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     Joyce La Zouche de Mortimer married John Botetourte 2nd Lord Botetourt of Weobley Castle, son of Sir Thomas Botetourte Knt., of Upton, Norfolk and Great Bradley, Suffolk and Joan de Somery, before 31 May 1347.^5,4,6,2,3

Joyce La Zouche de Mortimer died after 4 May 1372.^4,2
      ; van de Pas cites: The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: II 31.^5,2 She was living between 1375 and 1376.³

     John Botetourte 2nd Lord Botetourt of Weobley Castle was born circa 1318; Richardson says "aged 4 in 1322, 7 in 1324."^2,4,8 He married Joyce La Zouche de Mortimer, daughter of William La Zouche of Mortimer, 1st Lord Zouche and Alice de Toeni, before 31 May 1347.^2,1,4,9,8

John Botetourte 2nd Lord Botetourt of Weobley Castle died in 1385.¹⁰
John Botetourte 2nd Lord Botetourt of Weobley Castle died on 4 April 1386; died testate.^1,4,8
     He was Lord Botetourt of Weobley Castle at Weobley, Lincolnshire, England.²

; "John de Botetourt, 2nd baron, who had livery of his lands in the 14th Edward III, and in two years afterwards attended the king in the expedition made then into France, in the train of Thomas de Beauchamp, Earl of Warwick. From that period his lordship appears to have been constantly engaged in the French wars of his sovertiegn, and was summoned to parliament from 25 February, 1342, to 3 February, 1385. He m. 1st, Matilda, dau. of John de Grey, Baron Grey, of Rotherfield, and had two daus., Elizabeth, m. or contracted to be m. to Sir Baldwin Freville, of Tamworth, Knt., and Joyce, who m. 1st, Baldwin Freville, Esq., of Tamworth; and 2ndly, to Adam Pershal, of Weston-under Lizeard, co. Stafford, Knt., and had issue by the former,
Baldwin Freville, who dying before his mother, left by his wife, Johanna, dau. of Sir Thomas Green, Knt.,
Baldwin, who d. young.
Elizabeth, m. Thomas, 2nd son of William, Lord Ferrers, of Groby.
Margaret, m. 1st, to Sir Hugh Willoughby, Knt., and 2ndly, to Sir Richard Bingham, Knt.
Joyce, m. to Sir Roger Aston, Knt.
His lordship m. 2ndly, Joyce, dau. of William, Lord Zouche, of Mortimer (aunt and heir of Huge de la Zouce, of Richard's Castle), and had issue,
John, who m. Maud, dau. of John, Lord Grey, of Rotherfield, and predeceasing his father, left a son, John, who died before his grandfather, and a dau., Joyce, who m. Sir Hugh Burnell, Knt., and d.s.-. in 1406.
Matilda, abbess of Polesworth.
Agnes, a nun at Elstow.
Alice, m. to John Keriell, and had an only dau. and heiress, Johanne, who m. John Wykes, and left two daus., Agnes, who d. unm., and Joyce, m. to Hugh Stanley.
Katherine, m. to Marucie de Berkeley, of Stoke Gifford, co. Gloucester and left an only son and heir,
Maurice de Berkeley, who m. Joan, dau. of Sir John Denham, Knt., and his descendant (refer to Berkeley, Baron Botetourt),
Narbonne, was summoned to parliament as Baron Botetour in 1764, and d.s.p. in 1776, which caused the title to fall once more into Abeyance.
Elizabeth, heiress to he brother, m. to Charles, 4th Duke of Beaufort, in favour of whose son, Henry, 5th duke, the Barony of Botetourt was revived, by patent dated 4 June, 1803, to him and the heirs of his body.
John, 2nd Lord Botetour, d. in 1385, leaving Joyce, Lady Burnell, his grand-dau., his heiress; but that lady dying in 1406, the Barony of Botetourt then fell into Abeyance between his three surviving married daus., and so continued amongst their descendants for more than three centuries and a-half, when it was at length called out in favour of the representative of Katherine de Berkeley (see Berkeley, Baron Botetourt).¹¹ He was 2nd Lord (Baron) Botetourt.¹ John Botetourte 2nd Lord Botetourt of Weobley Castle was also known as John de Botetourt 2nd Lord Botetourt.⁴

; van de Pas cites: The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: II 31.⁴ He was MP between 1342 and 1385.²

     Sir Thomas Botetourte Knt., of Upton, Norfolk and Great Bradley, Suffolk married Joan de Somery, daughter of Roger de Somery Baron Dudley and Agnes (?), before 1318.^2,1,4,8,3

Sir Thomas Botetourte Knt., of Upton, Norfolk and Great Bradley, Suffolk died before 28 July 1322; died before his father.^1,3
      ; van de Pas cites: The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: II 235.⁴

; Weis MCS 101A-6.⁹

     Joan de Somery was born in 1292; Richardson says "aged 30 in 1322."³ She married Sir Thomas Botetourte Knt., of Upton, Norfolk and Great Bradley, Suffolk, son of John de Botetourt 1st Baron Botetourt and Matilda/Maud Fitz Thomas, before 1318.^6,1,7,2,3

Joan de Somery died before 12 February 1338.³
      ; van de Pas cites: The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: II 235.²

; Weis MCS 101A-6.⁸ She was living on 18 January 1327.²

     Joyce Botetourte married Sir Baldwin III Freville Knt., of Tamworth, Warsickshire, son of Sir Baldwin II Freville Knt., of Tamworth and Ida de Clinton, before 1368
; her 1st husband.^{9,10,11,7,2,12,3} Joyce Botetourte was born in 1367/68.⁹ She married Sir Adam de Peshale Knt., of Peshale and Shifnal, Shropshire, son of Adam de Peshale of Horsley, Staffordshire and Joan de Eyton, after 30 December 1387
; his 3rd wife; her 2nd husband.^9,1,7,2,3
Joyce Botetourte died on 12 August 1420.^9,7,2,3
      ; van de Pas cites: 1. A Genealogical History of the dormant, abeyant, forfeited and extinct peerages of the British Empire, London, 1866, Burke, Sir Bernard, Reference: 224
2. Genealogists' Magazine, Journal of the Society of Genealogists, London, Reference: JUne 1984 Patrick Montague Smith.⁷ Joyce Botetourte was also known as Joyce de Botetourt.⁷

     Sir Baldwin III Freville Knt., of Tamworth, Warsickshire was born circa 1349; Richardson says "aged 26 in 1375."^9,3,4 He married Elizabeth Botetourte, daughter of John Botetourte 2nd Lord Botetourt of Weobley Castle and Joyce La Zouche de Mortimer, in 1353
; his 1st wife.^4,5 Sir Baldwin III Freville Knt., of Tamworth, Warsickshire married Joyce Botetourte, daughter of John Botetourte 2nd Lord Botetourt of Weobley Castle and Joyce La Zouche de Mortimer, before 1368
; her 1st husband.^{9,2,6,10,3,5,4}
Sir Baldwin III Freville Knt., of Tamworth, Warsickshire died on 30 December 1387; Utz and Richardson say d. 30 Dec 1387; Weis says 1387/8.^9,6,3,5
     Sir Baldwin III Freville Knt., of Tamworth, Warsickshire lived at Tamworth Castle, originally Warwickshire, now Staffordshire, England.⁹

; per van de Pas: "Son of Sir Baldwin Freville, of Tamworth, and Ida Clinton, Sir Baldwin Freville was born about 1350/1351. His two wives, Elizabeth de Botetourt and Joyce de Botetourt, were heiresses of Sir John de Botetourt, 2nd Baron de Botetourt. Elizabeth died young and Joyce, widow of Sir Adam de Pershall, was the mother of his heir.

In 1377 he claimed, as feudal lord of Tamworth Castle, to be the king's champion on the day of the coronation of King Richard II; but the same was determined against him, in favour of Sir John Dymock, in richt of the tenure of the manor of Scrivelsby, and the Dymocks have ever since enjoyed the honour."⁵

; van de Pas cites: 1. A Genealogical History of the dormant, abeyant, forfeited and extinct peerages of the British Empire, London, 1866, Burke, Sir Bernard, Reference: 224
2. Genealogists' Magazine, Journal of the Society of Genealogists, London, Reference: June 1984 Patrick Montague Smith.⁵

     Sir Adam de Peshale Knt., of Peshale and Shifnal, Shropshire married Elizabeth de Weston, daughter of John de Weston Knt., of Weston under Lizard, circa 1362
; his 1st wife; her 2nd husband.¹ Sir Adam de Peshale Knt., of Peshale and Shifnal, Shropshire married Elizabeth ferch Philip ap Rees, daughter of Philip ap Rees Knt., of Talgarth English, Herefordshire, between 1369 and 1370
; his 2nd wife.¹ Sir Adam de Peshale Knt., of Peshale and Shifnal, Shropshire married Joyce Botetourte, daughter of John Botetourte 2nd Lord Botetourt of Weobley Castle and Joyce La Zouche de Mortimer, after 30 December 1387
; his 3rd wife; her 2nd husband.^2,3,4,1,5
Sir Adam de Peshale Knt., of Peshale and Shifnal, Shropshire died on 26 October 1419.^2,1,5
      ; van de Pas cites: A Genealogical History of the dormant, abeyant, forfeited and extinct peerages of the British Empire, London, 1866, Burke, Sir Bernard, Reference: 224.⁶ Sir Adam de Peshale Knt., of Peshale and Shifnal, Shropshire was also known as Sir Adam de Pershall.⁶

     Sir Baldwin II Freville Knt., of Tamworth married Joane Strange
; his 2nd wife.⁶ Sir Baldwin II Freville Knt., of Tamworth was born on 15 August 1317.^3,4 He married Ida de Clinton, daughter of Sir John de Clinton Knt., 2nd Lord Clinton of Maxstoke and Margery/Mary Corbet, before 6 June 1346
; her 2nd husband.^7,8,3,9,10,4
Sir Baldwin II Freville Knt., of Tamworth died on 23 March 1375 at age 57.^7,8,3,4
     Sir Baldwin II Freville Knt., of Tamworth lived at Tamworth Castle, originally Warwickshire, now Staffordshire, England.⁷

; van de Pas cites: A Genealogical History of the dormant, abeyant, forfeited and extinct peerages of the British Empire, London, 1866, Burke, Sir Bernard, Reference: 224.³ He was living between 1317 and 1375.²

     Ida de Clinton married Sir John le Strange Knt., of Middle, Shropshire, etc., son of Sir John V le Strange Knt., 1st Lord Strange of Knockyn and Maud de Walton, before 15 April 1332
; her 1nst husband.⁸ Ida de Clinton married Sir Baldwin II Freville Knt., of Tamworth, son of Sir Baldwin I Freville of Tamworth and Elizabeth de Montfort, before 6 June 1346
; her 2nd husband.^{9,10,11,2,3,8}
Ida de Clinton died before 1368.¹⁰
      ; Weis identifies her as "Ida de Montfort"; McNett identifies her as "Ida de Clinton."^1,9

; van de Pas cites: A Genealogical History of the dormant, abeyant, forfeited and extinct peerages of the British Empire, London, 1866, Burke, Sir Bernard, Reference: 224.³

; Weis MCS 101A-7.⁹ Ida de Clinton was also known as Ida de Montfort.⁹ Ida de Clinton was also known as Ida Clinton.³

     Joane Greene married Sir Baldwin IV Freville Knt., of Tamworth Castle, co. Warwick, son of Sir Baldwin III Freville Knt., of Tamworth, Warsickshire and Joyce Botetourte, in 1389
; his 1st wife.^2,3,4,1,5
      ; van de Pas cites: A Genealogical History of the dormant, abeyant, forfeited and extinct peerages of the British Empire, London, 1866, Burke, Sir Bernard, Reference: 224.^2,1

     Joyce Freville married Sir Roger de Aston Knt., of Tixall and Brocton, Staffordshire, son of Sir Thomas de Aston Knt., of Hywood and Brocton, Staffordshire and Elizabeth Leigh,
; his 1st wife.^7,1,3,4,5
Joyce Freville died before 1418.^7,4

     Agnes de Bohun was born circa 1314 at Caldecot, Northamptonshire, England. She married Sir Robert de Ferrers 3rd Lord Ferrers of Chartley, son of Sir John de Ferrers 1st Lord Ferrers of Chartley, co. Salop and Hawise de Muscegros of Charlton, co. Somerset, before 20 October 1330
; his 1st wife.^2,3,4
Agnes de Bohun died circa 1343; Weis says d. aft Aug 1331; racines et Histoires says d. ca 1343.²
     GKJ-21. Agnes de Bohun was also known as Margaret van de Pas calls her Margaret (no surname) and cites the Complete Peerage. Racines et Histoire names her as Alice de Bohun.⁵

     Anne Warde married Ralph Neville Esq., of Thornton Bridge, Yorks, son of William Neville and Joan Boynton, circa 1501.^5,2

Anne Warde died in October 1521.²
      ; Perhaps an ammendement to Tim's post:

>>

(1) John Neville of Oversley m Elizabeth Newmarch
(1)Sir William Gascoigne m. Margaret Clarell

>> (2) Joan Neville m. Sir William Gascoigne (d. abt 1463)

(3)Sir William Gascoigne m. Margaret Percy (dau. Henry Percy and
Eleanor Poynings [Henry PERCY Earl of Northumberland (1421 - 1461) >> m. Eleanor POYNINGS Baroness Poynings (c.1422 - 1484)]
>> (3) Margaret Gascoigne m. Christopher Warde
>> (4) Ralph NEVILLE m. Anne WARDE (dau. and heiress of Christopher Warde and Margaret Gascoigne)
>> "(5) Katherine NEVILLE (c.1492 - >1530) m. N N DARCY
>> (6) Frances DARCY m. Peter GOBARD ( - c.1567)
>> (7) John GOBERT ( - c.1625) m. Lucy SMITH ( - >1623)
>> (8) Frances GOBERT ( - <1623)
>> m. Sir Thomas BARRINGTON Bart ( - c.1644)
>> (8) Anne GOBERT* ( - <1676)
>> m. Thomas LEIGH (<1593 - c.1644)
>> (8) Anne GOBERT* ( - <1676) m. Alexander RIGBY"


Not proven, assembled from various of the visitation pedigrees
including: Flowers,Yorks; Tonge, Visitation of the North, Harvet,
Visitation of the North; Surtees, Huntere, etc.

Food for thought.

Doug Smith.³

Reference: van de Pas cites: 1. Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America bef. 1700, Baltimore, 1995, Weis, Frederick Lewis; Sheppard, Walter, Reference: 6
2. Hon. Katherine Fairfax Ancestor List 2013, Verity, Brad, Reference: nr 51.²

Reference: Weis MCS 102-13.⁵

     Ralph Neville Esq., of Thornton Bridge, Yorks was born circa 1465.² He married Anne Warde, daughter of Sir Christopher Ward Knt., of Givendale and Margaret Gascoigne, circa 1501.^3,4

Ralph Neville Esq., of Thornton Bridge, Yorks died on 24 July 1522.²
     Ralph Neville Esq., of Thornton Bridge, Yorks lived at Thornton Bridge, England.³

     Katherine Neville was born circa 1500; Smith email 17 June 2005 says b. ca 1492; Richardson says b. ca 1501.^5,3,1,2 She married Sir Walter Strickland Knt., of Sizergh (in Kendal), Westmorland, son of Sir Walter Strickland K.B., of Sizergh and Elizabeth Pennington, circa 1515
; his 2nd wife.^5,1,6,2 Katherine Neville married Henry Burgh Esq., of Black Friars, London, son of Sir Edward Burgh Knt., in 1529
; her 2nd husband.¹
Katherine Neville died after 1530.³ She married (?) Darcy circa 1532
; her 3rd husband.^3,1 Katherine Neville married William Knyvett Esq., of Collyweston, Northamptonshire before 3 March 1535
; her 4th husband.¹
      ; van de pas cites: 1. The Royal Lineage of Our Noble and Gentle Families, London, 1884, Foster, Joseph, Reference: 128
2. Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America bef. 1700, Baltimore, 1995, Weis, Frederick Lewis; Sheppard, Walter, Reference: 6.² Katherine Neville was living between 1538 and 1544.¹

     Sir Walter Strickland Knt., of Sizergh (in Kendal), Westmorland married Agnes Redman, daughter of Richard Redman,
; his 1st wife.¹ Sir Walter Strickland Knt., of Sizergh (in Kendal), Westmorland was born before 1498; van de Pas says b. 1497.^1,2 He married Katherine Neville, daughter of Ralph Neville Esq., of Thornton Bridge, Yorks and Anne Warde, circa 1515
; his 2nd wife.^6,1,2,7
Sir Walter Strickland Knt., of Sizergh (in Kendal), Westmorland died between 9 January 1526 and 1527.^6,1
     Sir Walter Strickland Knt., of Sizergh (in Kendal), Westmorland lived at Sizergh, Westmorland, England.⁶

; van de pas cites: 1. The Royal Lineage of Our Noble and Gentle Families, London, 1884, Foster, Joseph, Reference: 131
2. Burke's Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage, Baronetage and Knightage, London, Reference: (1938) 2348.²

     Ellen Strickland died after 1622.³
      ; Richardson says she was either illegitimate and the dau. of an unknown mistress or his former wife, Agnes.¹

     Sir Robert de Lathom of Lathom, co. Lancs. married Katherine Knowsley, daughter of Sir Thomas de Knowsley.

Sir Robert de Lathom of Lathom, co. Lancs. died between 28 October 1320 and 5 October 1328; Ravilious cites:
2. "Access to Archives," http://www.a2a.pro.gov.uk/
5. "Access to Archives," http://www.a2a.pro.gov.uk/.^2,3
      ; Sir Robert de Lathom of Lathom, co. Lancs.
Death: bef 5 Oct 1328[2]

‘ Roberto de Lathum ‘, knight, witness (together with Sir William le Boteler, Sir Robert Banastre, Sir Robert de Holand and others) to charter of Edmund, earl of Lancaster to the prior and canons of Burscough for a market at the manor of Ormskirk, dated in festo sancti Michaelis, 14 Edw. I (29 Sept 1286). [Inspeximus of Edward II, Mon. Angl. VI(1):458[1]]

' Robert, Lord of Lathum ', witness (together with Lord William the Bottler, Robert, Lord of Holland and others) to agreement dated Fri. before Nativity St. John. Baptist. 26 Ed. son of Hen. [20 June 1298]: ' Agreement: William son. of Henry of Lee and William son of Henry of Clifton - W.L. grant to W.C. 30 ac. land in Clifton Marsh, as an improvement.
Witn: Lord William the Bottler, Robert, Lord of Lathum, Robert, Lord of Holland, the Lord John Devias, the Lord Eustace of Cotesbek, Thomas Banastre, Adam of Midilton, Robert of Haydock, Gilbert of Syngleton, Robert of Condeclif John Banastre, Henry of Lee, John of Burton, clerk. Given at...., Fri. before Nativity St. John. Baptist. 26 Ed. son of Hen.' - A2A, Lancashire Record Office: Clifton of Lytham, Deeds and Documents : Clifton-with-Salwick. Clifton Marsh, DDCL 1240[2]

' Lord Robert of Lathum ', witness (together with Lord John of Hodeliston and others of a quitclaim of all services due from the manor of Barton , dated at Lancaster, the Monday before the feast of Tiberius and Valerianus, 32 Edward I [13 April 1304] - A2A, Lancashire Record Office: Papers of the Kay Shuttleworth Family of Gawthorpe [DDKS 1 - DDKS 16], DDKS 1/4[2]

Charters for a market (Fri) and fair [vfm, Wilfrid (12 Oct)] at Roby, co. Lancs. granted 29 Jul 1304, by King Edward I to Robert de Lathom (CChR, 1300–26, p. 46) 'To be held at the manor'[4]

Charters for a market (Tues) and fair [vfm, Barnabas (11 Jun)] at Lathom, co. Lancs. granted 29 Jul 1304, by King Edward I to Robert de Lathom (CChR, 1300–26, p. 46) 'To be held at the manor'[4]

' Sir Robert de Lathum', entered into agreement dated 2 Ed II [1308-09] with Sir Hugh de Eland for the marriage of their children:' Agreement for marriage between John, son of Sir Hugh de Eland' and Alice daughter of Sir Robert de Lathum, providing for their ultimate possession of Sir Hugh's lands in Eland', Tankerlay and Rochdale (Elland, Yk Tankersley, Yk Rochdale, Yk) ' - A2A, Nottinghamshire Archives: Savile of Rufford: Deeds and Estate Papers [DD/SR/13 - DD/SR/205], DD/SR/28/3/1[2]

Grant dated [reign of Edward II, i.e. 1307-1327]:' Parties Names: Richard de Lathum. His brother Sui Robert de Lathum & Katerine his wife Grant of le [...] Rosheheye with Turnoinsholm-upon-Dogeles in Perbolde, formerly held [...] by Master Robert of Ryponne.
[...] Wiln William of Stonedyst, Thomas of Longetre, John of Cleemale Henry of [...] Tunlegh, Henry of Wytton, John of de Cross, Robert of the Taldeforth, Richard of [...] Bresthone ' - A2A, Lancashire Record Office: Stanley, Earls of Derby (of Knowsley) [DDK/100 - DDK/240], Deeds and Conveyances: BURSCOUGH, DDK/133/1[2]

' Robert de Lathum....knight', witness (with William de Dacre and others) to Grant by Richard de Loughteburgh to Henry fil. Thome de Chernok, of all his land in Longerudyngh in Chorlegh, which he had by grant from Richard del Haselhurst. Rent, 7 shillings, dated Boulton, Sat. the F. of St. Mary Magd. [22 July] 29 Edw.I [1301] - A2A, Lancashire Record Office: Tatton of Cuerden, CO. LANCASTER. CHARNOCK, CHORLEY, ETC : DDTA 13[2]

' Robert de Lathum....knight', witness (with William de Dacre and others) to Lease by Adam fil. Henrici de Chernok to Gilbert de Bullyng, clerk, and his heirs, etc. for his life and for six years after his death, of four pieces of land with buildings in Chorlegh called, respectively, Le Merfeld, le Haukehurst, Haypughil and le Lungeridyng, all of which Robert, the said Adam's brother held for his life with common of pasture, quittance of pannage, etc. as is contained in the charters of Richard de Lughteburgh; rent, a grain of pepper at Midsummer, dated at Chorlegh, Fri. bef. Easter [9 Apr.] 9 Edw. II [1316] - A2A, Lancashire Record Office: Tatton of Cuerden, CO. LANCASTER. CHARNOCK, CHORLEY, ETC : DDTA 26[2]

Lease by Richard de Lathum to Robert de Lathum, his brother, and his wife Katherine, dated 28 Oct 1320- A2A, Manchester University, John Rylands Library: Rylands Charters [RYCH/1 - RYCH/1942], NORTHWICH, WINNINGTON, etc. (co. Chester), RYCH/872[2]

Spouse: Katherine de Knowsley
Father: Sir Thomas de Knowsley, of Knowsley, co. Lancs.

Children: Sir Thomas (-1370)
Alice
Philip

Ravilious cites:
1. Sir William Dugdale, "Monasticon Anglicanum," London: Harding & Lepard; and Longman Rees... Green, 1830, Vol. VI, Pt. 1 - Austin Abbey of Wigmore, in Herefordshire, pp. 348-356 [Fundationis et Fundatorum Historia], Vol. VI, Pt. 2 - Priory of Bullington, co. Lincs., pp. 951-954.
2. "Access to Archives," http://www.a2a.pro.gov.uk/
3. "The Occupants of The Ancient office of High Sheriff of the County of Lancashire from 1160 to 1603," http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/Documents/sheriffs_of_lancashire.htm
4. "Gazetteer of Markets and Fairs to 1516," www.histparl.ac.uk/cmh/gaz/.²

; ' Robert, Lord of Lathum ', witness (together with Lord William the
Bottler, Robert, Lord of Holland and others) to agreement dated Fri.
before Nativity St. John. Baptist. 26 Ed. son of Hen. [20 June 1298]:
' Agreement: William son. of Henry of Lee and William son of Henry
of Clifton - W.L. grant to W.C. 30 ac. land in Clifton Marsh, as an
improvement.
Witn: Lord William the Bottler, Robert, Lord of Lathum, Robert,
Lord of Holland, the Lord John Devias, the Lord Eustace of Cotesbek,
Thomas Banastre, Adam of Midilton, Robert of Haydock, Gilbert of
Syngleton, Robert of Condeclif John Banastre, Henry of Lee, John of
Burton, clerk. Given at...., Fri. before Nativity St. John. Baptist.
26 Ed. son of Hen.' - A2A, Lancashire Record Office: Clifton of
Lytham, Deeds and Documents : Clifton-with-Salwick. Clifton Marsh,
DDCL 1240[5]

' Lord Robert of Lathum ', witness (together with Lord John of
Hodeliston and others] of a quitclaim of all services due from the
manor of Barton , dated at Lancaster, the Monday before the feast of
Tiberius and Valerianus, 32 Edward I [13 April 1304]
- A2A, Lancashire Record Office: Papers of the Kay
Shuttleworth Family of Gawthorpe [DDKS 1 - DDKS 16], DDKS 1/4[5]

Charters for a market (Fri) and fair [vfm, Wilfrid (12 Oct)] at Roby,
co. Lancs. granted 29 Jul 1304, by King Edward I to Robert de Lathom
(CChR, 1300–26, p. 46) 'To be held at the manor'[6]

Charters for a market (Tues) and fair [vfm, Barnabas (11 Jun)] at
Lathom, co. Lancs. granted 29 Jul 1304, by King Edward I to Robert de
Lathom (CChR, 1300–26, p. 46) 'To be held at the manor'[6]

'Sir Robert de Lathum', entered into agreement dated 2 Ed II [1308-09]
with Sir Hugh de Eland for the marriage of their children:
' Agreement for marriage between John, son of Sir Hugh de Eland' and
Alice daughter of Sir Robert de Lathum, providing for their ultimate
possession of Sir Hugh's lands in Eland', Tankerlay and Rochdale
(Elland, Yk Tankersley, Yk Rochdale, Yk) ' - A2A, Nottinghamshire
Archives: Savile of Rufford: Deeds and Estate Papers
[DD/SR/13 - DD/SR/205], DD/SR/28/3/1[5]

Grant dated [reign of Edward II, i.e. 1307-1327]:
' Parties Names: Richard de Lathum.
His brother Sui Robert de Lathum & Katerine his wife
Grant of le [...] Rosheheye with Turnoinsholm-upon-Dogeles in
Perbolde, formerly held [...] by Master Robert of Ryponne.
[...] Wiln William of Stonedyst, Thomas of Longetre, John of
Cleemale Henry of [...] Tunlegh, Henry of Wytton, John of de Cross,
Robert of the Taldeforth, Richard of [...] Bresthone '
- A2A, Lancashire Record Office: Stanley, Earls of Derby (of
Knowsley) [DDK/100 - DDK/240], Deeds and Conveyances: BURSCOUGH,
DDK/133/1[5]

' Robert de Lathum....knight', witness (with William de Dacre and
others) to Grant by Richard de Loughteburgh to Henry fil. Thome de
Chernok, of all his land in Longerudyngh in Chorlegh, which he had
by grant from Richard del Haselhurst. Rent, 7 shillings, dated
Boulton, Sat. the F. of St. Mary Magd. [22 July] 29 Edw.I [1301]
- A2A, Lancashire Record Office: Tatton of Cuerden, CO. LANCASTER.
CHARNOCK, CHORLEY, ETC : DDTA 13[5]

' Robert de Lathum....knight', witness (with William de Dacre and
others) to Lease by Adam fil. Henrici de Chernok to Gilbert de
Bullyng, clerk, and his heirs, etc. for his life and for six years
after his death, of four pieces of land with buildings in Chorlegh
called, respectively, Le Merfeld, le Haukehurst, Haypughil and le
Lungeridyng, all of which Robert, the said Adam's brother held for
his life with common of pasture, quittance of pannage, etc. as is
contained in the charters of Richard de Lughteburgh; rent, a grain
of pepper at Midsummer, dated at Chorlegh, Fri. bef. Easter [9 Apr.]
9 Edw. II [1316] - A2A, Lancashire Record Office: Tatton of Cuerden,
CO. LANCASTER. CHARNOCK, CHORLEY, ETC : DDTA 26[5]

Lease by Richard de Lathum to Robert de Lathum, his brother, and his
wife Katherine, dated 28 Oct 1320
- A2A, Manchester University, John Rylands Library: Rylands Charters
[RYCH/1 - RYCH/1942], NORTHWICH, WINNINGTON, etc. (co. Chester),
RYCH/872[5]

he evidently d. in 1325 or before: the IPM of Sir Robert de Lathom
stated to have been held in 1325

Spouse: Katherine de Knowsley
Father: Sir Thomas de Knowsley

Children: Sir Thomas de Lathom(-1370)
Alice, m. Sir John de Eland
Philip
Ravilious cites:
5. "Access to Archives," http://www.a2a.pro.gov.uk/
6. "Gazetteer of Markets and Fairs to 1516,"
www.histparl.ac.uk/cmh/gaz/.³ GAV-19 GKJ-21.

; Weis MCS 103-6.⁴

     Katherine Knowsley married Sir Robert de Lathom of Lathom, co. Lancs., son of Sir Robert de Lathom of Lathom, co. Lancs. and Joan de Millom.

Katherine Knowsley died after 1345.³
      .⁴ GAV-19 GKJ-21.

     GAV-20 GKJ-22.

; Weis MCS 103-6.³

     Sir Thomas de Lathom Knt., of Lathom and Knowsley, Lancastershire was born circa 1330 at Latham, Lancashire, England.³ He married Joan de Venables, daughter of Sir Hugh de Venables Lord of Kinderton and Margery|Margaret Cotton of Rudheth (Sandbach),
;
Her 1st husband.^5,4,6
Sir Thomas de Lathom Knt., of Lathom and Knowsley, Lancastershire died between 20 March 1381 and 1382; shortly before.^5,3,4
     GAV-17 GKJ-19.

; van de Pas cites: 1. Burke's Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage, Baronetage and Knightage, London, 1938, Reference: Page 784
2. Descendant Story - Gilbert de Venables 2002, Fettes, Ian Dundas, Reference: 17.³

Sir Thomas de Lathom Knt., of Lathom and Knowsley, Lancastershire lived at Latham, Lancashire, England.³

; Weis MCS 103-7.⁵ Sir Thomas de Lathom Knt., of Lathom and Knowsley, Lancastershire was also known as Thomas Lathom.⁷

     Joan de Venables married Sir Thomas de Lathom Knt., of Lathom and Knowsley, Lancastershire, son of Sir Thomas de Lathom Knt., of Lathom, co. Lancs. and Eleanor/Alianor de Ferrers,
;
Her 1st husband.^7,2,3 Joan de Venables married Roger de Fazarkerley before 1382
;
Her 2nd husband.^8,2,3 Joan de Venables married Sir Nicholas de Harington MP, of Farleton, son of Sir John de Harington Knt., of Farleton in Lonsdale and Katherine Banastre, before 18 August 1397
; her 3rd husband; date of fine.^8,2,3,9
Joan de Venables died after 18 August 1397.³
Joan de Venables died after 18 August 1397.²
     Reference: Genealogics cites: GAV-17 GKJ-19.

; This needs to be pruned quite a bit. As it was not customary until perhaps the 17th century for individuals to have middle names, you should automatically be suspicious of any pedigree which includes middle names for children as below.

Robert de Lathom d. abt 2 March 1325 and his wife Katherine Knowsley d. aft 1345 had 3 sons (Thomas, Hugh and Philip) and 1 daughter (Joan) for which there is documentation. See VCH Lancs.

As to your second question Sir Thomas de Lathom d. bef 20 Mar 1382, grandson of the above, was married once only and to Joan de Venables. Her affair with (her future second husband) Roger Fazarkerley (she married thirdly Sir Nicholas Harrington) was openly scandalous at the time of Thomas' death. They had two sons Edward and Thomas and four daughters: Isabel, Cecily, Katherine and Margaret. It was the son Thomas who was married to Isabel Pilkington. This Thomas died a year after his father leaving a daughter Ellen who was born pothumously and died at seven years old. Isabel
Pilkington was mother of Sir Richard Dalton from her second marriage to Sir John Dalton.⁸ Joan de Venables was also known as Joan Venables. Joan de Venables was also known as Joan/Jennet Venables of Kinderton.³

Joan de Venables lived at Kinderton, Cheshire, England; Weis MCS 103-7.⁷ She was living on 18 August 1397.²

     Isabel Lathom was born circa 1364.⁴ She married Sir Geoffrey de Worsley Knt., of Worsley, Lancashire circa 1382
; her 1st husband; his 2nd wife.¹ Isabel Lathom married Sir John Stanley KG, King of Man, son of Sir William de Stanley Lord of Manor of Stourton and Alice de Mascy, before 1385
; her 2nd husband.^5,6,7,1
Isabel Lathom died on 26 October 1414.^5,1
     GAV-16 GKJ-18. Isabel Lathom was also known as Isabel Lathom.⁴

     Sir John Stanley KG, King of Man was born in 1350.³ He married Isabel Lathom, daughter of Sir Thomas de Lathom Knt., of Lathom and Knowsley, Lancastershire and Joan de Venables, before 1385
; her 2nd husband.^3,4,1,2
Sir John Stanley KG, King of Man died between 28 January 1413 and 1414.¹
Sir John Stanley KG, King of Man died on 6 January 1413/14 at Ardee, co. Louth, Ireland.^3,2
     GAV-16 GKJ-18.

; "The Stanleys were descended from Adam de Aldithley who accompanied William the Conqueror to England and whose descendants inherited land in Staffordshire and Derbyshire. The surname derived from Stonely in Derbyshire."⁵

; Sir JOHN de STANLEY, KG (c 1405), SOVEREIGN LORD OF THE ISLE OF MAN; Ld Dep Ireland for Robert de Vere, Marquess of Dublin, 1386-88, Justiciary Ireland 1389-91, Justice Chester 1394, Controller Roy Household 1399, Lt Ireland 1399-1401, Steward Household to Henry Prince of Wales (later HENRY V) c 1403, Steward Macclesfield and Surveyor Forests of Macclesfield, Mare and Mondrem, Cheshire, 1403, Master Forester and Ranger of same 1403, Govr City and County of Chester 1403, granted by HENRY IV (it having been forfeited by the Earl of Northumberland (see NORTHUMBERLAND, D)) the Isle, Castle, peel and Ldship of Man 1406, Constable Windsor Castle 1409, Lt Ireland 1413-19; m by 1385 his 3rd cousin Isabel, dau and heir of Sir Thomas Lathom, of Lathom and Knowsley, Lancs (descended from Robert Fitz Henry, whose s, Robert, took the name Lathom from the place where he lived); d by 28 Jan 1413/4.¹ He was Constable of Rokesbergh, Scotland at Rokesbergh, Scotland.⁶ He was Lord Lieutenant of Ireland between 1399 and 1401.³ He was Governor of the city and co. of Chester in 1403 at Cheshire, England.³ He was King's Lieutenant for the Isle of Man between 4 October 1405 and 1414 at Isle of Man, England.^3,5 He was Constable of Windsor Castle between 1409 and 1414.³

     Sir William de Stanley Lord of Manor of Stourton married Alice de Mascy, daughter of Hugh de Mascy of Timperley.^2,3

Sir William de Stanley Lord of Manor of Stourton died circa 1398.¹
     GAV-17 GKJ-19.

; Burke's Peerage: "WILLIAM de STANLEY; Ld of Manor of Stourton etc, Hereditary Forester Wirral Forest 1361/2; allegedly m Alice, dau of Hugh Massey/de Mascy (see above), of Timperley, and sis of Sir Hamon Massey/de Mascy, of Dunham Massey, and d c 1398."^4,1

     Alice de Mascy married Sir William de Stanley Lord of Manor of Stourton, son of John de Stanley Lord of Manor of Stourton and Mabel Hawkset.^3,2

     GAV-17 GKJ-19. Alice de Mascy was also known as Alice Massey.³

.⁴

     Alice Bouth married Sir Robert Clifton Knt., of Clifton, co. Nottingham, son of Sir Gervase Clifton Knt., of Clifton & Hodsock, Notts and Isabel Franceys.^1,4,5

      ; van de Pas cites: The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald, Reference: Q 98406.⁴ Alice Bouth was also known as Alice Booth.⁴

     Sir John Boteler Knt., Baron of Warrington was born on 24 August 1429.¹ He married Margaret Gerard in August 1444.⁴
Sir John Boteler Knt., Baron of Warrington married Margaret Stanley, daughter of Sir Thomas I Stanley Knt., KG, 1st Lord Stanley of Lathom and Joan (Jane, Jean) Goushill, circa 1461
; her 2nd husband.^5,6,7,8
Sir John Boteler Knt., Baron of Warrington died on 26 February 1463 at age 33.⁵
     He was Baron of Warrington.⁵

     Joan (Jane) Troutbeck married Sir William Griffith Knt., KB, of Penryhn, Caernarvonshire, son of William Fychan ap Gwilym and Alice Dalton of Althorp, Northamptonshire,
; her 2nd husband; his 1st wife.^4,1,2,5 Joan (Jane) Troutbeck was born in 1459.¹ She married Sir William Boteler Knt., son of Sir John Boteler Knt.,
; her 1st husband.¹
     Reference: Genealogics cites:

; Weis MCS 103-11.⁶

     Mary Berkeley married Malcolm (?) Earl of Angus, son of Duncan (?) Earl of Angus.¹

      ; van de Pas cites: The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: I 146.¹

; van de Pas cites: Cahiers de Saint Louis , Dupont, Jacques and Saillot, Jacques, Reference: 978.⁴

; In "Living Descendents of Blood Royal" by Count d'Angerville, World Nobility and Peerage, ed. [1962?], p 449 in the article on Hunt-Kelly he states:
>
> "11 Elizabeth Comyn, d bef 17 Feb 1328/9; m Gilbert de Umfreville, b 1244, d bef 13 oct 1307, Baron Umfreville, Earl of Angus, M.P., 1296-1307, son of Gilbert de Umfreville and Maud, dau of Malcolm, Earl of Angus by Mary, dau. of Sir Humphrey Berkeley."²

; Weis MCS 108-4.⁵ GAV-26 EDV-21.