Pharamond (?) of the Franks
M, #4951, b. 404, d. 430
Father | Marcomir (?) of the Franks d. 404 |
Last Edited | 6 Dec 2002 |
Pharamond (?) of the Franks married Argotta Cimbri.1
Pharamond (?) of the Franks was born in 404 at Boadicea.1
Pharamond (?) of the Franks died in 430 at Westfalen, Germany.1
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Pharamond (?) of the Franks was born in 404 at Boadicea.1
Pharamond (?) of the Franks died in 430 at Westfalen, Germany.1
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Family | Argotta Cimbri |
Child |
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Citations
- [S616] Inc. Brøderbund Software, GEDCOM file imported on 26 Dec 1999 from World Family Tree Vol. 18, Ed. 1, Family #18-0770., CD-ROM (n.p.: Brøderbund Software, Inc., 1998). Hereinafter cited as WFT 18-0770.
Argotta Cimbri
F, #4952
Last Edited | 29 May 2001 |
Family | Pharamond (?) of the Franks b. 404, d. 430 |
Child |
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Citations
- [S616] Inc. Brøderbund Software, GEDCOM file imported on 26 Dec 1999 from World Family Tree Vol. 18, Ed. 1, Family #18-0770., CD-ROM (n.p.: Brøderbund Software, Inc., 1998). Hereinafter cited as WFT 18-0770.
BlithildesBilichilde (?)
F, #4953
Father | Clothaire I "le Vieux" (?) King of Soissons, King of the Franks1 b. bt 499 - 502, d. 29 Nov 561 |
Mother | Ingunde/Ingonde (?) des Francs2 b. c 499, d. 15 Aug 563 |
Reference | GAV37 |
Last Edited | 31 May 2020 |
BlithildesBilichilde (?) married Ansbert (?), son of Senator Ferreolus (?) of Rodez and DodeDeuteria (?).3,4
; Per Wikipédia (Fr.):
"Ansbert serait l'époux de la princesse Blitilde prétendue fille du roi Clotaire Ier ou Clotaire II. Ils seraient les parents d'un fils nommé Arnold, selon plusieurs documents médiévaux dont le premier d'entre eux est la Commemoratio genealogiae domni Karoli gloriossimi imperatoris établie par les scribes de l'évêché de Metz vers 810B 1. Les premières versions de cette généalogie donnent Clotaire Ier comme père de Blitilde et c'est vers 870 que l'on voit apparaître Clotaire II comme père.
"Personnage probablement réel (Ansbert n'est pas nommé dans les documents contemporains, mais n'apporte rien aux généalogies - c'est sa femme qui transmettrait le sang mérovingien - et comme la racine Ans se retrouve dans Anségisel, on considère son existence comme possible) mais mal relié généalogiquement par les scribes de l'évêché de Metz à la fin du ixe siècle. En effet, ces scribes ont probablement repris des documents authentiques pour établir la généalogie, mais en ont fait des lectures erronées. Même le nom de Blitilde n'est pas forcément faux, c'est sa qualité de maillon entre les Mérovingiens et les Carolingiens qui est suspecte et est rejetéeB 2.
"Grégoire de Tours donne une liste assez complète des enfants de Clotaire Ier où Blitilde ne figure pas. Quant à la thèse qui propose Blitilde comme une fille de Clotaire II, c'est une aberration chronologique : Arnould est un contemporain et probablement du même âge que Clotaire II : il s'ensuit que ce dernier ne peut pas être le père d'une grand-mère de ce même ArnouldB 2
Références :
1. Anspertus, qui était de race sénatoriale, homme célèbre et noble, prit pour femme la fille de Hlotharius, roi des Francs, appelée Blîthilt et eut trois fils et une fille. L'aîné s'appelait Arnoldus, le second Feriolus, le troisième Modéric et la fille Tarcisia. Feriolus fut évêque dans la ville d'Uzès. Moderic fut ordonné évêque d'Aristum. Arnoldus, l'aîné, engendra le seigneur (évêque) Arnulf. Le seigneur Arnulf engendra Flodulfus et Anchisus. Flodulfus est ordonné évêque. Ansichus engendra Pipinus. Pipinus engendra Karolus. Karolus quant à lui engendra le seigneur roi Pipinus. Pipinus engendra le glorieux César et très noble prince Carolus
2. Christian Settipani, Les Ancêtres de Charlemagne : 2° édition, revue et corrigée, Oxford, P & G, Prosopographia et Genealogica, coll. « Occasional Publications / 16 », 2014 (1re éd. 1989), 347 p. (ISBN 978-1-900934-15-2.)1,5"
Reference: Genealogics cites: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America bef. 1700, Baltimore, 1995, Weis, Frederick Lewis; Sheppard, Walter. 156.4
; Per Wikipédia (Fr.):
"Bilichilde serait fille du roi Clotaire Ier, épouse d'Ansbert et mère d'Arnoul, évêque de Metz.
"Bilichilde est une personne qui apparait dans deux généalogies carolingiennes, la Genealogia domni Karoli, du début du ixe siècle et la Genealogia domni Arnulfi, du ixe siècle. Elle est donnée comme fille du roi Clotaire Ier (ou Clotaire II selon les documents), épouse d'Ansbert et mère d'Arnoul, évêque de Metz au début du viie siècle. L'existence d'Arnoul est confirmée par des documents contemporains, au contraire de ses parents. Les deux généalogies sont trop tardives pour avoir une quelconque autorité. La filiation royale de Bilichilde est impossible d'un point de vue chronologiqueC 1,C 2.
Références :
1. Christian Settipani, Les Ancêtres de Charlemagne, Paris, 1989, 170 p. (ISBN 2-906483-28-1), p. 84.
2. Christian Settipani, Les Ancêtres de Charlemagne : 2° édition, revue et corrigée, Oxford, P & G, Prosopographia et Genealogica, coll. « Occasional Publications / 16 », 2014 (1re éd. 1989), 347 p. (ISBN 978-1-900934-15-2), p. 175."6 GAV-37.
; Per Med Lands:
"BILICHILDIS . The Liber Historiæ Francorum records that "Chlotharius…rex" had seven children by "Ingunde", the same six as are named in Gregory of Tours with a marginal note adding "Blitchildim" as the seventh child and specifying that she married "Ansbert[us nobilissimus" and by him was mother of "Arnoldum"[218]. An alternative origin for Bilichildis is provided by the Chronico Marcianensi de Sancta Rictrude which names “Dagobertum Regem et Blithildem sororem eius” as children of “Lotharius…[et] Beretrudam” (chronologically impossible if she was the grandmother of Arnoul Bishop of Metz), but commenting that “others say” that Bilichildis was the daughter of “primi Lotharii avi istius”, adding that Bilichildis married “Ansberto Duci nobili in Germania”[219]. The Carmen de Exordio Gentis Francorum names "Hlotharius [rex]…filia…Blithild" and records her marriage to "Ansbertus"[220]. The recorded names of the alleged children of Bilichildis do not have a Merovingian ring about them. It is uncertain whether Bilichildis existed at all or whether she and her family were invented for the purposes of compiling a Merovingian descent for the Carolingian dynasty, an enterprise undertaken in Metz from the late 8th century onwards. Her absence from the list of the children of King Clotaire given by Gregory of Tours certainly suggests that she was a spurious later invention, although Gregory's treatment of the families of the early Merovingians was not exhaustive, as can be seen from the examples of Berthoara, daughter of King Theodebald I, and [Theodechildis] sister of the same king (see above), whom Gregory does not mention at all. Settipani demonstrates convincingly that there are sufficient indications in other primary sources that parts, if not all, these reconstructions may be based on historical fact[221]. Sifting the fact from the fiction is inevitably speculative.
"m ANSBERT, son of ---. A 9th century genealogy names "Ansbertus…ex genere senatorum", his brothers "Deotarium, Firminum, Gamardum, Aigulfum episcopum et Ragnifridum" and their supposed descendants, Ansbert's marriage to "filiam Hlotarii regis Francorum…Blithildem" and their children as shown below[222].]"
Med Lands cites:
; Per Wikipédia (Fr.):
"Ansbert serait l'époux de la princesse Blitilde prétendue fille du roi Clotaire Ier ou Clotaire II. Ils seraient les parents d'un fils nommé Arnold, selon plusieurs documents médiévaux dont le premier d'entre eux est la Commemoratio genealogiae domni Karoli gloriossimi imperatoris établie par les scribes de l'évêché de Metz vers 810B 1. Les premières versions de cette généalogie donnent Clotaire Ier comme père de Blitilde et c'est vers 870 que l'on voit apparaître Clotaire II comme père.
"Personnage probablement réel (Ansbert n'est pas nommé dans les documents contemporains, mais n'apporte rien aux généalogies - c'est sa femme qui transmettrait le sang mérovingien - et comme la racine Ans se retrouve dans Anségisel, on considère son existence comme possible) mais mal relié généalogiquement par les scribes de l'évêché de Metz à la fin du ixe siècle. En effet, ces scribes ont probablement repris des documents authentiques pour établir la généalogie, mais en ont fait des lectures erronées. Même le nom de Blitilde n'est pas forcément faux, c'est sa qualité de maillon entre les Mérovingiens et les Carolingiens qui est suspecte et est rejetéeB 2.
"Grégoire de Tours donne une liste assez complète des enfants de Clotaire Ier où Blitilde ne figure pas. Quant à la thèse qui propose Blitilde comme une fille de Clotaire II, c'est une aberration chronologique : Arnould est un contemporain et probablement du même âge que Clotaire II : il s'ensuit que ce dernier ne peut pas être le père d'une grand-mère de ce même ArnouldB 2
Références :
1. Anspertus, qui était de race sénatoriale, homme célèbre et noble, prit pour femme la fille de Hlotharius, roi des Francs, appelée Blîthilt et eut trois fils et une fille. L'aîné s'appelait Arnoldus, le second Feriolus, le troisième Modéric et la fille Tarcisia. Feriolus fut évêque dans la ville d'Uzès. Moderic fut ordonné évêque d'Aristum. Arnoldus, l'aîné, engendra le seigneur (évêque) Arnulf. Le seigneur Arnulf engendra Flodulfus et Anchisus. Flodulfus est ordonné évêque. Ansichus engendra Pipinus. Pipinus engendra Karolus. Karolus quant à lui engendra le seigneur roi Pipinus. Pipinus engendra le glorieux César et très noble prince Carolus
2. Christian Settipani, Les Ancêtres de Charlemagne : 2° édition, revue et corrigée, Oxford, P & G, Prosopographia et Genealogica, coll. « Occasional Publications / 16 », 2014 (1re éd. 1989), 347 p. (ISBN 978-1-900934-15-2.)1,5"
Reference: Genealogics cites: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America bef. 1700, Baltimore, 1995, Weis, Frederick Lewis; Sheppard, Walter. 156.4
; Per Wikipédia (Fr.):
"Bilichilde serait fille du roi Clotaire Ier, épouse d'Ansbert et mère d'Arnoul, évêque de Metz.
"Bilichilde est une personne qui apparait dans deux généalogies carolingiennes, la Genealogia domni Karoli, du début du ixe siècle et la Genealogia domni Arnulfi, du ixe siècle. Elle est donnée comme fille du roi Clotaire Ier (ou Clotaire II selon les documents), épouse d'Ansbert et mère d'Arnoul, évêque de Metz au début du viie siècle. L'existence d'Arnoul est confirmée par des documents contemporains, au contraire de ses parents. Les deux généalogies sont trop tardives pour avoir une quelconque autorité. La filiation royale de Bilichilde est impossible d'un point de vue chronologiqueC 1,C 2.
Références :
1. Christian Settipani, Les Ancêtres de Charlemagne, Paris, 1989, 170 p. (ISBN 2-906483-28-1), p. 84.
2. Christian Settipani, Les Ancêtres de Charlemagne : 2° édition, revue et corrigée, Oxford, P & G, Prosopographia et Genealogica, coll. « Occasional Publications / 16 », 2014 (1re éd. 1989), 347 p. (ISBN 978-1-900934-15-2), p. 175."6 GAV-37.
; Per Med Lands:
"BILICHILDIS . The Liber Historiæ Francorum records that "Chlotharius…rex" had seven children by "Ingunde", the same six as are named in Gregory of Tours with a marginal note adding "Blitchildim" as the seventh child and specifying that she married "Ansbert[us nobilissimus" and by him was mother of "Arnoldum"[218]. An alternative origin for Bilichildis is provided by the Chronico Marcianensi de Sancta Rictrude which names “Dagobertum Regem et Blithildem sororem eius” as children of “Lotharius…[et] Beretrudam” (chronologically impossible if she was the grandmother of Arnoul Bishop of Metz), but commenting that “others say” that Bilichildis was the daughter of “primi Lotharii avi istius”, adding that Bilichildis married “Ansberto Duci nobili in Germania”[219]. The Carmen de Exordio Gentis Francorum names "Hlotharius [rex]…filia…Blithild" and records her marriage to "Ansbertus"[220]. The recorded names of the alleged children of Bilichildis do not have a Merovingian ring about them. It is uncertain whether Bilichildis existed at all or whether she and her family were invented for the purposes of compiling a Merovingian descent for the Carolingian dynasty, an enterprise undertaken in Metz from the late 8th century onwards. Her absence from the list of the children of King Clotaire given by Gregory of Tours certainly suggests that she was a spurious later invention, although Gregory's treatment of the families of the early Merovingians was not exhaustive, as can be seen from the examples of Berthoara, daughter of King Theodebald I, and [Theodechildis] sister of the same king (see above), whom Gregory does not mention at all. Settipani demonstrates convincingly that there are sufficient indications in other primary sources that parts, if not all, these reconstructions may be based on historical fact[221]. Sifting the fact from the fiction is inevitably speculative.
"m ANSBERT, son of ---. A 9th century genealogy names "Ansbertus…ex genere senatorum", his brothers "Deotarium, Firminum, Gamardum, Aigulfum episcopum et Ragnifridum" and their supposed descendants, Ansbert's marriage to "filiam Hlotarii regis Francorum…Blithildem" and their children as shown below[222].]"
Med Lands cites:
[218] Liber Historiæ Francorum 27, MGH SS rer Merov II, p. 285.
[219] Ex Chronico Marcianensi de Sancta Rictrude, RHGF 3, p. 522.
[220] Carmen de Exordio Gentis Francorum, MGH Poetæ Latini ævi Carolini II, pp. 142-3.
[221] Settipani, C. 'L'apport de l'onomastique dans l'étude des genealogies carolingiennes', Keats-Rohan, K. S. B. and Settipani, C. (eds.) (2000) Onomastique et Parenté dans l'Occident medieval (Prosopographica et Genealogica, Vol. 3), pp. 185-229.
[222] Genealogiæ Karolorum I, MGH SS XIII, p. 245.2
[219] Ex Chronico Marcianensi de Sancta Rictrude, RHGF 3, p. 522.
[220] Carmen de Exordio Gentis Francorum, MGH Poetæ Latini ævi Carolini II, pp. 142-3.
[221] Settipani, C. 'L'apport de l'onomastique dans l'étude des genealogies carolingiennes', Keats-Rohan, K. S. B. and Settipani, C. (eds.) (2000) Onomastique et Parenté dans l'Occident medieval (Prosopographica et Genealogica, Vol. 3), pp. 185-229.
[222] Genealogiæ Karolorum I, MGH SS XIII, p. 245.2
Family | Ansbert (?) d. 570 |
Child |
Citations
- [S4742] Wikipédia - L'encyclopédie libre, online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faux_M%C3%A9rovingiens#Ansbert_le_s%C3%A9nateur. Hereinafter cited as Wikipédia (FR).
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/MEROVINGIANS.htm#BilichildisMAnsbert. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ansbertus: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00294137&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Blithilde: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00294138&tree=LEO
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANKSMaiordomi.htm#AnsbertMBilichildis
- [S4742] Wikipédia (FR), online https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal, https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faux_M%C3%A9rovingiens#Bilichilde
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Ansbertus: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00294137&tree=LEO
- [S737] Compiler Don Charles Stone, Some Ancient and Medieval Descents (n.p.: Ancient and Medieval Descents Project
2401 Pennsylvania Ave., #9B-2B
Philadelphia, PA 19130-3034
Tel: 215-232-6259
e-mail address
or e-mail address
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DodeDeuteria (?)
F, #4954, b. before 509
Father | Chloderic "the Parricide" (?) King of Cologne1 d. c 509 |
Reference | GAV39 EDV40 |
Last Edited | 31 May 2020 |
DodeDeuteria (?) was born before 509.1 She married Senator Ferreolus (?) of Rodez, son of Senator Tonantius (II) Ferreolus and Industria (?), circa 520.2
DodeDeuteria (?) was buried at Saint Remi Badsilica, Reims, Departement de la Marne, Champagne-Ardenne, France (now); From Find A Grave:
BIRTH unknown, Reims, Departement de la Marne, Champagne-Ardenne, France
DEATH unknown
Saint Dode, was an Abbess of Saint Pierre de Reims and a French Saint whose Feast Day is April 24. She was the daughter of Chloderic, King of the Franks, and the sister of Munderic. She married ca 531 Ferreolus, a Senator in Narbonne, who lived at Rodez and was also a Senator there.
BURIAL Saint Remi Basilica, Reims, Departement de la Marne, Champagne-Ardenne, France
Created by: Mad
Added: 26 Aug 2010
Find A Grave Memorial 57757864.2
GAV-39 EDV-40 GKJ-40. She was Second Abbess of Saint Pierre de Reims at Reims, Departement de la Marne, Champagne-Ardenne, France (now).1
; Per Wikipedia:
"Saint Dode (born before 509) was an Abbess of Saint Pierre de Reims and a French Saint whose Feast Day is 24 April. She is reputed to be the daughter of Chloderic, King of the Ripuarian Franks and the sister of Munderic, making her a princess of the Ripuarian Franks.
History
"Doda lived in Reims in the 6th century, she was the second abbess of Saint-Pierre-les-Dames in Reims. There is some confusion regarding her parentage.
"Flodoard, in his Historia ecclesiæ Remensis says she was a niece of Balderic, Abbot of Montfaucon and Beuve, founders of the Abbey of Saint-Pierre-les-Dames de Reims and children of a king Sigebert. Flodoard identifies this king as Sigebert I (c. 535 – c. 575), king of Austrasia, when perhaps it is, in fact, Sigobert the Lame (died c. 509), king of Cologne. Although Doda is reputed to be the daughter of Sigobert's son Chlodoric, chronologically, it seems difficult to make of Doda a daughter of Chlodéric. She would more likely be Sigobert the Lame's granddaughter, the daughter of a younger sister of Chloderic, born some time shortly before their father's death.[1]
"Doda is raised by her aunt, Beuve. Later, she was promised in marriage to a lord of the court of Sigebert I, but Doda refused the marriage. The lord tried to abduct her, but died as a result of a fall from his horse during the attempt. Dode then took refuge in her aunt's abbey. She succeeded Beuve as abbess. At the end of her life, she obtained from Pepin of Landen, an act designed to protect her community.
"She is venerated in the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches.
Flodoard's account
"There once existed several basilicas and several monasteries within and around the town of Reims, which now are no more; but there are still two convents in the town, one of which is called the monastery above, because of its location and is said to have been erected in honor of the Blessed Virgin and St. Peter by Saint Baudri and his sister Beuve, who was the abbess. It is said that they were both of royal blood, the children of King Sigebert, and had a niece Dode, a very chaste young girl, who had been promised in marriage to a grandee of the house of King Sigebert. But Bove, her aunt, taught her to serve God and keep her virginity. The courtier, seeing the young girl's resistance, endeavored to rob her and to have her as his wife; but it happened that while he sought by all means to carry out his designs, the horse which he mounted, fell and he broke his neck. Blessed Dode, succeeded her aunt in the government of the monastery; it was she who obtained from King Pepin for this abbey a charter of immunities which we still have. The bodies of these two holy abbesses rested for a long time in the church outside the city where the monastery had first been, until, after having been exhumed with several revelations and miracles, they were transferred to this new church which we see today, where they were deposed with veneration, and are continually honored by the reverence and homage of the virgins servants of the Lord. - Flodoard, Historia ecclesiæ Remensis, Livre quatrième, chapitre XXXVIII.
References
1. "At that time, it is rare for a king to live long enough to see a granddaughter reach the age of marriage. This second King Sigebert is probably Sigebert I, king of Austrasia from 561 to 575. This places the date of birth of Doda at the earliest in 545, knowing that her mother, if she is the daughter of Sigebert the Lame is born at the latest in 507. It remains chronologically possible."
Sources and citations
** Christian Settipani, Les Ancêtres de Charlemagne (France: Éditions Christian, 1989).
** Christian Settipani, Continuite Gentilice et Continuite Familiale Dans Les Familles Senatoriales Romaines A L'epoque Imperiale, Mythe et Realite, Addenda I - III (juillet 2000- octobre 2002) (n.p.: Prosopographica et Genealogica, 2002)."1 DodeDeuteria (?) was also known as Saint Doda (?) of Reims.1
.3,4 DodeDeuteria (?) was also known as Saint Dode (?) of Reims.2
DodeDeuteria (?) was buried at Saint Remi Badsilica, Reims, Departement de la Marne, Champagne-Ardenne, France (now); From Find A Grave:
BIRTH unknown, Reims, Departement de la Marne, Champagne-Ardenne, France
DEATH unknown
Saint Dode, was an Abbess of Saint Pierre de Reims and a French Saint whose Feast Day is April 24. She was the daughter of Chloderic, King of the Franks, and the sister of Munderic. She married ca 531 Ferreolus, a Senator in Narbonne, who lived at Rodez and was also a Senator there.
BURIAL Saint Remi Basilica, Reims, Departement de la Marne, Champagne-Ardenne, France
Created by: Mad
Added: 26 Aug 2010
Find A Grave Memorial 57757864.2
GAV-39 EDV-40 GKJ-40. She was Second Abbess of Saint Pierre de Reims at Reims, Departement de la Marne, Champagne-Ardenne, France (now).1
; Per Wikipedia:
"Saint Dode (born before 509) was an Abbess of Saint Pierre de Reims and a French Saint whose Feast Day is 24 April. She is reputed to be the daughter of Chloderic, King of the Ripuarian Franks and the sister of Munderic, making her a princess of the Ripuarian Franks.
History
"Doda lived in Reims in the 6th century, she was the second abbess of Saint-Pierre-les-Dames in Reims. There is some confusion regarding her parentage.
"Flodoard, in his Historia ecclesiæ Remensis says she was a niece of Balderic, Abbot of Montfaucon and Beuve, founders of the Abbey of Saint-Pierre-les-Dames de Reims and children of a king Sigebert. Flodoard identifies this king as Sigebert I (c. 535 – c. 575), king of Austrasia, when perhaps it is, in fact, Sigobert the Lame (died c. 509), king of Cologne. Although Doda is reputed to be the daughter of Sigobert's son Chlodoric, chronologically, it seems difficult to make of Doda a daughter of Chlodéric. She would more likely be Sigobert the Lame's granddaughter, the daughter of a younger sister of Chloderic, born some time shortly before their father's death.[1]
"Doda is raised by her aunt, Beuve. Later, she was promised in marriage to a lord of the court of Sigebert I, but Doda refused the marriage. The lord tried to abduct her, but died as a result of a fall from his horse during the attempt. Dode then took refuge in her aunt's abbey. She succeeded Beuve as abbess. At the end of her life, she obtained from Pepin of Landen, an act designed to protect her community.
"She is venerated in the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches.
Flodoard's account
"There once existed several basilicas and several monasteries within and around the town of Reims, which now are no more; but there are still two convents in the town, one of which is called the monastery above, because of its location and is said to have been erected in honor of the Blessed Virgin and St. Peter by Saint Baudri and his sister Beuve, who was the abbess. It is said that they were both of royal blood, the children of King Sigebert, and had a niece Dode, a very chaste young girl, who had been promised in marriage to a grandee of the house of King Sigebert. But Bove, her aunt, taught her to serve God and keep her virginity. The courtier, seeing the young girl's resistance, endeavored to rob her and to have her as his wife; but it happened that while he sought by all means to carry out his designs, the horse which he mounted, fell and he broke his neck. Blessed Dode, succeeded her aunt in the government of the monastery; it was she who obtained from King Pepin for this abbey a charter of immunities which we still have. The bodies of these two holy abbesses rested for a long time in the church outside the city where the monastery had first been, until, after having been exhumed with several revelations and miracles, they were transferred to this new church which we see today, where they were deposed with veneration, and are continually honored by the reverence and homage of the virgins servants of the Lord. - Flodoard, Historia ecclesiæ Remensis, Livre quatrième, chapitre XXXVIII.
References
1. "At that time, it is rare for a king to live long enough to see a granddaughter reach the age of marriage. This second King Sigebert is probably Sigebert I, king of Austrasia from 561 to 575. This places the date of birth of Doda at the earliest in 545, knowing that her mother, if she is the daughter of Sigebert the Lame is born at the latest in 507. It remains chronologically possible."
Sources and citations
** Christian Settipani, Les Ancêtres de Charlemagne (France: Éditions Christian, 1989).
** Christian Settipani, Continuite Gentilice et Continuite Familiale Dans Les Familles Senatoriales Romaines A L'epoque Imperiale, Mythe et Realite, Addenda I - III (juillet 2000- octobre 2002) (n.p.: Prosopographica et Genealogica, 2002)."1 DodeDeuteria (?) was also known as Saint Doda (?) of Reims.1
.3,4 DodeDeuteria (?) was also known as Saint Dode (?) of Reims.2
Family | Senator Ferreolus (?) of Rodez b. c 485 |
Child |
|
Citations
- [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doda_of_Reims. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
- [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 08 October 2019), memorial page for Saint Dode (unknown–unknown), Find A Grave Memorial no. 57757864, citing Saint Remi Basilica, Reims, Departement de la Marne, Champagne-Ardenne, France ; Maintained by Mad (contributor 47329061), at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/57757864/saint-dode. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.
- [S616] Inc. Brøderbund Software, GEDCOM file imported on 26 Dec 1999 from World Family Tree Vol. 18, Ed. 1, Family #18-0770., CD-ROM (n.p.: Brøderbund Software, Inc., 1998). Hereinafter cited as WFT 18-0770.
- [S737] Compiler Don Charles Stone, Some Ancient and Medieval Descents (n.p.: Ancient and Medieval Descents Project
2401 Pennsylvania Ave., #9B-2B
Philadelphia, PA 19130-3034
Tel: 215-232-6259
e-mail address
or e-mail address
copyright 1995, 1998, 1999, 2000, unknown publish date), Chart 50-5: "...abbess of St. Pierre de Rheims."
Marcomir (?) of the Franks
M, #4955, d. 404
Father | Clodius I (?) of the Franks d. 389 |
Last Edited | 6 Dec 2002 |
Family | |
Child |
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Citations
- [S616] Inc. Brøderbund Software, GEDCOM file imported on 26 Dec 1999 from World Family Tree Vol. 18, Ed. 1, Family #18-0770., CD-ROM (n.p.: Brøderbund Software, Inc., 1998). Hereinafter cited as WFT 18-0770.
Clodius I (?) of the Franks
M, #4956, d. 389
Father | Dagobert (?) of the Franks b. WFT Est. 276-329, d. 379 |
Last Edited | 6 Dec 2002 |
Family | |
Child |
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Citations
- [S616] Inc. Brøderbund Software, GEDCOM file imported on 26 Dec 1999 from World Family Tree Vol. 18, Ed. 1, Family #18-0770., CD-ROM (n.p.: Brøderbund Software, Inc., 1998). Hereinafter cited as WFT 18-0770.
Dagobert (?) of the Franks
M, #4957, b. WFT Est. 276-329, d. 379
Father | Genebald I (?) of the Franks b. WFT Est. 242-300, d. 350 |
Last Edited | 6 Dec 2002 |
Dagobert (?) of the Franks was born WFT Est. 276-329.1
Dagobert (?) of the Franks died in 379 at France.1
Dagobert (?) of the Franks died in 379 at France.2
.2
Dagobert (?) of the Franks died in 379 at France.1
Dagobert (?) of the Franks died in 379 at France.2
.2
Family | |
Child |
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Citations
- [S741] Unknown compiler, World Family Tree Vol. 18, Ed. 1., CD-ROM (n.p.: Brøderbund Software, Inc., Release date: March 27, 1998). Hereinafter cited as World Family Tree Vol. 18, Ed. 1.
- [S616] Inc. Brøderbund Software, GEDCOM file imported on 26 Dec 1999 from World Family Tree Vol. 18, Ed. 1, Family #18-0770., CD-ROM (n.p.: Brøderbund Software, Inc., 1998). Hereinafter cited as WFT 18-0770.
Ansa (?)1
F, #4958
Last Edited | 17 Sep 2020 |
Ansa (?) married Desiderius (?) Duke of Spoleto, King of the Lombards, son of Adalgis/Ado (?) Statthalter in Friaul.1,2
; Per Med Lands:
"DESIDERIUS, son of --- (-Corbie after 774). A Lombard dux, King Aistulf sent him to command Lombard troops in Tuscia, where he learnt of the king's death in Dec 756 and assembled troops to seize the throne[575]. He succeeded in 758 as DESIDERIUS Duke of Spoleto, until 759. With the support of Fulrad and Frankish troops, as well as the promise of Roman soldiers from Pope Stephen II (III), he prevailed over his rival Ratchis and installed himself as DESIDERIUS King of the Lombards[576]. A later manuscript of the Origo Gentis Langobardorum names "Desiderius" when recording that he succeeded "Aistulfus" and ruled for 17 years and three months before being taken captive to France[577]. The Chronicon Vulturnense records that "Desiderius…Romanæ dignitatis Imperator Augustus et gentis Langobardorum Rex" donated property to Volturno monastery by undated charter[578]. His relations with Rome deteriorated under Pope Stephen III (IV) who refused to consecrate Desiderius's candidate as Bishop of Ravenna and to whom the king refused to cede territories which he had promised to return to the papacy. Despite attempts by the new pope Hadrian I to negotiate, the king continued to seize papal cities and in 772 marched on Rome. After unsuccessfully pressuring King Desiderius to return the captured cities, Charles I King of the Franks, allied with the papacy, besieged Pavia and then Verona in 773/74. King Desiderius surrendered in Jun 774[579] and was sent into exile with his wife and daughter to the monastery of Corbie[580].
"m ANSA, daughter of --- (-bur Brescia[581]). "Anza" is named as wife of "Desiderius rex"[582]. She was captured with her husband at Pavia in 774 and lived in exile in the monastery of Corbie578. Paulus Diaconus wrote a poem in memory of "Ausonii coniux…regis Ansa"[583].
"King Desiderius & his wife had [five] children:
Med Lands cites:
; Per Med Lands:
"DESIDERIUS, son of --- (-Corbie after 774). A Lombard dux, King Aistulf sent him to command Lombard troops in Tuscia, where he learnt of the king's death in Dec 756 and assembled troops to seize the throne[575]. He succeeded in 758 as DESIDERIUS Duke of Spoleto, until 759. With the support of Fulrad and Frankish troops, as well as the promise of Roman soldiers from Pope Stephen II (III), he prevailed over his rival Ratchis and installed himself as DESIDERIUS King of the Lombards[576]. A later manuscript of the Origo Gentis Langobardorum names "Desiderius" when recording that he succeeded "Aistulfus" and ruled for 17 years and three months before being taken captive to France[577]. The Chronicon Vulturnense records that "Desiderius…Romanæ dignitatis Imperator Augustus et gentis Langobardorum Rex" donated property to Volturno monastery by undated charter[578]. His relations with Rome deteriorated under Pope Stephen III (IV) who refused to consecrate Desiderius's candidate as Bishop of Ravenna and to whom the king refused to cede territories which he had promised to return to the papacy. Despite attempts by the new pope Hadrian I to negotiate, the king continued to seize papal cities and in 772 marched on Rome. After unsuccessfully pressuring King Desiderius to return the captured cities, Charles I King of the Franks, allied with the papacy, besieged Pavia and then Verona in 773/74. King Desiderius surrendered in Jun 774[579] and was sent into exile with his wife and daughter to the monastery of Corbie[580].
"m ANSA, daughter of --- (-bur Brescia[581]). "Anza" is named as wife of "Desiderius rex"[582]. She was captured with her husband at Pavia in 774 and lived in exile in the monastery of Corbie578. Paulus Diaconus wrote a poem in memory of "Ausonii coniux…regis Ansa"[583].
"King Desiderius & his wife had [five] children:
1. ADELGIS [Adelchis] (-after 788).
2. ADALPERGA (-after Feb 788). m ([758]) ARICHIS II Duke of Benevento, son of --- ([736]-Salerno 26 Aug 787, bur Salerno Cathedral).
3. LIUTBERGA [Liutpirc] (-after 788). m TASSILO Duke of Bavaria, son of ODILO King of Bavaria & his wife Chiltrudis [Carolingian] (-after 794).
4. daughter. m (769, repudiated [770/early 771]) as his first wife, CHARLES I King of the Franks
5. [GERBERGA (-after Dec 771). m ([769]) CARLOMAN Joint King of the Franks,"
a) [GRIMOALD (-after [788/95]). m firstly ([788/95][593]) EUANTHIA, daughter of PHILARETOS & his wife ---. m secondly ---.
2. ADALPERGA (-after Feb 788). m ([758]) ARICHIS II Duke of Benevento, son of --- ([736]-Salerno 26 Aug 787, bur Salerno Cathedral).
3. LIUTBERGA [Liutpirc] (-after 788). m TASSILO Duke of Bavaria, son of ODILO King of Bavaria & his wife Chiltrudis [Carolingian] (-after 794).
4. daughter. m (769, repudiated [770/early 771]) as his first wife, CHARLES I King of the Franks
5. [GERBERGA (-after Dec 771). m ([769]) CARLOMAN Joint King of the Franks,"
Med Lands cites:
[575] Liber Pontificalis 94.48.
[576] Liber Pontificalis 94.50.
[577] Origo Gentis Langobardorum 7, MGH SS rer Lang I, p. 6.
[578] Chronicon Vulturnense, RIS I.2, p. 352.
[579] Christie (1998), p. 106.
[580] Annales Laurissenses Maiores, MGH SS VI, 774, and Annales Sangallenses Maiores, MGH, SS 1, pp. 73-85.
[581] Settipani (1993), p. 199 footnote 45.
[582] Chronicon Novaliciense III.1, MGH SS VII, p. 98.
[583] Pauli Diaconi Carmina, VIII Super Sepulchrum Domnæ Ansæ Reginæ, MGH Poetæ Latini ævi Carolini I, p. 45.3
[576] Liber Pontificalis 94.50.
[577] Origo Gentis Langobardorum 7, MGH SS rer Lang I, p. 6.
[578] Chronicon Vulturnense, RIS I.2, p. 352.
[579] Christie (1998), p. 106.
[580] Annales Laurissenses Maiores, MGH SS VI, 774, and Annales Sangallenses Maiores, MGH, SS 1, pp. 73-85.
[581] Settipani (1993), p. 199 footnote 45.
[582] Chronicon Novaliciense III.1, MGH SS VII, p. 98.
[583] Pauli Diaconi Carmina, VIII Super Sepulchrum Domnæ Ansæ Reginæ, MGH Poetæ Latini ævi Carolini I, p. 45.3
Family | Desiderius (?) Duke of Spoleto, King of the Lombards b. b 710, d. a 714 |
Children |
Citations
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ITALY,%20Kings%20to%20962.htm#dauDesideriusMCharlemagne. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S4743] Geneagraphie - Families all over the world (Website), online <http://geneagraphie.com/>, King Desiderius: https://geneagraphie.com/getperson.php?personID=I9438&tree=1. Hereinafter cited as Geneagraphie.
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ITALY,%20Kings%20to%20962.htm#Desideriusdiedafter774.
- [S4743] Geneagraphie, online http://geneagraphie.com/, Desiree Desiderata Langobarde: https://geneagraphie.com/getperson.php?personID=I9437&tree=1
Alice de Bohun1,2
F, #4959, b. between 1230 and 1240
Father | Humphrey V de Bohun 2nd Earl of Hereford, Earl of Essex1,3,2 b. b 1208, d. 24 Sep 1275 |
Mother | Mahaut/Maud d'Eu de Lusignan1,4 b. c 1210, d. 14 Aug 1241 |
Reference | GAV20 EDV20 |
Last Edited | 17 Dec 2020 |
Alice de Bohun married Roger V de Toeni Lord of Flamstead, son of Ralph VI de Toeni Lord of Flamstead, co. Hertford and Petronilla de Lacy.5,1,2
Alice de Bohun was born between 1230 and 1240 at Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England.6,2
Alice de Bohun died in 1264.7
GAV-20 EDV-20 GKJ-21.
.6,8
Alice de Bohun was born between 1230 and 1240 at Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England.6,2
Alice de Bohun died in 1264.7
GAV-20 EDV-20 GKJ-21.
.6,8
Family | Roger V de Toeni Lord of Flamstead b. 29 Sep 1235, d. b 12 May 1264 |
Children |
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Citations
- [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's Dromant, Abeyant, Forgeited, and Extinct Peerages, p. 57. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bohun.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Humphrey de Bohun: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00015449&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Maud de Lusignan: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00015450&tree=LEO
- [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 98-29, p. 94. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7. - [S616] Inc. Brøderbund Software, GEDCOM file imported on 26 Dec 1999 from World Family Tree Vol. 18, Ed. 1, Family #18-0770., CD-ROM (n.p.: Brøderbund Software, Inc., 1998). Hereinafter cited as WFT 18-0770.
- [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), pp. 34-35, de BOHUN 4:ii. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
- [S677] Jr. Christos Christou, GEDCOM file imported on 12 Feb 1999. Supplied by Christos Christou, Jr. - e-mail address (n.p.: Christos Christou, Jr.
303 Nicholson Road
Baltimore, MD 21221-6609
Email: e-mail address, 1999). - [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Raoul VII de Toeni: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026583&tree=LEO
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISHNOBILITYMEDIEVAL3T-Z.htm#RobertTosnydied1309. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), Powick 7: pp. 589-90. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.
Humphrey V de Bohun 2nd Earl of Hereford, Earl of Essex1,2,3
M, #4960, b. before 1208, d. 24 September 1275
Father | Henry de Bohun 1st Earl of Hereford, Sheriff of Kent, Constable of England1,2,3 b. c 1176, d. 1 Jun 1220 |
Mother | Maud Fitz Geoffrey de Mandeville Countess of Essex1,2,3 b. c 1178, d. 27 Aug 1236 |
Reference | GAV21 EDV21 |
Last Edited | 20 Jul 2020 |
Humphrey V de Bohun 2nd Earl of Hereford, Earl of Essex was born before 1208 at Herefordshire, England.4,5,6,2,3 He married Mahaut/Maud d'Eu de Lusignan, daughter of Raoul I de Lusignan Comte d'Eu, Seigneur d'Issoudun, de Melle, de Chize, de Civray, de La Mothe and Alix/Alice d'Eu Countess of Eu, Lady of Hastings, at England
; his 1st wife.7,1,6,2,8,3 Humphrey V de Bohun 2nd Earl of Hereford, Earl of Essex married Maud d'Avenbury
; his 2nd wife.5,2,9,3
Humphrey V de Bohun 2nd Earl of Hereford, Earl of Essex died on 24 September 1275; Racines et Histoire says d. 27/8/1275.4,5,1,6,2,3
Humphrey V de Bohun 2nd Earl of Hereford, Earl of Essex was buried after 24 September 1275 at Llanthony Priory, Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England.5,6,2
; "Humphrey de Bohun, as Earl of Hereford, and possessing the honour of Essex through his mother, was created Earl of that county by King Henry III., at whose marriage his lordship performed the office of marshal in the king's house, and in three years afterwards, anno 1239, was one of the godfathers at the font, for Edward, eldest son of the king, there being no less than nine sponsors on the occasion, viz., five temporal and four spiritual lords. He was Lord High Constable of England. In 1250 he took up the cross and proceeded to the Holy Land. In the three years afterwards, his lordship was present, with other peers, when that formal curse was denounced in Westminster Hall, with bell, book, and candle, against the violators of Magna Charta; in which year he founded the church of the Fryers Augustines, in Broad-street, within the city of London. In the great contest between the king and his barons, this nobleman fought for the latter at Evesham, where he was taken prisoner, but he did not long continue in bondage, for we find him soon after again in favour, and receiving new grants from the crown. His lordship d. 1275, having m. 1st, Maud, dau. of Ralph, Count d'Eu, by Yolande his wife, dau. of Robert, Count de Dreux, Earl of Ewe, and had issue,
Hunphrey...
Maud, m. to Anselm Mareshcal, Earl of Pembroke
Alice, m. to Roger Thony.
--, m. to -- Quincy.
Humphrey, Earl of Hereford and Essex, d. 1275, and was s. by his grandson, Humphrey de Bohun..." He was 6th Earl of Hereford, 7th Earl of Essex (Boyer, 2001, p. 34.)5 GAV-21 EDV-21 GKJ-22. He was Earl of Essex (by right of his mother.)1 He was 2nd Earl of Hereford of the 1199 cr.1
; van de pas cites: 1. A Genealogical History of the dormant, abeyant, forfeited and extinct peerages of the British Empire, London, 1866, Burke, Sir Bernard, Reference: page 57
2. The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: VI 459
3. Descendants of Leofric of Mercia 2002 , Ravilious, John & Rosie Bevan.2 He was Constable of England.7
; his 1st wife.7,1,6,2,8,3 Humphrey V de Bohun 2nd Earl of Hereford, Earl of Essex married Maud d'Avenbury
; his 2nd wife.5,2,9,3
Humphrey V de Bohun 2nd Earl of Hereford, Earl of Essex died on 24 September 1275; Racines et Histoire says d. 27/8/1275.4,5,1,6,2,3
Humphrey V de Bohun 2nd Earl of Hereford, Earl of Essex was buried after 24 September 1275 at Llanthony Priory, Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England.5,6,2
; "Humphrey de Bohun, as Earl of Hereford, and possessing the honour of Essex through his mother, was created Earl of that county by King Henry III., at whose marriage his lordship performed the office of marshal in the king's house, and in three years afterwards, anno 1239, was one of the godfathers at the font, for Edward, eldest son of the king, there being no less than nine sponsors on the occasion, viz., five temporal and four spiritual lords. He was Lord High Constable of England. In 1250 he took up the cross and proceeded to the Holy Land. In the three years afterwards, his lordship was present, with other peers, when that formal curse was denounced in Westminster Hall, with bell, book, and candle, against the violators of Magna Charta; in which year he founded the church of the Fryers Augustines, in Broad-street, within the city of London. In the great contest between the king and his barons, this nobleman fought for the latter at Evesham, where he was taken prisoner, but he did not long continue in bondage, for we find him soon after again in favour, and receiving new grants from the crown. His lordship d. 1275, having m. 1st, Maud, dau. of Ralph, Count d'Eu, by Yolande his wife, dau. of Robert, Count de Dreux, Earl of Ewe, and had issue,
Hunphrey...
Maud, m. to Anselm Mareshcal, Earl of Pembroke
Alice, m. to Roger Thony.
--, m. to -- Quincy.
Humphrey, Earl of Hereford and Essex, d. 1275, and was s. by his grandson, Humphrey de Bohun..." He was 6th Earl of Hereford, 7th Earl of Essex (Boyer, 2001, p. 34.)5 GAV-21 EDV-21 GKJ-22. He was Earl of Essex (by right of his mother.)1 He was 2nd Earl of Hereford of the 1199 cr.1
; van de pas cites: 1. A Genealogical History of the dormant, abeyant, forfeited and extinct peerages of the British Empire, London, 1866, Burke, Sir Bernard, Reference: page 57
2. The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: VI 459
3. Descendants of Leofric of Mercia 2002 , Ravilious, John & Rosie Bevan.2 He was Constable of England.7
Family 1 | Mahaut/Maud d'Eu de Lusignan b. c 1210, d. 14 Aug 1241 |
Children |
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Family 2 | Maud d'Avenbury d. 8 Oct 1273 |
Child |
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Citations
- [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's Dromant, Abeyant, Forgeited, and Extinct Peerages, p. 57. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Humphrey de Bohun: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00015449&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bohun.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
- [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 97-28, p. 93. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7. - [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), pp. 34-35, de BOHUN 4. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Lusignan 2 page (de Lusignan Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/crus/lusignan2.html
- [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215: The Barons Named in the Magna
Charta, 1215 and Some of Their Descendants Who Settled in America
During the Early Colonial Years, 5th Edition (Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., unknown publish date), line 18-2, p. 25. Hereinafter cited as Weis MCS-5. - [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Maud de Lusignan: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00015450&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Maud de Avenbury: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00015451&tree=LEO
- [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), Dinham: p. 274. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Eleanor de Bohun: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00177621&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Maud de Bohun: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027702&tree=LEO
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Famille de Bohun, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bohun.pdf
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL.htm#MaudBohunM1AnselmMarshallPembroke. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, John de Bohun: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00397882&tree=LEO
Mahaut/Maud d'Eu de Lusignan1,2,3,4,5,6
F, #4961, b. circa 1210, d. 14 August 1241
Father | Raoul I de Lusignan Comte d'Eu, Seigneur d'Issoudun, de Melle, de Chize, de Civray, de La Mothe3,7,4,5,6 b. bt 1164 - 1165, d. 1 May 1219 |
Mother | Alix/Alice d'Eu Countess of Eu, Lady of Hastings4,5 b. 1180, d. 15 May 1246 |
Reference | GAV21 EDV21 |
Last Edited | 20 Jul 2020 |
Mahaut/Maud d'Eu de Lusignan was born circa 1210 at England; Racines et Histoire says b. 1200/19.4,6 She married Humphrey V de Bohun 2nd Earl of Hereford, Earl of Essex, son of Henry de Bohun 1st Earl of Hereford, Sheriff of Kent, Constable of England and Maud Fitz Geoffrey de Mandeville Countess of Essex, at England
; his 1st wife.8,3,4,9,5,6
Mahaut/Maud d'Eu de Lusignan died on 14 August 1241 at Quendon, co. Essex, England.8,1,4,5,6
Mahaut/Maud d'Eu de Lusignan was buried after 14 August 1241 at Llanthony Priory, Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England.1,4,5
; van de pas cites: 1. A Genealogical History of the dormant, abeyant, forfeited and extinct peerages of the British Empire, London, 1866, Burke, Sir Bernard, Reference: page 57
2. Encyclopedie Genealogique des Maisons Souveraines du Monde, Paris, VIII 1963,IX 1964,XII 1966, Sirjean, Docteur Gaston, Reference: page 247.
3. The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: VI 462.5 GAV-21 EDV-21 GKJ-22.
; [2m.] Mahaut, *ca 1210, +14.8.1241, bur Llanthony, Gloucester; m.Humprey V de Bohun, 2nd Earl of Hereford and Essex (*1208, +24.9.1275, bur Llanthony, Gloucester.)4
; his 1st wife.8,3,4,9,5,6
Mahaut/Maud d'Eu de Lusignan died on 14 August 1241 at Quendon, co. Essex, England.8,1,4,5,6
Mahaut/Maud d'Eu de Lusignan was buried after 14 August 1241 at Llanthony Priory, Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England.1,4,5
; van de pas cites: 1. A Genealogical History of the dormant, abeyant, forfeited and extinct peerages of the British Empire, London, 1866, Burke, Sir Bernard, Reference: page 57
2. Encyclopedie Genealogique des Maisons Souveraines du Monde, Paris, VIII 1963,IX 1964,XII 1966, Sirjean, Docteur Gaston, Reference: page 247.
3. The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: VI 462.5 GAV-21 EDV-21 GKJ-22.
; [2m.] Mahaut, *ca 1210, +14.8.1241, bur Llanthony, Gloucester; m.Humprey V de Bohun, 2nd Earl of Hereford and Essex (*1208, +24.9.1275, bur Llanthony, Gloucester.)4
Family | Humphrey V de Bohun 2nd Earl of Hereford, Earl of Essex b. b 1208, d. 24 Sep 1275 |
Children |
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Citations
- [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), pp. 34-35, de BOHUN 4. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
- [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, p. 137, de LUSIGNAN 4:ii.
- [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's Dromant, Abeyant, Forgeited, and Extinct Peerages, p. 57. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Lusignan 2 page (de Lusignan Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/crus/lusignan2.html
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Maud de Lusignan: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00015450&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bohun.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Raoul de Lusignan dit d'Issoudun: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00015448&tree=LEO
- [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215: The Barons Named in the Magna
Charta, 1215 and Some of Their Descendants Who Settled in America
During the Early Colonial Years, 5th Edition (Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., unknown publish date), line 18-2, p. 25. Hereinafter cited as Weis MCS-5. - [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Humphrey de Bohun: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00015449&tree=LEO
- [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), Dinham: p. 274. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Eleanor de Bohun: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00177621&tree=LEO
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Famille de Bohun, p. 3: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bohun.pdf
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Maud de Bohun: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027702&tree=LEO
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL.htm#MaudBohunM1AnselmMarshallPembroke. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
Henri II d'Eu Count d'Eu, Lord of Hastings1,2,3,4
M, #4962, d. 11 March 1183
Father | John I (?) Count d'Eu, Lord Hastings2,3,4 b. c 1130, d. 26 Jun 1170 |
Mother | Alice (Adelise, Alix, Adélaïde Helissende) d'Aubigny dame de Smergate2,3,4 b. bt 1140 - 1141, d. 11 Sep 1188 |
Reference | GAV24 EDV23 |
Last Edited | 9 Oct 2020 |
Henri II d'Eu Count d'Eu, Lord of Hastings was born at Hastings, co. Sussex, England.5 He was born circa 1155.6 He married Mathilde/Maud de Warenne, daughter of Hamelin (?) d'Anjou, vicomte de Touraine, 1st Earl of Surrey, 1st Earl Warenne and Isabel de Warenne 4th Countess of Surrey, after 1172
;
Her 1st husband. Med Lands reports an earlier marriage of Mathilde to Osbert de de Préaux, but no other source shows this marriage.7,8,9,10,11,3
Henri II d'Eu Count d'Eu, Lord of Hastings was buried in 1183 at Foucarmont Abbey, Normandy, France.6
Henri II d'Eu Count d'Eu, Lord of Hastings died on 11 March 1183 at Hastings, co. Sussex, England; Weis says d. 11 Mar 1183; Genealogics says d. ca 1190; Med Lands ays d. 12 or 16/17 Jul 1190/91.5,1,12,2,3
Henri II d'Eu Count d'Eu, Lord of Hastings was buried after 11 March 1183 at Foucarmont Abbey, Foucarmont, Departement de la Seine-Maritime, Haute-Normandie, France; From Find A Grave:
BIRTH 1159, France
DEATH 11 Mar 1183 (aged 23–24), Domfront, Departement de l'Orne, Basse-Normandie, France
Henry, Count of Eu, fedal Lord of Hastings was son and heir of John d'Eu and Alice d'Aubigny. He was underage in 1170 when he father died. In about 1179, he married Maud de Warenne, widow of Oabert de Preux and daughter of Hamelin Plantagenet, the Earl of Warenne. Henry died in 1183 and was buried at Foucarmont Abbey. His widow died in 1207. Cokayne's Complete Peerage, Vol. III, 1890, p. 291
Family Members
Parents
John d'Eu 1130–1170
Alice d'Aubigny 1136–1188
Spouse
Maud de Warenne 1160–1207
Children
Alix d'Eu de Lusignan 1181–1246
BURIAL Foucarmont Abbey, Foucarmont, Departement de la Seine-Maritime, Haute-Normandie, France
Created by: Mad
Added: 1 Apr 2012
Find a Grave Memorial 87864993.13
; This is the same person as ”Henry I, Count of Eu” at Wikipedia.14 GAV-24 EDV-23 GKJ-24.
; Per Med Lands:
"HENRI d'Eu (-12 or 16/17 Jul [1190/91], bur Fécamp). "Johannes comes Augi" made donations to the abbey of St Michel, Tréport by a charter dated [1169/70], witnessed by "Henricus et Robertus filii comitis et A[elicia] comitissa Augi"[1071]. He succeeded his father as Comte d'Eu, Lord of Hastings. “Alizia comitissa Augi” donated "terram meam de Snergate, infra wallum et extra" to Robert’s Bridge Abbey, for the souls of “Willielmi comitis Arundeliæ patris mei et Aliziæ reginæ matris meæ et…domini mei J. comitis Augi et Godefridi fratris mei et Matildis et Margaretæ filiarum mearum”, by undated charter, witnessed by “Henrico comite Augi, Roberto fratre eius, Aluredo de Sancto Martino…”[1072]. The Red Book of the Exchequer, listing scutage payments in [1190/91], records "Henricus de Augo" paying "xxxiii l vi s viii d" in Sussex[1073].
"m ([after 1172]) as her second husband, MATHILDE, widow of OSBERT de Préaux, daughter of [HAMELIN d'Anjou Earl of Surrey & his first wife ---] (-before 13 Dec 1228). Her first and second marriages are indicated by the charter dated Mar 1233 under which [her daughter by her second marriage] "Ælicia comitissa Augi in viduitate" granted revenue from "molendino de Duno" to “in matrimonium Ælidæ filiæ Petri de Pratellis fratris mei”[1074]. Her connection with the Warenne family is indicated by the undated charter under which her daughter “Haelisia comitissa Augy quondam uxor Radulfi de Ysondun comitis Augy” donated property to Roche Abbey, witnessed by “domino Willielmo comite Warennæ avunculo meo…”[1075]. Because Mathilde had three children by her first husband who died in [1172], she could not have been the daughter of Hamelin by his wife Isabelle de Warenne. There are therefore two possibilities: either she was Hamelin’s daughter by an otherwise unrecorded earlier marriage or she was the daughter of Isabelle de Warenne by her first marriage. The The latter possibility is unlikely as any daughter of Guillaume de Blois Comte de Boulogne would have been Ctss de Boulogne instead of Guillaume’s sister. In any case, the chronology would be tight for Mathilde to have been Isabelle’s daughter. Until more information comes to light, it is supposed that Mathilde was the daughter of Hamelin by an earlier marriage. Thomas Stapleton, in his "Observations on the Great Rolls of the Exchequer of Normandy", records that "Osbert de Préaux" donated tithes from harvest in the parish of Bois l’Evêque to the monks of Holy Trinity of Mont-de-Rouen, for his own soul “those of his parents and of the parents of his wife Matildis”, undated, and that his wife and “their sons Simon and John” granted the tythe to the monks in perpetuity, but he does not cite the source reference[1076]. She married thirdly Henry de Stuteville Lord of Eckington, Derbyshire. The primary source which confirms her third marriage has not yet been identified. The wording of the charter of her son Pierre, dated to [Jun 1200], suggests that his mother might have died before that date: “Petrus de Pratell” donated annual revenue to Notre-Dame de Beaulieu, for the salvation of “mee et patris mei et matris mee et fratrum meorum...Simonis et Rogeri, Iohannis et Engerranni”[1077]. If this charter is correctly dated, at least two of the donor’s brothers were alive at that time, while his father was certainly deceased. The question then is determining the significance, if any, between his parents not being named in the document while his brothers are named. One possibility is that the unnamed individuals (and therefore including the donor’s mother) were deceased, but the named brothers were living. It should be emphasised that this observation is speculative."
Med Lands cites:
; Per Genealogy.EU (Normandy): “1. Henri, Cte d'Eu, Lord of Hastings, +by 17.3.1183 or 1190/91; m.Maud de Warenne (+ca 1212)”.15
; Per Boyer:
"HENRY, Count d'Eu and Lord of Hastings, died 16 or 17 March 1183, and was buried in the Abbey of Foucarmont.
"He married MAUD DE WARENNE (daughter of HAMELIN PLANTAGENT), who died in or after 1212. She married second Henry d'Estouteville of Eckington, derbyshire, Kirkby-in-Ashfield, Barton and Bradmere, Nottinghamshire, and Dedham, Essex, seigneur de Valmont and Rames in Normandy. While it is said she was buried in the Abbey of Foucarmont, it may have been at Valmont, where he, who was living in 1231, was buried.
"A minor when his fther died, he was for some years in the custody of the earl of Arundel. In 1173 he supported the young King Henry.
"Children, listed by Watson:
; Per Racines et Histoire (Comtes d’Eu): “Henri II d’Eu ° après 1161 + 12, 16 ou 17/07/1190/91 comte d’Eu, earl of Hastings (cité chartes 1169/70)
ép. Maud (Mahaut) de Warenne ° ~1165 + avant 13/12/1228 (30/12/1212 ?) (fille d’Hamelin, Bâtard d’Anjou, 5° earl of Surrey, et d’Isabelle de Warenne, comtesse de Surrey ; ép. 2) Henri d’Estouteville (Henry de Stuteville), Lord of Eckington, Derbyshire + 1232) ”.4
; Per Med Lands:
"[MATHILDE (-before 13 Dec 1228). Her first and second marriages are indicated by the charter dated Mar 1233 under which [her daughter by her second marriage] "Ælicia comitissa Augi in viduitate" granted revenue from "molendino de Duno" to “in matrimonium Ælidæ filiæ Petri de Pratellis fratris mei”[1229]. Her connection with the Warenne family is indicated by the undated charter under which her daughter “Haelisia comitissa Augy quondam uxor Radulfi de Ysondun comitis Augy” donated property to Roche Abbey, witnessed by “domino Willielmo comite Warennæ avunculo meo…”[1230]. Because Mathilde had three children by her first husband who died in [1172], she could not have been the daughter of Hamelin by his wife Isabelle de Warenne. There are therefore two possibilities: either she was Hamelin’s daughter by an otherwise unrecorded earlier marriage or she was the daughter of Isabelle de Warenne by her first marriage. The latter possibility is unlikely as any daughter of Guillaume de Blois Comte de Boulogne would have been Ctss de Boulogne instead of Guillaume’s sister. In any case, the chronology would be tight for Mathilde to have been Isabelle’s daughter. Until more information comes to light, it is supposed that Mathilde was the daughter of Hamelin by an earlier marriage. Thomas Stapleton, in his "Observations on the Great Rolls of the Exchequer of Normandy", records that "Osbert de Préaux" donated tithes from harvest in the parish of Bois l’Evêque to the monks of Holy Trinity of Mont-de-Rouen, for his own soul “those of his parents and of the parents of his wife Matildis”, undated, and that his wife and “their sons Simon and John” granted the tythe to the monks in perpetuity, but he does not cite the source reference[1231]. The primary source which confirms her third marriage has not yet been identified. The wording of the charter of her son Pierre, dated to [Jun 1200], suggests that his mother might have died before that date: “Petrus de Pratell” donated annual revenue to Notre-Dame de Beaulieu, for the salvation of “mee et patris mei et matris mee et fratrum meorum...Simonis et Rogeri, Iohannis et Engerranni”[1232]. If this charter is correctly dated, at least two of the donor’s brothers were alive at that time, while his father was certainly deceased. The question then is determining the significance, if any, between his parents not being named in the document while his brothers are named. One possibility is that the unnamed individuals (and therefore including the donor’s mother) were deceased, but the named brothers were living. It should be emphasised that this observation is speculative.
"m firstly ([1163/67]) OSBERT de Préaux, son of --- (-before 1172).
"m secondly HENRI [II] Comte d'Eu Lord of Hastings, son of JEAN [I] Comte d'Eu & his wife Alice d'Aubigny of Arundel (-16/17 Jul [1190/91]).
"m thirdly HENRY de Stuteville Lord of Eckington co Derby, Seigneur de Valmont et de Rames (-before 1236).]"
Med Lands cites:
; Per Racines et Histoire (Anjou): “Mahaut de Warenne ° ~1162/65 + ~13/12/1228
ép. 1) Henri, comte d’Eu, Lord of Hastings + 1190/91
ép. 2) Henri d’Estouteville, seigneur d’Estouteville Rames et Valmont, baron de Cleuville, Lord of Eckington, chevalier banneret + 05/04/1232 ”.17
; Per Weis: “Maud de Warenne, d. bef. 13 Dec. 1228; m. (1) Henry (139-27), Count d'Eu, Lord of Hastings, d. 11 Mar. 1183; m. (2) Henry de Stouteville, d. 1232/1236, Lord of Eckingtonn, Seigneur de Valmont, son of Robert de Stouteville and Leonia, of salisbury, Dame of Rames. (CP V:158-160, VII (1):500; ES XIII/103, Gens. 25-27; ES.2/355).”.10
; Per Genealogy.EU (Anjou 2): “F4. Mathilde, *ca 1162, +by 13.12.1228; 1m: Cte Henri d'Eu (+1190/91); 2m: Henri d'Estouteville, Lord of Eckington, sn de Valmont et de Rames (+before 1236)”.18
;
Her 1st husband. Med Lands reports an earlier marriage of Mathilde to Osbert de de Préaux, but no other source shows this marriage.7,8,9,10,11,3
Henri II d'Eu Count d'Eu, Lord of Hastings was buried in 1183 at Foucarmont Abbey, Normandy, France.6
Henri II d'Eu Count d'Eu, Lord of Hastings died on 11 March 1183 at Hastings, co. Sussex, England; Weis says d. 11 Mar 1183; Genealogics says d. ca 1190; Med Lands ays d. 12 or 16/17 Jul 1190/91.5,1,12,2,3
Henri II d'Eu Count d'Eu, Lord of Hastings was buried after 11 March 1183 at Foucarmont Abbey, Foucarmont, Departement de la Seine-Maritime, Haute-Normandie, France; From Find A Grave:
BIRTH 1159, France
DEATH 11 Mar 1183 (aged 23–24), Domfront, Departement de l'Orne, Basse-Normandie, France
Henry, Count of Eu, fedal Lord of Hastings was son and heir of John d'Eu and Alice d'Aubigny. He was underage in 1170 when he father died. In about 1179, he married Maud de Warenne, widow of Oabert de Preux and daughter of Hamelin Plantagenet, the Earl of Warenne. Henry died in 1183 and was buried at Foucarmont Abbey. His widow died in 1207. Cokayne's Complete Peerage, Vol. III, 1890, p. 291
Family Members
Parents
John d'Eu 1130–1170
Alice d'Aubigny 1136–1188
Spouse
Maud de Warenne 1160–1207
Children
Alix d'Eu de Lusignan 1181–1246
BURIAL Foucarmont Abbey, Foucarmont, Departement de la Seine-Maritime, Haute-Normandie, France
Created by: Mad
Added: 1 Apr 2012
Find a Grave Memorial 87864993.13
; This is the same person as ”Henry I, Count of Eu” at Wikipedia.14 GAV-24 EDV-23 GKJ-24.
; Per Med Lands:
"HENRI d'Eu (-12 or 16/17 Jul [1190/91], bur Fécamp). "Johannes comes Augi" made donations to the abbey of St Michel, Tréport by a charter dated [1169/70], witnessed by "Henricus et Robertus filii comitis et A[elicia] comitissa Augi"[1071]. He succeeded his father as Comte d'Eu, Lord of Hastings. “Alizia comitissa Augi” donated "terram meam de Snergate, infra wallum et extra" to Robert’s Bridge Abbey, for the souls of “Willielmi comitis Arundeliæ patris mei et Aliziæ reginæ matris meæ et…domini mei J. comitis Augi et Godefridi fratris mei et Matildis et Margaretæ filiarum mearum”, by undated charter, witnessed by “Henrico comite Augi, Roberto fratre eius, Aluredo de Sancto Martino…”[1072]. The Red Book of the Exchequer, listing scutage payments in [1190/91], records "Henricus de Augo" paying "xxxiii l vi s viii d" in Sussex[1073].
"m ([after 1172]) as her second husband, MATHILDE, widow of OSBERT de Préaux, daughter of [HAMELIN d'Anjou Earl of Surrey & his first wife ---] (-before 13 Dec 1228). Her first and second marriages are indicated by the charter dated Mar 1233 under which [her daughter by her second marriage] "Ælicia comitissa Augi in viduitate" granted revenue from "molendino de Duno" to “in matrimonium Ælidæ filiæ Petri de Pratellis fratris mei”[1074]. Her connection with the Warenne family is indicated by the undated charter under which her daughter “Haelisia comitissa Augy quondam uxor Radulfi de Ysondun comitis Augy” donated property to Roche Abbey, witnessed by “domino Willielmo comite Warennæ avunculo meo…”[1075]. Because Mathilde had three children by her first husband who died in [1172], she could not have been the daughter of Hamelin by his wife Isabelle de Warenne. There are therefore two possibilities: either she was Hamelin’s daughter by an otherwise unrecorded earlier marriage or she was the daughter of Isabelle de Warenne by her first marriage. The The latter possibility is unlikely as any daughter of Guillaume de Blois Comte de Boulogne would have been Ctss de Boulogne instead of Guillaume’s sister. In any case, the chronology would be tight for Mathilde to have been Isabelle’s daughter. Until more information comes to light, it is supposed that Mathilde was the daughter of Hamelin by an earlier marriage. Thomas Stapleton, in his "Observations on the Great Rolls of the Exchequer of Normandy", records that "Osbert de Préaux" donated tithes from harvest in the parish of Bois l’Evêque to the monks of Holy Trinity of Mont-de-Rouen, for his own soul “those of his parents and of the parents of his wife Matildis”, undated, and that his wife and “their sons Simon and John” granted the tythe to the monks in perpetuity, but he does not cite the source reference[1076]. She married thirdly Henry de Stuteville Lord of Eckington, Derbyshire. The primary source which confirms her third marriage has not yet been identified. The wording of the charter of her son Pierre, dated to [Jun 1200], suggests that his mother might have died before that date: “Petrus de Pratell” donated annual revenue to Notre-Dame de Beaulieu, for the salvation of “mee et patris mei et matris mee et fratrum meorum...Simonis et Rogeri, Iohannis et Engerranni”[1077]. If this charter is correctly dated, at least two of the donor’s brothers were alive at that time, while his father was certainly deceased. The question then is determining the significance, if any, between his parents not being named in the document while his brothers are named. One possibility is that the unnamed individuals (and therefore including the donor’s mother) were deceased, but the named brothers were living. It should be emphasised that this observation is speculative."
Med Lands cites:
[1071] Tréport Saint-Michel 32, p. 64.
[1072] Dugdale Monasticon, Vol. V, Robert’s Bridge Abbey, Sussex, III, p. 667.
[1073] Red Book Exchequer, Part I, Anno secundo regis Ricardi…scutagium Walliæ assisum, p. 72.
[1074] Rotuli Scaccarii Normanniæ, Vol. II, p. ccxxxi, charter quoted but no source reference.
[1075] Dugdale Monasticon V, Roche Abbey, Yorkshire XII, p. 505.
[1076] Rotuli Scaccarii Normanniæ, Vol. II, p. ccxxxi.
[1077] Vincent (2013), Appendix of Charters, 7, p. 115.3
[1072] Dugdale Monasticon, Vol. V, Robert’s Bridge Abbey, Sussex, III, p. 667.
[1073] Red Book Exchequer, Part I, Anno secundo regis Ricardi…scutagium Walliæ assisum, p. 72.
[1074] Rotuli Scaccarii Normanniæ, Vol. II, p. ccxxxi, charter quoted but no source reference.
[1075] Dugdale Monasticon V, Roche Abbey, Yorkshire XII, p. 505.
[1076] Rotuli Scaccarii Normanniæ, Vol. II, p. ccxxxi.
[1077] Vincent (2013), Appendix of Charters, 7, p. 115.3
; Per Genealogy.EU (Normandy): “1. Henri, Cte d'Eu, Lord of Hastings, +by 17.3.1183 or 1190/91; m.Maud de Warenne (+ca 1212)”.15
; Per Boyer:
"HENRY, Count d'Eu and Lord of Hastings, died 16 or 17 March 1183, and was buried in the Abbey of Foucarmont.
"He married MAUD DE WARENNE (daughter of HAMELIN PLANTAGENT), who died in or after 1212. She married second Henry d'Estouteville of Eckington, derbyshire, Kirkby-in-Ashfield, Barton and Bradmere, Nottinghamshire, and Dedham, Essex, seigneur de Valmont and Rames in Normandy. While it is said she was buried in the Abbey of Foucarmont, it may have been at Valmont, where he, who was living in 1231, was buried.
"A minor when his fther died, he was for some years in the custody of the earl of Arundel. In 1173 he supported the young King Henry.
"Children, listed by Watson:
i. Raoul, d. 1186, bur. Foucarmont, no issue.
ii. Alice d'Eu, countess d'Eu, d. 14 May 1246; m. c. 1191 Raoul (or Ralph) 1 de Lusignan, who d. 1 May 1219."5,16
ii. Alice d'Eu, countess d'Eu, d. 14 May 1246; m. c. 1191 Raoul (or Ralph) 1 de Lusignan, who d. 1 May 1219."5,16
; Per Racines et Histoire (Comtes d’Eu): “Henri II d’Eu ° après 1161 + 12, 16 ou 17/07/1190/91 comte d’Eu, earl of Hastings (cité chartes 1169/70)
ép. Maud (Mahaut) de Warenne ° ~1165 + avant 13/12/1228 (30/12/1212 ?) (fille d’Hamelin, Bâtard d’Anjou, 5° earl of Surrey, et d’Isabelle de Warenne, comtesse de Surrey ; ép. 2) Henri d’Estouteville (Henry de Stuteville), Lord of Eckington, Derbyshire + 1232) ”.4
; Per Med Lands:
"[MATHILDE (-before 13 Dec 1228). Her first and second marriages are indicated by the charter dated Mar 1233 under which [her daughter by her second marriage] "Ælicia comitissa Augi in viduitate" granted revenue from "molendino de Duno" to “in matrimonium Ælidæ filiæ Petri de Pratellis fratris mei”[1229]. Her connection with the Warenne family is indicated by the undated charter under which her daughter “Haelisia comitissa Augy quondam uxor Radulfi de Ysondun comitis Augy” donated property to Roche Abbey, witnessed by “domino Willielmo comite Warennæ avunculo meo…”[1230]. Because Mathilde had three children by her first husband who died in [1172], she could not have been the daughter of Hamelin by his wife Isabelle de Warenne. There are therefore two possibilities: either she was Hamelin’s daughter by an otherwise unrecorded earlier marriage or she was the daughter of Isabelle de Warenne by her first marriage. The latter possibility is unlikely as any daughter of Guillaume de Blois Comte de Boulogne would have been Ctss de Boulogne instead of Guillaume’s sister. In any case, the chronology would be tight for Mathilde to have been Isabelle’s daughter. Until more information comes to light, it is supposed that Mathilde was the daughter of Hamelin by an earlier marriage. Thomas Stapleton, in his "Observations on the Great Rolls of the Exchequer of Normandy", records that "Osbert de Préaux" donated tithes from harvest in the parish of Bois l’Evêque to the monks of Holy Trinity of Mont-de-Rouen, for his own soul “those of his parents and of the parents of his wife Matildis”, undated, and that his wife and “their sons Simon and John” granted the tythe to the monks in perpetuity, but he does not cite the source reference[1231]. The primary source which confirms her third marriage has not yet been identified. The wording of the charter of her son Pierre, dated to [Jun 1200], suggests that his mother might have died before that date: “Petrus de Pratell” donated annual revenue to Notre-Dame de Beaulieu, for the salvation of “mee et patris mei et matris mee et fratrum meorum...Simonis et Rogeri, Iohannis et Engerranni”[1232]. If this charter is correctly dated, at least two of the donor’s brothers were alive at that time, while his father was certainly deceased. The question then is determining the significance, if any, between his parents not being named in the document while his brothers are named. One possibility is that the unnamed individuals (and therefore including the donor’s mother) were deceased, but the named brothers were living. It should be emphasised that this observation is speculative.
"m firstly ([1163/67]) OSBERT de Préaux, son of --- (-before 1172).
"m secondly HENRI [II] Comte d'Eu Lord of Hastings, son of JEAN [I] Comte d'Eu & his wife Alice d'Aubigny of Arundel (-16/17 Jul [1190/91]).
"m thirdly HENRY de Stuteville Lord of Eckington co Derby, Seigneur de Valmont et de Rames (-before 1236).]"
Med Lands cites:
[1229] Rotuli Scaccarii Normanniæ, Vol. II, p. ccxxxi, charter quoted but no source reference.
[1230] Dugdale Monasticon V, Roche Abbey, Yorkshire XII, p. 505.
[1231] Rotuli Scaccarii Normanniæ, Vol. II, p. ccxxxi.
[1232] Vincent (2013), Appendix of Charters, 7, p. 115.11
[1230] Dugdale Monasticon V, Roche Abbey, Yorkshire XII, p. 505.
[1231] Rotuli Scaccarii Normanniæ, Vol. II, p. ccxxxi.
[1232] Vincent (2013), Appendix of Charters, 7, p. 115.11
; Per Racines et Histoire (Anjou): “Mahaut de Warenne ° ~1162/65 + ~13/12/1228
ép. 1) Henri, comte d’Eu, Lord of Hastings + 1190/91
ép. 2) Henri d’Estouteville, seigneur d’Estouteville Rames et Valmont, baron de Cleuville, Lord of Eckington, chevalier banneret + 05/04/1232 ”.17
; Per Weis: “Maud de Warenne, d. bef. 13 Dec. 1228; m. (1) Henry (139-27), Count d'Eu, Lord of Hastings, d. 11 Mar. 1183; m. (2) Henry de Stouteville, d. 1232/1236, Lord of Eckingtonn, Seigneur de Valmont, son of Robert de Stouteville and Leonia, of salisbury, Dame of Rames. (CP V:158-160, VII (1):500; ES XIII/103, Gens. 25-27; ES.2/355).”.10
; Per Genealogy.EU (Anjou 2): “F4. Mathilde, *ca 1162, +by 13.12.1228; 1m: Cte Henri d'Eu (+1190/91); 2m: Henri d'Estouteville, Lord of Eckington, sn de Valmont et de Rames (+before 1236)”.18
Family | Mathilde/Maud de Warenne b. c 1162, d. b 13 Dec 1228 |
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Citations
- [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), pp. 199-200, PLANTAGENET 7:iv. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Henri II: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00015444&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/normacre.htm#HenriIIEudied1190. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
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- [S616] Inc. Brøderbund Software, GEDCOM file imported on 26 Dec 1999 from World Family Tree Vol. 18, Ed. 1, Family #18-0770., CD-ROM (n.p.: Brøderbund Software, Inc., 1998). Hereinafter cited as WFT 18-0770.
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- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Anjou-Gatinais.pdf, p. 8.
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- [S2372] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 8th ed. w/ additions by Wm R. and Kaleen E. Beall (Baltimore, 1992: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 2004), Line 123-27, p. 122. Hereinafter cited as Weis [2004] "Ancestral Roots" 8th ed.
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL.htm#MathildeM1HenriEudied1190M2HenriEckingto
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Mathilde/Maud de Warenne1,2,3,4,5,6
F, #4963, b. circa 1162, d. before 13 December 1228
Father | Hamelin (?) d'Anjou, vicomte de Touraine, 1st Earl of Surrey, 1st Earl Warenne7,8,9,10,11,12,6 b. 1130, d. 7 May 1202 |
Mother | Isabel de Warenne 4th Countess of Surrey7,13,11,14,12,6 b. 1137, d. 12 Jul 1203 |
Reference | GAV24 EDV24 |
Last Edited | 9 Oct 2020 |
Mathilde/Maud de Warenne was born circa 1162 at co. Surrey, England.7 She married Henri II d'Eu Count d'Eu, Lord of Hastings, son of John I (?) Count d'Eu, Lord Hastings and Alice (Adelise, Alix, Adélaïde Helissende) d'Aubigny dame de Smergate, after 1172
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Her 1st husband. Med Lands reports an earlier marriage of Mathilde to Osbert de de Préaux, but no other source shows this marriage.7,15,16,5,6,17 Mathilde/Maud de Warenne married Henri I d'Estouteville Lord of Eckington, seigneur d'Estouteville et de Valmont, baron de Cleuville, son of Robert III/IV d'Estouteville seigneur d'Estouteville et de Valmont, baron de Cleuville and Léonelle de Salisbury dame de Rames, Dedham (Essex), Bourn (Nottinghamshire), after July 1190
;
Her 2nd husband; his 1st wife. Her 1st husband d. in 1183.1,7,15,16,5,6,4,18,19
Mathilde/Maud de Warenne died before 13 December 1228.7,1,15,5,6
Mathilde/Maud de Warenne was buried before 13 December 1228 ; From Find A Grave:
BIRTH 1160, Surrey, England
DEATH 1207 (aged 46–47), Domfront, Departement de l'Orne, Basse-Normandie, France
English and French Aristocracy. Born Mahant de Warenne , the daughter of Hamelin d'Anjou de Warenne and Isabella de Warenne, she was first cousin to Richard I and John of England. She married, Henri d'Eu, 6th Comte d'Eu, and with him had four children. After her husband's death in 1183, she married Henri d'Estouteville, and with him had three children. It is unknown exactly when and how she died, but records indicate it was within a few years of 1219. She has also been referred to as Maud de Warenne, Matilda de Warenne, and Margaret de Warenne. Bio by: Iola
Family Members
Parents
Hamelin De Warenne 1135–1202
Isabella De Warenne 1136–1199
Spouses
Henry II d'Eu 1159–1183
Henri d' Estouteville unknown–1232
Siblings
Adela De Warenne
William De Warenne 1167–1240
Children
Alix d'Eu de Lusignan 1181–1246
BURIAL Foucarmont Abbey, Foucarmont, Departement de la Seine-Maritime, Haute-Normandie, France
Created by: Mad
Added: 1 Apr 2012
Find a Grave Memorial 87865573.20
; Per Med Lands:
"HENRI d'Eu (-12 or 16/17 Jul [1190/91], bur Fécamp). "Johannes comes Augi" made donations to the abbey of St Michel, Tréport by a charter dated [1169/70], witnessed by "Henricus et Robertus filii comitis et A[elicia] comitissa Augi"[1071]. He succeeded his father as Comte d'Eu, Lord of Hastings. “Alizia comitissa Augi” donated "terram meam de Snergate, infra wallum et extra" to Robert’s Bridge Abbey, for the souls of “Willielmi comitis Arundeliæ patris mei et Aliziæ reginæ matris meæ et…domini mei J. comitis Augi et Godefridi fratris mei et Matildis et Margaretæ filiarum mearum”, by undated charter, witnessed by “Henrico comite Augi, Roberto fratre eius, Aluredo de Sancto Martino…”[1072]. The Red Book of the Exchequer, listing scutage payments in [1190/91], records "Henricus de Augo" paying "xxxiii l vi s viii d" in Sussex[1073].
"m ([after 1172]) as her second husband, MATHILDE, widow of OSBERT de Préaux, daughter of [HAMELIN d'Anjou Earl of Surrey & his first wife ---] (-before 13 Dec 1228). Her first and second marriages are indicated by the charter dated Mar 1233 under which [her daughter by her second marriage] "Ælicia comitissa Augi in viduitate" granted revenue from "molendino de Duno" to “in matrimonium Ælidæ filiæ Petri de Pratellis fratris mei”[1074]. Her connection with the Warenne family is indicated by the undated charter under which her daughter “Haelisia comitissa Augy quondam uxor Radulfi de Ysondun comitis Augy” donated property to Roche Abbey, witnessed by “domino Willielmo comite Warennæ avunculo meo…”[1075]. Because Mathilde had three children by her first husband who died in [1172], she could not have been the daughter of Hamelin by his wife Isabelle de Warenne. There are therefore two possibilities: either she was Hamelin’s daughter by an otherwise unrecorded earlier marriage or she was the daughter of Isabelle de Warenne by her first marriage. The The latter possibility is unlikely as any daughter of Guillaume de Blois Comte de Boulogne would have been Ctss de Boulogne instead of Guillaume’s sister. In any case, the chronology would be tight for Mathilde to have been Isabelle’s daughter. Until more information comes to light, it is supposed that Mathilde was the daughter of Hamelin by an earlier marriage. Thomas Stapleton, in his "Observations on the Great Rolls of the Exchequer of Normandy", records that "Osbert de Préaux" donated tithes from harvest in the parish of Bois l’Evêque to the monks of Holy Trinity of Mont-de-Rouen, for his own soul “those of his parents and of the parents of his wife Matildis”, undated, and that his wife and “their sons Simon and John” granted the tythe to the monks in perpetuity, but he does not cite the source reference[1076]. She married thirdly Henry de Stuteville Lord of Eckington, Derbyshire. The primary source which confirms her third marriage has not yet been identified. The wording of the charter of her son Pierre, dated to [Jun 1200], suggests that his mother might have died before that date: “Petrus de Pratell” donated annual revenue to Notre-Dame de Beaulieu, for the salvation of “mee et patris mei et matris mee et fratrum meorum...Simonis et Rogeri, Iohannis et Engerranni”[1077]. If this charter is correctly dated, at least two of the donor’s brothers were alive at that time, while his father was certainly deceased. The question then is determining the significance, if any, between his parents not being named in the document while his brothers are named. One possibility is that the unnamed individuals (and therefore including the donor’s mother) were deceased, but the named brothers were living. It should be emphasised that this observation is speculative."
Med Lands cites:
; Per Boyer:
"HENRY, Count d'Eu and Lord of Hastings, died 16 or 17 March 1183, and was buried in the Abbey of Foucarmont.
"He married MAUD DE WARENNE (daughter of HAMELIN PLANTAGENT), who died in or after 1212. She married second Henry d'Estouteville of Eckington, derbyshire, Kirkby-in-Ashfield, Barton and Bradmere, Nottinghamshire, and Dedham, Essex, seigneur de Valmont and Rames in Normandy. While it is said she was buried in the Abbey of Foucarmont, it may have been at Valmont, where he, who was living in 1231, was buried.
"A minor when his fther died, he was for some years in the custody of the earl of Arundel. In 1173 he supported the young King Henry.
"Children, listed by Watson:
; Per Racines et Histoire (Comtes d’Eu): “Henri II d’Eu ° après 1161 + 12, 16 ou 17/07/1190/91 comte d’Eu, earl of Hastings (cité chartes 1169/70)
ép. Maud (Mahaut) de Warenne ° ~1165 + avant 13/12/1228 (30/12/1212 ?) (fille d’Hamelin, Bâtard d’Anjou, 5° earl of Surrey, et d’Isabelle de Warenne, comtesse de Surrey ; ép. 2) Henri d’Estouteville (Henry de Stuteville), Lord of Eckington, Derbyshire + 1232) ”.23
; Per Genealogy.EU (Normandy): “1. Henri, Cte d'Eu, Lord of Hastings, +by 17.3.1183 or 1190/91; m.Maud de Warenne (+ca 1212)”.24
Reference: Genealogics cites:
; Per Med Lands:
"[MATHILDE (-before 13 Dec 1228). Her first and second marriages are indicated by the charter dated Mar 1233 under which [her daughter by her second marriage] "Ælicia comitissa Augi in viduitate" granted revenue from "molendino de Duno" to “in matrimonium Ælidæ filiæ Petri de Pratellis fratris mei”[1229]. Her connection with the Warenne family is indicated by the undated charter under which her daughter “Haelisia comitissa Augy quondam uxor Radulfi de Ysondun comitis Augy” donated property to Roche Abbey, witnessed by “domino Willielmo comite Warennæ avunculo meo…”[1230]. Because Mathilde had three children by her first husband who died in [1172], she could not have been the daughter of Hamelin by his wife Isabelle de Warenne. There are therefore two possibilities: either she was Hamelin’s daughter by an otherwise unrecorded earlier marriage or she was the daughter of Isabelle de Warenne by her first marriage. The latter possibility is unlikely as any daughter of Guillaume de Blois Comte de Boulogne would have been Ctss de Boulogne instead of Guillaume’s sister. In any case, the chronology would be tight for Mathilde to have been Isabelle’s daughter. Until more information comes to light, it is supposed that Mathilde was the daughter of Hamelin by an earlier marriage. Thomas Stapleton, in his "Observations on the Great Rolls of the Exchequer of Normandy", records that "Osbert de Préaux" donated tithes from harvest in the parish of Bois l’Evêque to the monks of Holy Trinity of Mont-de-Rouen, for his own soul “those of his parents and of the parents of his wife Matildis”, undated, and that his wife and “their sons Simon and John” granted the tythe to the monks in perpetuity, but he does not cite the source reference[1231]. The primary source which confirms her third marriage has not yet been identified. The wording of the charter of her son Pierre, dated to [Jun 1200], suggests that his mother might have died before that date: “Petrus de Pratell” donated annual revenue to Notre-Dame de Beaulieu, for the salvation of “mee et patris mei et matris mee et fratrum meorum...Simonis et Rogeri, Iohannis et Engerranni”[1232]. If this charter is correctly dated, at least two of the donor’s brothers were alive at that time, while his father was certainly deceased. The question then is determining the significance, if any, between his parents not being named in the document while his brothers are named. One possibility is that the unnamed individuals (and therefore including the donor’s mother) were deceased, but the named brothers were living. It should be emphasised that this observation is speculative.
"m firstly ([1163/67]) OSBERT de Préaux, son of --- (-before 1172).
"m secondly HENRI [II] Comte d'Eu Lord of Hastings, son of JEAN [I] Comte d'Eu & his wife Alice d'Aubigny of Arundel (-16/17 Jul [1190/91]).
"m thirdly HENRY de Stuteville Lord of Eckington co Derby, Seigneur de Valmont et de Rames (-before 1236).]"
Med Lands cites:
; Per Racines et Histoire (Anjou): “Mahaut de Warenne ° ~1162/65 + ~13/12/1228
ép. 1) Henri, comte d’Eu, Lord of Hastings + 1190/91
ép. 2) Henri d’Estouteville, seigneur d’Estouteville Rames et Valmont, baron de Cleuville, Lord of Eckington, chevalier banneret + 05/04/1232 ”.4
; Per Weis: “Maud de Warenne, d. bef. 13 Dec. 1228; m. (1) Henry (139-27), Count d'Eu, Lord of Hastings, d. 11 Mar. 1183; m. (2) Henry de Stouteville, d. 1232/1236, Lord of Eckingtonn, Seigneur de Valmont, son of Robert de Stouteville and Leonia, of salisbury, Dame of Rames. (CP V:158-160, VII (1):500; ES XIII/103, Gens. 25-27; ES.2/355).”.5
; Per Genealogy.EU (Anjou 2): “F4. Mathilde, *ca 1162, +by 13.12.1228; 1m: Cte Henri d'Eu (+1190/91); 2m: Henri d'Estouteville, Lord of Eckington, sn de Valmont et de Rames (+before 1236)”.3
; Per Racines et Histoire (Estouteville): “Henri 1er d’Estouteville ° ~1170 + 05/04/1232 chevalier banneret, seigneur d’Estouteville et de Valmont, baron de Cleuville, croisé (1193) combattant à Bouvines (1214) (cité à Rouen 1205 ; fait serment de fidélité au roi Philippe II «Auguste» qui lui restitue en 1218 Rames, un fief maternel ; donations à Valmont 1212)
ép. Mathilde (Mahaut) d’Eu ° ~1170 + avant 1212 (fille de Jean 1er, comte d’Eu et d’Alice d’Aubigny of Arundel) (certaines sources dont Europaïsche Stammtaffeln lui attribuent une seconde union avec Isabelle de Châteaudun entre 1213 & 1217) ”.26
; Per Med Lands:
"HENRY de Stuteville . The Red Book of the Exchequer refers to "Henricus de Stoteville, xv l de feodo quod est inter ipsum et Hubertum filium Radulfi" in Nottinghamshire, Derbyshire in [1186/87][897]. Lord of Eckington co Derby, Seigneur de Valmont et de Rames. His parentage has not yet been identified.
"m (after Jul [1190/91]) as her third husband, MATHILDE, widow firstly of OSBERT de Préaux and secondly of HENRI [II] Comte d'Eu Lord of Hastings, daughter of [HAMELIN d'Anjou Earl of Surrey & his first wife ---] (-before 13 Dec 1228). Her first and second marriages are indicated by the charter dated Mar 1233 under which [her daughter by her second marriage] "Ælicia comitissa Augi in viduitate" granted revenue from "molendino de Duno" to “in matrimonium Ælidæ filiæ Petri de Pratellis fratris mei”[898]. Her connection with the Warenne family is indicated by the undated charter under which her daughter “Haelisia comitissa Augy quondam uxor Radulfi de Ysondun comitis Augy” donated property to Roche Abbey, witnessed by “domino Willielmo comite Warennæ avunculo meo…”[899]. Because Mathilde had three children by her first husband who died in [1172], she could not have been the daughter of Hamelin by his wife Isabelle de Warenne. There are therefore two possibilities: either she was Hamelin’s daughter by an otherwise unrecorded earlier marriage or she was the daughter of Isabelle de Warenne by her first marriage. The latter possibility is unlikely as any daughter of Guillaume de Blois Comte de Boulogne would have been Ctss de Boulogne instead of Guillaume’s sister. In any case, the chronology would be tight for Mathilde to have been Isabelle’s daughter. Until more information comes to light, it is supposed that Mathilde was the daughter of Hamelin by an earlier marriage. Thomas Stapleton, in his "Observations on the Great Rolls of the Exchequer of Normandy", records that "Osbert de Préaux" donated tithes from harvest in the parish of Bois l’Evêque to the monks of Holy Trinity of Mont-de-Rouen, for his own soul “those of his parents and of the parents of his wife Matildis”, undated, and that his wife and “their sons Simon and John” granted the the to the monks in perpetuity, but he does not cite the source reference[900]. The primary source which confirms her third marriage has not yet been identified. The wording of the charter of her son Pierre, dated to [Jun 1200], suggests that his mother might have died before that date: “Petrus de Pratell” donated annual revenue to Notre-Dame de Beaulieu, for the salvation of “mee et patris mei et matris mee et fratrum meorum...Simonis et Rogeri, Iohannis et Engerranni”[901]. If this charter is correctly dated, at least two of the donor’s brothers were alive at that time, while his father was certainly deceased. The question then is determining the significance, if any, between his parents not being named in the document while his brothers are named. One possibility is that the unnamed individuals (and therefore including the donor’s mother) were deceased, but the named brothers were living. It should be emphasised that this observation is speculative."
Med Lands cites:
;
Her 1st husband. Med Lands reports an earlier marriage of Mathilde to Osbert de de Préaux, but no other source shows this marriage.7,15,16,5,6,17 Mathilde/Maud de Warenne married Henri I d'Estouteville Lord of Eckington, seigneur d'Estouteville et de Valmont, baron de Cleuville, son of Robert III/IV d'Estouteville seigneur d'Estouteville et de Valmont, baron de Cleuville and Léonelle de Salisbury dame de Rames, Dedham (Essex), Bourn (Nottinghamshire), after July 1190
;
Her 2nd husband; his 1st wife. Her 1st husband d. in 1183.1,7,15,16,5,6,4,18,19
Mathilde/Maud de Warenne died before 13 December 1228.7,1,15,5,6
Mathilde/Maud de Warenne was buried before 13 December 1228 ; From Find A Grave:
BIRTH 1160, Surrey, England
DEATH 1207 (aged 46–47), Domfront, Departement de l'Orne, Basse-Normandie, France
English and French Aristocracy. Born Mahant de Warenne , the daughter of Hamelin d'Anjou de Warenne and Isabella de Warenne, she was first cousin to Richard I and John of England. She married, Henri d'Eu, 6th Comte d'Eu, and with him had four children. After her husband's death in 1183, she married Henri d'Estouteville, and with him had three children. It is unknown exactly when and how she died, but records indicate it was within a few years of 1219. She has also been referred to as Maud de Warenne, Matilda de Warenne, and Margaret de Warenne. Bio by: Iola
Family Members
Parents
Hamelin De Warenne 1135–1202
Isabella De Warenne 1136–1199
Spouses
Henry II d'Eu 1159–1183
Henri d' Estouteville unknown–1232
Siblings
Adela De Warenne
William De Warenne 1167–1240
Children
Alix d'Eu de Lusignan 1181–1246
BURIAL Foucarmont Abbey, Foucarmont, Departement de la Seine-Maritime, Haute-Normandie, France
Created by: Mad
Added: 1 Apr 2012
Find a Grave Memorial 87865573.20
; Per Med Lands:
"HENRI d'Eu (-12 or 16/17 Jul [1190/91], bur Fécamp). "Johannes comes Augi" made donations to the abbey of St Michel, Tréport by a charter dated [1169/70], witnessed by "Henricus et Robertus filii comitis et A[elicia] comitissa Augi"[1071]. He succeeded his father as Comte d'Eu, Lord of Hastings. “Alizia comitissa Augi” donated "terram meam de Snergate, infra wallum et extra" to Robert’s Bridge Abbey, for the souls of “Willielmi comitis Arundeliæ patris mei et Aliziæ reginæ matris meæ et…domini mei J. comitis Augi et Godefridi fratris mei et Matildis et Margaretæ filiarum mearum”, by undated charter, witnessed by “Henrico comite Augi, Roberto fratre eius, Aluredo de Sancto Martino…”[1072]. The Red Book of the Exchequer, listing scutage payments in [1190/91], records "Henricus de Augo" paying "xxxiii l vi s viii d" in Sussex[1073].
"m ([after 1172]) as her second husband, MATHILDE, widow of OSBERT de Préaux, daughter of [HAMELIN d'Anjou Earl of Surrey & his first wife ---] (-before 13 Dec 1228). Her first and second marriages are indicated by the charter dated Mar 1233 under which [her daughter by her second marriage] "Ælicia comitissa Augi in viduitate" granted revenue from "molendino de Duno" to “in matrimonium Ælidæ filiæ Petri de Pratellis fratris mei”[1074]. Her connection with the Warenne family is indicated by the undated charter under which her daughter “Haelisia comitissa Augy quondam uxor Radulfi de Ysondun comitis Augy” donated property to Roche Abbey, witnessed by “domino Willielmo comite Warennæ avunculo meo…”[1075]. Because Mathilde had three children by her first husband who died in [1172], she could not have been the daughter of Hamelin by his wife Isabelle de Warenne. There are therefore two possibilities: either she was Hamelin’s daughter by an otherwise unrecorded earlier marriage or she was the daughter of Isabelle de Warenne by her first marriage. The The latter possibility is unlikely as any daughter of Guillaume de Blois Comte de Boulogne would have been Ctss de Boulogne instead of Guillaume’s sister. In any case, the chronology would be tight for Mathilde to have been Isabelle’s daughter. Until more information comes to light, it is supposed that Mathilde was the daughter of Hamelin by an earlier marriage. Thomas Stapleton, in his "Observations on the Great Rolls of the Exchequer of Normandy", records that "Osbert de Préaux" donated tithes from harvest in the parish of Bois l’Evêque to the monks of Holy Trinity of Mont-de-Rouen, for his own soul “those of his parents and of the parents of his wife Matildis”, undated, and that his wife and “their sons Simon and John” granted the tythe to the monks in perpetuity, but he does not cite the source reference[1076]. She married thirdly Henry de Stuteville Lord of Eckington, Derbyshire. The primary source which confirms her third marriage has not yet been identified. The wording of the charter of her son Pierre, dated to [Jun 1200], suggests that his mother might have died before that date: “Petrus de Pratell” donated annual revenue to Notre-Dame de Beaulieu, for the salvation of “mee et patris mei et matris mee et fratrum meorum...Simonis et Rogeri, Iohannis et Engerranni”[1077]. If this charter is correctly dated, at least two of the donor’s brothers were alive at that time, while his father was certainly deceased. The question then is determining the significance, if any, between his parents not being named in the document while his brothers are named. One possibility is that the unnamed individuals (and therefore including the donor’s mother) were deceased, but the named brothers were living. It should be emphasised that this observation is speculative."
Med Lands cites:
[1071] Tréport Saint-Michel 32, p. 64.
[1072] Dugdale Monasticon, Vol. V, Robert’s Bridge Abbey, Sussex, III, p. 667.
[1073] Red Book Exchequer, Part I, Anno secundo regis Ricardi…scutagium Walliæ assisum, p. 72.
[1074] Rotuli Scaccarii Normanniæ, Vol. II, p. ccxxxi, charter quoted but no source reference.
[1075] Dugdale Monasticon V, Roche Abbey, Yorkshire XII, p. 505.
[1076] Rotuli Scaccarii Normanniæ, Vol. II, p. ccxxxi.
[1077] Vincent (2013), Appendix of Charters, 7, p. 115.17
[1072] Dugdale Monasticon, Vol. V, Robert’s Bridge Abbey, Sussex, III, p. 667.
[1073] Red Book Exchequer, Part I, Anno secundo regis Ricardi…scutagium Walliæ assisum, p. 72.
[1074] Rotuli Scaccarii Normanniæ, Vol. II, p. ccxxxi, charter quoted but no source reference.
[1075] Dugdale Monasticon V, Roche Abbey, Yorkshire XII, p. 505.
[1076] Rotuli Scaccarii Normanniæ, Vol. II, p. ccxxxi.
[1077] Vincent (2013), Appendix of Charters, 7, p. 115.17
; Per Boyer:
"HENRY, Count d'Eu and Lord of Hastings, died 16 or 17 March 1183, and was buried in the Abbey of Foucarmont.
"He married MAUD DE WARENNE (daughter of HAMELIN PLANTAGENT), who died in or after 1212. She married second Henry d'Estouteville of Eckington, derbyshire, Kirkby-in-Ashfield, Barton and Bradmere, Nottinghamshire, and Dedham, Essex, seigneur de Valmont and Rames in Normandy. While it is said she was buried in the Abbey of Foucarmont, it may have been at Valmont, where he, who was living in 1231, was buried.
"A minor when his fther died, he was for some years in the custody of the earl of Arundel. In 1173 he supported the young King Henry.
"Children, listed by Watson:
i. Raoul, d. 1186, bur. Foucarmont, no issue.
ii. Alice d'Eu, countess d'Eu, d. 14 May 1246; m. c. 1191 Raoul (or Ralph) 1 de Lusignan, who d. 1 May 1219."21,22
ii. Alice d'Eu, countess d'Eu, d. 14 May 1246; m. c. 1191 Raoul (or Ralph) 1 de Lusignan, who d. 1 May 1219."21,22
; Per Racines et Histoire (Comtes d’Eu): “Henri II d’Eu ° après 1161 + 12, 16 ou 17/07/1190/91 comte d’Eu, earl of Hastings (cité chartes 1169/70)
ép. Maud (Mahaut) de Warenne ° ~1165 + avant 13/12/1228 (30/12/1212 ?) (fille d’Hamelin, Bâtard d’Anjou, 5° earl of Surrey, et d’Isabelle de Warenne, comtesse de Surrey ; ép. 2) Henri d’Estouteville (Henry de Stuteville), Lord of Eckington, Derbyshire + 1232) ”.23
; Per Genealogy.EU (Normandy): “1. Henri, Cte d'Eu, Lord of Hastings, +by 17.3.1183 or 1190/91; m.Maud de Warenne (+ca 1212)”.24
Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: vol V page 159.
2. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.), Reference: vol III/2 page 355.25
GAV-24 EDV-24 GKJ-24. 2. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.), Reference: vol III/2 page 355.25
; Per Med Lands:
"[MATHILDE (-before 13 Dec 1228). Her first and second marriages are indicated by the charter dated Mar 1233 under which [her daughter by her second marriage] "Ælicia comitissa Augi in viduitate" granted revenue from "molendino de Duno" to “in matrimonium Ælidæ filiæ Petri de Pratellis fratris mei”[1229]. Her connection with the Warenne family is indicated by the undated charter under which her daughter “Haelisia comitissa Augy quondam uxor Radulfi de Ysondun comitis Augy” donated property to Roche Abbey, witnessed by “domino Willielmo comite Warennæ avunculo meo…”[1230]. Because Mathilde had three children by her first husband who died in [1172], she could not have been the daughter of Hamelin by his wife Isabelle de Warenne. There are therefore two possibilities: either she was Hamelin’s daughter by an otherwise unrecorded earlier marriage or she was the daughter of Isabelle de Warenne by her first marriage. The latter possibility is unlikely as any daughter of Guillaume de Blois Comte de Boulogne would have been Ctss de Boulogne instead of Guillaume’s sister. In any case, the chronology would be tight for Mathilde to have been Isabelle’s daughter. Until more information comes to light, it is supposed that Mathilde was the daughter of Hamelin by an earlier marriage. Thomas Stapleton, in his "Observations on the Great Rolls of the Exchequer of Normandy", records that "Osbert de Préaux" donated tithes from harvest in the parish of Bois l’Evêque to the monks of Holy Trinity of Mont-de-Rouen, for his own soul “those of his parents and of the parents of his wife Matildis”, undated, and that his wife and “their sons Simon and John” granted the tythe to the monks in perpetuity, but he does not cite the source reference[1231]. The primary source which confirms her third marriage has not yet been identified. The wording of the charter of her son Pierre, dated to [Jun 1200], suggests that his mother might have died before that date: “Petrus de Pratell” donated annual revenue to Notre-Dame de Beaulieu, for the salvation of “mee et patris mei et matris mee et fratrum meorum...Simonis et Rogeri, Iohannis et Engerranni”[1232]. If this charter is correctly dated, at least two of the donor’s brothers were alive at that time, while his father was certainly deceased. The question then is determining the significance, if any, between his parents not being named in the document while his brothers are named. One possibility is that the unnamed individuals (and therefore including the donor’s mother) were deceased, but the named brothers were living. It should be emphasised that this observation is speculative.
"m firstly ([1163/67]) OSBERT de Préaux, son of --- (-before 1172).
"m secondly HENRI [II] Comte d'Eu Lord of Hastings, son of JEAN [I] Comte d'Eu & his wife Alice d'Aubigny of Arundel (-16/17 Jul [1190/91]).
"m thirdly HENRY de Stuteville Lord of Eckington co Derby, Seigneur de Valmont et de Rames (-before 1236).]"
Med Lands cites:
[1229] Rotuli Scaccarii Normanniæ, Vol. II, p. ccxxxi, charter quoted but no source reference.
[1230] Dugdale Monasticon V, Roche Abbey, Yorkshire XII, p. 505.
[1231] Rotuli Scaccarii Normanniæ, Vol. II, p. ccxxxi.
[1232] Vincent (2013), Appendix of Charters, 7, p. 115.6
[1230] Dugdale Monasticon V, Roche Abbey, Yorkshire XII, p. 505.
[1231] Rotuli Scaccarii Normanniæ, Vol. II, p. ccxxxi.
[1232] Vincent (2013), Appendix of Charters, 7, p. 115.6
; Per Racines et Histoire (Anjou): “Mahaut de Warenne ° ~1162/65 + ~13/12/1228
ép. 1) Henri, comte d’Eu, Lord of Hastings + 1190/91
ép. 2) Henri d’Estouteville, seigneur d’Estouteville Rames et Valmont, baron de Cleuville, Lord of Eckington, chevalier banneret + 05/04/1232 ”.4
; Per Weis: “Maud de Warenne, d. bef. 13 Dec. 1228; m. (1) Henry (139-27), Count d'Eu, Lord of Hastings, d. 11 Mar. 1183; m. (2) Henry de Stouteville, d. 1232/1236, Lord of Eckingtonn, Seigneur de Valmont, son of Robert de Stouteville and Leonia, of salisbury, Dame of Rames. (CP V:158-160, VII (1):500; ES XIII/103, Gens. 25-27; ES.2/355).”.5
; Per Genealogy.EU (Anjou 2): “F4. Mathilde, *ca 1162, +by 13.12.1228; 1m: Cte Henri d'Eu (+1190/91); 2m: Henri d'Estouteville, Lord of Eckington, sn de Valmont et de Rames (+before 1236)”.3
; Per Racines et Histoire (Estouteville): “Henri 1er d’Estouteville ° ~1170 + 05/04/1232 chevalier banneret, seigneur d’Estouteville et de Valmont, baron de Cleuville, croisé (1193) combattant à Bouvines (1214) (cité à Rouen 1205 ; fait serment de fidélité au roi Philippe II «Auguste» qui lui restitue en 1218 Rames, un fief maternel ; donations à Valmont 1212)
ép. Mathilde (Mahaut) d’Eu ° ~1170 + avant 1212 (fille de Jean 1er, comte d’Eu et d’Alice d’Aubigny of Arundel) (certaines sources dont Europaïsche Stammtaffeln lui attribuent une seconde union avec Isabelle de Châteaudun entre 1213 & 1217) ”.26
; Per Med Lands:
"HENRY de Stuteville . The Red Book of the Exchequer refers to "Henricus de Stoteville, xv l de feodo quod est inter ipsum et Hubertum filium Radulfi" in Nottinghamshire, Derbyshire in [1186/87][897]. Lord of Eckington co Derby, Seigneur de Valmont et de Rames. His parentage has not yet been identified.
"m (after Jul [1190/91]) as her third husband, MATHILDE, widow firstly of OSBERT de Préaux and secondly of HENRI [II] Comte d'Eu Lord of Hastings, daughter of [HAMELIN d'Anjou Earl of Surrey & his first wife ---] (-before 13 Dec 1228). Her first and second marriages are indicated by the charter dated Mar 1233 under which [her daughter by her second marriage] "Ælicia comitissa Augi in viduitate" granted revenue from "molendino de Duno" to “in matrimonium Ælidæ filiæ Petri de Pratellis fratris mei”[898]. Her connection with the Warenne family is indicated by the undated charter under which her daughter “Haelisia comitissa Augy quondam uxor Radulfi de Ysondun comitis Augy” donated property to Roche Abbey, witnessed by “domino Willielmo comite Warennæ avunculo meo…”[899]. Because Mathilde had three children by her first husband who died in [1172], she could not have been the daughter of Hamelin by his wife Isabelle de Warenne. There are therefore two possibilities: either she was Hamelin’s daughter by an otherwise unrecorded earlier marriage or she was the daughter of Isabelle de Warenne by her first marriage. The latter possibility is unlikely as any daughter of Guillaume de Blois Comte de Boulogne would have been Ctss de Boulogne instead of Guillaume’s sister. In any case, the chronology would be tight for Mathilde to have been Isabelle’s daughter. Until more information comes to light, it is supposed that Mathilde was the daughter of Hamelin by an earlier marriage. Thomas Stapleton, in his "Observations on the Great Rolls of the Exchequer of Normandy", records that "Osbert de Préaux" donated tithes from harvest in the parish of Bois l’Evêque to the monks of Holy Trinity of Mont-de-Rouen, for his own soul “those of his parents and of the parents of his wife Matildis”, undated, and that his wife and “their sons Simon and John” granted the the to the monks in perpetuity, but he does not cite the source reference[900]. The primary source which confirms her third marriage has not yet been identified. The wording of the charter of her son Pierre, dated to [Jun 1200], suggests that his mother might have died before that date: “Petrus de Pratell” donated annual revenue to Notre-Dame de Beaulieu, for the salvation of “mee et patris mei et matris mee et fratrum meorum...Simonis et Rogeri, Iohannis et Engerranni”[901]. If this charter is correctly dated, at least two of the donor’s brothers were alive at that time, while his father was certainly deceased. The question then is determining the significance, if any, between his parents not being named in the document while his brothers are named. One possibility is that the unnamed individuals (and therefore including the donor’s mother) were deceased, but the named brothers were living. It should be emphasised that this observation is speculative."
Med Lands cites:
[897] Red Book Exchequer, Part I, Knights fees, p. 64.
[898] Rotuli Scaccarii Normanniæ, Vol. II, p. ccxxxi, charter quoted but no source reference.
[899] Dugdale Monasticon V, Roche Abbey, Yorkshire XII, p. 505.
[900] Rotuli Scaccarii Normanniæ, Vol. II, p. ccxxxi.
[901] Vincent (2013), Appendix of Charters, 7, p. 115.19
[898] Rotuli Scaccarii Normanniæ, Vol. II, p. ccxxxi, charter quoted but no source reference.
[899] Dugdale Monasticon V, Roche Abbey, Yorkshire XII, p. 505.
[900] Rotuli Scaccarii Normanniæ, Vol. II, p. ccxxxi.
[901] Vincent (2013), Appendix of Charters, 7, p. 115.19
Family 1 | Henri II d'Eu Count d'Eu, Lord of Hastings d. 11 Mar 1183 |
Child |
Family 2 | Henri I d'Estouteville Lord of Eckington, seigneur d'Estouteville et de Valmont, baron de Cleuville b. c 1170, d. 5 Apr 1232 |
Child |
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- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hameline: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00015369&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
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Isabel de Warenne 4th Countess of Surrey1,2,3,4,5,6
F, #4964, b. 1137, d. 12 July 1203
Father | William III de Warenne 3rd Earl of Surrey and Warenne2,7,8,9,3,6 b. c 1119, d. 19 Jan 1149 |
Mother | Ela Talvas (?) de Ponthieu2,4,10,9,3,6 b. c 1110, d. 10 Oct 1174 |
Reference | GAV22 EDV22 |
Last Edited | 9 Oct 2020 |
Isabel de Warenne 4th Countess of Surrey was born in 1137 at co. Surrey, England.11,3 She married William/Guillaume II de Blois Comte de Boulogne et de Mortain, Earl of Warenne and Surrey, Lord of Pevensey and Norwich, son of Stephen (Etienne) (?) de Blois, King of England and Mathilde I (?) comtesse de Boulogne ed de Lens, in 1149
;
Her 1st husband.5,1,12,13,14,2,4,11,15,6,16,17 Isabel de Warenne 4th Countess of Surrey married Hamelin (?) d'Anjou, vicomte de Touraine, 1st Earl of Surrey, 1st Earl Warenne, son of Geoffroi V "Le Bel" Plantagenet (?) Cte d'Anjou et du Maine, Touraine, Duc de Normandie and Unknown (?), circa April 1164 at E. Surrey, England,
;
Her 2nd husband.18,1,2,19,20,4,11,21,3,6
Isabel de Warenne 4th Countess of Surrey died on 12 July 1203 at Lewes, East Sussex, England; Genealogy EU says d. 12 July 1199; Boyer says d. 12 July 1203; Richardson says d. "possibly 12 July 1199"; Genealogics, Med Lands and Ravilious says d. 12 Jul 1203.1,14,2,22,3,11,15,6
Isabel de Warenne 4th Countess of Surrey was buried after 12 July 1203 at Lewes Priory, Lewes, Lewes District, East Sussex, England; From Find A Grave:
BIRTH 1136, England
DEATH 13 Jul 1199 (aged 62–63), East Sussex, England
English Royalty. Born the only child of William III de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey and Ela Talvas. At about age 14 she married William de Blois, 4th Earl of Surrey, the son of King Stephan of England. With his death some ten years later, she married for a second time to Hamelin d'Anjou, an illegitimate half brother of King Henry II, he would adopt both her name and title, and their descendants all bore the name de Warenne. The couple had at least five children including their eldest son, William, the future 6th Earl of Surrey. She died at about age 63 and was interred at the Chapter House at Lewes Priory, in Sussex. Bio by: Iola
Family Members
Parents
William de Warenne 1118–1148
Ela Talvas FitzWalter 1118–1174
Spouses
William I Count of Boulogne 1137–1159
Hamelin De Warenne 1135–1202
Half Siblings
William Fitzpatrick 1154–1196
Children
Adela De Warenne
Maud de Warenne 1160–1207
William De Warenne 1167–1240
BURIAL Lewes Priory, Lewes, Lewes District, East Sussex, England
Created by: Bradley Moody
Added: 29 Aug 2009
Find a Grave Memorial 41288525.1,3,23
; Per Med Lands:
"HAMELIN d'Anjou, illegitimate son of GEOFFROI V “le Bel/Plantagenet” Comte d’Anjou & his mistress --- ([1130]-7 May 1202, bur Chapter House, Lewes). Benedict of Peterborough names "Hamelinus frater regis Henrici comes Warennæ" among those present at the coronation of King Richard I in 1189[1219]. Maybe Vicomte de Touraine. Earl of Surrey 1164 by right of his wife. "Hamelinus comes Guarennie" confirmed donations to Saint-Victor-en-Caux made by "Guillelmus de Guarenna et comes Guillelmus filius eius", for the soul of "uxoris mee Ysabel", by undated charter, witnessed by "Guillelmum de Guarenna filium meum…"[1220]. An undated charter of ”Johannes comes Warennæ” confirmed earlier donations to Thetford Priory by “Hamelinus comes Warenniæ” with the consent of “Isabellæ comitissæ Warenniæ uxoris meæ et Willielmi de Warennia filii et hæredis mei”, for the souls of “Henrici regis fratris mei et Gaufridi comitis Andegaviæ patris mei”, witnessed by “Willilemus de Warennia filius Reginaldi de Warennia…”[1221]. “Hamelinus comes de Warenna” donated property to Slevesholm Priory, with the consent of “Ysabellæ comitissæ uxoris meæ et Willielmi filii nostri”, by undated charter[1222]. “Hamelinus comes de Warenna et Hysabella comitissa mea” donated property to St Mary Overey Priory, Southwark, for the souls of “Willielmi primi, secundi et tertii, et…Gundredæ comitissæ et Hisabellæ comitissæ”, by undated charter[1223]. Advocate of the abbey of Saint-Bertin: "Hamelin…comes de Waringe et ecclesie beati Bertini advocatus" donated land "in parochia de Rokesthorn" to Saint-Bertin, for "uxoris mee filiique mei Willelmi", by charter dated to [1182][1224].
"[m firstly ---. This first marriage is indicated by the chronology of Hamelin’s supposed daughter Mathilde, who had three children by her first husband who died in [1172] and so could not have been Hamelin’s daughter by his wife Isabelle de Warenne.]
"m [secondly] ([Apr] 1164) as her second husband, ISABELLE de Warenne, widow of GUILLAUME de Blois Comte de Boulogne, daughter & heiress of WILLIAM [III] de Warenne Earl of Surrey & his wife Ela de Ponthieu (-[12 Jul 1203], bur Chapter House, Lewes). Robert of Torigny records the marriage in 1164 of "Hamelinus naturalis frater regis Henrici" and "comitissam de Guarenna, relictam Willelmi comitis Moritoni filii Stephani regis, …filia tercii Willermi comitis de Guarenna"[1225]. "Hamelinus comes Guarennie" confirmed donations to Saint-Victor-en-Caux made by "Guillelmus de Guarenna et comes Guillelmus filius eius", for the soul of "uxoris mee Ysabel", by undated charter, witnessed by "Guillelmum de Guarenna filium meum…"[1226]. “Hamelinus comes de Warenna” donated property to Slevesholm Priory, with the consent of “Ysabellæ comitissæ uxoris meæ et Willielmi filii nostri”, by undated charter[1227]. An undated charter of ”Johannes comes Warennæ” confirmed earlier donations to Thetford Priory by “Hamelinus comes Warenniæ” with the consent of “Isabellæ comitissæ Warenniæ uxoris meæ et Willielmi de Warennia filii et hæredis mei”[1228]."
Med Lands cites:
; Per Genealogy.EU (Anjou 2): “E5. [illegitimate] Hamelin, 1st Earl of Surrey, 1st Earl Warenne, *1130, +7.5.1202, bur Chapter House, Lewes; m.IV.1164 Isabel de Varennes [Warenne], Css of Surrey (*1137, +13.7.1199)”.24
; Per Racines et Histoire (Anjou): “?) Hamelin d’Anjou bâtard d’Anjou ° 1130 + 07/05/1202 (Lewes, Sussex) vicomte de Touraine, 1° earl of Warenne, 5° earl of Surrey
ép. 04/1164 Isabelle de Warenne comtesse de Surrey ° ~1137 + dès 13/07/1199 (Lewes) (ou + après 1203 ?) (veuve de Guillaume de Champagne, earl of Norwich and Suffolk ° ~1134 + 11/10/1159)”.11
; Per Weis: “Hamelin (Plantagenet) 5th Early of Surrey (123-26), d. 7 May 1202; m. 1164 as her 2nd husb., Isabel de Warenne (83-26). (CP IV:670 chart II).”.25
; Per Ravilious: Hamelin de Anjou
Death: 7 May 1202[2]
Burial: Chapter house, Lewes[3]
Occ: Earl of Surrey de jure uxoris
illegitimate son
"became Earl of Surrey in connection with his marriage to Isabella, Countess of Surrey in 1164
"supporter of King Henry II (his half-brother) in the rebellion of 1173
"attended the coronations of King Richard (incl. 2nd coronation of 1194) and John, 27 May 1199[2]
Spouse: Isabel de Warenne [5]
Death: ca 12 Jul 1203[2]
Father: William de Warenne, Earl of Surrey (ca1119-1147)
Mother: Alice of Ponthieu (-1174)
Marr: abt Apr 1164[2]
Children: William, Earl of Surrey (-1240)
Reference: Genealogics cites:
; Per Genealogics:
“Isabel was born about 1137, the only surviving heir of William de Warenne, 3rd earl of Surrey, and Ela de Ponthieu. She was the great-granddaughter of the first Norman earl, William de Warenne, 1st earl of Surrey, 1st Earl of Warenne, and his Flemish wife Gertrud.
“When her father died in the Holy Land in 1148 Isabel inherited the earldom of Surrey and was married to William II de Blois, count of Boulogne, the younger son of King Stephen, who became earl in her right. The marriage occurred at a critical moment in The Anarchy as part of the king's attempt to control the de Warenne lands. The couple did not have any children and, after William's death in 1159, Guillaume d'Anjou, a younger son of Geoffrey V, comte d'Anjou et Maine, duke of Normandy, and Matilda of Normandy, sought her hand in 1162/3, but Thomas Becket refused a dispensation from affinity on the grounds of consanguinity. However in April 1164 Isabel was able to marry Guillaume's half-brother Hameline, vicomte de Touraine, the illegitimate son of Geoffrey V, comte d'Anjou et Maine, duke of Normandy, and half-brother of King Henry II. Hameline became _jure uxoris_ earl of Surrey. They had six children of whom a son William and three daughters would have progeny.
“Isabel died on 12 July 1203. She was buried at the Chapter House of the Priory of St. Pancras in Lewes. It had been founded about 1081 by her great grandfather William de Warenne, 1st earl of Surrey, 1st earl of Warenne, and was the first Cluniac house in England and had one of the largest monastic churches in the country.”.3
; This is the same person as ”Isabel de Warenne, Countess of Surrey” at Wikipedia.26 GAV-22 EDV-22 GKJ-23.
; Per Genealogy.EU (de Warenne): “D1. Isabel, Css of Surrey, *1137, +13.7.1199 or btw.IV-12.7.1203, bur Chapter House, Lewes; 1m: Guillaume de Blois, 4th Earl of Surrey; 2m: IV.1164 Hamelin Plantagenet (*1130 +7.5.1202)”.2
; Per Med Lands:
"ISABELLE de Warenne (-[12 Jul 1203], bur Chapter House, Lewes). She succeeded her father in 1148 as Ctss of Surrey, suo iure. Robert of Torigny records that "filiam tercii Guillermi de Warenna" married "Guillermus filius Stephani regis"[1166]. Robert of Torigny records the marriage in 1164 of "Hamelinus naturalis frater regis Henrici" and "comitissam de Guarenna, relictam Willelmi comitis Moritoni filii Stephani regis, …filia tercii Willermi comitis de Guarenna"[1167]. "Hamelinus comes Guarennie" confirmed donations to Saint-Victor-en-Caux made by "Guillelmus de Guarenna et comes Guillelmus filius eius", for the soul of "uxoris mee Ysabel", by undated charter, witnessed by "Guillelmum de Guarenna filium meum…"[1168].
"m firstly (before 6 Nov 1153, maybe before [1148/49]) WILLIAM de Blois, son of STEPHEN King of England & his wife Mathilde Ctss de Boulogne ([1132/37]-11 Oct 1159, bur hospital of Montmorillon, Poitou). Earl of Warenne and Surrey, Lord of Pevensey and Norwich [1148/49], by right of his wife[1169]. He succeeded his brother in 1153 as Comte de Boulogne. He was disinherited from the throne of England by his father in Nov 1153. He succeeded his father in 1154 as Comte de Mortain.
"m secondly ([Apr] 1164) [as his second wife,] HAMELIN d’Anjou, illegitimate son of GEOFFROY V "le Bel/Plantagenet" Comte d’Anjou & his mistress --- (1130-7 May 1202, bur Chapter House, Lewes)."
Med Lands cites:
; Per Weis: “Isabel de Warenne, Countess of Surrey, sole dau. and j., d. 14 July 1199, m. (1) Wiliam of Blois, d.s.p. 1159, ur. son of Stephen of Blois (169-25), King of England; m. (2) 1163 Hamelin (Plantagenet) 5th Early of Surrey (123-26), d. 7 May 1202., natural sone of Geoffrey V (Plantagenet), Count of Anjou (118-25, 123-25). (CP IV:670; ES III.2/355).”.5
; Per Racines et Histoire (Blois): “Guillaume (William) de Blois + 11/10/1159 comte de Boulogne et de Mortain, earl of Warenne and Surrey, Lord of Pevensey and Norwich
ép. avant 06/11/1153 Isabelle de Warenne + 12/07/1199 ”.15
; Per Med Lands:
"WILLIAM de Blois ([1132/37]-11 Oct 1159, bur hospital of Montmorillon, Poitou). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Eustacium et Guilelmum" as the two sons of "rex Anglorum Stefanus"[347]. His parentage is recorded by Matthew Paris[348]. Earl of Warenne and Surrey, Lord of Pevensey and Norwich [1148/49], de iure uxoris[349]. He succeeded his brother in 1153 as GUILLAUME Comte de Boulogne. He was disinherited from the throne of England by his father in Nov 1153 under the treaty confirming the succession of Henry Plantagenet, although under its terms he was allowed to hold all lands which his father had held before becoming king, including the counties of Mortain and Boulogne, and the honors of Eye and Lancaster[350]. He succeeded his father in 1154 as Comte de Mortain. He surrendered Pevensey, Norwich and other strongholds in England and Normandy to King Henry II in 1157. He was knighted by Henry II at Carlisle in 1158[351]. Robert of Torigny records that "Guillelmus comes Moritonii" died "1159 mense Octobris" while returning from serving in the Toulouse campaign, that he died without children and that King Henry II retained his county[352]. Ralph de Diceto´s Ymagines Historiarum record in 1159 that “Gulielmus comes Boloniæ filius regis Stephani” died “in reditu Tolosæ”[353].
"m (before 6 Nov 1153, maybe before [1148/49]) as her first husband, ISABELLE de Warenne, daughter & heiress of WILLIAM [III] de Warenne Earl of Surrey & his wife Ela de Ponthieu (-[12 Jul 1203], bur Chapter House, Lewes). Robert of Torigny records that "filiam tercii Guillermi de Warenna" married "Guillermus filius Stephani regis"[354]. Robert of Torigny records the marriage in 1164 of "Hamelinus naturalis frater regis Henrici" and "comitissam de Guarenna, relictam Willelmi comitis Moritoni filii Stephani regis, …filia tercii Willermi comitis de Guarenna"[355]. The primary source which confirms her name has not yet been identified. She married secondly ([Apr] 1164) [as his second wife,] Hamelin d’Anjou, illegitimate son of Geoffroy V Comte d’Anjou."
Med Lands cites:
; Per Genealogy.EU (Blois 1): “F3. William=Guillaume de Blois, Cte de Boulogne et de Mortain, Earl of Warenne and Surrey, Lord of Pevensey and Norwich, +11.10.1159; m.before 6.11.1153 Isabelle de Warenne (+12.7.1199)”.27
;
Her 1st husband.5,1,12,13,14,2,4,11,15,6,16,17 Isabel de Warenne 4th Countess of Surrey married Hamelin (?) d'Anjou, vicomte de Touraine, 1st Earl of Surrey, 1st Earl Warenne, son of Geoffroi V "Le Bel" Plantagenet (?) Cte d'Anjou et du Maine, Touraine, Duc de Normandie and Unknown (?), circa April 1164 at E. Surrey, England,
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Her 2nd husband.18,1,2,19,20,4,11,21,3,6
Isabel de Warenne 4th Countess of Surrey died on 12 July 1203 at Lewes, East Sussex, England; Genealogy EU says d. 12 July 1199; Boyer says d. 12 July 1203; Richardson says d. "possibly 12 July 1199"; Genealogics, Med Lands and Ravilious says d. 12 Jul 1203.1,14,2,22,3,11,15,6
Isabel de Warenne 4th Countess of Surrey was buried after 12 July 1203 at Lewes Priory, Lewes, Lewes District, East Sussex, England; From Find A Grave:
BIRTH 1136, England
DEATH 13 Jul 1199 (aged 62–63), East Sussex, England
English Royalty. Born the only child of William III de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey and Ela Talvas. At about age 14 she married William de Blois, 4th Earl of Surrey, the son of King Stephan of England. With his death some ten years later, she married for a second time to Hamelin d'Anjou, an illegitimate half brother of King Henry II, he would adopt both her name and title, and their descendants all bore the name de Warenne. The couple had at least five children including their eldest son, William, the future 6th Earl of Surrey. She died at about age 63 and was interred at the Chapter House at Lewes Priory, in Sussex. Bio by: Iola
Family Members
Parents
William de Warenne 1118–1148
Ela Talvas FitzWalter 1118–1174
Spouses
William I Count of Boulogne 1137–1159
Hamelin De Warenne 1135–1202
Half Siblings
William Fitzpatrick 1154–1196
Children
Adela De Warenne
Maud de Warenne 1160–1207
William De Warenne 1167–1240
BURIAL Lewes Priory, Lewes, Lewes District, East Sussex, England
Created by: Bradley Moody
Added: 29 Aug 2009
Find a Grave Memorial 41288525.1,3,23
; Per Med Lands:
"HAMELIN d'Anjou, illegitimate son of GEOFFROI V “le Bel/Plantagenet” Comte d’Anjou & his mistress --- ([1130]-7 May 1202, bur Chapter House, Lewes). Benedict of Peterborough names "Hamelinus frater regis Henrici comes Warennæ" among those present at the coronation of King Richard I in 1189[1219]. Maybe Vicomte de Touraine. Earl of Surrey 1164 by right of his wife. "Hamelinus comes Guarennie" confirmed donations to Saint-Victor-en-Caux made by "Guillelmus de Guarenna et comes Guillelmus filius eius", for the soul of "uxoris mee Ysabel", by undated charter, witnessed by "Guillelmum de Guarenna filium meum…"[1220]. An undated charter of ”Johannes comes Warennæ” confirmed earlier donations to Thetford Priory by “Hamelinus comes Warenniæ” with the consent of “Isabellæ comitissæ Warenniæ uxoris meæ et Willielmi de Warennia filii et hæredis mei”, for the souls of “Henrici regis fratris mei et Gaufridi comitis Andegaviæ patris mei”, witnessed by “Willilemus de Warennia filius Reginaldi de Warennia…”[1221]. “Hamelinus comes de Warenna” donated property to Slevesholm Priory, with the consent of “Ysabellæ comitissæ uxoris meæ et Willielmi filii nostri”, by undated charter[1222]. “Hamelinus comes de Warenna et Hysabella comitissa mea” donated property to St Mary Overey Priory, Southwark, for the souls of “Willielmi primi, secundi et tertii, et…Gundredæ comitissæ et Hisabellæ comitissæ”, by undated charter[1223]. Advocate of the abbey of Saint-Bertin: "Hamelin…comes de Waringe et ecclesie beati Bertini advocatus" donated land "in parochia de Rokesthorn" to Saint-Bertin, for "uxoris mee filiique mei Willelmi", by charter dated to [1182][1224].
"[m firstly ---. This first marriage is indicated by the chronology of Hamelin’s supposed daughter Mathilde, who had three children by her first husband who died in [1172] and so could not have been Hamelin’s daughter by his wife Isabelle de Warenne.]
"m [secondly] ([Apr] 1164) as her second husband, ISABELLE de Warenne, widow of GUILLAUME de Blois Comte de Boulogne, daughter & heiress of WILLIAM [III] de Warenne Earl of Surrey & his wife Ela de Ponthieu (-[12 Jul 1203], bur Chapter House, Lewes). Robert of Torigny records the marriage in 1164 of "Hamelinus naturalis frater regis Henrici" and "comitissam de Guarenna, relictam Willelmi comitis Moritoni filii Stephani regis, …filia tercii Willermi comitis de Guarenna"[1225]. "Hamelinus comes Guarennie" confirmed donations to Saint-Victor-en-Caux made by "Guillelmus de Guarenna et comes Guillelmus filius eius", for the soul of "uxoris mee Ysabel", by undated charter, witnessed by "Guillelmum de Guarenna filium meum…"[1226]. “Hamelinus comes de Warenna” donated property to Slevesholm Priory, with the consent of “Ysabellæ comitissæ uxoris meæ et Willielmi filii nostri”, by undated charter[1227]. An undated charter of ”Johannes comes Warennæ” confirmed earlier donations to Thetford Priory by “Hamelinus comes Warenniæ” with the consent of “Isabellæ comitissæ Warenniæ uxoris meæ et Willielmi de Warennia filii et hæredis mei”[1228]."
Med Lands cites:
[1219] Benedict of Peterborough 2 1189, p. 80.
[1220] Caux Saint-Victor, IV, p. 385.
[1221] Dugdale Monasticon VI.2, Priory of Thetford, Norfolk, p. 729.
[1222] Dugdale Monasticon V, Slevesholm Priory, Norfolk, IV, p. 72.
[1223] Dugdale Monasticon VI, Southwark, St Mary Overey Priory, IX, p. 172.
[1224] Saint-Bertin (Grand Cartulaire), Tome I, 325, p. 144.
[1225] Robert de Torigny I, 1164, p. 350.
[1226] Caux Saint-Victor, IV, p. 385.
[1227] Dugdale Monasticon V, Slevesholm Priory, Norfolk, IV, p. 72.
[1228] Dugdale Monasticon VI.2, Priory of Thetford, Norfolk, p. 729.21
[1220] Caux Saint-Victor, IV, p. 385.
[1221] Dugdale Monasticon VI.2, Priory of Thetford, Norfolk, p. 729.
[1222] Dugdale Monasticon V, Slevesholm Priory, Norfolk, IV, p. 72.
[1223] Dugdale Monasticon VI, Southwark, St Mary Overey Priory, IX, p. 172.
[1224] Saint-Bertin (Grand Cartulaire), Tome I, 325, p. 144.
[1225] Robert de Torigny I, 1164, p. 350.
[1226] Caux Saint-Victor, IV, p. 385.
[1227] Dugdale Monasticon V, Slevesholm Priory, Norfolk, IV, p. 72.
[1228] Dugdale Monasticon VI.2, Priory of Thetford, Norfolk, p. 729.21
; Per Genealogy.EU (Anjou 2): “E5. [illegitimate] Hamelin, 1st Earl of Surrey, 1st Earl Warenne, *1130, +7.5.1202, bur Chapter House, Lewes; m.IV.1164 Isabel de Varennes [Warenne], Css of Surrey (*1137, +13.7.1199)”.24
; Per Racines et Histoire (Anjou): “?) Hamelin d’Anjou bâtard d’Anjou ° 1130 + 07/05/1202 (Lewes, Sussex) vicomte de Touraine, 1° earl of Warenne, 5° earl of Surrey
ép. 04/1164 Isabelle de Warenne comtesse de Surrey ° ~1137 + dès 13/07/1199 (Lewes) (ou + après 1203 ?) (veuve de Guillaume de Champagne, earl of Norwich and Suffolk ° ~1134 + 11/10/1159)”.11
; Per Weis: “Hamelin (Plantagenet) 5th Early of Surrey (123-26), d. 7 May 1202; m. 1164 as her 2nd husb., Isabel de Warenne (83-26). (CP IV:670 chart II).”.25
; Per Ravilious: Hamelin de Anjou
Death: 7 May 1202[2]
Burial: Chapter house, Lewes[3]
Occ: Earl of Surrey de jure uxoris
illegitimate son
"became Earl of Surrey in connection with his marriage to Isabella, Countess of Surrey in 1164
"supporter of King Henry II (his half-brother) in the rebellion of 1173
"attended the coronations of King Richard (incl. 2nd coronation of 1194) and John, 27 May 1199[2]
Spouse: Isabel de Warenne [5]
Death: ca 12 Jul 1203[2]
Father: William de Warenne, Earl of Surrey (ca1119-1147)
Mother: Alice of Ponthieu (-1174)
Marr: abt Apr 1164[2]
Children: William, Earl of Surrey (-1240)
Maud (->1211), m. (1) Henry de Hastings, count of Eu
Ela
Isabel, m. (1) Robert de Lascy, (2) Gilbert de L'Aigle
NN, mistress of King John (as John, count of Mortain)“.4
Ela
Isabel, m. (1) Robert de Lascy, (2) Gilbert de L'Aigle
NN, mistress of King John (as John, count of Mortain)“.4
Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. The Complete Peerage, 1936 , Doubleday, H.A. & Lord Howard de Walden. 12:497, 499.
2. Burke's Guide to the Royal Family, London, 1973 . 194.
3. A Genealogical History of the dormant, abeyant, forfeited and extinct peerages of the British Empire, London, 1866, Burke, Sir Bernard. 569.
4. The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald. 187.3
2. Burke's Guide to the Royal Family, London, 1973 . 194.
3. A Genealogical History of the dormant, abeyant, forfeited and extinct peerages of the British Empire, London, 1866, Burke, Sir Bernard. 569.
4. The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Edinburgh, 1977, Paget, Gerald. 187.3
; Per Genealogics:
“Isabel was born about 1137, the only surviving heir of William de Warenne, 3rd earl of Surrey, and Ela de Ponthieu. She was the great-granddaughter of the first Norman earl, William de Warenne, 1st earl of Surrey, 1st Earl of Warenne, and his Flemish wife Gertrud.
“When her father died in the Holy Land in 1148 Isabel inherited the earldom of Surrey and was married to William II de Blois, count of Boulogne, the younger son of King Stephen, who became earl in her right. The marriage occurred at a critical moment in The Anarchy as part of the king's attempt to control the de Warenne lands. The couple did not have any children and, after William's death in 1159, Guillaume d'Anjou, a younger son of Geoffrey V, comte d'Anjou et Maine, duke of Normandy, and Matilda of Normandy, sought her hand in 1162/3, but Thomas Becket refused a dispensation from affinity on the grounds of consanguinity. However in April 1164 Isabel was able to marry Guillaume's half-brother Hameline, vicomte de Touraine, the illegitimate son of Geoffrey V, comte d'Anjou et Maine, duke of Normandy, and half-brother of King Henry II. Hameline became _jure uxoris_ earl of Surrey. They had six children of whom a son William and three daughters would have progeny.
“Isabel died on 12 July 1203. She was buried at the Chapter House of the Priory of St. Pancras in Lewes. It had been founded about 1081 by her great grandfather William de Warenne, 1st earl of Surrey, 1st earl of Warenne, and was the first Cluniac house in England and had one of the largest monastic churches in the country.”.3
; This is the same person as ”Isabel de Warenne, Countess of Surrey” at Wikipedia.26 GAV-22 EDV-22 GKJ-23.
; Per Genealogy.EU (de Warenne): “D1. Isabel, Css of Surrey, *1137, +13.7.1199 or btw.IV-12.7.1203, bur Chapter House, Lewes; 1m: Guillaume de Blois, 4th Earl of Surrey; 2m: IV.1164 Hamelin Plantagenet (*1130 +7.5.1202)”.2
; Per Med Lands:
"ISABELLE de Warenne (-[12 Jul 1203], bur Chapter House, Lewes). She succeeded her father in 1148 as Ctss of Surrey, suo iure. Robert of Torigny records that "filiam tercii Guillermi de Warenna" married "Guillermus filius Stephani regis"[1166]. Robert of Torigny records the marriage in 1164 of "Hamelinus naturalis frater regis Henrici" and "comitissam de Guarenna, relictam Willelmi comitis Moritoni filii Stephani regis, …filia tercii Willermi comitis de Guarenna"[1167]. "Hamelinus comes Guarennie" confirmed donations to Saint-Victor-en-Caux made by "Guillelmus de Guarenna et comes Guillelmus filius eius", for the soul of "uxoris mee Ysabel", by undated charter, witnessed by "Guillelmum de Guarenna filium meum…"[1168].
"m firstly (before 6 Nov 1153, maybe before [1148/49]) WILLIAM de Blois, son of STEPHEN King of England & his wife Mathilde Ctss de Boulogne ([1132/37]-11 Oct 1159, bur hospital of Montmorillon, Poitou). Earl of Warenne and Surrey, Lord of Pevensey and Norwich [1148/49], by right of his wife[1169]. He succeeded his brother in 1153 as Comte de Boulogne. He was disinherited from the throne of England by his father in Nov 1153. He succeeded his father in 1154 as Comte de Mortain.
"m secondly ([Apr] 1164) [as his second wife,] HAMELIN d’Anjou, illegitimate son of GEOFFROY V "le Bel/Plantagenet" Comte d’Anjou & his mistress --- (1130-7 May 1202, bur Chapter House, Lewes)."
Med Lands cites:
[1166] Robert de Torigny I, 1156, pp. 305-06.
[1167] Robert de Torigny I, 1164, p. 350.
[1168] Caux Saint-Victor, IV, p. 385.
[1169] CP XII/1 497.6
[1167] Robert de Torigny I, 1164, p. 350.
[1168] Caux Saint-Victor, IV, p. 385.
[1169] CP XII/1 497.6
; Per Weis: “Isabel de Warenne, Countess of Surrey, sole dau. and j., d. 14 July 1199, m. (1) Wiliam of Blois, d.s.p. 1159, ur. son of Stephen of Blois (169-25), King of England; m. (2) 1163 Hamelin (Plantagenet) 5th Early of Surrey (123-26), d. 7 May 1202., natural sone of Geoffrey V (Plantagenet), Count of Anjou (118-25, 123-25). (CP IV:670; ES III.2/355).”.5
; Per Racines et Histoire (Blois): “Guillaume (William) de Blois + 11/10/1159 comte de Boulogne et de Mortain, earl of Warenne and Surrey, Lord of Pevensey and Norwich
ép. avant 06/11/1153 Isabelle de Warenne + 12/07/1199 ”.15
; Per Med Lands:
"WILLIAM de Blois ([1132/37]-11 Oct 1159, bur hospital of Montmorillon, Poitou). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Eustacium et Guilelmum" as the two sons of "rex Anglorum Stefanus"[347]. His parentage is recorded by Matthew Paris[348]. Earl of Warenne and Surrey, Lord of Pevensey and Norwich [1148/49], de iure uxoris[349]. He succeeded his brother in 1153 as GUILLAUME Comte de Boulogne. He was disinherited from the throne of England by his father in Nov 1153 under the treaty confirming the succession of Henry Plantagenet, although under its terms he was allowed to hold all lands which his father had held before becoming king, including the counties of Mortain and Boulogne, and the honors of Eye and Lancaster[350]. He succeeded his father in 1154 as Comte de Mortain. He surrendered Pevensey, Norwich and other strongholds in England and Normandy to King Henry II in 1157. He was knighted by Henry II at Carlisle in 1158[351]. Robert of Torigny records that "Guillelmus comes Moritonii" died "1159 mense Octobris" while returning from serving in the Toulouse campaign, that he died without children and that King Henry II retained his county[352]. Ralph de Diceto´s Ymagines Historiarum record in 1159 that “Gulielmus comes Boloniæ filius regis Stephani” died “in reditu Tolosæ”[353].
"m (before 6 Nov 1153, maybe before [1148/49]) as her first husband, ISABELLE de Warenne, daughter & heiress of WILLIAM [III] de Warenne Earl of Surrey & his wife Ela de Ponthieu (-[12 Jul 1203], bur Chapter House, Lewes). Robert of Torigny records that "filiam tercii Guillermi de Warenna" married "Guillermus filius Stephani regis"[354]. Robert of Torigny records the marriage in 1164 of "Hamelinus naturalis frater regis Henrici" and "comitissam de Guarenna, relictam Willelmi comitis Moritoni filii Stephani regis, …filia tercii Willermi comitis de Guarenna"[355]. The primary source which confirms her name has not yet been identified. She married secondly ([Apr] 1164) [as his second wife,] Hamelin d’Anjou, illegitimate son of Geoffroy V Comte d’Anjou."
Med Lands cites:
[347] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1154, MGH SS XXIII, p. 842.
[348] Matthew Paris, Vol. II, 1157, p. 214.
[349] CP XII/1 497.
[350] CP XII/1 498.
[351] CP XII/1 498.
[352] Robert de Torigny I, 1159, p. 326.
[353] Radulphus de Diceto, Ymagines Historiarum, col. 531.
[354] Robert de Torigny I, 1156, pp. 305-06.
[355] Robert de Torigny I, 1164, p. 350.17
[348] Matthew Paris, Vol. II, 1157, p. 214.
[349] CP XII/1 497.
[350] CP XII/1 498.
[351] CP XII/1 498.
[352] Robert de Torigny I, 1159, p. 326.
[353] Radulphus de Diceto, Ymagines Historiarum, col. 531.
[354] Robert de Torigny I, 1156, pp. 305-06.
[355] Robert de Torigny I, 1164, p. 350.17
; Per Genealogy.EU (Blois 1): “F3. William=Guillaume de Blois, Cte de Boulogne et de Mortain, Earl of Warenne and Surrey, Lord of Pevensey and Norwich, +11.10.1159; m.before 6.11.1153 Isabelle de Warenne (+12.7.1199)”.27
Family 1 | William/Guillaume II de Blois Comte de Boulogne et de Mortain, Earl of Warenne and Surrey, Lord of Pevensey and Norwich b. c 1134, d. 11 Oct 1159 |
Family 2 | Hamelin (?) d'Anjou, vicomte de Touraine, 1st Earl of Surrey, 1st Earl Warenne b. 1130, d. 7 May 1202 |
Children |
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Citations
- [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 260, de WARENNE 5. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Warenne page (de Warenne family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brit/warenne.html#IW3
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Isabel de Warenne: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00015370&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1704] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 17 Dec 2004 "A Plantagenet Descent: FitzWilliam of Woodhall to William Farrar"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/xCbd-kLQN30/m/PPe2A57bjJAJ) to e-mail address, 17 Dec 2004, https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/xCbd-kLQN30/m/PPe2A57bjJAJ. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 17 Dec 2004."
- [S2372] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 8th ed. w/ additions by Wm R. and Kaleen E. Beall (Baltimore, 1992: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 2004), Line 83-26, p. 88. Hereinafter cited as Weis [2004] "Ancestral Roots" 8th ed.
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL.htm#IsabelleWarennedied1203MWilliamBlois. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S1704] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 17 Dec 2004," e-mail to e-mail address, 17 Dec 2004.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, William de Warenne: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00015381&tree=LEO
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL.htm#WilliamWarenneSurreydied1148
- [S2372] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis [2004] "Ancestral Roots" 8th ed, p. 110, Line 108-26.
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Gâtinais et d’Anjou (& 1ers Plantagenêts, p. 7: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Anjou-Gatinais.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
- [S1361] Mike Ashley, The Mammoth Book of British Kings & Queens (New York, NY: Carroll & Graf Publishers, Inc., 1998), p. 504 (Chart 36). Hereinafter cited as Ashley (1998) - British Kings.
- [S1426] Jiri Louda (Tables) and Michael Maclagan (text), Lines of Succession: Heraldry of the Royal Families of Europe (New York, NY: Barnes & Noble Books, 2002), Table 2: England - Normans and early Plantagenets. Hereinafter cited as Louda & Maclagan [2002] Lines of Succession.
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Blois 1 page ("THE HOUSE OF CHAMPAGNE-BLOIS"): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/blois/blois1.html#B2T1
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Blois & Chartres (Blois-Champagne), p. 6: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Blois-Champagne.pdf
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, William II de Blois: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00015371&tree=LEO
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLAND,%20Kings%201066-1603.htm#Williamdied1159.
- [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, pp. 199-200, PLANTAGENET 7.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hameline: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00015369&tree=LEO
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Anjou 2 page (The House of Anjou): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/anjou/anjou2.html#dW
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL.htm#Hamelindied1202B
- [S1896] Douglas Richardson, "Richardson email 22 June 2005: "Extended Pedigree of Counts of Boulogne-sur-Mer"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/44eb7V2WEXc/m/5ixO37yx3noJ) to e-mail address, 22 June 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Richardson email 22 June 2005."
- [S2374] Find a Grave, online http://www.findagrave.com/, Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com: accessed 30 September 2020), memorial page for Isabella De Warenne (1136–13 Jul 1199), Find a Grave Memorial no. 41288525, citing Lewes Priory, Lewes, Lewes District, East Sussex, England; Maintained by Bradley Moody (contributor 47097169), at: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/41288525/isabella-de_warenne. Hereinafter cited as Find a Grave.
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Anjou 2 page (The House of Anjou): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/anjou/anjou2.html#Is
- [S2372] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis [2004] "Ancestral Roots" 8th ed, Line 123-26, p. 122.
- [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isabel_de_Warenne,_Countess_of_Surrey. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, The House of champagne-Blois: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/blois/blois1.html#B2T1
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes de Gâtinais et d’Anjou (& 1ers Plantagenêts, p. 9: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Anjou-Gatinais.pdf
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- [S2261] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 1st edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 2004), Fitz William 3: p. 330. Hereinafter cited as Richardson PA.
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL.htm#IsabelM1RobertLacyM2GuilbertAigledie1231
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Anselm de Gournay1
M, #4965, b. 1239, d. WFT Est. 1220-1292
Father | Hugh VI de Gournay1 d. bt 1238 - 1239 |
Mother | Maud/Matilda (?)1 |
Last Edited | 14 Dec 2020 |
Anselm de Gournay died WFT Est. 1220-1292.2 He was born in 1239 at Beverston, Devonshire, England.3
.2
.2
Citations
- [S1637] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 13 May 2004: "Possible Identification of Juliana, wife of Robert de Chaucombe"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/fVGUjhV53I8/m/txhvX4TJk2oJ) to e-mail address, 13 May 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 13 May 2004."
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Hugh VI de Gournay1,2,3
M, #4966, d. between 1238 and 1239
Father | Hughes V de Gournay4,2,5,3 b. 1148, d. 25 Sep 1214 |
Mother | Julia (Juliane) de Dammartin2,5,3 b. 1165 |
Reference | GAV26 EDV23 |
Last Edited | 14 Dec 2020 |
Hugh VI de Gournay was born at Beverston, Devonshire, England.6 He married Maud/Matilda (?)
;
His 2nd wife.2,5,3,7 Hugh VI de Gournay married Lucy Malesmains, daughter of Sir Thomas Malesmains, after 13 March 1220
;
His 1st wife; her 2nd husband.5,3
Hugh VI de Gournay died between 1238 and 1239; Weis says d. 1238; Genealogics says d. 1238; Ravilious says d. 1238; Med Lands says d. 1239.5,2,8,3
Hugh VI de Gournay was buried at Langley Abbey, co. Norfolk, England.9
Hugh VI de Gournay lived at Mapledurham, Oxfordshire, England.10 GAV-26 EDV-23.
Reference: Genealogics cites: The Mapledurham Connection, tracing the first wife of Roger Clifford 1221-1285, The Genealogiests Magazine, Sept. 1990, Clifford, David J. H.2
; Per Ravilious:
"1.3a Hugh VI de Gournay*[4]
"Death: 1238[2]
"Burial: Langley Abbey, Norfolk[2]
"of Mapledurham, Oxon.[4] and Caister, Norfolk
"evidently joined the baronial cause against King John (his lands transferred to William de Cantelou, 1218); had restoration of same, 1222 (mandate to William de Cantelou from King Henry III, Westminster, 1 May 1222. Excerpta I:86[11])[2]
"stated by Dugdale to have married 'Lucy, the Daughter of Robert de Berkley' [Baronage, p. 430][3] - Noted in CP and elsewhere as actually being the widow of Robert de Berkeley[4],[12]
"had charters granted by King Henry III dated 19 March 1235 for a market and fair at Cantley, Norfolk: ' (Letter Close) Tues; gr 19 Mar 1235, by K Hen III to Hugh de Gurnay (CR, 1234–7, p. 60). To be held at the manor. Mandate to the sh of Norfolk to proclaim the market and cause it to be established.'[9]
"d. before 27 Aug 1239 - mandate to the Sheriff of Oxford concerning "the manor of Mapledurham which Matilda, who was the wife of 'Hug' de Gurnay' holds in dower..." [Excerpta I"328][11]
"he m. 1stly Lucy,
" 2ndly Matilda
"Spouse: Matilda[2]
Sources:
2. "The Early History of Mapledurham," Alfred Hands Cooke, M.A., Sc.D., Oxfordshire Record Society, Oxford: Oxfordshire Record Society, 1925, *orig. cite by Timothy Powys-Lybbe, tim@powys.org [tim@southfrm.demon.co.uk], p. 11 cited by T. Powys-Lybbe (re: Hugh V de Gournay).
4. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom.
9. "Gazetteer of Markets and Fairs to 1516," www.histparl.ac.uk/cmh/gaz/
11. Charles Roberts, ed., "Excerpta ex Rotulis Finium," The Commissioners of the Public Records of the Kingdom, Vol I (1216-1246), 1835, full title: Excerpta e Rotulis Finium in Turri Londinensi asservatis, Henrico Tertio Rege, A.D. 1216-1272.
12. John Carmi Parsons, "More Angevin Bastards," Sept 7, 1998, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com.“.6,9
; Per Med Lands:
"HUGUES [VI] de Gournay of Mapledurham, Oxfordshire (-1239, bur Langley Abbey, Norfolk). "Hug de Gurnay fil Hug de Gurnay" paid a fine for "feodis suis q sunt in manu dñi Reg", in Norfolk and Suffolk, dated 22 Apr 1216[544].
"m firstly (after May 1220) as her second husband, LUCY, widow of ROBERT de Berkeley, daughter of --- (-18 Jan 1234, bur Bristol St Augustine). Smyth records that "the second wife [of Lord Robert] was Lucy whom hee maryed not above two yeares before his death", that she married secondly "Hugh de Gurney sonne of Hugh", died 18 Jan 1234 and was buried at Bristol St Augustine, but the precise primary sources on which he bases his statements are not obvious from his citations[545]. The Testa de Nevill includes a list of landholdings in Gloucestershire, dated to [1226/28], which includes "Lucia que fuit uxor Roberti de Berkelay est maritata Hugoni de Gurney. Terra eius valet c.l"[546].
"m secondly as her first husband, MATHILDE, daughter of ---. She married secondly Roger de Clifford of Bridge Sollers, Herefordshire."
Med Lands cites:
;
His 2nd wife.2,5,3,7 Hugh VI de Gournay married Lucy Malesmains, daughter of Sir Thomas Malesmains, after 13 March 1220
;
His 1st wife; her 2nd husband.5,3
Hugh VI de Gournay died between 1238 and 1239; Weis says d. 1238; Genealogics says d. 1238; Ravilious says d. 1238; Med Lands says d. 1239.5,2,8,3
Hugh VI de Gournay was buried at Langley Abbey, co. Norfolk, England.9
Hugh VI de Gournay lived at Mapledurham, Oxfordshire, England.10 GAV-26 EDV-23.
Reference: Genealogics cites: The Mapledurham Connection, tracing the first wife of Roger Clifford 1221-1285, The Genealogiests Magazine, Sept. 1990, Clifford, David J. H.2
; Per Ravilious:
"1.3a Hugh VI de Gournay*[4]
"Death: 1238[2]
"Burial: Langley Abbey, Norfolk[2]
"of Mapledurham, Oxon.[4] and Caister, Norfolk
"evidently joined the baronial cause against King John (his lands transferred to William de Cantelou, 1218); had restoration of same, 1222 (mandate to William de Cantelou from King Henry III, Westminster, 1 May 1222. Excerpta I:86[11])[2]
"stated by Dugdale to have married 'Lucy, the Daughter of Robert de Berkley' [Baronage, p. 430][3] - Noted in CP and elsewhere as actually being the widow of Robert de Berkeley[4],[12]
"had charters granted by King Henry III dated 19 March 1235 for a market and fair at Cantley, Norfolk: ' (Letter Close) Tues; gr 19 Mar 1235, by K Hen III to Hugh de Gurnay (CR, 1234–7, p. 60). To be held at the manor. Mandate to the sh of Norfolk to proclaim the market and cause it to be established.'[9]
"d. before 27 Aug 1239 - mandate to the Sheriff of Oxford concerning "the manor of Mapledurham which Matilda, who was the wife of 'Hug' de Gurnay' holds in dower..." [Excerpta I"328][11]
"he m. 1stly Lucy,
" 2ndly Matilda
"Spouse: Matilda[2]
Sources:
2. "The Early History of Mapledurham," Alfred Hands Cooke, M.A., Sc.D., Oxfordshire Record Society, Oxford: Oxfordshire Record Society, 1925, *orig. cite by Timothy Powys-Lybbe, tim@powys.org [tim@southfrm.demon.co.uk], p. 11 cited by T. Powys-Lybbe (re: Hugh V de Gournay).
4. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom.
9. "Gazetteer of Markets and Fairs to 1516," www.histparl.ac.uk/cmh/gaz/
11. Charles Roberts, ed., "Excerpta ex Rotulis Finium," The Commissioners of the Public Records of the Kingdom, Vol I (1216-1246), 1835, full title: Excerpta e Rotulis Finium in Turri Londinensi asservatis, Henrico Tertio Rege, A.D. 1216-1272.
12. John Carmi Parsons, "More Angevin Bastards," Sept 7, 1998, GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com.“.6,9
; Per Med Lands:
"HUGUES [VI] de Gournay of Mapledurham, Oxfordshire (-1239, bur Langley Abbey, Norfolk). "Hug de Gurnay fil Hug de Gurnay" paid a fine for "feodis suis q sunt in manu dñi Reg", in Norfolk and Suffolk, dated 22 Apr 1216[544].
"m firstly (after May 1220) as her second husband, LUCY, widow of ROBERT de Berkeley, daughter of --- (-18 Jan 1234, bur Bristol St Augustine). Smyth records that "the second wife [of Lord Robert] was Lucy whom hee maryed not above two yeares before his death", that she married secondly "Hugh de Gurney sonne of Hugh", died 18 Jan 1234 and was buried at Bristol St Augustine, but the precise primary sources on which he bases his statements are not obvious from his citations[545]. The Testa de Nevill includes a list of landholdings in Gloucestershire, dated to [1226/28], which includes "Lucia que fuit uxor Roberti de Berkelay est maritata Hugoni de Gurney. Terra eius valet c.l"[546].
"m secondly as her first husband, MATHILDE, daughter of ---. She married secondly Roger de Clifford of Bridge Sollers, Herefordshire."
Med Lands cites:
[544] Rotuli de Oblatis et Finibus, 17/18 John, p. 596.
[545] Berkeleys Lives, Vol. I, p. 98.
[546] Testa de Nevill, Part I, p. 378.
[547] Inquisitions Post Mortem, Vol. II, Edward I, 772, p. 468.
[548] Paris Notre-Dame, Tome I, XIII, p. 428.3
[545] Berkeleys Lives, Vol. I, p. 98.
[546] Testa de Nevill, Part I, p. 378.
[547] Inquisitions Post Mortem, Vol. II, Edward I, 772, p. 468.
[548] Paris Notre-Dame, Tome I, XIII, p. 428.3
Family 1 | Lucy Malesmains d. 18 Jan 1234 |
Child |
|
Family 2 | Maud/Matilda (?) |
Child |
|
Citations
- [S2372] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 8th ed. w/ additions by Wm R. and Kaleen E. Beall (Baltimore, 1992: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 2004), :ine 257-31, p. 248.. Hereinafter cited as Weis [2004] "Ancestral Roots" 8th ed.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugues VI de Gournay: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00199029&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/normacre.htm#HuguesVIGournaydied1239. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugues V de Gournay: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00427310&tree=LEO
- [S1637] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 13 May 2004: "Possible Identification of Juliana, wife of Robert de Chaucombe"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/fVGUjhV53I8/m/txhvX4TJk2oJ) to e-mail address, 13 May 2004, https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/fVGUjhV53I8/m/txhvX4TJk2oJ. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 13 May 2004."
- [S616] Inc. Brøderbund Software, GEDCOM file imported on 26 Dec 1999 from World Family Tree Vol. 18, Ed. 1, Family #18-0770., CD-ROM (n.p.: Brøderbund Software, Inc., 1998). Hereinafter cited as WFT 18-0770.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Matilda: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028373&tree=LEO
- [S2372] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis [2004] "Ancestral Roots" 8th ed, Line 257-31, p. 248.
- [S1637] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 13 May 2004," e-mail to e-mail address, 13 May 2004.
- [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 257-31, p. 231. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7. - [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited & Extinct Peerages, p. 22. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.
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Hughes V de Gournay1
M, #4967, b. 1148, d. 25 September 1214
Father | Hugues IV de Gournay2 b. bt 1098 - 1100, d. 1180 |
Mother | Melicent/Melisende Marle de Coucy2 b. 1125 |
Reference | GAV23 EDV22 |
Last Edited | 14 Dec 2020 |
Hughes V de Gournay married Julia (Juliane) de Dammartin, daughter of AlbericAubrey II (?) Count of Dammartin and Matilda (Maud) de Clermont-en-Beauvais de Ponthieu & Dammartin.2,3,1
Hughes V de Gournay was born in 1148 at Caister, co. Norfolk, England.4,2,1
Hughes V de Gournay died on 25 September 1214 at Gournai, Normandy, France.4,2,1
GAV-23 EDV-22.
; 1 Hugh V de Gournay
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Birth: ca 1148[1]
Death: 25 Sep 1214[2]
Father: Hugh IV de Gournay (ca1094-ca1180)
Mother: Melisende de Coucy
of Mapledurham, Oxon., and Caister, Norfolk
assessed a fine of more than £119 1180 (Pipe Roll xxix p. 19[2])
received a grant of Wendover, Bucks. and Houghton, Beds. from King
Stephen.
Companion of Richard I on the Third Crusade; at the siege of Acre,
1190 (charter to the abbey of Bec confirmed by Richard I, 1190)
opted for England at the pacification of Normandy, 1204 and had
restoration of his lands in Norfolk and elsewhere by decree of King
John, 1206[2]
Sheriff of Bedfordshire and Buckinghamshire, 1214
resigned his lands to son Gerard, 1214[2]
Dugdale indicates he died in 1221 (6 Hen. 3),
'for then did the King direct his Precept to William de Cantilupe,
to restore unto Hugh his Son (Girard being dead, as it seems) all
the Lands of his Inheritance, then in his custody.'[3]
"In England, among other manors, Hugh V now held, beside
Mapledurham, Bledlowe in Bucks, some restored manors in Norfolk
(Caister, Cantley, and lands in Aylsham), also Houghton in Beds and
Waltham in Lincs, while in 1210 we find him paying a fine of 700
marks for Wendover.' [Cooke, p. 11[2]]
Spouse: Juliana de Dammartin[1]
Birth: ca 1165[1]
Father: Aubri II de Dammartin (-1200)
Mother: Maud of Clermont (->1200)
Children: Millicent (-1260)
Gerard (->1213)
Hugh VI (-1238)
Anselm
Juliana
SOURCES:
1. "Stevens/Southworth Medieval Database," James Allen Stevens,
Rootsweb, created 14 May 2000 [extracted 25 April 2001],
www.gendex.com/users/jast/D0026/G0000090.html.
2. "The Early History of Mapledurham," Alfred Hands Cooke, M.A.,
Sc.D., Oxfordshire Record Society, Oxford: Oxfordshire Record
Society, 1925, *orig. cite by Timothy Powys-Lybbe, tim@powys.org
[tim@southfrm.demon.co.uk], p. 11 cited by T. Powys-Lybbe (re:
Hugh V de Gournay).
3. William Dugdale, Norroy King of Arms, "The Baronage of England,"
Tho. Newcomb [reprint Georg Verlag, New York], London, 1675
[reprint New York, 1977].2 He was Crusader.1
Hughes V de Gournay was born in 1148 at Caister, co. Norfolk, England.4,2,1
Hughes V de Gournay died on 25 September 1214 at Gournai, Normandy, France.4,2,1
GAV-23 EDV-22.
; 1 Hugh V de Gournay
----------------------------------------
Birth: ca 1148[1]
Death: 25 Sep 1214[2]
Father: Hugh IV de Gournay (ca1094-ca1180)
Mother: Melisende de Coucy
of Mapledurham, Oxon., and Caister, Norfolk
assessed a fine of more than £119 1180 (Pipe Roll xxix p. 19[2])
received a grant of Wendover, Bucks. and Houghton, Beds. from King
Stephen.
Companion of Richard I on the Third Crusade; at the siege of Acre,
1190 (charter to the abbey of Bec confirmed by Richard I, 1190)
opted for England at the pacification of Normandy, 1204 and had
restoration of his lands in Norfolk and elsewhere by decree of King
John, 1206[2]
Sheriff of Bedfordshire and Buckinghamshire, 1214
resigned his lands to son Gerard, 1214[2]
Dugdale indicates he died in 1221 (6 Hen. 3),
'for then did the King direct his Precept to William de Cantilupe,
to restore unto Hugh his Son (Girard being dead, as it seems) all
the Lands of his Inheritance, then in his custody.'[3]
"In England, among other manors, Hugh V now held, beside
Mapledurham, Bledlowe in Bucks, some restored manors in Norfolk
(Caister, Cantley, and lands in Aylsham), also Houghton in Beds and
Waltham in Lincs, while in 1210 we find him paying a fine of 700
marks for Wendover.' [Cooke, p. 11[2]]
Spouse: Juliana de Dammartin[1]
Birth: ca 1165[1]
Father: Aubri II de Dammartin (-1200)
Mother: Maud of Clermont (->1200)
Children: Millicent (-1260)
Gerard (->1213)
Hugh VI (-1238)
Anselm
Juliana
SOURCES:
1. "Stevens/Southworth Medieval Database," James Allen Stevens,
Rootsweb, created 14 May 2000 [extracted 25 April 2001],
www.gendex.com/users/jast/D0026/G0000090.html.
2. "The Early History of Mapledurham," Alfred Hands Cooke, M.A.,
Sc.D., Oxfordshire Record Society, Oxford: Oxfordshire Record
Society, 1925, *orig. cite by Timothy Powys-Lybbe, tim@powys.org
[tim@southfrm.demon.co.uk], p. 11 cited by T. Powys-Lybbe (re:
Hugh V de Gournay).
3. William Dugdale, Norroy King of Arms, "The Baronage of England,"
Tho. Newcomb [reprint Georg Verlag, New York], London, 1675
[reprint New York, 1977].2 He was Crusader.1
Family | Julia (Juliane) de Dammartin b. 1165 |
Children |
|
Citations
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugues V de Gournay: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00427310&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1637] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 13 May 2004: "Possible Identification of Juliana, wife of Robert de Chaucombe"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/fVGUjhV53I8/m/txhvX4TJk2oJ) to e-mail address, 13 May 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 13 May 2004."
- [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 152-27, p. 134. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7. - [S616] Inc. Brøderbund Software, GEDCOM file imported on 26 Dec 1999 from World Family Tree Vol. 18, Ed. 1, Family #18-0770., CD-ROM (n.p.: Brøderbund Software, Inc., 1998). Hereinafter cited as WFT 18-0770.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugues VI de Gournay: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00199029&tree=LEO
- [S1637] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 13 May 2004," e-mail to e-mail address, 13 May 2004, https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/fVGUjhV53I8/m/txhvX4TJk2oJ
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/normacre.htm#HuguesVIGournaydied1239. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Melisende de Gournay: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00199028&tree=LEO
Julia (Juliane) de Dammartin1
F, #4968, b. 1165
Father | AlbericAubrey II (?) Count of Dammartin1,2 d. 19 Sep 1200 |
Mother | Matilda (Maud) de Clermont-en-Beauvais de Ponthieu & Dammartin1,3 b. 1138, d. a Oct 1200 |
Reference | GAV23 EDV22 |
Last Edited | 14 Dec 2020 |
Julia (Juliane) de Dammartin married Hughes V de Gournay, son of Hugues IV de Gournay and Melicent/Melisende Marle de Coucy.1,4,5
Julia (Juliane) de Dammartin was born in 1165 at Dammartin-En-Goele, Seine-Et-Marne, France.6,1
GAV-23 EDV-22.
.6
Julia (Juliane) de Dammartin was born in 1165 at Dammartin-En-Goele, Seine-Et-Marne, France.6,1
GAV-23 EDV-22.
.6
Family | Hughes V de Gournay b. 1148, d. 25 Sep 1214 |
Children |
|
Citations
- [S1637] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 13 May 2004: "Possible Identification of Juliana, wife of Robert de Chaucombe"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/fVGUjhV53I8/m/txhvX4TJk2oJ) to e-mail address, 13 May 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 13 May 2004."
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Aubri/Alberic II https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139902&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mahaut (Mabilie) de Clermont: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139903&tree=LEO
- [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 152-27, p. 134. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7. - [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugues V de Gournay: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00427310&tree=LEO
- [S616] Inc. Brøderbund Software, GEDCOM file imported on 26 Dec 1999 from World Family Tree Vol. 18, Ed. 1, Family #18-0770., CD-ROM (n.p.: Brøderbund Software, Inc., 1998). Hereinafter cited as WFT 18-0770.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugues VI de Gournay: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00199029&tree=LEO
- [S1637] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 13 May 2004," e-mail to e-mail address, 13 May 2004, https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/fVGUjhV53I8/m/txhvX4TJk2oJ
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/normacre.htm#HuguesVIGournaydied1239. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Melisende de Gournay: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00199028&tree=LEO
Hugues IV de Gournay1,2
M, #4969, b. between 1098 and 1100, d. 1180
Father | Gerard de Gournay of Caister Norfolk, Seigneur de Gournay-en-Bray b. 1060, d. c 1104 |
Mother | Edith/Aldgyth de Warenne3 b. c 1076 |
Reference | GAV23 EDV23 |
Last Edited | 2 May 2020 |
Hugues IV de Gournay married Melicent/Melisende Marle de Coucy, daughter of Sir Thomas I de Coucy Sire de Coucy et Marle, Comte d'Amiens and Melesinde de Crecy,
; her 2nd husband.2,4,1 Hugues IV de Gournay married Beatrix de Vermandois, daughter of Hugues I Magnus de Crepi (?) Duke of France and Burgundy, Count of Amiens, Chaumont, Valois, Vermandois etc. and Adélaïde/Aelis de Vermandois comtesse de Vermandois, Valois et Crépy).5
Hugues IV de Gournay was born between 1098 and 1100 at Caister, co. Norfolk, England; Med Lands says b. 1098/1100; Ravilious email [2004] says ab. ca 1094.6,7,8
Hugues IV de Gournay died in 1180 at Palestine.6
Hugues IV de Gournay died in 1180.5
GAV-23 EDV-23.
; her 2nd husband.2,4,1 Hugues IV de Gournay married Beatrix de Vermandois, daughter of Hugues I Magnus de Crepi (?) Duke of France and Burgundy, Count of Amiens, Chaumont, Valois, Vermandois etc. and Adélaïde/Aelis de Vermandois comtesse de Vermandois, Valois et Crépy).5
Hugues IV de Gournay was born between 1098 and 1100 at Caister, co. Norfolk, England; Med Lands says b. 1098/1100; Ravilious email [2004] says ab. ca 1094.6,7,8
Hugues IV de Gournay died in 1180 at Palestine.6
Hugues IV de Gournay died in 1180.5
GAV-23 EDV-23.
Family | Melicent/Melisende Marle de Coucy b. 1125 |
Child |
|
Citations
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugues de Gournay: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028250&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Coucy 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/coucy1.html
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/normacre.htm#GerardGournaydied1099. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, NN de Coucy: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028248&tree=LEO
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Capet 8 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/capet/capet8.html
- [S616] Inc. Brøderbund Software, GEDCOM file imported on 26 Dec 1999 from World Family Tree Vol. 18, Ed. 1, Family #18-0770., CD-ROM (n.p.: Brøderbund Software, Inc., 1998). Hereinafter cited as WFT 18-0770.
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/normacre.htm#HuguesIIGournay
- [S1637] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 13 May 2004: "Possible Identification of Juliana, wife of Robert de Chaucombe"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/fVGUjhV53I8/m/txhvX4TJk2oJ) to e-mail address, 13 May 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 13 May 2004."
Melicent/Melisende Marle de Coucy1,2
F, #4970, b. 1125
Father | Sir Thomas I de Coucy Sire de Coucy et Marle, Comte d'Amiens1,3 b. c 1073, d. bt 1129 - 1130 |
Mother | Melesinde de Crecy4,1 b. c 1080, d. a 1147 |
Reference | GAV24 EDV23 |
Last Edited | 17 May 2004 |
Melicent/Melisende Marle de Coucy married Hugues IV de Gournay, son of Gerard de Gournay of Caister Norfolk, Seigneur de Gournay-en-Bray and Edith/Aldgyth de Warenne,
; her 2nd husband.1,2,5 Melicent/Melisende Marle de Coucy married Adelelme (?)
; her 1st husband.2 Melicent/Melisende Marle de Coucy was born in 1125.6
GAV-24 EDV-23.
; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 80.2
.7
; her 2nd husband.1,2,5 Melicent/Melisende Marle de Coucy married Adelelme (?)
; her 1st husband.2 Melicent/Melisende Marle de Coucy was born in 1125.6
GAV-24 EDV-23.
; Leo van de Pas cites: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: VII 80.2
.7
Family 1 | Adelelme (?) |
Family 2 | Hugues IV de Gournay b. bt 1098 - 1100, d. 1180 |
Child |
|
Citations
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Coucy 1 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/french/coucy1.html
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, NN de Coucy: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028248&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Thomas de Marle: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028235&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Mélesinde de Crécy: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028236&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugues de Gournay: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028250&tree=LEO
- [S812] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bferris, Jr. William R. Ferris (unknown location), downloaded updated 4 Apr 2002, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bferris&id=I30505
- [S616] Inc. Brøderbund Software, GEDCOM file imported on 26 Dec 1999 from World Family Tree Vol. 18, Ed. 1, Family #18-0770., CD-ROM (n.p.: Brøderbund Software, Inc., 1998). Hereinafter cited as WFT 18-0770.
- [S1637] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 13 May 2004: "Possible Identification of Juliana, wife of Robert de Chaucombe"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/fVGUjhV53I8/m/txhvX4TJk2oJ) to e-mail address, 13 May 2004. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 13 May 2004."
Gerard de Gournay of Caister Norfolk, Seigneur de Gournay-en-Bray1,2
M, #4971, b. 1060, d. circa 1104
Father | Hugues III de Gournay Seigneur de Gournay3 d. 1093 |
Mother | Basille/Basilla Flaitel3 d. bt 16 Jan 1099 - 1100 |
Reference | GAV25 EDV24 |
Last Edited | 27 Apr 2020 |
Gerard de Gournay of Caister Norfolk, Seigneur de Gournay-en-Bray was born in 1060 at England.4 He married Edith/Aldgyth de Warenne, daughter of William I de Warenne 1st Earl of Surrey, 1st Earl of Warenne and Gundred/Gundrada (?), circa 1090
;
Her 1st husband; possibly his 2nd wife.5,1,6,7,8,2
Gerard de Gournay of Caister Norfolk, Seigneur de Gournay-en-Bray died circa 1104.1,2
He was Lord of Gournay-en-Bray at Gournay-en-Bray, France.9 GAV-25 EDV-24.
Reference: Genealogics cites: Burke's Commoners 4 vols: 1836-1838 , Burke, John. 1:126.2
; Per Med Lands:
"GERARD de Gournay (-Palestine after 1104). "Domino meo Hugone Gurnacensi et filio eius Girardo et uxore eius Basilia" consented to the donation by "Radulfus cognomine Havoth" to Jumièges by charter dated to [1040][478], although presumably the document is misdated. "Domino meo Hugone Gurnaiensi et filio eius Girardo et uxore eius Basilia" consented to a donation to Jumièges abbey by "Radulphus cognomina Havoth cum uxore mea" on his entering the abbey as a monk, by undated charter[479]. "…William de Gornai…Girard de Gornai…" witnessed the charter dated 1082 under which William I King of England donated property to the abbey of la Trinité de Caen[480]. “Odo comes et Stephanus filius eius”[481]. Orderic Vitalis records that “primus Normannorum Stephanus de Albamarla filius Odonis Campaniæ comitis” fortified “castellum suum super Aucium flumen” at the expense of William II King of England and placed there a garrison against “ducem” [Robert III Duke of Normandy] and that “Gornacensis Girardus” followed his example and delivered “Gornacum et Firmitatem et Goisleni Fontem” [Gournay, La Ferté-en-Brai, Gaillefontaine] to the king, dated to [1089/90][482]. Orderic Vitalis records that “comes Ebroicensis” requested Robert [III] Duke of Normandy to return “Bathventum et Nogionem, Vaceium et Craventionem, Scoceium [Bavent, near Troarn, Noyon-sur-Andelle, Gacé, Gravençon, Ecouché], aliosque fundos Radulfi patrui mei...Caput Asini” to him and grant “Pontem Sancti Petri” [Pont Saint-Pierre] to “nepoti...meo Guillelmo Bretoliensi”, which the duke agreed to, except “Scoceium” which was held by “Girardus de Gornaco...qui de eadem parentela prodierat, filius...Basiliæ Girardi Fleitelli filiæ”, dated to [1089][483]. He and his wife participated in the First Crusade but he died before the capture of Jerusalem[484]. Albert of Aix names "…Gerardus de Gorna…" among those who took part in the siege of Nikaia, dated to mid-1097 from the context[485]. Baudry names "Girardus de Gornaio" among those on the First Crusade in 1097[486]. Guillaume of Jumièges records that ”Giraldus” left for Jerusalem but died while away[487]. Henry II King of England confirmed the possessions of the abbey of Bec, including donations by "Hugonis de Gornaco et Girardi filii…Girardi de Gornaio et Basilie matris sue", by charter dated to [1181/89][488].
"[m firstly ---. As discussed below, one possibility for the parentage of Amicie, wife of Richard Talbot, is that she was the daughter of Gérard de Gournay by an earlier otherwise unrecorded marriage.]
"m [secondly] ([1084/92]) as her first husband, EDIVE [Edith] de Warenne, daughter of WILLIAM [I] de Warenne Earl of Surrey & his first wife Gundred --- ([1072/80]-after 1155). Guillaume of Jumièges records that ”Giraldus” left for Jerusalem “cum uxore sua Edithua sorore Willelmi comitis de Warenna”, who married secondly “Drogoni de Monceio”, by whom she had “unum filium...Drogonem”[489]. Her birth date is indicated bearing in mind that she had children by both her marriages. The date of her first marriage is estimated assuming that she was about 12 years old at the time. She married secondly Dreux [I] Seigneur de Moncy. Her second marriage is confirmed by Orderic Vitalis who names "Hugo filius Girardi de Gornaco" and "Drogo, vitricus eius"[490].
"Gérard & his [first/second] wife had [one child]:
"Gérard & his [second] wife had two children:
Med Lands cites:
Country and Region of Origin France Haute-Normandie (RE) Seine-Maritime (D)
Role Noble (lay)
Gender and Marital Statusa Male
Family son: Hugh II (Second Crusader) Wife: Edith (First Crusader)
Crusades
Expedition1st Crusade (1096-1099)?
Contingent Leader Robert Curthose of Normandy?
Probability of Participation Certain
Consequences of Expedition Died
Actions Gerard was accompanied by his wife, Edith. He later went on a pilgrimage to the Holy Land in 1104.
Sources AA, pp. 98-99. BB, p. 33. OV, vol. 5, pp. 34-35, 58-59.2,10
;
Her 1st husband; possibly his 2nd wife.5,1,6,7,8,2
Gerard de Gournay of Caister Norfolk, Seigneur de Gournay-en-Bray died circa 1104.1,2
He was Lord of Gournay-en-Bray at Gournay-en-Bray, France.9 GAV-25 EDV-24.
Reference: Genealogics cites: Burke's Commoners 4 vols: 1836-1838 , Burke, John. 1:126.2
; Per Med Lands:
"GERARD de Gournay (-Palestine after 1104). "Domino meo Hugone Gurnacensi et filio eius Girardo et uxore eius Basilia" consented to the donation by "Radulfus cognomine Havoth" to Jumièges by charter dated to [1040][478], although presumably the document is misdated. "Domino meo Hugone Gurnaiensi et filio eius Girardo et uxore eius Basilia" consented to a donation to Jumièges abbey by "Radulphus cognomina Havoth cum uxore mea" on his entering the abbey as a monk, by undated charter[479]. "…William de Gornai…Girard de Gornai…" witnessed the charter dated 1082 under which William I King of England donated property to the abbey of la Trinité de Caen[480]. “Odo comes et Stephanus filius eius”[481]. Orderic Vitalis records that “primus Normannorum Stephanus de Albamarla filius Odonis Campaniæ comitis” fortified “castellum suum super Aucium flumen” at the expense of William II King of England and placed there a garrison against “ducem” [Robert III Duke of Normandy] and that “Gornacensis Girardus” followed his example and delivered “Gornacum et Firmitatem et Goisleni Fontem” [Gournay, La Ferté-en-Brai, Gaillefontaine] to the king, dated to [1089/90][482]. Orderic Vitalis records that “comes Ebroicensis” requested Robert [III] Duke of Normandy to return “Bathventum et Nogionem, Vaceium et Craventionem, Scoceium [Bavent, near Troarn, Noyon-sur-Andelle, Gacé, Gravençon, Ecouché], aliosque fundos Radulfi patrui mei...Caput Asini” to him and grant “Pontem Sancti Petri” [Pont Saint-Pierre] to “nepoti...meo Guillelmo Bretoliensi”, which the duke agreed to, except “Scoceium” which was held by “Girardus de Gornaco...qui de eadem parentela prodierat, filius...Basiliæ Girardi Fleitelli filiæ”, dated to [1089][483]. He and his wife participated in the First Crusade but he died before the capture of Jerusalem[484]. Albert of Aix names "…Gerardus de Gorna…" among those who took part in the siege of Nikaia, dated to mid-1097 from the context[485]. Baudry names "Girardus de Gornaio" among those on the First Crusade in 1097[486]. Guillaume of Jumièges records that ”Giraldus” left for Jerusalem but died while away[487]. Henry II King of England confirmed the possessions of the abbey of Bec, including donations by "Hugonis de Gornaco et Girardi filii…Girardi de Gornaio et Basilie matris sue", by charter dated to [1181/89][488].
"[m firstly ---. As discussed below, one possibility for the parentage of Amicie, wife of Richard Talbot, is that she was the daughter of Gérard de Gournay by an earlier otherwise unrecorded marriage.]
"m [secondly] ([1084/92]) as her first husband, EDIVE [Edith] de Warenne, daughter of WILLIAM [I] de Warenne Earl of Surrey & his first wife Gundred --- ([1072/80]-after 1155). Guillaume of Jumièges records that ”Giraldus” left for Jerusalem “cum uxore sua Edithua sorore Willelmi comitis de Warenna”, who married secondly “Drogoni de Monceio”, by whom she had “unum filium...Drogonem”[489]. Her birth date is indicated bearing in mind that she had children by both her marriages. The date of her first marriage is estimated assuming that she was about 12 years old at the time. She married secondly Dreux [I] Seigneur de Moncy. Her second marriage is confirmed by Orderic Vitalis who names "Hugo filius Girardi de Gornaco" and "Drogo, vitricus eius"[490].
"Gérard & his [first/second] wife had [one child]:
"i) [AMICIE de Gournay (before [1085]-[after 1100]).
"Gérard & his [second] wife had two children:
"ii) HUGUES [IV] de Gournay ([1098/1100]-1180).
"iii) GUNDRED de Gournay ([1100/1105]-after 1155)."
"iii) GUNDRED de Gournay ([1100/1105]-after 1155)."
Med Lands cites:
[478] Jumièges, Tome I, XXI, p. 66.
[479] Gurney (1845), p. 57, quoting "an old copy in a paper Cartulary of Jumieges", Rouen Archives.
[480] Regesta Regum Anglo-Normannorum (1913), Vol. I, 150, p. 41.
[481] Dugdale Monasticon III, York St Mary, V, p. 548.
[482] Orderic Vitalis (Prévost), Vol. III, Liber VIII, IX, p. 319.
[483] Orderic Vitalis (Prévost), Vol. III, Liber VIII, X, p. 321.
[484] Domesday Descendants, p. 492.
[485] Albert of Aix (RHC), Liber II, Cap. XXIII, p. 316.
[486] Baudry (RHC) II.I, p. 33.
[487] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Duchesne, 1619), Liber VIII, VIII, p. 296.
[488] Actes Henri II, Tome II, DCCXLIV, p. 375.
[489] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Duchesne, 1619), Liber VIII, VIII, p. 296.
[490] Orderic Vitalis (Prévost), Vol. IV, Liber XII, III, p. 317.8
He and Edith/Aldgyth de Warenne were Per Database of Crusaders:[479] Gurney (1845), p. 57, quoting "an old copy in a paper Cartulary of Jumieges", Rouen Archives.
[480] Regesta Regum Anglo-Normannorum (1913), Vol. I, 150, p. 41.
[481] Dugdale Monasticon III, York St Mary, V, p. 548.
[482] Orderic Vitalis (Prévost), Vol. III, Liber VIII, IX, p. 319.
[483] Orderic Vitalis (Prévost), Vol. III, Liber VIII, X, p. 321.
[484] Domesday Descendants, p. 492.
[485] Albert of Aix (RHC), Liber II, Cap. XXIII, p. 316.
[486] Baudry (RHC) II.I, p. 33.
[487] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Duchesne, 1619), Liber VIII, VIII, p. 296.
[488] Actes Henri II, Tome II, DCCXLIV, p. 375.
[489] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Duchesne, 1619), Liber VIII, VIII, p. 296.
[490] Orderic Vitalis (Prévost), Vol. IV, Liber XII, III, p. 317.8
Country and Region of Origin France Haute-Normandie (RE) Seine-Maritime (D)
Role Noble (lay)
Gender and Marital Statusa Male
Family son: Hugh II (Second Crusader) Wife: Edith (First Crusader)
Crusades
Expedition1st Crusade (1096-1099)?
Contingent Leader Robert Curthose of Normandy?
Probability of Participation Certain
Consequences of Expedition Died
Actions Gerard was accompanied by his wife, Edith. He later went on a pilgrimage to the Holy Land in 1104.
Sources AA, pp. 98-99. BB, p. 33. OV, vol. 5, pp. 34-35, 58-59.2,10
Family | Edith/Aldgyth de Warenne b. c 1076 |
Children |
|
Citations
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Warenne page - de Warenne family: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brit/warenne.html
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gerard de Gournay, of Caister Norfolk: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00427301&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/normacre.htm#HuguesGournayMBasilie. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S616] Inc. Brøderbund Software, GEDCOM file imported on 26 Dec 1999 from World Family Tree Vol. 18, Ed. 1, Family #18-0770., CD-ROM (n.p.: Brøderbund Software, Inc., 1998). Hereinafter cited as WFT 18-0770.
- [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), pp. 258-259, de WARENNE 2:iii. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Edith|Gundred de Warenne: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00015441&tree=LEO
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL.htm#EdithWarenneM1GeraudGournayM2DreuxMoncea
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/normacre.htm#GerardGournaydied1099
- [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215: The Barons Named in the Magna
Charta, 1215 and Some of Their Descendants Who Settled in America
During the Early Colonial Years, 5th Edition (Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., unknown publish date), line 158-2, p. 188. Hereinafter cited as Weis MCS-5. - [S4754] A Database of Crusaders to the Holy Land | 1095 - 1149, online <https://www.dhi.ac.uk/crusaders/>, Gerard married of Gournay-en-Bray: https://www.dhi.ac.uk/crusaders/person/?id=287. Hereinafter cited as Crusaders to the Holy Land 1095-1149.
- [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Mowbray, Segrave and Stourton Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
Edith/Aldgyth de Warenne1,2
F, #4972, b. circa 1076
Father | William I de Warenne 1st Earl of Surrey, 1st Earl of Warenne2,3,4,5,6 b. bt 1035 - 1040, d. 24 Jun 1088 |
Mother | Gundred/Gundrada (?)7,2,8,4,5,6 b. c 1053, d. 27 May 1085 |
Reference | GAV24 EDV24 |
Last Edited | 8 Nov 2020 |
Edith/Aldgyth de Warenne was born circa 1076.2 She was born circa 1084 at England.9 She married Gerard de Gournay of Caister Norfolk, Seigneur de Gournay-en-Bray, son of Hugues III de Gournay Seigneur de Gournay and Basille/Basilla Flaitel, circa 1090
;
Her 1st husband; possibly his 2nd wife.1,2,5,6,10,11 Edith/Aldgyth de Warenne married Dreux I de Moncy Seigneur de Moncy after 1104
;
Her 2nd husband.1,2,6,12
Edith/Aldgyth de Warenne and Gerard de Gournay of Caister Norfolk, Seigneur de Gournay-en-Bray were Per Database of Crusaders:
Country and Region of Origin France Haute-Normandie (RE) Seine-Maritime (D)
Role Noble (lay)
Gender and Marital Statusa Male
Family son: Hugh II (Second Crusader) Wife: Edith (First Crusader)
Crusades
Expedition1st Crusade (1096-1099)?
Contingent Leader Robert Curthose of Normandy?
Probability of Participation Certain
Consequences of Expedition Died
Actions Gerard was accompanied by his wife, Edith. He later went on a pilgrimage to the Holy Land in 1104.
Sources AA, pp. 98-99. BB, p. 33. OV, vol. 5, pp. 34-35, 58-59.11,13
; Per Med Lands:
"EDIVE [Edith] ([1072/80]-after 1155). Guillaume of Jumièges records that ”Giraldus” left for Jerusalem “cum uxore sua Edithua sorore Willelmi comitis de Warenna”, who married secondly “Drogoni de Monceio”, by whom she had “unum filium...Drogonem”[1129]. Her second marriage is confirmed by Orderic Vitalis who names "Hugo filius Girardi de Gornaco" and "Drogo, vitricus eius"[1130]. Her birth date is indicated bearing in mind that she had children by both her marriages. The date of her first marriage is estimated assuming that she was about 12 years old at the time.
"m firstly ([1084/92]) [as his second wife,] GERARD de Gournay Seigneur de Gournay-en-Bray, son of HUGUES [III] Seigneur de Gournay & his wife Basilia Fleitel (-Palestine after 1104). He and his wife participated in the First Crusade but he died before the capture of Jerusalem[1131].
"m secondly DREUX [I] Seigneur de Moncy, son of ---."
Med Lands cites:
Reference: Genealogics cites:
; Per Genealogy.EU: "Aldgyth (Edith), *ca 1076; 1m: ca 1090 Gérald de Gournay, sn of Gourney-en-Bray (+1104); 2m: after 1104 Dreux III de Mouchy (+1153.)2"
; Per Med Lands:
"DREUX [I] de Moncy . Seigneur de Moncy. Orderic Vitalis names "Drogo de Monceio" among those who joined the First Crusade in 1096[1194]. William of Tyre names "Drogo de Monci" among those who took part in the siege of Antioch in 1098[1195]. He was a knight in the First Crusade[1196]. He was punished for blasphemy by Wulfric of Haselbury[1197]. Suger's Vita Ludovici records a dispute between the abbot of Saint-Denis and "Burchardum...dominum Monmorenciacensem" during the course of which the future Louis VI King of France, together with "Matthæum Bellimontensem comitem et Drogonem Monciacensem", invaded “terram eiusdem Burchardi”, dated to [1101][1198].
"m as her second husband, EDIVE [Edith] de Warenne, widow of GERARD de Gournay, daughter of WILLIAM [I] de Warenne Earl of Surrey & his first wife Gundred --- (-after 1155). Guillaume of Jumièges records that ”Giraldus” left for Jerusalem “cum uxore sua Edithua sorore Willelmi comitis de Warenna”, who married secondly “Drogoni de Monceio”, by whom she had “unum filium...Drogonem”[1199]. Her second marriage is confirmed by Orderic Vitalis who names "Hugo filius Girardi de Gornaco" and "Drogo, vitricus eius"[1200]."
Med Lands cites:
;
Her 1st husband; possibly his 2nd wife.1,2,5,6,10,11 Edith/Aldgyth de Warenne married Dreux I de Moncy Seigneur de Moncy after 1104
;
Her 2nd husband.1,2,6,12
Edith/Aldgyth de Warenne and Gerard de Gournay of Caister Norfolk, Seigneur de Gournay-en-Bray were Per Database of Crusaders:
Country and Region of Origin France Haute-Normandie (RE) Seine-Maritime (D)
Role Noble (lay)
Gender and Marital Statusa Male
Family son: Hugh II (Second Crusader) Wife: Edith (First Crusader)
Crusades
Expedition1st Crusade (1096-1099)?
Contingent Leader Robert Curthose of Normandy?
Probability of Participation Certain
Consequences of Expedition Died
Actions Gerard was accompanied by his wife, Edith. He later went on a pilgrimage to the Holy Land in 1104.
Sources AA, pp. 98-99. BB, p. 33. OV, vol. 5, pp. 34-35, 58-59.11,13
; Per Med Lands:
"EDIVE [Edith] ([1072/80]-after 1155). Guillaume of Jumièges records that ”Giraldus” left for Jerusalem “cum uxore sua Edithua sorore Willelmi comitis de Warenna”, who married secondly “Drogoni de Monceio”, by whom she had “unum filium...Drogonem”[1129]. Her second marriage is confirmed by Orderic Vitalis who names "Hugo filius Girardi de Gornaco" and "Drogo, vitricus eius"[1130]. Her birth date is indicated bearing in mind that she had children by both her marriages. The date of her first marriage is estimated assuming that she was about 12 years old at the time.
"m firstly ([1084/92]) [as his second wife,] GERARD de Gournay Seigneur de Gournay-en-Bray, son of HUGUES [III] Seigneur de Gournay & his wife Basilia Fleitel (-Palestine after 1104). He and his wife participated in the First Crusade but he died before the capture of Jerusalem[1131].
"m secondly DREUX [I] Seigneur de Moncy, son of ---."
Med Lands cites:
[1129] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Du Chesne, 1619), Liber VIII, VIII, p. 296.
[1130] Orderic Vitalis (Prévost), Vol. IV, Liber XII, III, p. 317.
[1131] Domesday Descendants, p. 492.6
[1130] Orderic Vitalis (Prévost), Vol. IV, Liber XII, III, p. 317.
[1131] Domesday Descendants, p. 492.6
Reference: Genealogics cites:
1. A Genealogical History of the dormant, abeyant, forfeited and extinct peerages of the British Empire, London, 1866, Burke, Sir Bernard. page 568.
2. The Plantagenet Ancestry, Baltimore, 1975 , Turton, Lt.Col. W. H. page 90.5
GAV-24 EDV-24. Edith/Aldgyth de Warenne was also known as Edive/Edith de Warenne.6 Edith/Aldgyth de Warenne was also known as Edith|Gundred de Warenne.5 2. The Plantagenet Ancestry, Baltimore, 1975 , Turton, Lt.Col. W. H. page 90.5
; Per Genealogy.EU: "Aldgyth (Edith), *ca 1076; 1m: ca 1090 Gérald de Gournay, sn of Gourney-en-Bray (+1104); 2m: after 1104 Dreux III de Mouchy (+1153.)2"
; Per Med Lands:
"DREUX [I] de Moncy . Seigneur de Moncy. Orderic Vitalis names "Drogo de Monceio" among those who joined the First Crusade in 1096[1194]. William of Tyre names "Drogo de Monci" among those who took part in the siege of Antioch in 1098[1195]. He was a knight in the First Crusade[1196]. He was punished for blasphemy by Wulfric of Haselbury[1197]. Suger's Vita Ludovici records a dispute between the abbot of Saint-Denis and "Burchardum...dominum Monmorenciacensem" during the course of which the future Louis VI King of France, together with "Matthæum Bellimontensem comitem et Drogonem Monciacensem", invaded “terram eiusdem Burchardi”, dated to [1101][1198].
"m as her second husband, EDIVE [Edith] de Warenne, widow of GERARD de Gournay, daughter of WILLIAM [I] de Warenne Earl of Surrey & his first wife Gundred --- (-after 1155). Guillaume of Jumièges records that ”Giraldus” left for Jerusalem “cum uxore sua Edithua sorore Willelmi comitis de Warenna”, who married secondly “Drogoni de Monceio”, by whom she had “unum filium...Drogonem”[1199]. Her second marriage is confirmed by Orderic Vitalis who names "Hugo filius Girardi de Gornaco" and "Drogo, vitricus eius"[1200]."
Med Lands cites:
[1194] Orderic Vitalis (Prévost), Vol. III, Liber IX, IV, p. 481.
[1195] William of Tyre VI.XVII, p. 263.
[1196] Domesday Descendants, p. 589, citing Orderic Vitalis V 30.
[1197] Domesday Descendants, p. 589.
[1198] Suger Vita Ludovici Grossi Regis II, p. 14.
[1199] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Duchesne, 1619), Liber VIII, VIII, p. 296.
[1200] Orderic Vitalis (Prévost), Vol. IV, Liber XII, III, p. 317.12
[1195] William of Tyre VI.XVII, p. 263.
[1196] Domesday Descendants, p. 589, citing Orderic Vitalis V 30.
[1197] Domesday Descendants, p. 589.
[1198] Suger Vita Ludovici Grossi Regis II, p. 14.
[1199] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Duchesne, 1619), Liber VIII, VIII, p. 296.
[1200] Orderic Vitalis (Prévost), Vol. IV, Liber XII, III, p. 317.12
Family 1 | Gerard de Gournay of Caister Norfolk, Seigneur de Gournay-en-Bray b. 1060, d. c 1104 |
Children |
|
Family 2 | Dreux I de Moncy Seigneur de Moncy d. 1153 |
Child |
Citations
- [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), pp. 258-259, de WARENNE 2:iii. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Warenne page - de Warenne family: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brit/warenne.html
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, William de Warenne: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00015372&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL.htm#_Toc21106868. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Edith|Gundred de Warenne: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00015441&tree=LEO
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL.htm#EdithWarenneM1GeraudGournayM2DreuxMoncea
- [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215: The Barons Named in the Magna
Charta, 1215 and Some of Their Descendants Who Settled in America
During the Early Colonial Years, 5th Edition (Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., unknown publish date), line 158-1, p. 188. Hereinafter cited as Weis MCS-5. - [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gundred: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00015367&tree=LEO
- [S639] Inc. Brøderbund Software, GEDCOM file imported on 6 Oct 2000 from World Family Tree Vol. L1, Ed. 1, Family #0017 (n.p.: Release date: October 30, 1998, unknown publish date).
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/normacre.htm#GerardGournaydied1099
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Gerard de Gournay, of Caister Norfolk: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00427301&tree=LEO
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/parclerdam.htm#DreuxIMouchy
- [S4754] A Database of Crusaders to the Holy Land | 1095 - 1149, online <https://www.dhi.ac.uk/crusaders/>, Gerard married of Gournay-en-Bray: https://www.dhi.ac.uk/crusaders/person/?id=287. Hereinafter cited as Crusaders to the Holy Land 1095-1149.
- [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Mowbray, Segrave and Stourton Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
Raoul I de Lusignan Comte d'Eu, Seigneur d'Issoudun, de Melle, de Chize, de Civray, de La Mothe1,2,3
M, #4973, b. between 1164 and 1165, d. 1 May 1219
Father | Hugues VIII "le Vieux" de Lusignan sire de Lusignan, Comte de la Marche, Seigneur de Bourgogne de Rancon, Seigneur de Fontenay4,2,5 b. bt 1106 - 1110, d. 1173 |
Mother | Bourgogne de Rancon dame de Fontenay5 d. 11 Apr 1169 |
Reference | GAV22 EDV22 |
Last Edited | 14 Oct 2019 |
Raoul I de Lusignan Comte d'Eu, Seigneur d'Issoudun, de Melle, de Chize, de Civray, de La Mothe was born between 1164 and 1165 at Lusignan, Vienne, France.2 He married Alix/Alice d'Eu Countess of Eu, Lady of Hastings, daughter of Henri II d'Eu Count d'Eu, Lord of Hastings and Mathilde/Maud de Warenne, circa 1191 at Lusignan, Vienne, France.6,1,7,3
Raoul I de Lusignan Comte d'Eu, Seigneur d'Issoudun, de Melle, de Chize, de Civray, de La Mothe married Margaret de Courtenay Dame de Chateauneuf-sur-Cher, Mgvne of Namur, daughter of Pierre II de Courtenay Emporer of Constantinople, Cte de Courtenay, de Nevers, d'Auxerre et de Tonnerre, Marquis de Namur and Yolande (?) Mgvne of Namur, Countess of Flanders, circa 1210.8,9
Raoul I de Lusignan Comte d'Eu, Seigneur d'Issoudun, de Melle, de Chize, de Civray, de La Mothe died in 1212.8
Raoul I de Lusignan Comte d'Eu, Seigneur d'Issoudun, de Melle, de Chize, de Civray, de La Mothe was buried circa 1219 at Priory of Fontblanche, Exoudun, France.1
Raoul I de Lusignan Comte d'Eu, Seigneur d'Issoudun, de Melle, de Chize, de Civray, de La Mothe died on 1 May 1219 at Melle, Lusignan, Vienne, France.3,1,2
Raoul I de Lusignan Comte d'Eu, Seigneur d'Issoudun, de Melle, de Chize, de Civray, de La Mothe was buried after 1 May 1219 at Priory of Fontblanche, Exoudun, France (now).2
; Raoul I, Seigneur d'Issoudun before 1200, Comte d'Eu, Seigneur de Melle, de Chize, de Civray, de La Mothe, *1164/65, +Melle 1.5.1219, bur Priory of Fontblanche, Exoudun; 1m: ca 1210 (annuled before 1213) Marguerite de Courtenay (*1194, +Marienthal 17.7.1270, bur there), Dame de Chateuneuf-sur-Cher; 2m: IX.1213 Alix d'Eu, Lady of Hastings (+La Mothe-Saint-Heray, Poitou 14.5.1246.)2
Reference: Leo van de Pas cites:
1. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: vol III/3 page 564.
2. The Complete Peerage 1936 , H.A.Doubleday & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: V 160.3 Raoul I de Lusignan Comte d'Eu, Seigneur d'Issoudun, de Melle, de Chize, de Civray, de La Mothe was also known as Raoul d'Issodun.8 GAV-22 EDV-22 GKJ-23.
Raoul I de Lusignan Comte d'Eu, Seigneur d'Issoudun, de Melle, de Chize, de Civray, de La Mothe married Margaret de Courtenay Dame de Chateauneuf-sur-Cher, Mgvne of Namur, daughter of Pierre II de Courtenay Emporer of Constantinople, Cte de Courtenay, de Nevers, d'Auxerre et de Tonnerre, Marquis de Namur and Yolande (?) Mgvne of Namur, Countess of Flanders, circa 1210.8,9
Raoul I de Lusignan Comte d'Eu, Seigneur d'Issoudun, de Melle, de Chize, de Civray, de La Mothe died in 1212.8
Raoul I de Lusignan Comte d'Eu, Seigneur d'Issoudun, de Melle, de Chize, de Civray, de La Mothe was buried circa 1219 at Priory of Fontblanche, Exoudun, France.1
Raoul I de Lusignan Comte d'Eu, Seigneur d'Issoudun, de Melle, de Chize, de Civray, de La Mothe died on 1 May 1219 at Melle, Lusignan, Vienne, France.3,1,2
Raoul I de Lusignan Comte d'Eu, Seigneur d'Issoudun, de Melle, de Chize, de Civray, de La Mothe was buried after 1 May 1219 at Priory of Fontblanche, Exoudun, France (now).2
; Raoul I, Seigneur d'Issoudun before 1200, Comte d'Eu, Seigneur de Melle, de Chize, de Civray, de La Mothe, *1164/65, +Melle 1.5.1219, bur Priory of Fontblanche, Exoudun; 1m: ca 1210 (annuled before 1213) Marguerite de Courtenay (*1194, +Marienthal 17.7.1270, bur there), Dame de Chateuneuf-sur-Cher; 2m: IX.1213 Alix d'Eu, Lady of Hastings (+La Mothe-Saint-Heray, Poitou 14.5.1246.)2
Reference: Leo van de Pas cites:
1. Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: vol III/3 page 564.
2. The Complete Peerage 1936 , H.A.Doubleday & Lord Howard de Walden, Reference: V 160.3 Raoul I de Lusignan Comte d'Eu, Seigneur d'Issoudun, de Melle, de Chize, de Civray, de La Mothe was also known as Raoul d'Issodun.8 GAV-22 EDV-22 GKJ-23.
Family 1 | Alix/Alice d'Eu Countess of Eu, Lady of Hastings b. 1180, d. 15 May 1246 |
Children |
|
Family 2 | Margaret de Courtenay Dame de Chateauneuf-sur-Cher, Mgvne of Namur b. 1194, d. 17 Jul 1270 |
Citations
- [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), pp. 136-137, de LUSIGNAN 4. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Lusignan 2 page (de Lusignan Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/crus/lusignan2.html#R1
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Raoul de Lusignan dit d'Issoudun: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00015448&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, p. 136, de LUSIGNAN 2.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Hugues VIII 'le Brun' de Lusignan: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00064430&tree=LEO
- [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 123-28, p. 112. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7. - [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Normandy page (Normandy Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/normandy/normandy.html#MH1
- [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, de Courtenay Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Capet 7 page: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/capet/capet7.html#MN
- [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, pp. 136-137, de LUSIGNAN 4:i.
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Lusignan 2 page (de Lusignan Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/crus/lusignan2.html
- [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's Dromant, Abeyant, Forgeited, and Extinct Peerages, p. 57. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Maud de Lusignan: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00015450&tree=LEO
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bohun.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
Alix/Alice d'Eu Countess of Eu, Lady of Hastings1,2,3
F, #4974, b. 1180, d. 15 May 1246
Father | Henri II d'Eu Count d'Eu, Lord of Hastings2,4,5,6 d. 11 Mar 1183 |
Mother | Mathilde/Maud de Warenne2,7,4,5,6 b. c 1162, d. b 13 Dec 1228 |
Reference | GAV22 EDV22 |
Last Edited | 9 Oct 2020 |
Alix/Alice d'Eu Countess of Eu, Lady of Hastings was born in 1180 at Hastings, co. Sussex, England.8 She married Raoul I de Lusignan Comte d'Eu, Seigneur d'Issoudun, de Melle, de Chize, de Civray, de La Mothe, son of Hugues VIII "le Vieux" de Lusignan sire de Lusignan, Comte de la Marche, Seigneur de Bourgogne de Rancon, Seigneur de Fontenay and Bourgogne de Rancon dame de Fontenay, circa 1191 at Lusignan, Vienne, France.9,1,2,10
Alix/Alice d'Eu Countess of Eu, Lady of Hastings was buried circa 1246 at Priory of Fontblanche, Exoudun, France.1
Alix/Alice d'Eu Countess of Eu, Lady of Hastings died on 15 May 1246 at La Mothe-Saint-Heray, Poitou, France.1,2,11
GAV-22 EDV-22 GKJ-23.
Alix/Alice d'Eu Countess of Eu, Lady of Hastings was buried circa 1246 at Priory of Fontblanche, Exoudun, France.1
Alix/Alice d'Eu Countess of Eu, Lady of Hastings died on 15 May 1246 at La Mothe-Saint-Heray, Poitou, France.1,2,11
GAV-22 EDV-22 GKJ-23.
Family | Raoul I de Lusignan Comte d'Eu, Seigneur d'Issoudun, de Melle, de Chize, de Civray, de La Mothe b. bt 1164 - 1165, d. 1 May 1219 |
Children |
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Citations
- [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), pp. 136-137, de LUSIGNAN 4. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Normandy page (Normandy Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/normandy/normandy.html#MH1
- [S2372] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 8th ed. w/ additions by Wm R. and Kaleen E. Beall (Baltimore, 1992: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 2004), Line 123-28, p. 122. Hereinafter cited as Weis [2004] "Ancestral Roots" 8th ed.
- [S2372] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis [2004] "Ancestral Roots" 8th ed, Line 123-27, p. 122.
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/normacre.htm#HenriIIEudied1190. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Comtes d’Eu, p. 4: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Eu.pdf. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Maud|Mahaut de Warenne: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00015443&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S616] Inc. Brøderbund Software, GEDCOM file imported on 26 Dec 1999 from World Family Tree Vol. 18, Ed. 1, Family #18-0770., CD-ROM (n.p.: Brøderbund Software, Inc., 1998). Hereinafter cited as WFT 18-0770.
- [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 123-28, p. 112. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7. - [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Raoul de Lusignan dit d'Issoudun: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00015448&tree=LEO
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Lusignan 2 page (de Lusignan Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/crus/lusignan2.html#R1
- [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, pp. 136-137, de LUSIGNAN 4:i.
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Lusignan 2 page (de Lusignan Family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/crus/lusignan2.html
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Maud de Lusignan: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00015450&tree=LEO
Henry de Bohun 1st Earl of Hereford, Sheriff of Kent, Constable of England1,2
M, #4975, b. circa 1176, d. 1 June 1220
Father | Humphrey IV de Bohun Baron de Bohun, Lord of Hereford, Constable of England1,2 b. c 1150, d. bt 1181 - 1182 |
Mother | Margaret de Huntingdon Duchess of Brittany1,2,3 b. bt 1145 - 1146, d. 1201 |
Reference | GAV22 |
Last Edited | 30 Jun 2020 |
Henry de Bohun 1st Earl of Hereford, Sheriff of Kent, Constable of England was buried at Chapter House of Llanthony Priory, Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England.4 He was born circa 1176 at Warwickshire, England.2,5,4 He married Maud Fitz Geoffrey de Mandeville Countess of Essex, daughter of Geoffrey Fitz Piers 4th Earl of Essex and Beatrice de Say, in 1197 at Quendon, co. Essex, England,
; Racines et Histoire says m. ca 1199/1201.1,2
Henry de Bohun 1st Earl of Hereford, Sheriff of Kent, Constable of England died on 1 June 1220; on Pilgrimage to the Holy Land.5,4,1,2
He was Sheriff of Kent.5,2 He was hereditary Constable of England.2 GAV-22.
; "Humphrey de Bohun, who in reality was the 1st Earl of Hereford of this family, being so created by charter of King John, dated 28 April, 1199; but the constableship he inherited from his father. His lordship, taking part with the barons against King John, had his lands sequestered, but they were restored at the signing of Magna Charta, at Runnimede, the earl being one of the twenty-five lords, appointed there, to enforce the observance of the celebrated charters. His lordship was subsequently excommunicated by the pope, and he became a prisoner at the battle of Lincoln, in the 1st year of Henry III. He m. Maud, dau. of Geoffrey Fitz-Piers, Earl of Essex, and eventually heiress of her brother, William de Mandeville, last Earl of Essex of that family (see Mandeville, Earls of Essex), by whom he acquired the honour of Essex and other extensive lordships, - and had issue, Henry, d. young, Humphrey, and Ralph, and a dau. Margery who m. Waleran, Earl of Warwick. His lordship d. 1 January, 1220, and was s. by his son, Humphrey de Bohun, as Earl of Hereford ..."1 He was 1st Earl of Hereford - The Earldom of Hereford passed to Miles's eldest son Roger (sometimes called of Gloucester and sometimes Fitz Miles) but on the latter's death in 1155 seems to have fallen into disuse. It was revived in 1200 for Miles's great-grandson Henry de Bohun, hereditary Constable of England and a close relative of both the English and Scottish reigning dynasties. He was heir to his grandmother Margaret's estates in and around Herefordshire, she being Miles's daughter and eventual coheir, hence the choice of title when he was made an earl. on 28 April 1199.6,7,1 He was created 1st Earl of Hereford by John Lackland in 1200.2
; Magna Charta Surety.5,8
Henry de Bohun 1st Earl of Hereford, Sheriff of Kent, Constable of England was a witness to the signed Magna Carta.
Counsellors named in Magna Carta
"The preamble to Magna Carta includes the names of the following 27 ecclesiastical and secular magnates who had counselled John to accept its terms. The names include some of the moderate reformers, notably Archbishop Stephen Langton, and some of John's loyal supporters, such as William Marshal, Earl of Pembroke. They are listed here in the order in which they appear in the charter itself:[62]
1. Stephen Langton, Archbishop of Canterbury and Cardinal
2. Henry de Loundres, Archbishop of Dublin
3. William of Sainte-Mère-Église, Bishop of London
4. Peter des Roches, Bishop of Winchester
5. Jocelin of Wells, Bishop of Bath and Glastonbury
6. Hugh of Wells, Bishop of Lincoln
7. Walter de Gray, Bishop of Worcester
8. William de Cornhill, Bishop of Coventry
9. Benedict of Sausetun, Bishop of Rochester
10. Pandulf Verraccio, subdeacon and papal legate to England
11. Eymeric, Master of the Knights Templar in England
12. William Marshal, Earl of Pembroke
13. William Longespée, Earl of Salisbury
14. William de Warenne, Earl of Surrey
15. William d'Aubigny, Earl of Arundel
16. Alan of Galloway, Constable of Scotland
17. Warin FitzGerold
18. Peter FitzHerbert
19 Hubert de Burgh, Seneschal of Poitou
20. Hugh de Neville
21. Matthew FitzHerbert
22. Thomas Basset
23. Alan Basset
24. Philip d'Aubigny
25. Robert of Ropsley
26. John Marshal
27. John FitzHugh
The Council of Twenty-Five Barons
"The names of the Twenty-Five Barons appointed under clause 61 to monitor John's future conduct are not given in the charter itself, but do appear in four early sources, all seemingly based on a contemporary listing: a late 13th-century collection of law tracts and statutes, a Reading Abbey manuscript now in Lambeth Palace Library, and the Chronica Majora and Liber Additamentorum of Matthew Paris.[63][64][65] The process of appointment is not known, but the names were drawn almost exclusively from among John's more active opponents.[66] They are listed here in the order in which they appear in the original sources:
1. Richard de Clare, Earl of Hertford
2. William de Forz, Earl of Albemarle
3. Geoffrey de Mandeville, Earl of Essex and Gloucester
4. Saer de Quincy, Earl of Winchester
5. Henry de Bohun, Earl of Hereford
6. Roger Bigod, Earl of Norfolk and Suffolk
7. Robert de Vere, Earl of Oxford
8. William Marshal junior
9. Robert Fitzwalter, baron of Little Dunmow
10. Gilbert de Clare, heir to the earldom of Hertford
11. Eustace de Vesci, Lord of Alnwick Castle
12. Hugh Bigod, heir to the Earldoms of Norfolk and Suffolk
13. William de Mowbray, Lord of Axholme Castle
14. William Hardell, Mayor of the City of London
15. William de Lanvallei, Lord of Walkern
16. Robert de Ros, Baron of Helmsley
17. John de Lacy, Constable of Chester and Lord of Pontefract Castle
18. Richard de Percy
19. John FitzRobert de Clavering, Lord of Warkworth Castle
20. William Malet
21. Geoffrey de Saye
22. Roger de Montbegon, Lord of Hornby Castle, Lancashire[f]
23. William of Huntingfield, Sheriff of Norfolk and Suffolk
24. Richard de Montfichet
25. William d'Aubigny, Lord of Belvoir
Excommunicated rebels
"In September 1215, the papal commissioners in England – Subdeacon Pandulf, Peter des Roches, Bishop of Winchester, and Simon, Abbot of Reading – excommunicated the rebels, acting on instructions earlier received from Rome. A letter sent by the commissioners from Dover on 5 September to Archbishop Langton explicitly names nine senior rebel barons (all members of the Council of Twenty-Five), and six clerics numbered among the rebel ranks:[67]
Barons
1. Robert Fitzwalter
2. Saer de Quincy, Earl of Winchester
3. Richard de Clare, Earl of Hertford
4. Geoffrey de Mandeville, Earl of Essex and Gloucester
5. Eustace de Vesci
6. Richard de Percy
7. John de Lacy, Constable of Chester
8. William d'Aubigny
9. William de Mowbray
Clerics
10. Giles de Braose, Bishop of Hereford
11. William, Archdeacon of Hereford
12. Alexander the clerk [possibly Alexander of St Albans]
13. Osbert de Samara
14. John de Fereby
15. Robert, chaplain to Robert Fitzwalter with John I "Lackland" (?) King of England on 15 June 1215.9
; Racines et Histoire says m. ca 1199/1201.1,2
Henry de Bohun 1st Earl of Hereford, Sheriff of Kent, Constable of England died on 1 June 1220; on Pilgrimage to the Holy Land.5,4,1,2
He was Sheriff of Kent.5,2 He was hereditary Constable of England.2 GAV-22.
; "Humphrey de Bohun, who in reality was the 1st Earl of Hereford of this family, being so created by charter of King John, dated 28 April, 1199; but the constableship he inherited from his father. His lordship, taking part with the barons against King John, had his lands sequestered, but they were restored at the signing of Magna Charta, at Runnimede, the earl being one of the twenty-five lords, appointed there, to enforce the observance of the celebrated charters. His lordship was subsequently excommunicated by the pope, and he became a prisoner at the battle of Lincoln, in the 1st year of Henry III. He m. Maud, dau. of Geoffrey Fitz-Piers, Earl of Essex, and eventually heiress of her brother, William de Mandeville, last Earl of Essex of that family (see Mandeville, Earls of Essex), by whom he acquired the honour of Essex and other extensive lordships, - and had issue, Henry, d. young, Humphrey, and Ralph, and a dau. Margery who m. Waleran, Earl of Warwick. His lordship d. 1 January, 1220, and was s. by his son, Humphrey de Bohun, as Earl of Hereford ..."1 He was 1st Earl of Hereford - The Earldom of Hereford passed to Miles's eldest son Roger (sometimes called of Gloucester and sometimes Fitz Miles) but on the latter's death in 1155 seems to have fallen into disuse. It was revived in 1200 for Miles's great-grandson Henry de Bohun, hereditary Constable of England and a close relative of both the English and Scottish reigning dynasties. He was heir to his grandmother Margaret's estates in and around Herefordshire, she being Miles's daughter and eventual coheir, hence the choice of title when he was made an earl. on 28 April 1199.6,7,1 He was created 1st Earl of Hereford by John Lackland in 1200.2
; Magna Charta Surety.5,8
Henry de Bohun 1st Earl of Hereford, Sheriff of Kent, Constable of England was a witness to the signed Magna Carta.
Counsellors named in Magna Carta
"The preamble to Magna Carta includes the names of the following 27 ecclesiastical and secular magnates who had counselled John to accept its terms. The names include some of the moderate reformers, notably Archbishop Stephen Langton, and some of John's loyal supporters, such as William Marshal, Earl of Pembroke. They are listed here in the order in which they appear in the charter itself:[62]
1. Stephen Langton, Archbishop of Canterbury and Cardinal
2. Henry de Loundres, Archbishop of Dublin
3. William of Sainte-Mère-Église, Bishop of London
4. Peter des Roches, Bishop of Winchester
5. Jocelin of Wells, Bishop of Bath and Glastonbury
6. Hugh of Wells, Bishop of Lincoln
7. Walter de Gray, Bishop of Worcester
8. William de Cornhill, Bishop of Coventry
9. Benedict of Sausetun, Bishop of Rochester
10. Pandulf Verraccio, subdeacon and papal legate to England
11. Eymeric, Master of the Knights Templar in England
12. William Marshal, Earl of Pembroke
13. William Longespée, Earl of Salisbury
14. William de Warenne, Earl of Surrey
15. William d'Aubigny, Earl of Arundel
16. Alan of Galloway, Constable of Scotland
17. Warin FitzGerold
18. Peter FitzHerbert
19 Hubert de Burgh, Seneschal of Poitou
20. Hugh de Neville
21. Matthew FitzHerbert
22. Thomas Basset
23. Alan Basset
24. Philip d'Aubigny
25. Robert of Ropsley
26. John Marshal
27. John FitzHugh
The Council of Twenty-Five Barons
"The names of the Twenty-Five Barons appointed under clause 61 to monitor John's future conduct are not given in the charter itself, but do appear in four early sources, all seemingly based on a contemporary listing: a late 13th-century collection of law tracts and statutes, a Reading Abbey manuscript now in Lambeth Palace Library, and the Chronica Majora and Liber Additamentorum of Matthew Paris.[63][64][65] The process of appointment is not known, but the names were drawn almost exclusively from among John's more active opponents.[66] They are listed here in the order in which they appear in the original sources:
1. Richard de Clare, Earl of Hertford
2. William de Forz, Earl of Albemarle
3. Geoffrey de Mandeville, Earl of Essex and Gloucester
4. Saer de Quincy, Earl of Winchester
5. Henry de Bohun, Earl of Hereford
6. Roger Bigod, Earl of Norfolk and Suffolk
7. Robert de Vere, Earl of Oxford
8. William Marshal junior
9. Robert Fitzwalter, baron of Little Dunmow
10. Gilbert de Clare, heir to the earldom of Hertford
11. Eustace de Vesci, Lord of Alnwick Castle
12. Hugh Bigod, heir to the Earldoms of Norfolk and Suffolk
13. William de Mowbray, Lord of Axholme Castle
14. William Hardell, Mayor of the City of London
15. William de Lanvallei, Lord of Walkern
16. Robert de Ros, Baron of Helmsley
17. John de Lacy, Constable of Chester and Lord of Pontefract Castle
18. Richard de Percy
19. John FitzRobert de Clavering, Lord of Warkworth Castle
20. William Malet
21. Geoffrey de Saye
22. Roger de Montbegon, Lord of Hornby Castle, Lancashire[f]
23. William of Huntingfield, Sheriff of Norfolk and Suffolk
24. Richard de Montfichet
25. William d'Aubigny, Lord of Belvoir
Excommunicated rebels
"In September 1215, the papal commissioners in England – Subdeacon Pandulf, Peter des Roches, Bishop of Winchester, and Simon, Abbot of Reading – excommunicated the rebels, acting on instructions earlier received from Rome. A letter sent by the commissioners from Dover on 5 September to Archbishop Langton explicitly names nine senior rebel barons (all members of the Council of Twenty-Five), and six clerics numbered among the rebel ranks:[67]
Barons
1. Robert Fitzwalter
2. Saer de Quincy, Earl of Winchester
3. Richard de Clare, Earl of Hertford
4. Geoffrey de Mandeville, Earl of Essex and Gloucester
5. Eustace de Vesci
6. Richard de Percy
7. John de Lacy, Constable of Chester
8. William d'Aubigny
9. William de Mowbray
Clerics
10. Giles de Braose, Bishop of Hereford
11. William, Archdeacon of Hereford
12. Alexander the clerk [possibly Alexander of St Albans]
13. Osbert de Samara
14. John de Fereby
15. Robert, chaplain to Robert Fitzwalter with John I "Lackland" (?) King of England on 15 June 1215.9
Family | Maud Fitz Geoffrey de Mandeville Countess of Essex b. c 1178, d. 27 Aug 1236 |
Children |
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Citations
- [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's Dromant, Abeyant, Forgeited, and Extinct Peerages, p. 57. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bohun.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Margaret of Scotland: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00122052&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 34, de BOHUN 3. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
- [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 97-27, p. 93. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7. - [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215: The Barons Named in the Magna
Charta, 1215 and Some of Their Descendants Who Settled in America
During the Early Colonial Years, 5th Edition (Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., unknown publish date), line 18-1, p. 25. Hereinafter cited as Weis MCS-5. - [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Hereford Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
- [S633] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr. and William R. Beall Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis MCS-5, line 160-4, p. 189.
- [S1953] Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia, online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.
- [S1896] Douglas Richardson, "Richardson email 22 June 2005: "Extended Pedigree of Counts of Boulogne-sur-Mer"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/44eb7V2WEXc/m/5ixO37yx3noJ) to e-mail address, 22 June 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Richardson email 22 June 2005."
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Humphrey de Bohun: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00015449&tree=LEO
Maud Fitz Geoffrey de Mandeville Countess of Essex1,2,3
F, #4976, b. circa 1178, d. 27 August 1236
Father | Geoffrey Fitz Piers 4th Earl of Essex2,3 b. c 1166, d. 14 Oct 1213 |
Mother | Beatrice de Say4,3 d. b 19 Apr 1197 |
Reference | GAV22 EDV22 |
Last Edited | 25 May 2009 |
Maud Fitz Geoffrey de Mandeville Countess of Essex married Roger de Daunteseye of Dauntsey, co. Wiltshire.5
Maud Fitz Geoffrey de Mandeville Countess of Essex was born circa 1178 at Mandeville, Warwickshire, England.6,3 She married Henry de Bohun 1st Earl of Hereford, Sheriff of Kent, Constable of England, son of Humphrey IV de Bohun Baron de Bohun, Lord of Hereford, Constable of England and Margaret de Huntingdon Duchess of Brittany, in 1197 at Quendon, co. Essex, England,
; Racines et Histoire says m. ca 1199/1201.2,3
Maud Fitz Geoffrey de Mandeville Countess of Essex died on 27 August 1236 at Quendon, co. Essex, England.6,5,3
GAV-22 EDV-22 GKJ-23.
; Weis [AR7] 97-27.7
Maud Fitz Geoffrey de Mandeville Countess of Essex was born circa 1178 at Mandeville, Warwickshire, England.6,3 She married Henry de Bohun 1st Earl of Hereford, Sheriff of Kent, Constable of England, son of Humphrey IV de Bohun Baron de Bohun, Lord of Hereford, Constable of England and Margaret de Huntingdon Duchess of Brittany, in 1197 at Quendon, co. Essex, England,
; Racines et Histoire says m. ca 1199/1201.2,3
Maud Fitz Geoffrey de Mandeville Countess of Essex died on 27 August 1236 at Quendon, co. Essex, England.6,5,3
GAV-22 EDV-22 GKJ-23.
; Weis [AR7] 97-27.7
Family 1 | Roger de Daunteseye of Dauntsey, co. Wiltshire d. a Aug 1238 |
Family 2 | Henry de Bohun 1st Earl of Hereford, Sheriff of Kent, Constable of England b. c 1176, d. 1 Jun 1220 |
Children |
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Citations
- [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), pp. 87-88, Fitz GEOFFREY 2:iv. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
- [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's Dromant, Abeyant, Forgeited, and Extinct Peerages, p. 57. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bohun.pdf, p. 3. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Beatrice de Say: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139099&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, p. 34, de BOHUN 3.
- [S616] Inc. Brøderbund Software, GEDCOM file imported on 26 Dec 1999 from World Family Tree Vol. 18, Ed. 1, Family #18-0770., CD-ROM (n.p.: Brøderbund Software, Inc., 1998). Hereinafter cited as WFT 18-0770.
- [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 97-27, p. 93. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7. - [S1896] Douglas Richardson, "Richardson email 22 June 2005: "Extended Pedigree of Counts of Boulogne-sur-Mer"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/44eb7V2WEXc/m/5ixO37yx3noJ) to e-mail address, 22 June 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Richardson email 22 June 2005."
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Humphrey de Bohun: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00015449&tree=LEO
Humphrey IV de Bohun Baron de Bohun, Lord of Hereford, Constable of England1,2,3
M, #4977, b. circa 1150, d. between 1181 and 1182
Father | Humphrey III de Bohun baron de Bohun, Steward, Chancelier et sénéchal, seigneur de Trowbridge, Malmesbury et Melshan2,4,5 b. 1120, d. 29 Sep 1165 |
Mother | Margaret (?) of Gloucester2,6,5,7 b. bt 1121 - 1123, d. 6 Apr 1187 |
Reference | GAV23 EDV23 |
Last Edited | 16 Dec 2020 |
Humphrey IV de Bohun Baron de Bohun, Lord of Hereford, Constable of England was born circa 1150 at Herefordshire, England.3 He married Margaret de Huntingdon Duchess of Brittany, daughter of Henry de Huntingdon Earl of Northumberland & Huntingdon and Ada de Warenne, in 1171 at England
;
Her 2nd husband.8,9,2,10,3,11,12
Humphrey IV de Bohun Baron de Bohun, Lord of Hereford, Constable of England died between 1181 and 1182 at England.13,1,3
; Humphrey was Earl Hereford and Constable of England in right of his mother, if the chronicles of Lathony be correct. His lordship married Margaret of Scotland (daughter of Henry, Earl of Huntingdon, and Ada de Warren; son of David I, King of Scotland, and Maud; daughter of Waltheof and Judith; daughter of Adelaide; sister of William, the Conqueror). David I of Scotland was son of Malcolm III, King of Scotland, and Margaret, princess and heiress of the Saxon royal line. Thus bringing into the de Bohun family the royal English, Saxon, Scottish, French and Dukes of Normandy.14,2 GAV-23 EDV-23. He was Constable of England.13
; Per Med Lands:
"MARGARET ([1144/45]-1201, bur Sawtrey Abbey). Her origin and first marriage are deduced from Benedict of Peterborough who records that "filia sororis regis Scotiæ Willelmi comitissa Brittaniæ" gave birth in 1186 to "filium…Arturum"[463]. Her birth date is estimated from the Rotuli de Dominabus of 1185 which records property “villam de Wissinton” held by “Margareta comitissa…xl annorum”, adding that “comes Britannie habet filiam suam” and that she has “i filium de Humfrido de Buun qui est infra etatem”[464]. The Chronicle of Melrose records the marriage in 1160 of "Malcolm king of Scotland…his sister Margaret to Conan duke of Brittany"[465]. The Genealogia Comitum Richemundiæ records that "Conanus filius Alani" married "Margaretam sororem Willielmi Regis Scotie"[466]. "Conan dux Britannie comes Richmundie" confirmed the donation of Plubihan and Plougasnou to Saint-Georges de Rennes by charter to [1156/69], witnessed by "Margarita comitissa, Willelmo filio Hamon, Alano de Rohan, Constancia sorore comitis…"[467]. A manuscript which narrates the descents of the founders of Lanthony Abbey records that “dominus Humfridus quartus de Bohun, comes Herefordiæ et constabularius Angliæ” married “Margaretam comitissam Britanniæ”[468]. Two possibilities have been proposed for a third marriage of Margaret. Firstly, Evans suggests that she was the second marriage of Pedro de Lara, quoting a charter dated "X Kal Feb 1221" (Spanish Era = A. D. 23 Jan 1183) at Anjou which records a donation by "P…comes de Lara…comitisse Marger’ uxori mee consanguinee H...angl’ regis" of "Molmera et Handaluz et Agusinu et Eles et Pulucranke…in Hyspania" to Llanthony abbey, witnessed by "comes Gaufredus Britannie, J. sine terra, J. comes J, Mauricius de Creon sen[escallus Andeg, J. Didaci comitis"[469]. He points out that Llanthony had been founded in 1136 by Miles of Gloucester, whose eldest daughter married Humphrey de Bohun, who was the father of Margaret’s second husband[470]. If this origin is correct, Pedro’s marriage to Margaret was presumably terminated before her death, given his third marriage. The difficulty with Evans’s proposal is the obvious age difference between Pedro de Lara and Margaret of Scotland. Another possibility, which also justifies the connection with Llanthony through the Bohun family and is more satisfactory from a chronological point of view, is that Pedro’s second wife was an otherwise unrecorded daughter of Margaret’s. The second possibility for a third marriage for Margaret with "the Berwickshire thegn" William FitzPatrick of Greenlaw, Westmoreland was proposed by Washington[471], and accepted by Hedley[472]. The Liber de S. Marie de Calchou (Kelso abbey) lists "Carta Willi fil Patric…in villa de Grenlaw" which records the donation by "M comitisse uxoris mee" to Kelso of land "in Grenelawe quem Lyolfus eq’cius tenuit"[473], while the Pipe Roll of 1184 for Westmoreland records lands owned by "Countess Margaret"[474]. Washington assigns three children to this marriage: "1. Walter de Washington, 2. Sir William de Washington, 3. Marjory who married firstly David de Lindsay (from which marriage descended Sir Robert de Pinkney, a competitor for the Scottish crown in 1291) and secondly Sir Malcolm FitzWaldeve alias de Ingoe".] The Annals of Burton record the death in 1201 of “Margareta mater…Constantiæ, soror Willelmi regis Scotiæ, mater Henrici de Boum comitis Herefordiæ”[475].
"m firstly (1160) CONAN IV "le Petit" Duke of Brittany, Earl of Richmond, son of ALAIN Earl of Richmond & his wife Berthe heiress of Brittany ([1138]-18 or 20 Feb 1171).
"m secondly (1171 before Easter) HUMPHREY [IV] de Bohun, son of HUMPHREY [III] de Bohun & his wife Margaret of Hereford (-[1180]). Hereditary Constable of England.
"[Two possible alternatives for her third marriage: (1) m thirdly as his second wife, conde don PEDRO Manrique de Lara Vicomte de Narbonne, son of conde don MANRIQUE Pérez de Lara & his wife Ermesinde Ctss de Narbonne (-Jan 1202, bur Santa María de Huerta). (2) m thirdly WILLIAM FitzPatrick alias de Hertburn, alias de Washington, of Greenlaw, Westmoreland, son of --- (-after 1184).]"
Med Lands cites:
; Per Genealogy.EU (Dunkeld): “E5. Margaret, *ca 1145/46, +1201; 1m: 1159/60 Duke Conan IV of Brittany (*ca 1038, +20.2.1171), 2m: around Easter 1175 Humphrey de Bohun (+1182)”.15
;
Her 2nd husband.8,9,2,10,3,11,12
Humphrey IV de Bohun Baron de Bohun, Lord of Hereford, Constable of England died between 1181 and 1182 at England.13,1,3
; Humphrey was Earl Hereford and Constable of England in right of his mother, if the chronicles of Lathony be correct. His lordship married Margaret of Scotland (daughter of Henry, Earl of Huntingdon, and Ada de Warren; son of David I, King of Scotland, and Maud; daughter of Waltheof and Judith; daughter of Adelaide; sister of William, the Conqueror). David I of Scotland was son of Malcolm III, King of Scotland, and Margaret, princess and heiress of the Saxon royal line. Thus bringing into the de Bohun family the royal English, Saxon, Scottish, French and Dukes of Normandy.14,2 GAV-23 EDV-23. He was Constable of England.13
; Per Med Lands:
"MARGARET ([1144/45]-1201, bur Sawtrey Abbey). Her origin and first marriage are deduced from Benedict of Peterborough who records that "filia sororis regis Scotiæ Willelmi comitissa Brittaniæ" gave birth in 1186 to "filium…Arturum"[463]. Her birth date is estimated from the Rotuli de Dominabus of 1185 which records property “villam de Wissinton” held by “Margareta comitissa…xl annorum”, adding that “comes Britannie habet filiam suam” and that she has “i filium de Humfrido de Buun qui est infra etatem”[464]. The Chronicle of Melrose records the marriage in 1160 of "Malcolm king of Scotland…his sister Margaret to Conan duke of Brittany"[465]. The Genealogia Comitum Richemundiæ records that "Conanus filius Alani" married "Margaretam sororem Willielmi Regis Scotie"[466]. "Conan dux Britannie comes Richmundie" confirmed the donation of Plubihan and Plougasnou to Saint-Georges de Rennes by charter to [1156/69], witnessed by "Margarita comitissa, Willelmo filio Hamon, Alano de Rohan, Constancia sorore comitis…"[467]. A manuscript which narrates the descents of the founders of Lanthony Abbey records that “dominus Humfridus quartus de Bohun, comes Herefordiæ et constabularius Angliæ” married “Margaretam comitissam Britanniæ”[468]. Two possibilities have been proposed for a third marriage of Margaret. Firstly, Evans suggests that she was the second marriage of Pedro de Lara, quoting a charter dated "X Kal Feb 1221" (Spanish Era = A. D. 23 Jan 1183) at Anjou which records a donation by "P…comes de Lara…comitisse Marger’ uxori mee consanguinee H...angl’ regis" of "Molmera et Handaluz et Agusinu et Eles et Pulucranke…in Hyspania" to Llanthony abbey, witnessed by "comes Gaufredus Britannie, J. sine terra, J. comes J, Mauricius de Creon sen[escallus Andeg, J. Didaci comitis"[469]. He points out that Llanthony had been founded in 1136 by Miles of Gloucester, whose eldest daughter married Humphrey de Bohun, who was the father of Margaret’s second husband[470]. If this origin is correct, Pedro’s marriage to Margaret was presumably terminated before her death, given his third marriage. The difficulty with Evans’s proposal is the obvious age difference between Pedro de Lara and Margaret of Scotland. Another possibility, which also justifies the connection with Llanthony through the Bohun family and is more satisfactory from a chronological point of view, is that Pedro’s second wife was an otherwise unrecorded daughter of Margaret’s. The second possibility for a third marriage for Margaret with "the Berwickshire thegn" William FitzPatrick of Greenlaw, Westmoreland was proposed by Washington[471], and accepted by Hedley[472]. The Liber de S. Marie de Calchou (Kelso abbey) lists "Carta Willi fil Patric…in villa de Grenlaw" which records the donation by "M comitisse uxoris mee" to Kelso of land "in Grenelawe quem Lyolfus eq’cius tenuit"[473], while the Pipe Roll of 1184 for Westmoreland records lands owned by "Countess Margaret"[474]. Washington assigns three children to this marriage: "1. Walter de Washington, 2. Sir William de Washington, 3. Marjory who married firstly David de Lindsay (from which marriage descended Sir Robert de Pinkney, a competitor for the Scottish crown in 1291) and secondly Sir Malcolm FitzWaldeve alias de Ingoe".] The Annals of Burton record the death in 1201 of “Margareta mater…Constantiæ, soror Willelmi regis Scotiæ, mater Henrici de Boum comitis Herefordiæ”[475].
"m firstly (1160) CONAN IV "le Petit" Duke of Brittany, Earl of Richmond, son of ALAIN Earl of Richmond & his wife Berthe heiress of Brittany ([1138]-18 or 20 Feb 1171).
"m secondly (1171 before Easter) HUMPHREY [IV] de Bohun, son of HUMPHREY [III] de Bohun & his wife Margaret of Hereford (-[1180]). Hereditary Constable of England.
"[Two possible alternatives for her third marriage: (1) m thirdly as his second wife, conde don PEDRO Manrique de Lara Vicomte de Narbonne, son of conde don MANRIQUE Pérez de Lara & his wife Ermesinde Ctss de Narbonne (-Jan 1202, bur Santa María de Huerta). (2) m thirdly WILLIAM FitzPatrick alias de Hertburn, alias de Washington, of Greenlaw, Westmoreland, son of --- (-after 1184).]"
Med Lands cites:
[463] Stubbs, W. (ed.) (1847) Gesta Regis Henrici Secundi Benedicti Abbatis, The Chronicle of the reigns of Henry II and Richard I 1169-1192, known commonly under the name of Benedict of Peterborough (London) (“Benedict of Peterborough”) I 1186, p. 361.
[464] Grimaldi, S. (ed.) (1830) Rotuli de Dominabus et Pueris et Puellis de Donatione Regis in XII Comitatibus, 1185 (London) (“Rotuli Dominabus”), Rotuli V, Norffolk, p. 33.
[465] Chronicle of Melrose, 1162, p. 12.
[466] Genealogia Comitum Richemundiæ post conquestum Angliæ, RHGF XII, p. 569.
[467] La Bigne Villeneuve, P. de (ed.) `Cartulaire de l’abbaye de Saint-Georges de Rennes`, Bulletin et mémoires de la société archéologique de département d’Ille-et-Vilaine, Tome IX (Rennes, 1870) ("Rennes Saint-Georges"), XX, p. 249.
[468] Dugdale Monasticon VI, Lanthony Abbey, Gloucestershire, II, Fundatorum progenies, p. 134.
[469] Evans, C. F. H. 'Margaret of Scotland, Duchess of Brittany', Adhémar de Panat, Comte d’and Ghellinck Vaernewyck, X. de (eds.) (1971) Mélanges offerts à Szabolcs de Vajay à l’occasion de son cinquantième anniversaire (Braga), pp. 187-91, in Edwards, S. (ed.) (2003) Complete Works of Charles Evans, Genealogy and related topics (Foundation for Medieval Genealogy) ("Evans (2003)"), p. 121, quoting P.R.O., C 115/a 1, I, no. 43.
[470] Evans (2003), pp. 121-2.
[471] Washington, G. S. H. L. (1964) The earliest Washingtons and their Anglo-Scottish connexions, cited in Evans (2003), p. 120.
[472] Hedley, W. P. (1968) Northumberland Families, Vol. I, p. 237, cited in Evans (2003), p. 120.
[473] Innes, C. (1846) Liber de S. Marie de Calchou, Vol. I, p. 58.
[474] Pipe Roll Society, Vol. XXXIII (1912), cited without a page number in Evans (2003), p. 120.
[475] Luard, H. R. (ed.) (1864) Annales Monastici Vol. I, Annales de Margan, Annales de Theokesberia, Annales de Burton (London) Annales de Burton, p. 209.12
[464] Grimaldi, S. (ed.) (1830) Rotuli de Dominabus et Pueris et Puellis de Donatione Regis in XII Comitatibus, 1185 (London) (“Rotuli Dominabus”), Rotuli V, Norffolk, p. 33.
[465] Chronicle of Melrose, 1162, p. 12.
[466] Genealogia Comitum Richemundiæ post conquestum Angliæ, RHGF XII, p. 569.
[467] La Bigne Villeneuve, P. de (ed.) `Cartulaire de l’abbaye de Saint-Georges de Rennes`, Bulletin et mémoires de la société archéologique de département d’Ille-et-Vilaine, Tome IX (Rennes, 1870) ("Rennes Saint-Georges"), XX, p. 249.
[468] Dugdale Monasticon VI, Lanthony Abbey, Gloucestershire, II, Fundatorum progenies, p. 134.
[469] Evans, C. F. H. 'Margaret of Scotland, Duchess of Brittany', Adhémar de Panat, Comte d’and Ghellinck Vaernewyck, X. de (eds.) (1971) Mélanges offerts à Szabolcs de Vajay à l’occasion de son cinquantième anniversaire (Braga), pp. 187-91, in Edwards, S. (ed.) (2003) Complete Works of Charles Evans, Genealogy and related topics (Foundation for Medieval Genealogy) ("Evans (2003)"), p. 121, quoting P.R.O., C 115/a 1, I, no. 43.
[470] Evans (2003), pp. 121-2.
[471] Washington, G. S. H. L. (1964) The earliest Washingtons and their Anglo-Scottish connexions, cited in Evans (2003), p. 120.
[472] Hedley, W. P. (1968) Northumberland Families, Vol. I, p. 237, cited in Evans (2003), p. 120.
[473] Innes, C. (1846) Liber de S. Marie de Calchou, Vol. I, p. 58.
[474] Pipe Roll Society, Vol. XXXIII (1912), cited without a page number in Evans (2003), p. 120.
[475] Luard, H. R. (ed.) (1864) Annales Monastici Vol. I, Annales de Margan, Annales de Theokesberia, Annales de Burton (London) Annales de Burton, p. 209.12
; Per Genealogy.EU (Dunkeld): “E5. Margaret, *ca 1145/46, +1201; 1m: 1159/60 Duke Conan IV of Brittany (*ca 1038, +20.2.1171), 2m: around Easter 1175 Humphrey de Bohun (+1182)”.15
Family | Margaret de Huntingdon Duchess of Brittany b. bt 1145 - 1146, d. 1201 |
Child |
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Citations
- [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), pp. 33-34, de BOHUN 2. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
- [S1429] Unknown compiler, Notable British Families 1600s-1900s from Burke's Peerage., CD-ROM (n.p.: Broderbund Software Company, 1999), Notable British Families, Burke's Dromant, Abeyant, Forgeited, and Extinct Peerages, p. 57. Hereinafter cited as Notable British Families CD # 367.
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bohun.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Humphrey de Bohun: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139100&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, Famille de Bohun, p. 2: http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bohun.pdf
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Margaret of Gloucester: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00139101&tree=LEO
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL.htm#HumphreyBohundied1166B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, p. 115, HUNTINGDON 4:v.
- [S1426] Jiri Louda (Tables) and Michael Maclagan (text), Lines of Succession: Heraldry of the Royal Families of Europe (New York, NY: Barnes & Noble Books, 2002), Table 12: Scotland: Kings until the accession of Robert Bruce. Hereinafter cited as Louda & Maclagan [2002] Lines of Succession.
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Dunkeld page (The House of Dunkeld): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brit/dunkeld.html
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Margaret of Scotland: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00122052&tree=LEO
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTLAND.htm#Margaretdied1201
- [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 193-6, p. 165. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7. - [S1217] e-mail address, online http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=:1590432, Sue Cary (unknown location), downloaded updated 25 Aug 2001, http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:1590432&id=I03696
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, The House of Dunkeld: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brit/dunkeld.html#MHH
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bohun.pdf, p. 3.
NN von Öhningen1
F, #4978
Father | Konrad/Cuno (?) Herzog von Schwaben, Graf von Oenningen1 b. 920 |
Mother | Richlind/Reginlint (?) von Schwaben1 b. 950, d. 999 |
Last Edited | 1 Jul 2020 |
NN von Öhningen married NN von Rheinfelden.2
; Per Med Lands:
"[--- . The Genealogia Welforum refers to the four daughters of "Chuno comes [et] filia Ottonis Magni imperatoris", specifying that the second (unnamed) married "cuidam de Rinvelden parenti Zaringorum"[163]. The Historia Welforum refers to the four daughters of "Couno comes" and "filia Ottonis magnis imperatoris…Richlint", specifying that they married "una Roudolfo isti [=Welforum], alia cuidam de Rinveldin, parenti Zaringiorum, tercia regie Rugiorum, quarta comiti de Diezon"[164]. As noted above, these two sources are unreliable in their recording of the sons of Konrad I Duke of Swabia, so should not be assumed to be any more precise in recording his daughters. The primary source which confirms her name has not been identified.
"m --- von Rheinfelden, son of ---.]"
Med Lands cites:
; Per Med Lands:
"--- von Rheinfelden . This possible person represents the earliest reference to Rheinfelden, but he is recorded only in the unreliable Genealogia Welforum which is quoted below. Any connection with the Zähringen family, also noted in the document, has not[ been traced. The word “parenti” could indicate a remote family relationship. If he did exist, the chronology suggests that he would have belonged to the generation of the grandparents of Rudolf von Rheinfelden King of Germany.
"m [---, daughter of KONRAD Duke of Swabia & his wife Richlind --- ([970/97]-). The Genealogia Welforum refers to the four daughters of "Chuno comes [et] filia Ottonis Magni imperatoris", specifying that the second (unnamed) married "cuidam de Rinvelden parenti Zaringorum"[443]. The Historia Welforum refers to the four daughters of "Couno comes" and "filia Ottonis magnis imperatoris…Richlint", specifying that they married "una Roudolfo isti [=Welforum], alia cuidam de Rinveldin, parenti Zaringiorum, tercia regie Rugiorum, quarta comiti de Diezon"[444]. As noted in the document SWABIA DUKES, these two sources are unreliable in their recording of the sons of Konrad I Duke of Swabia, so should not be assumed to be any more precise in recording his daughter. The primary source which confirms her name has not been identified.]"
Med Lands cites:
; Per Med Lands:
"[--- . The Genealogia Welforum refers to the four daughters of "Chuno comes [et] filia Ottonis Magni imperatoris", specifying that the second (unnamed) married "cuidam de Rinvelden parenti Zaringorum"[163]. The Historia Welforum refers to the four daughters of "Couno comes" and "filia Ottonis magnis imperatoris…Richlint", specifying that they married "una Roudolfo isti [=Welforum], alia cuidam de Rinveldin, parenti Zaringiorum, tercia regie Rugiorum, quarta comiti de Diezon"[164]. As noted above, these two sources are unreliable in their recording of the sons of Konrad I Duke of Swabia, so should not be assumed to be any more precise in recording his daughters. The primary source which confirms her name has not been identified.
"m --- von Rheinfelden, son of ---.]"
Med Lands cites:
[163] Genealogia Welforum 4, MGH SS XIII, p. 734.
[164] Historia Welforum Weingartensis 6, MGH SS XXI, p. 460.1
[164] Historia Welforum Weingartensis 6, MGH SS XXI, p. 460.1
; Per Med Lands:
"--- von Rheinfelden . This possible person represents the earliest reference to Rheinfelden, but he is recorded only in the unreliable Genealogia Welforum which is quoted below. Any connection with the Zähringen family, also noted in the document, has not[ been traced. The word “parenti” could indicate a remote family relationship. If he did exist, the chronology suggests that he would have belonged to the generation of the grandparents of Rudolf von Rheinfelden King of Germany.
"m [---, daughter of KONRAD Duke of Swabia & his wife Richlind --- ([970/97]-). The Genealogia Welforum refers to the four daughters of "Chuno comes [et] filia Ottonis Magni imperatoris", specifying that the second (unnamed) married "cuidam de Rinvelden parenti Zaringorum"[443]. The Historia Welforum refers to the four daughters of "Couno comes" and "filia Ottonis magnis imperatoris…Richlint", specifying that they married "una Roudolfo isti [=Welforum], alia cuidam de Rinveldin, parenti Zaringiorum, tercia regie Rugiorum, quarta comiti de Diezon"[444]. As noted in the document SWABIA DUKES, these two sources are unreliable in their recording of the sons of Konrad I Duke of Swabia, so should not be assumed to be any more precise in recording his daughter. The primary source which confirms her name has not been identified.]"
Med Lands cites:
[443] Genealogia Welforum 4, MGH SS XIII, p. 734.
[444] Historia Welforum Weingartensis 6, MGH SS XXI, p. 460.2
[444] Historia Welforum Weingartensis 6, MGH SS XXI, p. 460.2
Family | NN von Rheinfelden |
Citations
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SWABIA.htm#JudithdauKonradSwabiaM1Rheinfelden. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SWABIAN%20NOBILITY.htm#RheinfeldenMJudith
Henry de Huntingdon Earl of Northumberland & Huntingdon1,2,3,4
M, #4979, b. 1114, d. 12 June 1152
Father | David I "The Saint" (?) King of Scots5,4,6,7 b. c 1080, d. 24 May 1153 |
Mother | Maude (Matilda) de Huntingdon Queen of the Scots, Countess of Huntingdon & Northumberland5,4,7,8 b. c 1074, d. bt 23 Apr 1130 - 1131 |
Reference | GAV23 EDV22 |
Last Edited | 31 Jul 2020 |
Henry de Huntingdon Earl of Northumberland & Huntingdon was born in 1114; Louda & Macalagan says b. ca 1115; Genealogy.EU (Dunkeld page) says b. 1115.9,1,5,4 He married Ada de Warenne, daughter of William II de Warenne 2nd Earl of Surrey, 2nd Earl of Warenne and Isabelle/Elisabeth de Vermandois Countess of Leicester, in 1139.1,5,4
Henry de Huntingdon Earl of Northumberland & Huntingdon died on 12 June 1152 at Kelso Abbey, Kelso, Roxburg, Scotland.9,1,5,4
Henry de Huntingdon Earl of Northumberland & Huntingdon was buried after 12 June 1152 at Kelso, Scotland.1,4
He was Earl of Huntingdon.10 GAV-23 EDV-22 GKJ-23. He was Earl of Northumberland.5
; Henry swore fealty to STEPHEN but subsequently fought against him under the Scottish banner, which may account for Simon de St Liz's son, another Simon, being recognised as Earl of Huntingdon before Henry's death in 1152. Thereafter the Earldom was more or less bounced back and forth between the de St Liz family and the Kings of Scotland, first being held 1157-65 by MALCOLM THE MAIDEN and (1165-74) his brother WILLIAM THE LION, then by a Simon de St Liz (grandson of the first Simon and son of the second) from 1174 to 1184.2,3
Henry de Huntingdon Earl of Northumberland & Huntingdon died on 12 June 1152 at Kelso Abbey, Kelso, Roxburg, Scotland.9,1,5,4
Henry de Huntingdon Earl of Northumberland & Huntingdon was buried after 12 June 1152 at Kelso, Scotland.1,4
He was Earl of Huntingdon.10 GAV-23 EDV-22 GKJ-23. He was Earl of Northumberland.5
; Henry swore fealty to STEPHEN but subsequently fought against him under the Scottish banner, which may account for Simon de St Liz's son, another Simon, being recognised as Earl of Huntingdon before Henry's death in 1152. Thereafter the Earldom was more or less bounced back and forth between the de St Liz family and the Kings of Scotland, first being held 1157-65 by MALCOLM THE MAIDEN and (1165-74) his brother WILLIAM THE LION, then by a Simon de St Liz (grandson of the first Simon and son of the second) from 1174 to 1184.2,3
Family | Ada de Warenne b. c 1120, d. 1178 |
Children |
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Citations
- [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), pp. 114-115, HUNTINGDON 4. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
- [S673] David Faris, Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth-Century Colonists: The Descent from the Later Plantagenet Kings of England, Henry III, Edward I, and Edward III, of Emigrants from England and Wales to the North American Colonies before 1701, English Ancestry Series, Volume 1, Second Edition (Boston, MA: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1999), p. 279. Hereinafter cited as Faris [1999] - Plantagenet Ancestry.
- [S1396] Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site, online http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp, Huntingdon Family Page. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage & Gentry Web Site.
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Dunkeld page (The House of Dunkeld): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brit/dunkeld.html
- [S1426] Jiri Louda (Tables) and Michael Maclagan (text), Lines of Succession: Heraldry of the Royal Families of Europe (New York, NY: Barnes & Noble Books, 2002), Table 12: Scotland: Kings until the accession of Robert Bruce. Hereinafter cited as Louda & Maclagan [2002] Lines of Succession.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00002908&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTLAND.htm#DavidIdied1153B. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Maud of Huntingdon: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00049982&tree=LEO
- [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 170-23, p. 148. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7. - [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis AR-7, line 119-27, p. 107.
- [S1896] Douglas Richardson, "Richardson email 22 June 2005: "Extended Pedigree of Counts of Boulogne-sur-Mer"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/44eb7V2WEXc/m/5ixO37yx3noJ) to e-mail address, 22 June 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Richardson email 22 June 2005."
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Aleida of Scotland: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00015380&tree=LEO
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTLAND.htm#Adadiedafter11Jan1205
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, William I 'the Lion': http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00002868&tree=LEO
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Dunkeld page (The House of Dunkeld): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brit/dunkeld.html
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, David: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027681&tree=LEO
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTLAND.htm#Daviddied1219
- [S2077] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 3 June 2006: "Re: Brittany was Re: William de Mohun's (d Oct 1193) ancestors," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 3 June 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 3 June 2006."
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bohun.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Margaret of Scotland: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00122052&tree=LEO
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTLAND.htm#Margaretdied1201
Ada de Warenne1,2
F, #4980, b. circa 1120, d. 1178
Father | William II de Warenne 2nd Earl of Surrey, 2nd Earl of Warenne3,2,4 b. bt 1069 - 1071, d. 11 May 1138 |
Mother | Isabelle/Elisabeth de Vermandois Countess of Leicester2,5 b. c 1081, d. 13 Feb 1131 |
Reference | GAV23 EDV22 |
Last Edited | 31 Jul 2020 |
Ada de Warenne was born circa 1120 at co. Surrey, England.2 She married Henry de Huntingdon Earl of Northumberland & Huntingdon, son of David I "The Saint" (?) King of Scots and Maude (Matilda) de Huntingdon Queen of the Scots, Countess of Huntingdon & Northumberland, in 1139.6,3,7
Ada de Warenne died in 1178.6,1,2
; Weis AR 93-25.8 GAV-23 EDV-22 GKJ-23.
Ada de Warenne died in 1178.6,1,2
; Weis AR 93-25.8 GAV-23 EDV-22 GKJ-23.
Family | Henry de Huntingdon Earl of Northumberland & Huntingdon b. 1114, d. 12 Jun 1152 |
Children |
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Citations
- [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans: Many of the English Ancestral Lines Prior to 1300 of those Colonial Americans with known Royal Ancestry but Fully Developed in all Possible Lines (PO Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333: Carl Boyer 3rd, 2001), p. 259, de WARENNE 3:ii. Hereinafter cited as Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors.
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, online http://genealogy.euweb.cz/index.html, unknown author (e-mail address), downloaded updated 15 May 2003, Warenne page (de Warenne family): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brit/warenne.html
- [S1426] Jiri Louda (Tables) and Michael Maclagan (text), Lines of Succession: Heraldry of the Royal Families of Europe (New York, NY: Barnes & Noble Books, 2002), Table 12: Scotland: Kings until the accession of Robert Bruce. Hereinafter cited as Louda & Maclagan [2002] Lines of Succession.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website (oiginated by Leo van de Pas, continued by Ian Fettes), online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, William de Warenne: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00015374&tree=LEO. Hereinafter cited as Genealogics Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Elisabeth de Vermandois: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00015375&tree=LEO
- [S757] Compiled by Carl Boyer 3rd, Boyer [2001] Med English Ancestors, pp. 114-115, HUNTINGDON 4.
- [S1438] Miroslav Marek, updated 15 May 2003, Dunkeld page (The House of Dunkeld): http://genealogy.euweb.cz/brit/dunkeld.html
- [S632] Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700: The Lineage of Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Some of Their Descendants, 7th edition (n.p.: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
Baltimore, 1992, unknown publish date), line 93-25, pp. 89-90. Hereinafter cited as Weis AR-7. - [S1896] Douglas Richardson, "Richardson email 22 June 2005: "Extended Pedigree of Counts of Boulogne-sur-Mer"," e-mail message from e-mail address (https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/44eb7V2WEXc/m/5ixO37yx3noJ) to e-mail address, 22 June 2005. Hereinafter cited as "Richardson email 22 June 2005."
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Aleida of Scotland: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00015380&tree=LEO
- [S2203] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG): MEDIEVAL LANDS - A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTLAND.htm#Adadiedafter11Jan1205. Hereinafter cited as FMG Medieval Lands Website.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, William I 'the Lion': http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00002868&tree=LEO
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, David: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027681&tree=LEO
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTLAND.htm#Daviddied1219
- [S2077] John P. Ravilious, "Ravilious email 3 June 2006: "Re: Brittany was Re: William de Mohun's (d Oct 1193) ancestors," e-mail message from e-mail address (unknown address) to e-mail address, 3 June 2006. Hereinafter cited as "Ravilious email 3 June 2006."
- [S2280] Racines et Histoire, online http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/LGN-frameset.html, http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Bohun.pdf, p. 2. Hereinafter cited as Racines et Histoire.
- [S1490] Genealogics Website, online http://www.genealogics.org/index.php, Margaret of Scotland: https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00122052&tree=LEO
- [S2203] FMG Medieval Lands Website, online http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTLAND.htm#Margaretdied1201