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     Unknown (?) of Upper-Lorraine was born after 954.¹ She married Berthold I (?) Pfalzgraf of Bavaria, Graf an der Oberen Isar, son of Arnulf II (?) Pfalzgraf of Bavaria and (?) (?) of Swabia, circa 965.^1,2

      ; a daughter, *after 954; m.ca 965 Berthold I of Upper Isar (*by 954, +ca 26.8.990.)¹

     Adalbero (?) of Lorraine died before 1014.¹

     Konrad II (?) Duke of Kärnten was born between 1002 and 1003.²
Konrad II (?) Duke of Kärnten died on 20 July 1039.^1,2
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: I 4.¹ Konrad II (?) Duke of Kärnten was also known as Conrad (?) of Carinthia.⁶ He was Duke of Kärnten between 1036 and 1039.¹

     Bruno (?) von Kärnten, Bishop of Würzburg was born circa 1004.²
Bruno (?) von Kärnten, Bishop of Würzburg died on 27 May 1045.^1,2
      ; Leo van de Pas cites: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: I 4.¹

     Friedrich III (?) Duke of Upper Lorraine was born circa 1020.^1,2
Friedrich III (?) Duke of Upper Lorraine died in 1033.^1,2
      ; Leo van de Pas cites: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: I 12.¹ He was Duke of Upper-Lorraine between 1026 and 1033.^1,2

     Robert II (?) Cte de Namur died circa 1031.¹

     Godfrey (?) Comte de Durbuy died circa 1124.¹ He married Alix (?) de Grandpre, daughter of Henri I de Grandpré Comte de Grandpré et de Porcien and Ermentrude de Joux, circa 1124.¹

      ; Godfrey, Cte de Durbuy, +ca 1124; m.Alix, dau.of Cte Henri de Grandpre.¹

     Alix (?) de Grandpre married Godfrey (?) Comte de Durbuy, son of Henri I (?) Comte de Durbuy, circa 1124.¹

      ; Alix, dau.of Cte Henri de Grandpre.¹

     Henri I de Grandpré Comte de Grandpré et de Porcien married Ermentrude de Joux, daughter of Conon/Falco de Grandson and Adelheid/Aelis de Ramerupt.^7,3,4,8

Henri I de Grandpré Comte de Grandpré et de Porcien died before 1151; Genealogics and Racines et Histoire (Grandpré) say d. bef 1151; Med Lands says d. 1148/51.^7,3,4
     Reference: Genealogics cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.), Reference: VII 11.⁷

; Per Med Lands:
     "HENRI [I], son of HENRI [Hezelin] Comte & his wife --- de Porcien (-[1148/51]). The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. Comte de Grandpré. Comte de Château-Porcien: Barthélemy records that, after the death of Roger Comte de Porcien, Henri inherited part of his assets “qui forma le fief de Château-Porcien” and as such confirmed donations made by his predecessors to Cuissy by charter dated 1134 and together with “la petite-fille de Roger qui avait épousé Clérembaud de Rosoy” donated Notre-Dame de Château-Porcien to Reims Saint-Nicaise by charter dated 1148[856].
     "m ERMENTRUDE [de Joux], daughter of [CONON "Falcon" de Grandson & his wife Aelis de Ramerupt]. Three different sources specify somewhat different versions of the parentage of Ermentrude. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Ebalum et…episcopum Laudunensem Bartholomeum et eorum sorores" as children of "Aeliz de Sarrata in Burgundia", specifying that one sister married "Henrico comiti de Grandi prato"[857]. The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis refers to "unam sororum domni Bartholomei" as wife of "Henricus de Grandi-prato"[858]. The Miraculis S. Mariæ Laudunensis names "Ermentrudis" as one of "aliis filiis et filiabus" of Foulques de Joux and his wife, adding that she married "Henricus comes de Grandiprato"[859]. It is possible that Ermentrude was the sister of Ebles [I] de Grandson, although the reference to “Joux” has not been clarified."
Med Lands cites:

; Per Racines et Histoire (Grandpré): “Henri 1er de Grandpré + dès 1151 comte de Grandpré et de Porcien (~1120), comte de Verdun (1120/24)
     ép. Ermentrude de Joux (alias de Grandson) (fille de Conon «Faucon» de La Sarraz (Grandson), et d’Adélaïde de Roucy ; est dite soeur de Barthélémi, Evêque de Laon)”.³

; Per Med Lands:
     "[ERMENTRUDE [de Joux] . Three different sources specify somewhat different versions of the parentage of Ermentrude. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names “Ebalum et…episcopum Laudunensem Bartholomeum et eorum sorores” as children of “Aeliz de Sarrata in Burgundia”, specifying that one sister married “Henrico comiti de Grandi prato”[1115]. The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis refers to “unam sororum domni Bartholomei” as wife of “Henricus de Grandi-prato”[1116]. The Miraculis S. Mariæ Laudunensis names “Ermentrudis” as one of “aliis filiis et filiabus” of Foulques de Joux and his wife, adding that she married “Henricus comes de Grandiprato”[1117]. It is possible that Ermentrude was the sister of Ebles [I] de Grandson, although if that is correct the reference to “Joux” has not been explained (other than the confusion concerning Joux referred to above in relation to her supposed father).
     "m HENRI Comte de Grandpré et de Porcien, son of HENRI [Hezelin] Comte & his wife --- de Porcien (-before 1151).]"
Med Lands cites: He was Comte de Porcien between 1120 and 1165.¹⁰

     Albert (?) de Namur, Count of Jaffa married Mabil/Mamille de Roucy, daughter of Ebles II de Montdidier Comte de Roucy and Sybille de Hauteville, between 1118 and 1119.¹

Albert (?) de Namur, Count of Jaffa died before 1122.¹
      ; Albert of Namur, Ct of Jaffa, +shortly before 1122; m.1118/9 Manille, widow of Hugues de Puiset, Ct of Jaffa.¹

     Frederick (?) de Namur, Bishop of Liege died in 1121; murdered.¹

     Frederick (?) de Namur, Archbishop of Tyrus died in 1174.¹
      ; Archbishop of Tyrus.¹

     Hedwig (?) of Hungary married Siegfried (?) Graf 'von Luxemburg', son of Wigeric (?) Count in the Trier & Ardennesgau and Kunigunde (?), circa 955
; his 1st wife?^1,2

     Giselbert I (?) of Longwy, Graf im Moselgau was born circa 950.¹
Giselbert I (?) of Longwy, Graf im Moselgau died in 1004 at Pavia, Provincia di Pavia, Lombardia, Italy (now); killed in battle.¹
     ; NB: The traditional sources showed Gisèle and Otgive de Luxemburg as the daus. of Graf Friedrich I and his wife Imtrud.
     This is the case for Med Lands, Racines et Histoire (Luxembourg), and the less authoritative Genealogy.EU (Luxemburg 3).
     However, Genealogics has now changed that to show the two women as the daus. of Friedrich I's brother, Graf Giselbert. Genealogics cites Richardson [2013] as the source of this information.
     The Henry project shows Otgive and Gisèle as possible daughters of either Friedrich I or of his brother, Giselbert, stating this is based on "a contradictory passage, Otgive is stated to be daughter of Giselbert of Luxemburg, and the same time sister of men known to be sons of Frédéric ["Iste Balduinus vir pulcher, formosus et stature grandis, uxorem accepit Ogivam, filiam Gisleberti comitis de Lixelemborg, cuius fratres fuerent hi: Adalbero Metensis episcopus, Fredericus dux Lotharingie, Henricus dux Baioarie, Gislebertus comes de Salinis, Theodericus de Luzelenburch", Flandria Generosa]" The Henry Project cites: MGH SS = Monumenta Germaniae Historica, Scriptores series 9:318]. There is a longer discussion of the situation of Otgive's parents on her page at The Henry Project which concludes that "there is a good case" that Giselbert, the son of Siegfried and brother of Friedrich, was at least Otgiva's father. Elsewhere, The Henry Project accepts that "Gisèle is known to have been a sister of Otgive, and her connection to Giselbert obviously depends on the correctness of Otgive's attribution as a daughter of Giselbert."
Conclusion: I have changed my connections to show Gisèle and Otgive as the daus. of Giselbert, son of Siegried and brother of Friedrich I. GA Vaut.^{4,8,2,9,10,11,12,13,14}

;      Per Genealogy.EU (Luxemburg 8): “Ct Conrad of Arlon, *ca 985, +1032, maybe a son of Giselbert I of Longwy, Gf im Moselgau (+1004) had a son”
     However, no other source I can find makes this father/son link Therefore I have chosen to show no father for Conrad. GA Vaut.^15,13

Reference: Genealogics cites: Royal Ancestry (2013) , Richardson, Douglas. 5:503-504.² GAV-29.

; Per Genealogy.EU (Luxemburg 3): “A3. Giselbert I of Longwy, Gf im Moselgau, *ca 950, +k.a.Pavia 1004; m.NN”.¹⁶

     Dietrich (?) Bishop of Metz died in 1047.¹
      ; Bishop of Metz.¹

     Unknown (?) married Graf Thietmar (?)¹

      ; a daughter, m.Gf Thietmar.¹

      ; an Abbess.¹

     Siegfried (?) was living in 985.¹

     Henri II (?) Count of Luxemburg died in 1047.^1,4
     Henri II (?) Count of Luxemburg was also known as Henry (?) Duke of Bavaria.⁴

; Count of Luxemburg.¹

     Adalbert (?) of Luxemburg, Bishop of Metz died in 1072.^1,4
      ; Bishop of Metz.¹

     Dietrich de Luxembourg was living between 1012 and 1057.¹

      ; Gf Herman von Gleiberg (1045-75.)¹

      ; Gf Ludwig im Thurgau; m.Edgifa, dau.of King Edward I of England.¹

      ; Leo van de Pas cites: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, 4 volumes, Marburg, 1953, 1975., W. K. Prinz von Isenburg, Reference: II 23.¹ Rudolf (?) was living between 961 and 962.^1,2

      ; Abbess of Saint-Rémy in Lunéville.¹