---. “Renard comte de Dampierre et Euphémie sa femme” donated the chapel of Saint-Pierre in the castle of Dampierre to Toussaint-en-l’Ile abbey, together with part “des dîmes...de Rahericourt et Vuailemmont”, by charter dated 1170[434].
     "m secondly DOMINICA, daughter of ---. Barthélemy refers to an undated charter which records Rainard’s donation to Montier of “une terre située entre le sentier de Villulacurt...et le chemin de Dammartin à Epense” which names “la femme du seigneur de Dampie[rre...Dominica”[435]. This name is unusual and one possibility is that it was some sort of nickname. If that is correct, it is possible that she was the same person as Euphémie.] "
Med Lands cites:

     Euphemie (?) married Rainard I de Toul Seigneur de Dampierre
;
His 1st wife.¹
      ; Per Med Lands: "m [firstly] EUPHEMIE, daughter of ---. “Renard comte de Dampierre et Euphémie sa femme” donated the chapel of Saint-Pierre in the castle of Dampierre to Toussaint-en-l’Ile abbey, together with part “des dîmes...de Rahericourt et Vuailemmont”, by charter dated 1170[434]."
Med Lands cites: [434] Barthélemy (1861), Vol. II, Appendice, no. 59, p. 419.¹

     Gersende (?) married Foucaud I de La Roche Seigneur de la Roche en Angoumois.^1,2,3

      ; Per Med Lands:
     "FOUCAUD [I] de la Roche (-after 1037, maybe after 1047). ["Fulcaudus et mater mea et fratres mei" donated property "in pago Alienense in viccaria Santi Joannis Baptistæ in villa…Antezanis" to Saint-Jean d’Angély by charter dated to [995][1455].] Seigneur de la Roche en Angoumois. Père Anselme states that Foucaud and his children are named in a charter dated 1019 under which Guillaume Bishop of Angoulême donated the church of Saint-Bibien de Niœul to the abbey of Uzerche[1456]. "…Fulchaldi de Rocha, Guidonis filii sui, Ademari fratris eius…" signed the charter dated Aug 1019 under which "Guido et uxor mea Emma…et filii nostri Geraldus, Ademarus, Petrus" donated "ecclesiam…Sancti Bibiano…a Nioli" to Uzerche[1457]. "Fulcaldus de la Rocha et Guido et Ademarus filii ipsius Fulcodii" subscribed the charter dated 10 Sep 1019 under which Guillaume Bishop of Angoulême confirmed the same donation[1458]. "Fulcaudus de Castrum…Rocha" returned property which he had usurped to the abbey of Saint-Cybard d’Angoulême, with the consent of "Jarsande" his wife, by charter dated 1026[1459]. "Fulcaudus" donated property at "Rabaut" to Saint-Jean d’Angély by charter dated 1037[1460]. ["...Fucaudi de Rupe..." subscribed the charter dated 1047 under which "Goffredus comes et uxor mea Agnes" founded Notre-Dame de Saintes and donated numerous properties[1461]. It is not certain whether the subscriber was Foucaud [I] de la Roche or his son Foucaud.]
     "m GERSENDE, daughter of --- (-after 1026). "Fulcaudus de Castrum…Rocha" returned property which he had usurped to the abbey of Saint-Cybard d’Angoulême, with the consent of "Jarsande" his wife, by charter dated 1026[1462]."
Med Lands cites: GAV-26.

Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.) 10:29.¹ Gersende (?) was living in 1026.¹

     Hermann III (?) Duke of Swabia was born before 995.¹
Hermann III (?) Duke of Swabia died in 1012.¹

     Megingoz 'the Brown' (?) Comtes/Graaf married Gerberge van Julich, daughter of 'Duke' Godefroy van Julich Count Palatine, Lord of Julich and Ermentrudis (?).²

     GAV-28. Megingoz 'the Brown' (?) Comtes/Graaf was living in 987.²

Megingoz 'the Brown' (?) Comtes/Graaf was listed as a resident in Sanford Humphrey and Jane Primm's household in the census report on 18 July 1860 at Stafford Court House, Stafford Co., Virginia, USA; p. 891, lines 21-27, dewlling 555, family 5587
21 HUMPHREY, Sanford 47 [1813] M Farmer $1000 $4000 VA
22 " , Jane 51 [1809] F VA
23 " , Joseph 17 [1843] M Farmer VA
24 " , Kitty 15 [1845] F VA
25 " , John 13 [1847] M VA
26 " , James 12 [1848]M VA
27 " , Susan 10 [1850] F VA.³

     Gerberge van Julich married Megingoz 'the Brown' (?) Comtes/Graaf.⁵

Gerberge van Julich died circa 995.²
     GAV-28.

      ; The tenants who do appear in the Marshal’s entourage on a regular basis were all very significant men. The most important was Ralph Bloet. The Bloets could not be ignored by any lord of Striguil. It was not just that they were the principal tenants of the honor of Striguil in Wales and England. Ralph Bloet’s brother William had married a sister of the late Earl Richard Strongbow, the castle of Chepstow before William Marshall obtained Earl Richard’s Heiress. It was Ralph who would have formally delivered Chepstow castle to the Marshall or his attorneys in the summer of 1189. The extensive English lands of the Bloets were a useful piece in the jigsaw of influence he was building up in the south-west of England. Their manors lay in Gloucestershire, northern Hampshire, Wiltshire and Somerset, precisely the areas in which the Marshall was developing ambitions to raise an affinity. Ralph’s other brother, Walter , was castellan of Raglan and a great man in northern Gwent. Ralph too was an important character in the Marches of Wales. He had married Nest, a sister of Iorwerth ap Owain, the Welsh ruler of Caerleon and the hereditary enemy of the lords of Chepstow.¹

; It is not known when the first 'motte-and-bailey' castle was built at Raglan, however a castle was in existence by 1174 when Raglan was granted to Walter Bloet by Richard de Clare, lord of nearby Chepstow. During the13th and 14th centuries Raglan remained a minor holding of a purely military nature, continuing in the Bloet family until passing to the Berkeleys through marriage in 1399.
Source: William Marshall, Court, Career and Chivalry in the Angevin Empire 1147-1219, P 139 Arthur: David Crouch Edited by: David Bates Published by: Pearson Education Limited; Edinburgh Gate, Harlow, Essex CM20 2je, England; First Published 1953; Longman Group UK Limited 1990 ISBN 0-582-03787-5 and ISBN 0-582-03786-7.¹

     Ralph Blewett of Lackham married Ala/Alicia fitz Nicholas fitz Harding, daughter of Nicholas fitz Robert fitz Harding and Ala (?) de Gloucester.

     Ala/Alicia fitz Nicholas fitz Harding married Ralph Blewett of Lackham, son of Raoul/Ralph Blewett of Hampshire.

     Nicholas fitz Robert fitz Harding married Ala (?) de Gloucester.

     Ala (?) de Gloucester married Nicholas fitz Robert fitz Harding.

     Walter Blewett "the Viking" was born circa 987.¹
      ; per Blewett: "the name Bloet is of Viking origin. they arrived in Northern Scotland in 870 AD and their descendeants landed in Northern France in 911 AD. Source: Valerie White."¹ Walter Blewett "the Viking" was also known as Walter Bluet.¹

     Elizabeth Talbot was born circa 1380.¹ She married John de Arundel 13th/6th Earl of Arundel, 3rd Lord Mautravers, son of Sir John de Arundel Knt., 2nd Lord Arundel and Elizabeth le Despenser, before 1397.¹

      ; CP, Volume 1, p. 247: "He [John d'Arundel, Lord Mautravers, 13th or 7th Earl of Arundel] m.,
before 1407, Eleanor, da. of Sir John Berkeley, of Beverstone, co.
Gloucester..."

Arundel's marriage to Eleanor Berkeley of Beverstone was his second.
His first marriage was to Elizabeth, eldest daughter of Richard, 4th
Lord Talbot and Ankaret le Strange, Lady of Blakemere.

>From 'Accounts of the Stewards of the Talbot Household at Blakemere
1392-1425' edited by Barbara Ross [Shropshire Record Series, Volume 7, 2003], p. 46 n. 2:

"Pollard [historian A.J. Pollard], 'Family of Talbot'[his 1968 PhD. thesis], 11, says that Eliz. may have been the eldest Talbot child,
that she played a fairly active role in her mother's household and may
have become a nun; however in P.R.O. 'Calendar of papal registers:
letters', vi. 71, there is a letter dated 6 Id. Oct. (10 Oct.) 1405 to
the Bishop of Hereford conveying a mandate to dispense John de Arundell
donsell and Eliz. de Talbot damsel, of the dioceses of Salisbury and
Hereford, allowing them to remain in the unconsummated marriage which
they formerly contracted, in ignorance, as they afterwards learned,
that they were related in the third and fourth degree."

John d'Arundel and Elizabeth Talbot were related as so:

Edmund, Earl of Arundel (k. 1326), had a son(A) and dau(B):
A) Richard, Earl of Arundel (d. 1376), who had
A2) John d'Arundel (d. 1379), Lord Mautravers, who had
A3) John d'Arundel (1364-1390), who had
A4) John d'Arundel, Lord Mautravers - groom

B) Mary of Arundel, Lady Strange of Blakemere (d. 1396), had
B2) Ankaret, Lady Strange of Blakemere (d. 1413), who had
B3) Elizabeth Talbot - bride

The groom, John d'Arundel, Lord Mautravers, was born in 1385. The
bride was a few years older. In the Salop IPM [18 Sept. 1383] of
Elizabeth, Lady Strange of Blakemere (1373-1383), first wife of Thomas
Mowbray, 1st duke of Norfolk, it was found that "Richard Talbot [4th Lord Talbot] has begotten two daughters, Elizabeth and Mary, both of
whom are still living."

CP, Volume 12 pt. 1, p. 616, states that Richard Talbot and Ankaret le
Strange were married "before 23 Aug. 1383", using the death of
Elizabeth, countess of Nottingham, as the parameter. But Barbara Ross,
'Stewards of the Talbot Household', states (p. 3) that Richard Talbot
"had been married, since at least 1377, to Ankaretta Lady Strange whose
inheritance Blakemere was."

Elizabeth Talbot, the eldest child, was born about 1380, and was about
five years older than her contracted husband John d'Arundel. Unlike
the next daughter, Mary Talbot (c.1382-1433), whose son and heir Sir
Thomas Greene was born 10 Feb. 1400, Elizabeth was still living in her
mother's household in 1401-2.

The marriage of John d'Arundel and Elizabeth Talbot was likely
contracted before 1396/7, when her father Richard, Lord Talbot, and
John's great-uncle and guardian the Earl of Arundel were still alive.
It seems highly unlikely that the parties were unaware they were
related, as is stated in the 1405 papal letter. What likely happened
was that the death of Lord Talbot and the execution of the Earl of
Arundel, led to a delay in the marriage going forward.

When Henry IV restored Thomas Fitzalan (1381-1415) to his father's
estates and earldom of Arundel in Oct. 1400, it may be that the
19-year-old earl was not eager to rush forward the marriage of his
kinsman (and heir male) John d'Arundel before he himself was married.
Elizabeth's two eldest Talbot brothers, Gilbert and John (future earl
of Shrewsbury), along with their stepfather Lord Furnival, fought with
the young earl of Arundel in Henry IV's Welsh wars. In 1405, the
marriage of the earl to Beatriz of Portugal was being negotiated, and
it may be at that point that it was determined to allow the marriage of
20-year-old John d'Arundel to 25-year-old Elizabeth Talbot to finally
move forward and be consummated.

As the eldest son of John d'Arundel and Eleanor Berkeley was born in
February 1408, John's marriage to Elizabeth Talbot was either annulled
due to the 1405 request for the papal dispensation not being granted,
or - more likely - ended due to Elizabeth's death in 1406/7. She is
not mentioned in the 1411-12, 1417-18, 1419-20 or 1424-5 Steward of
Blakemere accounts, though all three of her sisters are.

Finally, 'Collins Peerage' and other 19th-century genealogies say that
Elizabeth, daughter of Richard Talbot and Ankaret le Strange, was
married to Hugh de Cokesey. This stems from confusion with Elizabeth's
half-sister Joan Neville (b. 1404), daughter of Lord Furnival and
Ankaret le Strange. She was married to Sir Hugh de Cokesey (1405-1445)
by 1420, and predeceased him without issue.

Many thanks to Linda Jack for pointing out the existence of Barbara
Ross's book on the Stewards of Blakemere!¹

      ; Dear Bevan,

Many thanks for that find, and for sharing this 'CP
Correction' with the list. The records of the tenure of Perching,
Sussex confirms the existence of a daughter Margery Bardolf, and
provides strong circumstantial evidence for the relationship
of the de Poynings family (and now of that of Giles de Arderne)
to the Lords Bardolf.

Following is a bare-bones pedigree as derived from the
account in VCH (and a few other sources, CP included):


William Bardolf = Juliana de Sir Robert = Joan de
of Wormegay, I Gournay Aguillon I Ferrers
d. 1289 I d. Feb 1285/6 I
I____ ___________I
I I
Hugh Bardolf = Isabel Aguillon
Lord Bardolf I d. 1323
__________________________I_________________
I I I I
Sir Thomas William Nichole Margery
Lord Bardolf d.s.p. = (1) Sir Robert = Sir Michael
d. 1328 I de Arderne de Poynings
______________I (2) Thomas Wale k. 1314
I ________________________I____
I I I I I
Giles de Sir Thomas Margery
Arderne d. 1339 = Sir Edmund
fl. 1346 I Bacon
I d. 1349
I I
Sir Michael de I
Poynings V
fl. 1349;
d. March 1368/9



Your contribution is much appreciated! Good luck, and
good (continued) hunting.

Cheers, John.

     Margery Bardolf married Sir Michael de Poynings, son of Sir Luke de Poynings and Hawise (?), before 8 June 1298.^4,2

     Reference: Genealogics cites:
     1. The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden. X 659
     2. Hugh Bardolf Family History Report 2015, Ravilious, John.²

;
Per Ravilious email:"Dear Bevan,
     "Many thanks for that find, and for sharing this 'CP Correction' with the list. The records of the tenure of Perching, Sussex confirms the existence of a daughter Margery Bardolf, and provides strong circumstantial evidence for the relationship of the de Poynings family (and now of that of Giles de Arderne) to the Lords Bardolf.
     "Following is a bare-bones pedigree as derived from the account in VCH (and a few other sources, CP included):

William Bardolf = Juliana de Sir Robert = Joan de
of Wormegay, I Gournay Aguillon I Ferrers
d. 1289 I d. Feb 1285/6 I
I____ ___________I
I I
Hugh Bardolf = Isabel Aguillon
Lord Bardolf I d. 1323
__________________________I_________________
I I I I
Sir Thomas William Nichole Margery
Lord Bardolf d.s.p. = (1) Sir Robert = Sir Michael
d. 1328 I de Arderne de Poynings
______________I (2) Thomas Wale k. 1314
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I I I I I
Giles de Sir Thomas Margery
Arderne d. 1339 = Sir Edmund
fl. 1346 I Bacon
I d. 1349
I I
Sir Michael de I
Poynings V
fl. 1349;
d. March 1368/9

     "Your contribution is much appreciated! Good luck, and good (continued) hunting.
     "Cheers, John.¹ Margery Bardolf was living in February 1334.⁵

     Pons de Gévaudun Comte de Gévaudun married Unknown (?)
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His 1st wife.² Pons de Gévaudun Comte de Gévaudun married Unknown (?)
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His 3rd wife.² Pons de Gévaudun Comte de Gévaudun married Teutberga/Theutberga (?) between 1001 and 1008
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Her 2nd husband; His 2nd wife.^5,2
Pons de Gévaudun Comte de Gévaudun died between 26 February 1011 and 1016; Med Lands says murdered 26 Feb 1011/1016.²
     GAV-28.

; Per Med Lands:
     "PONS (-murdered [26 Feb 1011/1016]). "Stephanus filius quondam Bertrandi et Emildis" restored property "manso…Lacus" to Saint-Julien de Brioude which he had usurped after his father died by undated charter, signed by "domina Adalaiz…mariti sui Stephani atque filiorum suorum Poncii et Bertranni"[44]. "Episcopus sedis Aniciensis Vuido" names "Pontii comitis nepotis sui fratrisque eius Bertrandi" in a charter dated 13 Apr 997[45]. Comte de Gévaudan. "Poncius…comes…Gabalitanensis telluris necnon et Forensis patriæ" donated "ecclesiam Langat…in comitatu Gabalitensi, aliam ecclesiam…Favairolas…" to Saint-Julien de Brioude, for the souls of "genitorum suorum Stephani et Alais et uxoris eius Theotbergæ et filiorum eius Stephani et Poncii vel fratrum eius Bertrandi et Willelmus et nepotum eius Stephani, Rotberti et Willelmi", by charter dated Feb [1010], signed by "Roberti vicecomitis, Willelmi fratris eius…"[46]. "Stephanus vicecomes Gabalitanensium cum coniuge mea Aiamolde" founded the monastery of Langogne "in comitatu Gabalitano in vicaria Miliacense in villa…Lingonia secus ripam fluvii Elerii", with the consent of "…Rigaldi fratris mei et Urbani, filiique eius Simonis, Pontii quoque comitis ac Bertrandi fratrum", and donated property including "in comitatu Vivariensi" by charter dated 998[47]. "Duo germani fratres…Pontius, alter Bertrandus" donated property to Saint-Chaffre for the souls of "patris sui Stephani matrisque nomine Alaicis" by charter dated 1000[48]. The Chronicle of Saint-Pierre du Puy names "comes Gaufridus cognomento Grisogonella…Pontius et Bertrandus eius nepotes…matre eorum Adalaide sorore ipsius"[49]. "Poncius…comes…Gabalitanensis" donated property to Saint-Julien de Brioude for the souls of "genitorum meorum Stephani et Alaiz et uxoris meæ Theotberganæ et filiis meis Stephani et Poncii, vel fratribus meis Bertrando et Villelmo et nepotibus meis [Stephanum], Robertum atque Villelmum" by charter dated Feb 1011, subscribed by "Stephanus vicecomes…Rotberti vicecomitis, W. fratris sui…"[50]. The Liber miraculorum Sanctæ Fidæ name "Arsendis, uxor Vuillelmi Tholosani comitis, fratris…Pontii" and specify that the latter was murdered by "Artaldo…privigno suo", in revenge for the repudiation of his mother, Pons's second wife[51].
     "m firstly ---. This first marriage is demonstrated by the chronology of Pons’s children which shows that they could not have been born from his marriage to Theutberga.
     "m secondly ([1001/08], repudiated) as her second husband, THEUTBERGA, widow of ARTAUD Comte [de Lyon et de Forez], daughter of ---]. "Poncius…comes…Gabalitanensis telluris necnon et Forensis patriæ" donated "ecclesiam Langat…in comitatu Gabalitensi, aliam ecclesiam…Favairolas…" to Saint-Julien de Brioude, for the souls of "genitorum suorum Stephani et Alais et uxoris eius Theotbergæ et filiorum eius Stephani et Poncii vel fratrum eius Bertrandi et Willelmus et nepotum eius Stephani, Rotberti et Willelmi", by charter dated Feb [1010], signed by "Roberti vicecomitis, Willelmi fratris eius…"[52]. Her first marriage is confirmed by the Liber miraculorum Sanctæ Fidæ which specifies that "Pontii" was murdered by "Artaldo…privigno suo"[53].
     "m thirdly ---. According to Settipani, Pons repudiated his second wife in order to marry a third wife but he cites no source which confirms this third marriage[54].
     "Pons & his first wife had [three] children:
Med Lands cites: